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Title: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment
Source: AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_saudi_justice
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: SALAH NASRAWI Associated Press Writer Sa
Post Date: 2010-08-19 20:55:37 by A K A Stone
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CAIRO – A Saudi judge has asked several hospitals in the country whether they could damage a man's spinal cord as punishment after he was convicted of attacking another man with a cleaver and paralyzing him, the brother of the victim said Thursday.

Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22, was left paralyzed and subsequently lost a foot after a fight more than two years ago. He asked a judge in northwestern Tabuk province to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law, his brother Khaled al-Mutairi told The Associated Press by telephone from there.

He said one of the hospitals, located in Tabuk, responded that it is possible to damage the spinal cord, but it added that the operation would have to be done at another more specialized facility. Saudi newspapers reported that a second hospital in the capital Riyadh declined, saying it could not inflict such harm.

Administrative offices of two of the hospitals and the court in Tabuk were closed for the Saudi weekend beginning Thursday and could not be reached for comment.

A copy of the medical report from the King Khaled Hospital in Tabuk province obtained by the AP said the same injury al-Mutairi suffers from can be inflicted on his attacker using a nerve stimulant, and inducing the same injuries in the same locations. The report was dated six months ago.

Saudi Arabia enforces strict Islamic law and occasionally doles out punishments based on the ancient legal code of an eye-for-an-eye. However, King Abdullah has been trying to clamp down on extremist ideology, including unauthorized clerics issuing odd religious decrees.

The query by the court, among the most unusual and extreme to have been made public in the kingdom, highlights the delicate attempt in Saudi Arabia to balance a push to modernize the country with interpretations of religious traditions that critics say are out of sync with a modern society.

The Saudi newspaper Okaz identified the judge as Saoud bin Suleiman al-Youssef.

The brother said the judge asked at least two hospitals for a medical opinion on whether surgeons could render the attacker's spinal cord nonfunctional. He and Saudi newspaper reports did not identify the attacker

Khaled al-Mutairi, 27, said the assailant was sentenced to 14 months in prison for the attack that paralyzed his younger brother, but he was released after seven months in an amnesty. He said the attacker then got a job as a school teacher .

"We are asking for our legal right under Islamic law," the brother said. "There is no better word than God's word — an eye for an eye."

A Saudi newspaper Okaz reported that a leading hospital in Riyadh — King Faisal Specialist Hospital — responded that it could not do the operation. It quoted a letter from the hospital saying "inflicting such harm is not possible," apparently refusing on ethical grounds.

Islamic law applied in Saudi Arabia allows defendants to ask for a similar punishment for harms inflicted on them. Cutting off the hands of thieves, for example, is common.

Under the law, the victim can receive a blood money to settle the case.

Khaled al-Mutairi said his family is not interested in blood money, and would be ready to send the attacker abroad to perform the operation if it were not possible in the kingdom.

Human rights group say trials in Saudi Arabia fall far below international standards. They usually take place behind closed doors and without adequate legal representation.

Those who are sentenced to death are often not informed of the progress of legal proceedings against them or of the date of execution until the morning on which they are taken out and beheaded.

Crucifying the headless body in a public place is a way to set an example, according to the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.

Amnesty International expressed concerns over the reports and said the rights group was contacting Saudi authorities for details.

"We are very concerned and we will appeal to the authorities not to carry out such a punishment," said Lamri Chirouf, the group's researcher on Saudi Arabia. Such measures are against international conventions against torture and international standards on human rights.

Chirouf said this was the first time Amnesty had heard of a punishment involving the damaging of a spinal cord.

"But it's hard to follow details of the Saudi justice system. People are sentenced in closed trials with no access to the public and no lawyers," he said.

According to Amnesty, in 2005, a convict in the kingdom had his teeth pulled out by a dentist because he had smashed another man's teeth out in a fight.

"We have also had cases of people sentenced to blindness because they have caused the blindness of another person," Chirouf said. "But never anything involving a spinal cord."

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#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

Typical Muslim response

Sounds like just an 'eye for an eye'. Isn't that in the Christian bible too?

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   12:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: mininggold (#2)

Sounds like just an 'eye for an eye'. Isn't that in the Christian bible too?

It sure is. Take a look at the required punishments in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

Since, as Stone says, the bible is 100% the word of god, we should be applying these punishments as god intended.

I'm sure that once the Evangeliban takes power in the US, we will.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-21   12:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Skip Intro (#3)

Since, as Stone says, the bible is 100% the word of god...

He and Goldi are two nutcase moderators. At least aka loser is a more tolerant one wrt bannings.

Maybe he could institute that shunning thing here.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-21   12:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Fred Mertz (#4)

Maybe he could institute that shunning thing here.

If I could stone posters through my computer I would. LOL

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   14:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#4) (Edited)

At least aka loser is a more tolerant one wrt bannings.

I've been looking at the nearby hills for over forty years yet I see little evidence of them either growing or reducing in size except when someone decides to bulldoze them into submission. Wouldn't you think if the earth was so young we would still be seeing massive changes occurring over our own lifetimes?

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   14:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold (#6)

I've been looking at the nearby hills for over forty years yet I see little evidence of them either growing or reducing in size except when someone decides to bulldoze them into submission. Wouldn't you think if the earth was so young we would be seeing massive changes occurring over our own lifetimes?

No, because according to Stone everything major happened during the flood, then stopped.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-21   14:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Skip Intro (#7)

No, because according to Stone everything major happened during the flood, then stopped.

I guess those earthquakes are just imaginary figments then.

I was alway curious where that fresh (I'm guessing it was fresh because a dead one wouldn't have proven a thing) olive branch came from that the bird brought Noah. Olive trees hate for their roots to be water logged for even a short time and will die very quickly.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   14:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#8)

I was alway curious where that fresh (I'm guessing it was fresh because a dead one wouldn't have proven a thing) olive branch came from that the bird brought Noah.

Obviously god handed the branch to the bird. What I don't understand is where that five mile layer of water that covered the earth went.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-21   14:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Skip Intro (#9)

Obviously god handed the branch to the bird. What I don't understand is where that five mile layer of water that covered the earth went.

God could have drank it.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-21   15:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mininggold (#2)

Sounds like just an 'eye for an eye'. Isn't that in the Christian bible too?

No, Jesus changed much of what the Old Testament said. For example, a man could divorce his wife and take another in the OT, not in the NT.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   17:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#6)

Wouldn't you think if the earth was so young we would still be seeing massive changes occurring over our own lifetimes?

After church today I stopped by my pal's place for coffee and BS. On TV he had the Travel Channel on and they were doing a feature on the Grand Canyon. 'Nuff said...but a k a loser came to mind nevertheless.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-22   16:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#0)

A Saudi judge has asked several hospitals in the country whether they could damage a man's spinal cord as punishment after he was convicted of attacking another man

Barbarians.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-22   17:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Skip Intro (#9)

The water is in the ocean.

God caused the mountains to form and the earths plates to shift. Note also in Genesis it says after the flood the earth was altered or changed and it wasn't the same anymore. Fountains of the deep were opened. Floodgates of Heaven were opened, possibly a reference to the water above the firmament.

Then This if you're really interested in the truth.

Psalms Back to previous chapterNext chapter Bible Study HOME Word search Other translations of this chapter: NASV / NKJV / NIV Chapter 104

1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.

2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

10 He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.

11 They give drink to every beast of the field: the wild asses quench their thirst.

12 By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

13 He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.

14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

16 The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;

17 Where the birds make their nests: as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.

18 The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats; and the rocks for the conies.

19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.

21 The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God.

22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.

23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.

24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.

25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.

26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.

28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good.

29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

31 The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works.

32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.

33 I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.

34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.

35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#6)

I've been looking at the nearby hills for over forty years yet I see little evidence of them either growing or reducing in size except when someone decides to bulldoze them into submission. Wouldn't you think if the earth was so young we would still be seeing massive changes occurring over our own lifetimes?

Your observation is pointless. Hills growing or reducing in size has nothing to do with anything we are talking about.

Also have you ever heard of an earthquake?

Ever been to the Badlands and seen the parallel lines where the water was washing against the formations?

You need to get out a little and quit reading Darwin and trying to reconcile it with reality.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Fred Mertz (#12)

Fred the Grand Canyon is proof of the flood. If you had a clue you would research it.

How far are you from Cinci? If you would like I will buy you a ticket to the creation museum and you can maybe learn something. How about it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Hey, if my calling you a k a loser really pisses you off, let me know. I'll stop doing it if it does.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-22   17:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)

I'm about 2 hours and 20 minutes from Cincy. I've got plenty of spare time on my hands, so I might take you up on it. Also, one of my college buddies lives in the greater Cincy area. Thanks for the offer.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-22   17:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Fred Mertz (#18)

It is not in cinci but I think about 30 min or so from there. I've never been.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#14)

So where did all the water come from and where did it go? We're talking about enough water here to increase the diameter of the earth by 8 to 10 miles.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   17:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#11)

No, Jesus changed much of what the Old Testament said.

Well, who told him he could do that? No wonder god got so pissed off at him and had his chosen people kill him.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   17:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Skip Intro (#20)

Read the Psalm I just gave you. The anwer is there.

There was no rain on the earth before the flood. Did you know that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Skip Intro (#21)

I have a question for you skipper. What came first a male or female person? And how without both sexes that are required to bring people into being in the natural.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#19)

The museum was originally marketed as the Creation Museum and Family Discovery Center.[16] It opened in late Spring of 2007 as the "Creation Museum". The museum is located north-northeast of Petersburg, Kentucky, roughly 12 miles (19 km) from the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport on 49 acres (20 ha) of land; the Answers in Genesis main offices are attached to the museum.[17][18] The facility's stated mission is to "exalt Jesus Christ as Creator, Redeemer and Sustainer", to "equip Christians to better evangelize the lost", and to "challenge visitors to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_museum

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-22   17:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Fred Mertz (#24)

Yeah that's it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   17:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)

I have a question for you skipper. What came first a male or female person? And how without both sexes that are required to bring people into being in the natural.

Yeah the flat-earthers of the Darwinists never can answer that one.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-22   17:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Skip Intro (#3)

Sounds like just an 'eye for an eye'. Isn't that in the Christian bible too?

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I say to you, That ye resist not evil: but whoever shall strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41 And whoever shall constrain thee to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee, turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thy enemy: 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them who love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-22   18:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

According to your book of fantasy and superstition, either man came first or both man and woman appeared simultaneously.

Tell me Stone, where did god come from?

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   19:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#22)

There was no rain on the earth before the flood.

Sure there wasn't. The garden of eden just grew without water.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   19:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Skip Intro (#28)

The fact that you didn't answer my question means you don't know what to say. Now go back. Think on it and answer my question.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   19:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Skip Intro (#29)

There was no rain on the earth before the flood.

Sure there wasn't. The garden of eden just grew without water.

They were watered with natural springs. You don't know much.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   20:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)

No, Stone, it means it would take a lot longer to TRY to explain it to you than I plan to waste on it.

Why not tell me where god came from, and don't give me this old crap that he's always been here.

There are intelligent religious people who realize that, at best, the bible is just allegory. Then there are fundamentalist nuts jobs like you and the Taliban.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   20:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Skip Intro (#32) (Edited)

Quit spinning. Get back to me when you have finished your homework I gave you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   20:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Where did the water from the "natural" springs come from? How about outside the garden? Where did the water for crops come from there?

Can you tell me anyplace in the world where people grow crops with no rain?

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   20:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#33)

No, Stone, tell me where god came from. That should be simple for you. All you have to do is make it up.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   20:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Skip Intro (#35)

Don't get back to me on this thread until you answer the question.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-22   20:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

Speaking of this thread, do you have a problem with what the judge did? If so, why?

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-22   20:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#15)

ou need to get out a little and quit reading Darwin and trying to reconcile it with reality.

I've actually never read much Darwin.

Care to hike Plumas or Sierra Counties in California? I can show you lots of interesting areas in both especially in the areas that were hydraulicked for gold. I know of an interesting area in a bluff on the top of a ridge where you can find ancient tree leaves still intact embedded between solid rock layers. Underneath this ridge is a buried river system made up of mostly cobbled rocks and gravels hundreds of feet thick, complete with running water at the bedrock level, which has been partially mined and exposed by hydraulics.

There's lots of petrified wood in my area in the north SF Bay too. How do you young earth kooks explain those? Magical rocks that just so happen to take on the exact shape of tree trunks complete with rings?

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-22   23:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mininggold (#38)

Dr. David Gentry made coal in the lab. It doesn't take long. Petrified wood came from the flood. Hot water from the fountains of the deep were released.

I understand there are coal deposits miles long. The only explanation is that flood that happened back in Noahs day.

You buy the plane ticket and book me a hotel. And maybe I will come hiking.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-23   9:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Dr. David Gentry made coal in the lab.

That's a lie.

First off, it was granite and secondly, he couldn't do it.

war  posted on  2010-08-23   9:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: war (#40)

It is the truth. He did it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-23   9:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Post his results.

war  posted on  2010-08-23   9:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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