[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Saint Nicholas The Real St. Nick

Will Atheists in China Starve Due to No Fish to Eat?

A Thirteen State Solution for the Holy Land?

US Sends new Missle to a Pacific ally, angering China and Russia Moscow and Peoking

DeaTh noTice ... Freerepublic --- lasT Monday JR died

"‘We Are Not the Crazy Ones’: AOC Protests Too Much"

"Rep. Comer to Newsmax: No Evidence Biden Approved Autopen Use"

"Donald Trump Has Broken the Progressive Ratchet"

"America Must Slash Red Tape to Make Nuclear Power Great Again!!"

"Why the DemocRATZ Activist Class Couldn’t Celebrate the Cease-Fire They Demanded"

Antifa Calls for CIVIL WAR!

British Police Make an Arrest...of a White Child Fishing in the Thames

"Sanctuary" Horde ASSAULTS Chicago... ELITE Marines SMASH Illegals Without Mercy

Trump hosts roundtable on ANTIFA

What's happening in Britain. Is happening in Ireland. The whole of Western Europe.

"The One About the Illegal Immigrant School Superintendent"

CouldnÂ’t believe he let me pet him at the end (Rhino)

Cops Go HANDS ON For Speaking At Meeting!

POWERFUL: Charlie Kirk's final speech delivered in South Korea 9/6/25

2026 in Bible Prophecy

2.4 Billion exposed to excessive heat

🔴 LIVE CHICAGO PORTLAND ICE IMMIGRATION DETENTION CENTER 24/7 PROTEST 9/28/2025

Young Conservative Proves Leftist Protesters Wrong

England is on the Brink of Civil War!

Charlie Kirk Shocks Florida State University With The TRUTH

IRL Confronting Protesters Outside UN Trump Meeting

The UK Revolution Has Started... Brit's Want Their Country Back

Inside Paris Dangerous ANTIFA Riots

Rioters STORM Chicago ICE HQ... "Deportation Unit" SCRAPES Invaders Off The Sidewalk

She Decoded A Specific Part In The Bible

Muslim College Student DUMBFOUNDED as Charlie Kirk Lists The Facts About Hamas

Charlie Kirk EVISCERATES Black Students After They OPENLY Support “Anti-White Racism” HEATED DEBATE

"Trump Rips U.N. as Useless During General Assembly Address: ‘Empty Words’"

Charlie Kirk VS the Wokies at University of Tennessee

Charlie Kirk Takes on 3 Professors & a Teacher

British leftist student tells Charlie Kirk facts are unfair

The 2 Billion View Video: Charlie Kirk's Most Viewed Clips of 2024

Antifa is now officially a terrorist organization.

The Greatness of Charlie Kirk: An Eyewitness Account of His Life and Martyrdom

Charlie Kirk Takes on Army of Libs at California's UCR

DR. ALVEDA KING: REST IN PEACE CHARLIE KIRK

Steven Bonnell wants to murder Americans he disagrees with

What the fagots LGBTQ really means

I watched Charlie Kirk get assassinated. This is my experience.

Elon Musk Delivers Stunning Remarks At Historic UK March (Tommy Robinson)

"Transcript: Mrs. Erika Kirk Delivers Public Address: ‘His Movement Will Go On’"

"Victor Davis Hanson to Newsmax: Kirk Slaying Crosses Rubicon"

Rest In Peace Charlie Kirk

Charlotte train murder: Graphic video captures random fatal stabbing of young Ukrainian refugee

Berlin in July 1945 - Probably the best restored film material you'll watch from that time!


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

United States News
See other United States News Articles

Title: Leaked White House Memo Advises Democrats on How to Spin Obamacare
Source: theweeklystandard.com
URL Source: http://www.theweeklystandard.com/bl ... s-democrats-how-spin-obamacare
Published: Aug 21, 2010
Author: BY Jeffrey H. Anderson
Post Date: 2010-08-21 16:09:23 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Obamacare, health care
Views: 100095
Comments: 135

Politico has released a piece that begins as follows: "Key White House allies are dramatically shifting their attempts to defend health care legislation, abandoning claims that it will reduce costs and deficit, and instead stressing a promise to 'improve it.'" This is a truly remarkable sentence. Legislation that the Congressional Budget Office says would cost about $2.5 trillion in its real first decade (2014 to 2023) wouldn't do the one thing that Americans most want out of health-care legislation: cut health care costs. It wouldn't, despite the administration's repeated claims to the contrary, cut deficits. But, on the bright side, it can (allegedly) be improved. That's an amazingly tepid claim to make on behalf of something with Obamacare's price tag.

The truth is that Obamacare cannot be improved. It can only be repealed. It was passed as "comprehensive legislation," and it must be repealed comprehensively.

The vast majority of Americans recognize this. Rasmussen's latest survey of likely voters shows Americans favoring repeal by the overwhelming tally of 60 to 36 percent. This 24-point margin is Rasmussen's 2nd-highest in the 21 polls it has conducted in the five months since passage, despite, as Politico puts it, "the White House's all-out communications effort" in the interim – much of it at taxpayer expense.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 128.

#2. To: WhiteSands (#0)

Spin. Notice that **NOTHING** is up-front and honest about the Democrats. Everything is "spun" and obfuscated.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   17:03:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#2)

You believe that the GOP is straight forward and honest?

war  posted on  2010-08-21   17:13:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war (#3)

You believe that the GOP is straight forward and honest?

SO you're "Okay" with the spin. No stand-up fight here. No "Be proud you voted for Obamacare." Try and spin it! Spinning it btw is just more obfuscation and misdirection.

Don't talk about Obamacare "saving money!". It won't. We now all know that is a lie. A big, fat, fucking lie.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   17:23:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)

I don't vote for republicans OR democrats for POTUS.

But republicans SUCK. They are the worst liars and spinners in Politics.

war  posted on  2010-08-21   17:26:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#5)

I don't vote for republicans OR democrats for POTUS.

But republicans SUCK. They are the worst liars and spinners in Politics.

Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes.

Your credibility just took another hit War.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   18:50:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar, war (#6)

Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes.

Your credibility just took another hit War.

BUSTED.

War has no compunction about lying and mischaracterizations. It's like breathing. ALL liberals and Leftists justify their BS when it suits their agenda.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-22   12:06:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator, Nebuchadnezzar, war (#15)

Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes. Your credibility just took another hit War.

war is a real trip. He takes statist, leftist shilling to a new level.

I think he believes that there is something inherently different about republicans. Some defect in their DNA, perhaps?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-22   13:29:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ignore Amos (#16) (Edited)

I think he believes that there is something inherently different about republicans. Some defect in their DNA, perhaps?

When George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are whom you've presented and are presenting as a solution to the problem, I'd say it's just plain mental retardation - at a functional level.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   13:36:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#17)

George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are whom you've presented and are presenting as a solution to the problem . . .

Is Alvin Greene a republican?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-22   13:53:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ignore Amos (#18)

He's running for POTUS?

war  posted on  2010-08-22   13:58:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#19)

He's running for POTUS?

Nope. Neither is Bush or Palin. One is disqualified by the Constitution, the other by herself and the so called "intelligentsia".

Now that we've gotten your obfuscation out of the way, I'll repeat the question: is Alvin Greene a republican? (since you seem to be of the mindset that only republicans are terrible (i.e. suck))

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-22   14:18:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ignore Amos (#20)

Now that we've gotten your obfuscation out of the way

Mine?

Green would be one of 100.

YOU voted for the Boy Blunder and, I suspect, would vote for Palin were she the nominee.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   14:21:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#21)

YOU voted for the Boy Blunder
Yep - guilty on that one. Lesser of two evils and all that. 2004 will be the last time that happens - if I can't vote FOR someone, the ballot will remain blank.
and, I suspect, would vote for Palin were she the nominee.
She won't be, so I'll never have the choice.

But - unlike you - I'm not waiting for a coming political messiah. I realize that all politicians have faults, say stupid things, and do stupid things like mis-spell potato and give a Howard Dean screech. I'm not going to let the statist media decide for me.

Bottom line: when candidates propose returning to a Constitutional gov't, I'll support them. When they don't, I won't.

Simple as that.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-23   7:48:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ignore Amos (#24) (Edited)

Yep - guilty on that one. Lesser of two evils and all that. 2004 will be the last time that happens

Chuckles...you sit there and lecture me - I haven't voted for a major party candidate for POTUS since 1988 and have voted for less than five major party candidates for national office over the same period - and you had a chance to pick a smart guy over a dumb one and you opted for dumb.

Remind me again why I should take you seriously?

war  posted on  2010-08-23   8:04:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#25)

you had a chance to pick a smart guy over a dumb one and you opted for dumb.

You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?

Remind me again why I should take YOU seriously.

Wake me up when you can get past your mindless "democrats good, republicans bad" fairytales.

'til then, you're not worthy of a serious discussion.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-23   8:24:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ignore Amos (#26) (Edited)

You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?

Yes, they are.

But the point is, on just a relative basis they are on a knowledge plain light years ahead of Boy Blunder. The debates should have showed you that.

You voted for a fucking dunce.

war  posted on  2010-08-23   8:49:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#27)

You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?

Yes, they are

Look - you're a statist, which is perfectly within your rights. If you want to argue the statism of a Gore or a Kerry as opposed to the statism of Bush, that's fine.

Go ahead and support whatever statist candidate floats your boat. (as long as he/she has a D after their name, that is.)

But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.

Arguing their "intelligence" against Bush's is like arguing the intelligence of Moe vs. Larry vs. Curly.

In the end, they're all stooges.

If they had any smarts or integrity, they'd be in another line of work.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-23   9:27:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ignore Amos (#28)

But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.

Compared to Bush they were. Again, the debates clearly showed what a dunce Bush was next to those two. Kerry absolutely wiped the floor with Bush and it's why the race ended up as close as it did.

Gore...the press and Freepers were more interested in reporting HOW he spoke...his makeup...his off camera reactions than in anything he said. Meanwhile, when Bush babbled incoherently the press simply reportred he did "as expected". We expected a candidate to babble incoherently and he met thos expectations?!?

war  posted on  2010-08-25   10:55:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war, sneakypete (#31)

But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.

Compared to Bush they were.

Let's be generous and give both of us the benefit of the doubt. I want what's best for the country, as I assume you do, too. What is obvious is that my idea of "best for the country" differs substantially from yours.

We're likely never to agree on that.

What we MIGHT be able to agree on is that discussions like "who is the smarter candidate" miss the larger point. Because if I tend to agree with a candidate's stand on the issues that I care about, I'm likely to overlook his/her shortcomings. I suspect you do the same with candidates with whom you agree.

The larger point (to me) is this: Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates?

Bush was the BEST candidate to represent the "conservative" point of view??? Give me a freaking break - he's about as conservative as John McClown. Likewise, Kerry and Gore were flawed as well.

The system is broken and has been for quite a long time. sneakypete responded to a point I made about politics becoming a cult of personality (rather than a discussion of policies or issues).

Perhaps that is by design, and "we the people" should take it back and demand better.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   8:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ignore Amos (#32)

Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates?

Bush was the BEST candidate to represent the "conservative" point of view??? Give me a freaking break - he's about as conservative as John McClown. Likewise, Kerry and Gore were flawed as well.

How many, of those who are qualified, are willing to go through the political shredder? Endless fund raising, microscopic scrutiny, and death threats don't appeal to everyone.

If they ain't flawed enough on their own, the political process will manufacture fatal flaws to pin on them. Example: Obama is a Muslim.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   8:52:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

How many, of those who are qualified, are willing to go through the political shredder? Endless fund raising, microscopic scrutiny, and death threats don't appeal to everyone.

If they ain't flawed enough on their own, the political process will manufacture fatal flaws to pin on them. Example: Obama is a Muslim.

You make some excellent points.

My only question to you is this: is the fact that there is a perception out there that "Obama is a Muslim" solely due to the "political process"?

Or does Obama himself bear some of the blame for the perception?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   9:04:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ignore Amos (#37)

My only question to you is this: is the fact that there is a perception out there that "Obama is a Muslim" solely due to the "political process"?

Or does Obama himself bear some of the blame for the perception?

Certainly Obama does not have any responsibility for what religion his father was born into (and chose not to practice).

IMHO, Obama has very little to do with that perception - its that microscopic and selective scrutiny thing. It ignores stuff like he was married in a church, his children were baptized, and his wife has exposed arms, shoulders, cleavage, legs, knees - publicly and often.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   9:55:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#42)

It ignores stuff like he was married in a church, his children were baptized, and his wife has exposed arms, shoulders, cleavage, legs, knees - publicly and often.

Some of this I attribute to the "dog days of August". Slow news and all.

That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian."

Now, being human, I'll admit to raising eyebrows or shaking my head at some of what Zero has DONE. But I don't believe it's my place to make a declarative statement "he's not a Christian" when he says he is one.

If he is, he does (by definition) come under the Lordship of Christ. So we're to leave it to Christ to make the final determination.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   10:35:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ignore Amos (#45)

That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian."

Of course it is God who knows.

But when Jesus said he is the ONLY way and NOONE comes to God except through him.

And you have Obama calling the Koran "holy". It is a pretty gigantic clue.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-26   21:59:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#69)

So, if someone yells "holy mackerel", does that mean they worship fish?

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-08-27   12:09:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Bartcoprules (#91)

So, if someone yells "holy mackerel", does that mean they worship fish?

Holy shit!!!

war  posted on  2010-08-27   12:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: war, Bartcoprules (#92)

Holy shit!!!

Robin worshipped quite a lot, didn't he?

meguro  posted on  2010-08-27   20:36:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: meguro (#127)

{;^D

war  posted on  2010-08-27   21:06:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 128.

        There are no replies to Comment # 128.


End Trace Mode for Comment # 128.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com