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Title: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment
Source: AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_saudi_justice
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: SALAH NASRAWI Associated Press Writer Sa
Post Date: 2010-08-19 20:55:37 by A K A Stone
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CAIRO – A Saudi judge has asked several hospitals in the country whether they could damage a man's spinal cord as punishment after he was convicted of attacking another man with a cleaver and paralyzing him, the brother of the victim said Thursday.

Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22, was left paralyzed and subsequently lost a foot after a fight more than two years ago. He asked a judge in northwestern Tabuk province to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law, his brother Khaled al-Mutairi told The Associated Press by telephone from there.

He said one of the hospitals, located in Tabuk, responded that it is possible to damage the spinal cord, but it added that the operation would have to be done at another more specialized facility. Saudi newspapers reported that a second hospital in the capital Riyadh declined, saying it could not inflict such harm.

Administrative offices of two of the hospitals and the court in Tabuk were closed for the Saudi weekend beginning Thursday and could not be reached for comment.

A copy of the medical report from the King Khaled Hospital in Tabuk province obtained by the AP said the same injury al-Mutairi suffers from can be inflicted on his attacker using a nerve stimulant, and inducing the same injuries in the same locations. The report was dated six months ago.

Saudi Arabia enforces strict Islamic law and occasionally doles out punishments based on the ancient legal code of an eye-for-an-eye. However, King Abdullah has been trying to clamp down on extremist ideology, including unauthorized clerics issuing odd religious decrees.

The query by the court, among the most unusual and extreme to have been made public in the kingdom, highlights the delicate attempt in Saudi Arabia to balance a push to modernize the country with interpretations of religious traditions that critics say are out of sync with a modern society.

The Saudi newspaper Okaz identified the judge as Saoud bin Suleiman al-Youssef.

The brother said the judge asked at least two hospitals for a medical opinion on whether surgeons could render the attacker's spinal cord nonfunctional. He and Saudi newspaper reports did not identify the attacker

Khaled al-Mutairi, 27, said the assailant was sentenced to 14 months in prison for the attack that paralyzed his younger brother, but he was released after seven months in an amnesty. He said the attacker then got a job as a school teacher .

"We are asking for our legal right under Islamic law," the brother said. "There is no better word than God's word — an eye for an eye."

A Saudi newspaper Okaz reported that a leading hospital in Riyadh — King Faisal Specialist Hospital — responded that it could not do the operation. It quoted a letter from the hospital saying "inflicting such harm is not possible," apparently refusing on ethical grounds.

Islamic law applied in Saudi Arabia allows defendants to ask for a similar punishment for harms inflicted on them. Cutting off the hands of thieves, for example, is common.

Under the law, the victim can receive a blood money to settle the case.

Khaled al-Mutairi said his family is not interested in blood money, and would be ready to send the attacker abroad to perform the operation if it were not possible in the kingdom.

Human rights group say trials in Saudi Arabia fall far below international standards. They usually take place behind closed doors and without adequate legal representation.

Those who are sentenced to death are often not informed of the progress of legal proceedings against them or of the date of execution until the morning on which they are taken out and beheaded.

Crucifying the headless body in a public place is a way to set an example, according to the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.

Amnesty International expressed concerns over the reports and said the rights group was contacting Saudi authorities for details.

"We are very concerned and we will appeal to the authorities not to carry out such a punishment," said Lamri Chirouf, the group's researcher on Saudi Arabia. Such measures are against international conventions against torture and international standards on human rights.

Chirouf said this was the first time Amnesty had heard of a punishment involving the damaging of a spinal cord.

"But it's hard to follow details of the Saudi justice system. People are sentenced in closed trials with no access to the public and no lawyers," he said.

According to Amnesty, in 2005, a convict in the kingdom had his teeth pulled out by a dentist because he had smashed another man's teeth out in a fight.

"We have also had cases of people sentenced to blindness because they have caused the blindness of another person," Chirouf said. "But never anything involving a spinal cord."

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Typical Muslim response.

Obama's a Muslim also.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   21:14:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

Typical Muslim response

Sounds like just an 'eye for an eye'. Isn't that in the Christian bible too?

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   12:26:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: mininggold (#2)

Sounds like just an 'eye for an eye'. Isn't that in the Christian bible too?

It sure is. Take a look at the required punishments in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

Since, as Stone says, the bible is 100% the word of god, we should be applying these punishments as god intended.

I'm sure that once the Evangeliban takes power in the US, we will.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-21   12:47:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Skip Intro (#3)

Since, as Stone says, the bible is 100% the word of god...

He and Goldi are two nutcase moderators. At least aka loser is a more tolerant one wrt bannings.

Maybe he could institute that shunning thing here.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-21   12:54:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#4) (Edited)

At least aka loser is a more tolerant one wrt bannings.

I've been looking at the nearby hills for over forty years yet I see little evidence of them either growing or reducing in size except when someone decides to bulldoze them into submission. Wouldn't you think if the earth was so young we would still be seeing massive changes occurring over our own lifetimes?

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   14:41:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold (#6)

I've been looking at the nearby hills for over forty years yet I see little evidence of them either growing or reducing in size except when someone decides to bulldoze them into submission. Wouldn't you think if the earth was so young we would be seeing massive changes occurring over our own lifetimes?

No, because according to Stone everything major happened during the flood, then stopped.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-21   14:45:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Skip Intro (#7)

No, because according to Stone everything major happened during the flood, then stopped.

I guess those earthquakes are just imaginary figments then.

I was alway curious where that fresh (I'm guessing it was fresh because a dead one wouldn't have proven a thing) olive branch came from that the bird brought Noah. Olive trees hate for their roots to be water logged for even a short time and will die very quickly.

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   14:53:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#8)

I was alway curious where that fresh (I'm guessing it was fresh because a dead one wouldn't have proven a thing) olive branch came from that the bird brought Noah.

Obviously god handed the branch to the bird. What I don't understand is where that five mile layer of water that covered the earth went.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-21   14:58:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Skip Intro (#9)

The water is in the ocean.

God caused the mountains to form and the earths plates to shift. Note also in Genesis it says after the flood the earth was altered or changed and it wasn't the same anymore. Fountains of the deep were opened. Floodgates of Heaven were opened, possibly a reference to the water above the firmament.

Then This if you're really interested in the truth.

Psalms Back to previous chapterNext chapter Bible Study HOME Word search Other translations of this chapter: NASV / NKJV / NIV Chapter 104

1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.

2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

10 He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.

11 They give drink to every beast of the field: the wild asses quench their thirst.

12 By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

13 He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.

14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

16 The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;

17 Where the birds make their nests: as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.

18 The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats; and the rocks for the conies.

19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.

21 The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God.

22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.

23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.

24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.

25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.

26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.

28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good.

29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

31 The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works.

32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.

33 I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.

34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.

35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#14)

So where did all the water come from and where did it go? We're talking about enough water here to increase the diameter of the earth by 8 to 10 miles.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   17:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Skip Intro (#20)

Read the Psalm I just gave you. The anwer is there.

There was no rain on the earth before the flood. Did you know that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:40:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#22)

There was no rain on the earth before the flood.

Sure there wasn't. The garden of eden just grew without water.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   19:56:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Skip Intro (#29)

There was no rain on the earth before the flood.

Sure there wasn't. The garden of eden just grew without water.

They were watered with natural springs. You don't know much.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   20:00:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Where did the water from the "natural" springs come from? How about outside the garden? Where did the water for crops come from there?

Can you tell me anyplace in the world where people grow crops with no rain?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22 20:04:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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