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Title: Major Study Proves Oil Plume That's Not Going Away
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URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... AULT&CTIME=2010-08-19-14-49-06
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: By SETH BORENSTEIN
Post Date: 2010-08-19 15:09:45 by Brian S
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- A 22-mile-long invisible mist of oil is meandering far below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, where it will probably loiter for months or more, scientists reported Thursday in the first conclusive evidence of an underwater plume from the BP spill. The most worrisome part is the slow pace at which the oil is breaking down in the cold, 40-degree water, making it a long-lasting but unseen threat to vulnerable marine life, experts said. Earlier this month, top federal officials declared the oil in the spill was mostly "gone," and it is gone in the sense you can't see it. But the chemical ingredients of the oil persist more than a half-mile beneath the surface, researchers found. And the oil is degrading at one-tenth the pace at which it breaks down at the surface. That means "the plumes could stick around for quite a while," said study co-author Ben Van Mooy of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, which led the research published online in the journal Science. Monty Graham, a scientist at the Dauphin Island Sea Lab in Alabama who was not involved in the study, said: "We absolutely should be concerned that this material is drifting around for who knows how long. They say months in the (research) paper, but more likely we'll be able to track this stuff for years." Florida State University scientist Ian MacDonald, in testimony before Congress on Thursday, said the gas and oil "imprint of the BP discharge will be detectable in the marine environment for the rest of my life." The underwater oil was measured close to BP's blown-out well, which is about 40 miles off the Louisiana coast. The plume started three miles from the well and extended more than 20 miles to the southwest. The oil droplets are odorless and too small to be seen by the human eye. If you swam through the plume, you wouldn't notice it. "There's no visible evidence of oil in the samples; they look like clear water," study chief author Richard Camilli said. The scientists used complex instruments - including a special underwater mass spectrometer - to detect the chemical signature of the oil that spewed from the BP well after it ruptured April 20. The equipment was carried into the deep by submersible devices. With more than 57,000 of these measurements, the scientists mapped a huge plume in late June. The components of oil were detected in a flow that measured more than a mile wide and more than 650 feet from top to bottom. Federal officials said there are signs that the plume has started to break into smaller ones since the Woods Hole research cruise ended. But scientists said that wouldn't lessen the overall harm from the oil. The oil is at depths of 3,000 to 4,000 feet, far below the environment of the most popular Gulf fish like red snapper, tuna and mackerel. But it is not harmless. These depths are where small fish and crustaceans live. And one of the biggest migrations on Earth involves small fish that go from deep water to more shallow areas, taking nutrients from the ocean depths up to the large fish and mammals. Those smaller creatures could be harmed by going through the oil, said Larry McKinney, director of Texas A&M University's Gulf of Mexico research center in Corpus Christi. Some aspects of that region are so little known that "we might lose species that we don't know now exist," said Graham of the Dauphin Island lab. "This is a highly sensitive ecosystem," agreed Steve Murawski, chief fisheries scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. "The animals down at 3,300 to 3,400 feet grow slowly." The oil not only has toxic components but could cause genetic problems even at low concentrations, he said. For much of the summer, the mere existence of underwater plumes of oil was the subject of a debate that at times pitted outside scientists against federal officials who downplayed the idea of plumes of trapped oil. Now federal officials say as much as 42 million gallons of oil may be lurking below the surface in amounts that are much smaller than the width of a human hair. While federal officials prefer to describe the lurking oil as "an ephemeral cloud," the Woods Hole scientists use the word "plume" repeatedly. The study conclusively shows that a plume exists, that it came from the BP well and that it probably never got close to the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, Camilli said. It is probably even larger than 22 miles long, but scientists had to stop measuring because of Hurricane Alex. Earlier this week a University of South Florida team reported oil in amounts that were toxic to critical plant plankton deep underwater, but the crude was not necessarily in plumes. Those findings have not been reviewed by other scientists or published. The plume is probably still around, but moving west-southwest of the BP well site at about 4 miles a day, Camilli said. While praising the study that ended on June 28, Murawski said more recent observations show that the cloud of oil has "broken apart into a bunch of very small features, some them much farther away." Texas A&M's McKinney said marine life can suffer harm whether it is several smaller plumes or one giant one. NOAA redirected much of its sampling for underwater oil after consulting with Woods Hole researchers. The federal agency is now using the techniques that the team pioneered with a robotic sub and an underwater mass spectrometer, Murawski said. Previous attempts to define the plume were "like watching the Super Bowl on a 12-inch black-and-white TV and we try to bring to the table a 36-inch HD TV," said Woods Hole scientist Chris Reddy. The paper, fast-tracked for the world of peer-reviewed science, was written on a boat while still in the Gulf, he said. Reddy said he could not yet explain why the underwater plume formed at that depth. But other experts point to three factors: cold water, the way the oil spewed from the broken well, and the use of massive amounts of dispersants to break up the oil before it gets to the surface. The decision to use 1.8 million gallons of dispersants amounted to an environmental trade-off - it meant less oil tainting the surface, where there is noticeable and productive life, but the risk of longer-term problems down below. At a federal science conference, officials looked at the relative risks and decided "it was worth the effort" to use dispersants, Murawski said. About 7 percent of the oil from the leaked well went into this particular plume, said Samantha Joye of the University of Georgia. Given the slow rate at which the oil is degrading in the cold water, she and others said it is too early to even think about closing the books on the spill: "The full environmental impacts of the spill will thus not be felt for some time." --- Online:
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
I'm so confused. Obama and his coast guard told us everything was fixed and fine.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
Begin the gulf coast evacuation now before it is too late and millions die, right mcclown?
Then start listening to me and the other Dirty Fucking Hippies. Cause we've been right from Day 1. "Ephemeral Cloud"? Like a Blessing handed down by Zeus, eh? LMFAO Evac Now.
And here's Dr Robert Bea, THE head honcho: I was looking for Dr Robert Bea yesterday. Should've known he was with G Washington. Cool And ALL of my 'goto' sites(none Mainstream of course;} are picking this up. per alexander Higgins: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/08/20/top-scientist-working-bp-gulf-oil-spill-federal-government-confirms-bp-drilled-wells-3180/ Thursday, August 19, 2010 Top Expert: Geology is "Fractured", Relief Wells May Fail ... BP is Using a "Cloak of Silence", Refusing to Share Even Basic Data with the Government Everything us Dirty Fuckin Hippies have been saying since Day 1: Quote Do you know where that abandoned well location is, and do you know if that well is still leaking? Bea: The abandoned well is very close to the current well location. BP had to file reports showing the location of the abandoned well and the new well [with the Minerals Management Service], so the location of the abandoned well is known. We don't know if the abandoned well is leaking. WB: Matthew Simmons talked about a second leaking well. There are rumors on the Internet that the original well is still leaking. Do you have any information that can either disprove or confirm that allegation? Bea: There are two uncorroborated reports. One is that there is a leak 400 feet West of the present well's surface location. There is another report that there is a leak several miles to the West. And I continue to believe that this: http://catastrophist.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/macondo-rov-mapv1-0.png was what was showing on the bp monitoring room center screen that they then had to photoshop.
Florida State University scientist Ian MacDonald, in testimony before Congress on Thursday, said the gas and oil "imprint of the BP discharge will be detectable in the marine environment for the rest of my life." And you gotta love the 'months or more'. And note the Woods Hole reference by NOAA. When we were All wondering where they were. 8D "the marine environment for the rest of my life." Every Cat 3/5 will now have a Value Added Gift. 5 to 10 miles inland. And the First few years will have the Propylene Glycol advantage. Good News: You can just put the rainwater directly into your radiator. Antifreeze is free!
And of course us Dirty Fuckin Hippies were correct on this one as well: (when you're looking at the answers in the back of the book, it really isn't that difficult to reverse engineer the problem 8D: "And with the Bay Charman oil leak, more than 50% of the oil stayed below the surface of the ocean. [As I've previously pointed out, the US Minerals Management Service and a consortium of oil companies, including BP, found that as little as 2% of the oil which spill from deepwater wells ever makes it to the surface of the ocean. And the use of dispersant might decrease that number still further]. WB: I have previously argued that nuking the well would be a bad idea. What do you think? Bea: [Bea agreed that nuking the well would be counter-productive. He told me a story about a leaking deepwater well that he was involved in killing. ****A NUCLEAR PACKAGE was on its way to the well site ***** but - fortunately - the well stopped by itself before a nuke was deployed. I'm not sure whether this is classified information, so I won't disclose the name of the well. Bea also discussed alternatives in the form of high-pressure, high-temperature conventional explosives, echoing what Bill Clinton said recently].
The next Cat 3/5's will be catastrophe.
If you want someone to listen to you stop saying so much and try not being a fucking lunatic.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
I watched this man's testimony on DemocracyNow! about an hour ago. He added for the record that he is 58 years old which tells me that the gusher will be detectable for 20+ years.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
BWAHAHAHAHA Why start now? LMFAO Listen to me? Who would want to do such a thing? I mean, you've got Rush and Beck and the mosques and OMFGPalin. And Cramer and Burnett and the Money Honey's of CNBC. And the MSM is ALL smiles ALL the time! Fuck you. This isn't for you. And with zero empathy, how could it be? Dirty Fuckin Hippes. First they Ignore. Then they laugh. check. check. Then they fight. Then we win. How brief and concise are those talking points? TFF. ;}
;} And from Day 1, I began looking into another retirement site. I was planning on Destin to Biloxi to New Orleans. Beach to Casino to Culture. Now maybe the Sea of Cortez. ;}
Cause we've been right from Day 1. "Ephemeral Cloud"? Like a Blessing handed down by Zeus, eh? LMFAO Evac Now. We're along ways away from what you said is happening. FUEL AIR EXPLOSIVE.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
;} And from Day 1, I began looking into another retirement site. I was planning on Destin to Biloxi to New Orleans. Beach to Casino to Culture. Now maybe the Sea of Cortez. ;}
We're along ways away from what you said is happening. FUEL AIR EXPLOSIVE. WTF. I just posted what I said was happening as relayed by Dr Robert Bea. You can now show me where I have ever said FUEL AIR EXPLOSIVE.
Which is why I can't type in First Grade McBriefings, btw. As some here would like. When I keep it 'brief', people want/ need sources/explanations.
On 2010-08-20 09:17:57, A K A Stone wrote: To: mcgowanjm he primary consequences of our fossil-fuel addiction Oil doesn't come from fossils. If it does tell me how it got to the bottom of the ocean under all that rock. Secondly Peak oil is a myth. And THIS is one of those answers in the Back of the Book that I've been talking about. Once you understand that the Discovery/Production of Hydrocarbons has been the source of the US Empire and Everything else for the Past 120 years (see Hitler Drives to Maikop, then OVerestimates and rushes to his Stalingrad for details;} And that the burning of over 1/2 of the World's Hydrocarbons has caused the now unavoidable Climate Weirding(Little Rock 100 degrees record again this week end) Civilization is now running into then the Actions of the Top 50 000 make All the sense in the world.
Crude oil is the master material on which all other depend. Without abundant supplies of inexpensive crude oil, we cannot produce uranium (which peaked in 1980), coal (which peaks within a decade or so[sooner]), solar panels, wind turbines, wave power, ethanol, biodiesel, or hydroelectric power. Without abundant supplies of inexpensive crude oil, we cannot maintain the electric grid. Without abundant supplies of inexpensive crude oil, we cannot maintain the industrial economy for an extended period of time. Simply put, abundance supplies of inexpensive crude oil is fundamental to growth of the industrial economy and therefore to western civilization. Civilizations grow or die. Western civilization is done growing. And THAT's why british petroleum and the MMS/US have broken EVERY law/Eliminated Every Liability to get oil out of a 5 000 ft deepsea/18 000 ft sub surface well.
Another WTF? See link for pictures. Specifically, the test is expected to tell scientists and engineers whether it is safe to remove the blowout preventer and capping stack without compromising the cement plug in the well and risking the reintroduction of oil into the well and the sea. The 48-hour test began at about 6:30 Thursday morning and is expected to conclude Saturday morning. It will be followed by an attempt to retrieve a 3,500-foot piece of drill pipe from the well. Officials have never been able to pin down where the mystery pipe came from. It was first discovered in June when riser pipe was cut away from the well, revealing two drill pipes instead of one. But the pipe was gone when technicians went to put a sealing cap on the well in July. Allen said Thursday that the pipe may be suspended from the blowout preventer. "Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
More drama for the masses... Removal of the original blowout preventer would have to be overseen by the Justice Department and the Deepwater Horizon joint investigation team, which have issued subpoenas for the apparatus as part of an investigation into the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion. The 325-ton stack failed to prevent the rig from exploding April 20.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
www.nola.com/news/gulf-oi...eventer_from_damaged.html The pipe was blown INTO the BOP. Anohter FAIL. And what are the Relief Wells doing anyway? 8D And which well is the Thadmiral talking about? ;} This is turning into comedy. Thank God the walruses in the GoM are n o longer around to suffer this. ;} Today, the Guardian is reporting, “Ian MacDonald, an oceanographer at Florida State University, said the White House accounting for the oil is misleading and that only 10% of the oil that spewed into the Gulf has been removed from the ocean.”
Removal of the original blowout preventer would have to be overseen by the Justice Department and the Deepwater Horizon joint investigation team, which have issued subpoenas for the apparatus as part of an investigation into the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion. The 325-ton stack failed to prevent the rig from exploding April 20. And WHY are we doing this now? I'm at other sites and the PetroEngineers are talking like this happens all the time in the Gulf. "Oh, you mean that?" Just after the NEW PLAN is put into effect. ;}
That was also covered on the DemocracyNow! show this morning. I've got to watch that show more often.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
And that means that the Imperial City is getting desperate. Like the Berlin wall falling, no one is watching MSM for news. And the Imperial City MUST have control of the news feed.
It was first discovered in June when riser pipe was cut away from the well, revealing two drill pipes instead of one. But the pipe was gone when technicians went to put a sealing cap on the well in July. And this article is Crazyland. Riser just got up and went. Like every other part of this Epic Fail. Coincidence is the word we often use when we want to hide the truth.
I'm off to lunch...it's Fish Friday...uh-oh...what to eat, what to eat...
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
The BOP swap is happening because the Flange Transition Spool on the Capping Stack was not built to handle even the failure-grade low pressures. Meanwhile, gas and oil continue to vent from exploited cracks in the seabed. There is a lot of AWESOME going down, and the Thadmiral and BP not addressing the fizzing seabed on purpose. Lying like cheap rugs.
We were told on another site you freguent that g-d has made the oil actually disappear because Obama finally played Patty Cake with Israel. I didn't see one post there of your disagreement with that assessment.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Brook trout. Yum Yum. 8D Just had some out of the White River.
We were told on another site you freguent that g-d has made the oil actually disappear because Obama finally played Patty Cake with Israel. I didn't see one post there of your disagreement with that assessment. 8D Like what happened to All those walruses? And the Mitigation Plan was what again? From Kent Wells Briefing yesterday! Rock on TRIP!! Operator: Your next question comes from the line of (Trip Hannah), The Oil Drum IRC. (Trip Hannah): Hi, Kent. We’ve sorely missed you. My question had to do with the ROV feeds. And, I’m just curious about the BOA subsea ROVs and just wanted to point out that those feeds have never been released, and I was just curious if there’s a way we could get those released to the American public. Kent Wells: Yes. I’m certainly not aware that we have not been making all our ROV feeds available; at least certainly any that are doing any sort of work. But, let me – I’m not looking at the ROV feeds right now, so, once again, let me take a look at that, and we’ll make sure that there’s full transparency on any ROV work that’s going on. But, appreciate there’s not a lot going on right now with the ROVs. www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_.../globalbp_uk_english/in... That TOD is SOO Proud of their reporter mixing it up with Kent. Who then proceeds to Shart himself with his convoluted answer. And Rockman, the GoTo Guy at TOD has no clue who Dr Robert Bea is? Primary Expertise * Ocean Environmental Conditions and Forces (earthquakes, wind, waves, currents, mudslides, ice) * Foundations Design and Construction (field explorations, soils testing, piles, mats, pipelines) * Structures Design, Construction, Maintenance, Re-qualification * Reliability & Safety Assessments; Human & Organization Factors in Safety of Marine Systems * Risk Assessment and Management of Engineered Infrastructure Systems Professional Memberships and Affiliations * National Academy of Engineers * American Society of Civil Engineers * Academy of Management Honors * New Orleans City Council Proclamation in gratitude for research and efforts in promotion flood protection and to aid in the recovery of New Orleans and Louisiana, 2007 * Chancellor's Award for Research in the Public Interest, 2007 * Fellow, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 2005 * Life Member, American Society of Civil Engeineers, 2004 * Hall of Fame, Risk and Reliability Engineering, Offshore Energy Center, 2003 * Ocean, Offshore & Arctic Engineering Division Professional Contributions Award, 2001 * Blakely Smith Medal Lifetime Achievements in Ocean Engineering, Society of Naval Architects & Marine Engineers, 2001 * Corporate Leadership Award, U.S. Department of the Interior Minerals Management Service, 2000 * Offshore Technology Pioneer Award, Energy Center, 1998 * Offshore Mechanics & Arctic Engineering Technical Achievement Award, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 1997 * National Academy of Management, 1994 * National Academy of Engineering, 1989 * Marine Board, National Academy of Engineering, 1989 - 1995 * Society of Professional Engineers Project of the Year for 1993 * United States Coast Guard Research Commendation, 1992 * American Society of Mechanical Engineers OMAE Technical Achievement Award, 1997 * Institution of Engineers Australia Eminent Speaker Award, 1990 * American Society of Civil Engineers Croes Medal, 1978 * Bechtel Fellow Award, 1987 * J. Hillis Miller Engineering Award, 1960
And just a btw-(Trip Hannah): Hi, Kent. We’ve sorely missed you. Where the Fuck HAVE you been, Kent?
Ceviche
In a video dated 4 June 2010, an apparent “Dispersant Ops” Rov showed the BOP at 61.8 ft above seabed level, at 221.5 ft WNW of Well A location. Figure 3d confirmed our suspicion that the BOP had been “busily travelling” around instead of being Static at Well A as we had been led to believe. Predictive Truth reporting is 10 folds harder than factual reporting. There must be consideration for facts deliberately hidden from public view and information that had been unintentionally or intentionally distorted to mislead. I had been severely criticized and widely condemned for being late in answering my critics; as you can see below: Pity you didn’t take your own advice. The points raised in my post above are a catalog of what I can only assume are errors, as you have failed to address them. I will not be asking Mr. Berman to elaborate on anything, as I think you have just discredited yourself beyond redemption and checkmated yourself. Comments made by FintanDunne at #9 Aug 19 2010. http://oilspilltruth.wordpress.com/ 8D Party Down, Dudes! 8D
Many questions cannot be answered in isolation without being ripped apart by the waiting pride of lions. Many sensitive revelations cannot be revealed before the time is ripe, in this chess game of “hide and seek” and “catch me if you can” multi-billion cover-up scandal that is slowly being unraveled. Time is on the side of truth and it is the detractors’ strategy to push the truth seekers to their untimely death (sorry pun intended). They have the funding and wide array of machinations to seek and destroy all those that stood up like a “sore thumb” in their quest to dupe the unsuspecting world.
Who is we and on what site, whiningskag? I don't follow you and the liberal herd around. I'm still waiting for the GOM evacuation to commence....you know, the one mcclown predicted! What a fookin dork!
Whoahh! They've finally got something on the pipe that's NOT leaking, and they're going to replace it for the hell of it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Probably won't make any difference anyway since they're so many other leaks. But why mess with a good thing? They were reporting around 60K PSI during the "test", what is is now, do you know?
I think you're confusing data. 60k would be the est of barrel flow. And update: You can add 100 million gals of methane to that, so now we have 5 VLCC's worth of Hydrocarbons in the GoM. With bp figuring to get 15 million bbls out of Macondo, the Good News is that they can just fuck off now, and no more than 4 more VLCC's worth will be coming out. ;} The Last psi check(and they've stopped giving this data,btw) was 7 000+. The Flex Joint rated at 6 000. Maybe. "But why mess with a good thing?" Because it's only 'good' if you're buying their story. Which us Dirty Fuckin Hippies have been discrediting from Day 1. Nothing's been fixed. Millions will die. B K Lim: So BP did actually notice the structure but did not realise how hazardous it was. Sounds familiar? Those who had commented and ridiculed my model as being “crap, comical and total nonsense” probably had the same misunderstanding or poor concept of geohazards assessment. The question being asked at this point is; Where were BP’s geohazards specialists? Was BP trying to save some money by using 3D seismic experts to map both the oil reservoir and geohazards as well? Obviously the end result is as disastrous as the previous 3D-seismic experts’ attempts at geohazards assessment more than 20 years ago – a blowout." This ENTIRE disaster has been years in the making, with british petroleum,cheney doing everything possible to make an 'impossible endeavor' profitable. Sound Familiar? 8D
Today Washington’s Blog posted a great interview Dr. Robert Bea, a scientist on federal government’s flow rate team and one of the world’s leading world’s leading experts in offshore drilling disasters. Dr. Bea confirmed that BP has in fact drilled into a salt formation during the drilling of the well and during the drilling of the well the sea floor has been become so fractured that oil and methane could continue to leak for years even after sealing it with the relief well. Top Oil Expert: Geology is “Fractured”, Relief Wells May Fail and Oil May Leak for Years … BP is Using a “Cloak of Silence” Few people in the world know more about oil drilling disasters than Dr. Robert Bea.
I didn't mean to imply that everything was groovy now. That one leak, the TOP of the pipe sticking out is sealed though,right. They are no doubt many more places on the seabed. and lower down the pipe, that are venting, but the TOP of the pipe is sealed off with the flange/stack/etc, so why screw with that? I suspect the pressure at the stack has dropped, due to all of the leaks elsewhere, so they're hiding that data now. Sucking the oil out from new wells is probably the best bet. The Pemex (Mexican National oil company) leak years ago finally died out on it's own, but it was small in comparison.
I didn't mean to imply that everything was groovy now. That one leak, the TOP of the pipe sticking out is sealed though,right. They are no doubt many more places on the seabed. and lower down the pipe, that are venting, but the TOP of the pipe is sealed off with the flange/stack/etc, so why screw with that? I suspect the pressure at the stack has dropped, due to all of the leaks elsewhere, so they're hiding that data now. Sucking the oil out from new wells is probably the best bet. The Pemex (Mexican National oil company) leak years ago finally died out on it's own, but it was small in comparison. You're talking Common Sense(Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. Albert Einstein;} now. But that's a rare commodity here. Hidden Agendas ALWAYS produce Absurdities. The Bottom Line: The Extent of the Cover Up reveals the Magnitude of the Crime: Ex- Today Washington’s Blog posted a great interview Dr. Robert Bea, a scientist on federal government’s flow rate team and one of the world’s leading world’s leading experts in offshore drilling disasters. Dr. Bea confirmed that BP has in fact drilled into a salt formation during the drilling of the well and during the drilling of the well the sea floor has been become so fractured that oil and methane could continue to leak for years even after sealing it with the relief well. Top Oil Expert: Geology is “Fractured”, Relief Wells May Fail and Oil May Leak for Years … BP is Using a “Cloak of Silence” Few people in the world know more about oil drilling disasters than Dr. Robert Bea. 4. BP’s efforts and statements to contain the 3 major oil leaks at seabed with the use of giant container domes which were designed to dig into the seabed, appeared to be sincere in the immediate aftermath of the 20th April Blowout. If the leaks were actually on the riser, why was there a need for 3 containment domes when the riser could have been cut and capped at the BOP as had been done since mid-June. This implies the leaks were coming out of the seabed (through shallow faults coming close to the seabed) and not from the riser which could have been cut and removed. This thing's going to explode back onto the Front Page. With the Talking Heads saying something like this: "As you know, we've been following the Gulf Coast Disaster for x Days now(Reality-Day 123-MSM maybe 20 with none in the last week plus;}. Today, sources have told us that the situation is much worse than we were initially led to believe...."
That because you are part the liberal Palin voting herd...while feeding OTP's doggies in Alaska. Did that kibble get wet again?
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
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#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar, Brian S, mcclown (#1)
I'm so confused. Obama and his coast guard told us everything was fixed and fine
#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
I'm so confused. Obama and his coast guard told us everything was fixed and fine.
#4. To: Brian S, Fred Mertz, All (#0)
#5. To: Brian S (#0)
Monty Graham, a scientist at the Dauphin Island Sea Lab in Alabama who was not involved in the study, said: "We absolutely should be concerned that this material is drifting around for who knows how long. They say months in the (research) paper, but more likely we'll be able to track this stuff for years."
#6. To: Brian S (#0)
#7. To: All (#6)
#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
#9. To: Brian S (#0)
Florida State University scientist Ian MacDonald, in testimony before Congress on Thursday, said the gas and oil "imprint of the BP discharge will be detectable in the marine environment for the rest of my life."
#10. To: Abu el Banat (#8)
If you want someone to listen to you stop saying so much and try not being a fucking lunatic.
#11. To: All (#10)
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#9)
I watched this man's testimony on DemocracyNow! about an hour ago. He added for the record that he is 58 years old which tells me that the gusher will be detectable for 20+ years.
#13. To: mcgowanjm (#3)
Then start listening to me and the other Dirty Fucking Hippies.
#14. To: Abu el Banat, All (#9)
I watched this man's testimony on DemocracyNow! about an hour ago. He added for the record that he is 58 years old which tells me that the gusher will be detectable for 20+ years.
#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#13)
#16. To: All (#15)
#17. To: A K A Stone, All (#16)
#18. To: All (#17)
#19. To: mcgowanjm (#18)
#20. To: mcgowanjm (#18)
#21. To: Fred Mertz (#19)
It will be followed by an attempt to retrieve a 3,500-foot piece of drill pipe from the well. Officials have never been able to pin down where the mystery pipe came from. It was first discovered in June when riser pipe was cut away from the well, revealing two drill pipes instead of one. But the pipe was gone when technicians went to put a sealing cap on the well in July. Allen said Thursday that the pipe may be suspended from the blowout preventer.
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#20)
More drama for the masses...
#23. To: mcgowanjm (#21)
“Ian MacDonald, an oceanographer at Florida State University, said the White House accounting for the oil is misleading and that only 10% of the oil that spewed into the Gulf has been removed from the ocean.”
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)
That was also covered on the DemocracyNow! show this morning. I've got to watch that show more often.
#25. To: Fred Mertz (#19)
www.nola.com/news/gulf-oi...eventer_from_damaged.html
#26. To: mcgowanjm (#25)
#27. To: All (#25)
#28. To: Ibluafartsky (#2)
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Begin the gulf coast evacuation now before it is too late and millions die, right mcclown?
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
I'm off to lunch...it's Fish Friday...uh-oh...what to eat, what to eat...
#30. To: mininggold (#28)
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#31. To: All (#30)
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
I'm off to lunch...it's Fish Friday...uh-oh...what to eat, what to eat... q
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#33. To: All (#31)
#34. To: All (#33)
#35. To: mininggold, mcgowanjm, All (#28)
We were told on another site
#36. To: mcgowanjm (#27)
The BOP swap is happening because the Flange Transition Spool on the Capping Stack was not built to handle even the failure-grade low pressures.
#37. To: hondo68, All (#36)
They were reporting around 60K PSI during the "test", what is is now, do you know?
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#39. To: mcgowanjm (#37)
it's only 'good' if you're buying their story.
#40. To: hondo68 (#39)
#41. To: Ibluafartsky (#35)
I don't follow you and the liberal herd around.
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