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Title: Nearly 50 percent leave Obama mortgage-aid program (EPIC FAIL OF OBAMA PROGRAM-OUR GRANDCHILDREN STOLEN FROM, AGAIN)
Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9HNEND00&show_artic
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9HNEND00&show_article=1
Published: Aug 21, 2010
Author: MARTIN CRUTSINGER
Post Date: 2010-08-21 15:24:10 by Nebuchadnezzar
Keywords: None
Views: 12782
Comments: 27

Nearly 50 percent leave Obama mortgage-aid program Aug 20 04:55 PM US/Eastern By MARTIN CRUTSINGER AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Nearly half of the 1.3 million homeowners who enrolled in the Obama administration's flagship mortgage-relief program have fallen out.

The program is intended to help those at risk of foreclosure by lowering their monthly mortgage payments. Friday's report from the Treasury Department suggests the $75 billion government effort is failing to slow the tide of foreclosures in the United States, economists say.

More than 2.3 million homes have fallen into foreclosure since the recession began in December 2007, according to foreclosure listing service RealtyTrac Inc. Economists expect the number of foreclosures to grow well into next year.

"The government program as currently structured is petering out. It is taking in fewer homeowners, more are dropping out and fewer people are ending up in permanent modifications," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.

Besides forcing people from their homes, foreclosures and distressed home sales have pushed down on home values and crippled the broader housing industry. They have made it difficult for homebuilders to compete with the depressed prices and discouraged potential sellers from putting their homes on the market.

Approximately 630,000 people who had tried to get their monthly mortgage payments lowered through the government program have been cut loose through July, according to the Treasury report. That's about 48 percent of the those who had enrolled since March 2009. And it is up from more than 40 percent through June.

Another 421,804, or roughly 32 percent of those who started the program, have received permanent loan modifications and are making their payments on time.

RealtyTrac reported that the number of U.S. homes lost to foreclosure surged in July to 92,858 properties, up 9 percent from June. The pace of repossessions has been increasing and the nation is now on track to having more than 1 million homes lost to foreclosure by the end of the year. That would eclipse the more than 900,000 homes repossessed in 2009, the firm says.

Lenders have historically taken over about 100,000 homes a year, according to RealtyTrac.

Zandi said the government effort will likely end up helping only about 500,000 homeowners lower their monthly payments on a permanent basis. That's a small percentage of the number of people who have already lost their homes to foreclosure or distressed sales like short sales—when lenders let homeowners sell for less than they owe on their mortgages.

Zandi predicts another 1.5 million foreclosures or short sales in 2011.

"We still have a lot more foreclosures to come and further home price declines," Zandi said. He said home prices, which have already fallen 30 percent since the peak of the housing boom, would drop by another 5 percent by next spring.

Many borrowers have complained that the government program is a bureaucratic nightmare. They say banks often lose their documents and then claim borrowers did not send back the necessary paperwork.

The banking industry said borrowers weren't sending back their paperwork. They also have accused the Obama administration of initially pressuring them to sign up borrowers without insisting first on proof of their income. When banks later moved to collect the information, many troubled homeowners were disqualified or dropped out.

Obama officials dispute that they pressured banks. They have defended the program, saying lenders are making more significant cuts to borrowers' monthly payments than before the program was launched. And some of the largest mortgage companies in the program have offered alternative programs to those who fell out.

Homeowners who qualify can receive an interest rate as low as 2 percent for five years and a longer repayment period. Those who have successfully navigated the program to reach permanent modifications have seen their monthly payments cut on average by about $500.

Homeowners first receive temporary modifications and those are supposed to become permanent after borrowers make three payments on time and complete all the required paperwork. That includes proof of income and a letter explaining the reason for their troubles. But in practice, the process has taken far longer.

The more than 100 participating mortgage companies get taxpayer incentives to reduce payments. As of mid-June only $490 million had been spent out of a potential $75 billion the government has made available to help stem the wave of foreclosures.


Poster Comment: Well, there is another $75,000,000,000.00 down the drain. Ah, but who cares? We'll just have future generations pick up the tab for our stupidity!

Obama is such a moron.

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#1. To: All, War (#0)

For some strange reason War you haven't commented on this thread.

Hmmm....very strange.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   17:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

I've been traveling all day, dick.

war  posted on  2010-08-21   17:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#2)

I've been traveling all day, dick.

Leaked White House Memo Advises Democrats on How to Spin Obamacare (#3) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2010-08-21 17:13:01 From: war To: Nebuchadnezzar

Well, you took your sweet time getting here. Let's face it, you don't show up for the bad-news threads, the threads that make you look like a bigger fool than you have been and that's saying something, unless you're pinged.

Also, lay off the name-calling.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   18:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war (#2)

I've been traveling all day, dick.

Also, your failure to comment on this topic is duely noted.

If you can't stand up for your man Obama when he continually fucks up, perhaps you should leave Liberty's Flame.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   18:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4) (Edited)

You don't dictate when, how and on what topic I post, dick.

This "issue" is about as interesting to me as both your sex life and the resultant carpal tunnel syndrome are.

There are 5 posts on this thread and only two people discussing not the issue but posting habits.

Seems as if everyone agrees with me.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   8:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#5)

You don't dictate when, how and on what topic I post, dick.

Ah, you really are cranky. You keep calling me names. Man I must really be getting under your skin.

Is the heat getting to you?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-22   9:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#5)

Seems as if everyone agrees with me.

I understand you're being upset with neb, but do you think this is cyclical?

That something that broke 2+ years ago has been fixed?

Just curious.

James

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   9:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#6)

Huh?

war  posted on  2010-08-22   9:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: War, Nebuchadnezzar (#6)

Title: Revealing the racial makeup of California's foreclosures (The truth hurts liberals) Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/kalw/detail?entry_id=704 URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/kalw/detail?entry_id=70480 Published: Aug 22, 2010 Author: Hana Baba Post Date: 2010-08-22 09:29:06 by Nebuchadnezzar Keywords: None

Like this is stupid.

The US just ran out of 'eligible' ponzi victims.

All Ponzi's require an Unlimited Pool of Greater Fools. And there's no such thing.

And All $25 Trillion in Bail Outs have gone to the Top 50 000/10%.

It's Free Markets for the Poor. Socialism for the Rich.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   9:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mcgowanjm (#7) (Edited)

I've been walking my sister in law through the process which has been a pain in the ass because she's in California. Part of the problem is that the bank keeps shuffling her paperwork from one loan "officer" to another. This means at every turn the person has needed to get up to speed...multiply that by the number of people doing this. Before I offered to help, she was just going to say "Fuck it".

But to answer your question, we are nowhere near a bottom in housing in several geographic areas and the problem started, as far as I can tell, back in 2002/03 when developers were gobbling up tracts of land and building hoping that people would show up. So, no, this isn't cyclical, this is a classic bubble.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   9:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#10)

I've been walking my sister in law through the process which has been a pain in the ass because she's in California. Part of the problem is that the bank keeps shuffling her paperwork from one loan "officer" to another. This means at every turn the person has needed to get up to speed...multiply that by the number of people doing this. Before I offered to help, she was just going to say "Fuck it".

You realize that at the end your sister will then have a 'recourse' loan.

Walk Away and BK will not be possible.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   9:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war, All (#11)

Thus, non-recourse debt is typically limited to 50% or 60% loan-to-value ratios, so that the property itself provides "overcollateralization" of the loan.

But your Sis-in-Law is more than likely underwater, yes? Especially if she bought in 2002. OR even.

So it seems the only problem from a WalkAway would be her credit.

Shift in psychology

It is interesting to see that banks were betting on typical Americans being naïve and honoring their debts while they were able to work out special deals with our government for massive transfers of bailout funds. Banks assumed that it would be okay for them to renege on their promise and loyalty to customers while struggling Americans would not only bail them out, but also continue paying on debt that was secured by assets that were inflated from the bubble. The psychology didn’t hold up and in fact, many Americans are taking their lead from banks and are acting just as calculating. Extend and pretend seems to be the new paradigm:

http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/southern-california-home-sales-collapse-by-21-percent-year-over-year-real-estate-tanks-simultaneously-with-ending-of-government-artificial-market-intervention/#more-3599

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   10:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

And if your Sis in Law has a HELOC?

The bank will never let her out.

Foreclosure data on home that was picked up for $120,000 but had a second mortgage of $1.2 million.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   10:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

Yes...but their are business reasons why she is not going to walk away. Putting family aside, it's why I stepped in.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   10:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

No...she's okay...we've gotten the principle reduced and the terms are set. They just love doing loan officer musical chairs and the feds love coming out with forms to replace the other forms.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   10:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#14)

Your bizness or hers? ;}

Look, I don't want to pry but I'm from E Arkansas/Memphis.

Where we invented Chapter 13. 8D

Try a Homestead Exemption Act?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   10:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#15)

No...she's okay...we've gotten the principle reduced and the terms are set. They just love doing loan officer musical chairs and the feds love coming out with forms to replace the other forms.

Nice, having family. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   10:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

Homestead Act

Funny you asked that. The condo's are built on lease hold and even though that expires in 40 years, in CA you can't claim that exemption unless you own the property.

Or so we were told.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   10:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mcgowanjm (#17)

Nice, having family. 8D

It's 99% of the my life bro...

war  posted on  2010-08-22   10:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#18)

Funny you asked that. The condo's are built on lease hold and even though that expires in 40 years, in CA you can't claim that exemption unless you own the property.

See, I can't understand that. Someone went out of their way to remove that aspect of property.

Once that happened you were basically being told, 'not an owner'.

Be interesting to see who owns the mineral rights underneath your condos. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   10:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#20)

Exactly when the Depression started:

“(Sunshine Review) Nevada relies heavily on gaming income for state revenue; 53% of the state’s gambling income comes from the Las Vegas Strip. November 200982;s state gaming report for September 2009 showed 21 consecutive months of declines. Nevada News Bureau reports, “State Budget Director Andrew Clinger had no real comment on the gaming report, saying other tax reports due by the end of the month, including taxable sales, will be examined before a decision is made on whether a special session of the Legislature is needed to keep the current budget in balance.”

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-22   10:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mcgowanjm (#20)

I never read her original title. But I am sure that she does not.

Beyond the Sea, at LP, once told me that he and his brothers were snapping up NG leases in the Pittsburgh area. i actually had that idea about 20 years ago when oil tanked. Mineral leases on most land were owned in perpetuity by someone/thing other than the land holder.

That's how I knew he was full of shit.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   11:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#22)

In summary, at its peak, at 14:45:55 on May 6, the latency between the CQS and OpenBook pricing hit a high of 24 seconds, making a mockery of the NBBO as all those who had premium access to OpenBook were all too aware that 99% of the investing public were seeing pricing data almost half a minute stale, and could trade accordingly on secondary "dark" venues. At the time we were disgusted with the implications this phenomenon had on the NBBO, as this was nothing less than a full-blown NBBO arbitrage opportunity for the haves vs the have nots. Yet today Nanex takes this observation, and our collective blood pressure, to a whole new level, by not only confirming that there is in fact a trigger threshold in terms of quote saturation which immediately causes a latency arbitrage between the CQS and OpenBook, but closes the circle on the ongoing constant presentation of mysterious "crop circle" quote stuffing data. In essence, what Nanex' data implies is that HFTs can create latency arbitrage on demand between the NYSE pricing data dissemination to the CQS, but not to NYSE's own proprietary product, OpenBook, by pushing the consolidated NYSE quote rate beyond a magic number of 20,000/second. This immediately begs the question: just how much of the NYT's as defined "conspiracy theory" for an "on demand" Flash Crash is theory and how much is fact, if the cause and effect of the May 6 events have been inverted, and the NYSE's Liquidity Replenishment Points failed only as a result of HFT quote bombardment. -zerohedge

Cause of Flash Crash.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-23   10:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#23)

I was kicked off the Oil Drum for stating the mere existence of the Plunge Protection Team: LMFAO

If confirmed, this is a stunner, as there is no reason why the NYSE should delay data hitting one data stream, the CQS, but not its own premium product, OpenBook - this would mean there is a gating factor that is essentially imposed artificially for the plebes (and the bulk of investors) who use the commodity CQS tape. It would also open up questions as to how often this form of borderline illegal arbitrage occurs on a daily basis on the NYSE: if all it takes is for the HFT participants to bombard the exchange with a few thousand extra quotes (as in "stuffing" the exchange) that have no intention of being traded on, but merely serve to choke the NYSE-CQS pricing translation system, then nobody can have any faith in anything coming out of the biggest public exchange. We can not wait to get the NYSE's, and most certainly the SEC's, explanation for this surprising, and even more market credibility destroying, phenomenon.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-23   10:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#24)

we're so fucked. just sayin. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-23   10:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#25)

This is huge, or Fascism is here now in all it's glory:

Instead of looking at the quote rate for just GE, we decided to plot the quote rate for all stocks that NYSE sends to CQS. In other words, we plotted the sum total number of quotes where the listed exchange and reporting exchange are NYSE. This is plotted in Chart 3, which has the same time interval as Chart 2.

You can see that there is a very strong correlation between the quote rate in Chart 3, and the delay in Chart 2. Whenever the quote rate in Chart 3 exceeds 20,000/second, a corresponding delay is seen in Chart 2. The higher or longer the quote rate exceeds 20,000/second, the greater the delay.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-23   10:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#26)

Then something very disturbing dawned on us. If the average or base quote rate is around 10,000/second, then it only takes an additional 10,000 quotes/second to reach the magic 20,000 quotes/seconds where a corresponding delay is seen in CQS. This 10,000 quotes/second can be in any stock or combination of stocks that NYSE sends quotes to CQS for.

Chart 2

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by Racer on Mon, 08/23/2010 - 08:45 #537381

I hope this brings about a complete failure of the market as the HFTs find no suckers to sell to because humans see no reason to participate in this rigged casino."

Which is what I've been sayin' since Mar 09. At some point there's ONLY the HFT/Flash(24 secs, not so Flash;} Quote and the US Treasury.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-23   10:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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