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Title: Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 (More proof stimulus a failure)
Source: CNBC
URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38768328
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: NA
Post Date: 2010-08-19 09:25:45 by Nebuchadnezzar
Keywords: None
Views: 81797
Comments: 138

Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 Published: Thursday, 19 Aug 2010 | 9:05 AM ET Text Size By: Reuters

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly climbed to a nine-month high last week, yet another setback to the frail economic recovery.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits increased 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 500,000 in the week ended August 14, the highest since mid-November, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast claims slipping to 476,000 from the previously reported 484,000 the prior week, which was revised up to 488,000 in Thursday's report.

A Labor Department official said there was nothing unusual in the state level data. The data covered the survey week for the government's closely watched employment report for August, scheduled for release early next month.

"There are some technical factors out there and the seasonal factors seem to be pushing it up a little bit. But given the trend of claims it looks like the economy ran into a wall in August," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-MitsubishI UFJ in New York.

U.S. stock index futures turned negative after the report, while Treasury debt prices pared losses. The dollar fell against the yen.

A 9.5 percent unemployment rate and weak housing market are hobbling the economy's recovery from its most brutal recession since the Great Depression.

The economy's poor health has handed President Barack Obama a tough challenge and put at risk the Democratic Party's majorities in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate in November's mid-term elections.

Obama's approval ratings have tumbled to the mid- to lower 40 percent range and Congress' ratings are hovering at about 20 percent.

The four-week average of new jobless claims, considered a better measure of underlying labor market trends as it irons out week-to-week volatility, rose 8,000 to 482,500, the highest since early December.

Claims for unemployment benefits have been stuck at lofty levels for much of this year, which many economists say points to unemployment staying uncomfortably high for some time.

Claims have not come close to the 400,000 level that most analysts generally view as the dividing line between payrolls growth and contraction. Payrolls grew in the first five months of this year, partly due to hiring for the decennial census, and have declined in both June and July.

The economy grew at a 2.4 percent annualized rate in the second quarter, much slower than the 3.7 percent pace in the first three months of the year.

However, recent trade and business inventory data have indicated a much more sluggish pace. According to a preliminary Reuters survey, the government could lower the second-quarter growth estimate to a rate of about 1.4 percent when it publishes its first revision next Friday.

The number of people still receiving jobless benefits after an initial week of aid fell 13,000 to 4.48 million in the week ended Aug. 7 from an upwardly revised 4.49 million the prior week. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast so-called continuing claims rising to 4.50 million from a previously reported 4.45 million.

"The drop in continued claims is an encouraging sign," said Robert Dye, senior economist at PNC Financial Services in Pittsburgh.

"When you take the life signs on the labor market, it's not all bad news, but it's not where we would like," he added.

The insured unemployment rate, which measures the percentage of the insured labor force that is jobless, was unchanged at 3.5 percent during that period.

The number of people on emergency benefits increased 260,105 to 4.75 million in the week ended July 31.

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#71. To: jwpegler (#66)

50% of doctors refuse to take Medicaid and a growing number are refusing to take Medicare. Obama's solution is to cut Medicare even more ($550 billion over the next 10 years) to force more doctors to drop it, which will increase the waiting times, in the hopes that some people will either not seek care or die waiting for care -- just like Canada.

I found it interesting that a group of Republican Congressmen have signed on to a bill that would remove the commission Obama created to cut Medicare spending over the next 10 years because they say that cutting Medicare is the job of Congress, meanwhile they offer no cuts of their own.

Singapore is constantly rated as the second freest economy on earth (next to Hong Kong) by the conservative CATO Institution and the libertarian CATO Institute. They would buy into mandatory savings over the mess we have today and single payer.

I'd argue that any attempt to impose "mandatory" savings would face the same constitutional challenges as the "individual mandate" as well as huge opposition from Conservatives.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   17:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#70)

It does not equal "good credit risk" in too many cases. The government though DID. NOT. CARE.

I know. The USG forced banks to lend money to minorities and it blew up in our face.

KA-BOOM!

Yet people like Lucy's Mom insist on heaping all the blame on the private- sector and none of it on the Feds.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   17:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: go65 (#36)

If you truly believe that cutting spending will improve the economy, you need to look at Greece, Ireland, and the Baltics, as well as the U.S. around 1937.

Cutting spending will cut the legs out from the economy, increasing unemployment, increasing the deficit, and reducing tax revenues even further. That's what has happened in every country that has tried austerity during a recession.

You're wrong.

Fire half the federal employees and make them go get a real job. They will have to produce and pay taxes and quit sucking govt tits.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-19   18:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#73)

You're wrong.

No.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html?_r=1&src=busln


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   18:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#72)

The USG forced banks to lend money to minorities and it blew up in our face.

KA-BOOM!

Community Reinvestment Act had zipola to do with current woes. In fact, it's been refuted so often that to continue to blame it for the financial meltdown is outright lying.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   18:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: go65 (#71) (Edited)

I found it interesting that a group of Republican Congressmen have signed on to a bill that would remove the commission Obama created to cut Medicare spending over the next 10 years because they say that cutting Medicare is the job of Congress, meanwhile they offer no cuts of their own.

Yep. I find it fascinating and rather disturbing that the so-called "limited government" Republicans are the ones arguing against cutting Medicare.

Go look at the Tea Party protesters. The core Tea Party folks are for limited government, but a HUGE portion of the people who show to their rallies are senior citizens who don't want their socialism to be cut. Take a good look and you'll see.

I'd argue that any attempt to impose "mandatory" savings would face the same constitutional challenges as the "individual mandate"

Maybe, but I don't agree. You're forced to "save" in your social security "account" today. Of course social security "accounts" are just a fiction, because social security is a pay as you go system. For a long time, people didn't understand that it was a fiction. Regardless, it's long been establishment that the government can force you (and your employer) to "save" for your retirement. It can be done for healthcare too.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   18:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#75)

Community Reinvestment Act had zipola to do with current woes. In fact, it's been refuted so often that to continue to blame it for the financial meltdown is outright lying.

Had a good degree to do with it.

Sorry, giving huge loans to people who have a 480 credit score, as dictated by the USG, is a recipe for disaster.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   18:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)

Did you read it?

Obviously you didn't or you wouldn't be lying about it...still.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   20:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#77)

Had a good degree to do with it.

Bullshit.

Fed data show that CRA loan portfolios did not perform any worse, some cases they performed better, than a bank's non CRA portfolio. And a bad credit score had nothing to do with it. CRA was to ensure that banks made the same loans inside of a specific community as it did in other. I live in a county that has very high property values but because of the racial composition of the county, the CRA is in effect.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   20:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

Also, the FBI testified before congress in 2006/7 that the number of liar loans in the mortgage industry represented a threat to the security of the United States due to potential economic damage.

Congress did nothing about the FBI warning.

The FBI did issue warnings in 2004, you're off by 2-3 years.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

Sorry, but when congress passes a law which demands that banks invest a certain portion of their portfolio in minority communities and said loans explode in the nation's face it should be called out.

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: jwpegler (#65)

What is a "liar loan" exactly?

When the lender requires no documentation and makes no effort to verify employment, income, credit history, etc. In many instances the borrower provided correct information only to discover later that it had been altered by the mortgage broker.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Liberator (#70)

It does not equal "good credit risk" in too many cases. The government though DID. NOT. CARE.

The government did not force lenders to make loans to poor credit risks - but that truth kinda ruins the story about how poor people almost brought downs the world's largest economy.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

They were a part of it.

Good lending standards were discarded.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   20:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: lucysmom (#80)

The FBI did issue warnings in 2004, you're off by 2-3 years.

I was comenting on their 2007 testimony.

But thank you. It's good to see Sen. Dodd and Rep. Frank were warned and did NOTHING.

I remember Frank in 2008 saying how great FANNIE/FREDDIE were doing.

And we all know what happened right after that.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   20:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

Wiki disagrees with you.

"He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight"

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   23:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

And Raines testimony:

During a 2008 House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing on the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the financial crisis, including in relation to the Community Reinvestment Act, asked if the CRA provided the "fuel" for increasing subprime loans, former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines said it might have been a catalyst encouraging bad behavior, but it was difficult to know.

THE US GOVERNMENT HAD NO BUSINESS TO FORCE BANKS TO MAKE LOANS.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   23:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#69)

For instance, if Mininggold wanted to purchase a used van as a workplace/home at the truckstop of her choice from a car lot vendor, she would indicate on her loan application that the income derived from her welfare check or night "work" was $200k. The finance person or loan officer would wink-wink and voila! MG just "purchased" that used GMC van plastered with Obama-Biden bumper stickers, "balloons" wedged between the seats, and 268,000 miles on the rebuilt engine. But the reality was that she really did NOT qualify for the loan based on her actual income.

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Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is positively the most hilariously BS overflowing comment from the resident obamunist spent-condom EVER:) "This is WHY I left the GOP in the mid 90's. ." Dwarf

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-08-20   0:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: e_type_jag (#88)

idiot

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-20   0:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#86)

"He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight"

What side are you arguing?

Where in your quote does it say that poor people and the CRA was responsible for the mortgage meltdown? It seems to say that institutions regulated by the CRA preformed better than those that were not.

It’s telling that, amid all the recent recriminations, even lenders have not fingered CRA. That’s because CRA didn’t bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force and relevance. And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA — or any federal regulator. Law didn’t make them lend. The profit motive did. And that is not political correctness. It is correctness. Robert Gordon

Why was the CRA losing force?

Finally, keep in mind that the Bush administration has been weakening CRA enforcement and the law’s reach since the day it took office. The CRA was at its strongest in the 1990s, under the Clinton administration, a period when subprime loans performed quite well. It was only after the Bush administration cut back on CRA enforcement that problems arose...

http://www.businessweek.com/inve...with_subprime_crisis.html

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-20   0:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#86)

Wiki disagrees with you.

No it doesn't. You may want to go back and read what wiki actually said.

"...CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight..."

What is highlighted is not the banking industry.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   7:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#87)

You don't read well do you?

...asked if the CRA provided the "fuel" for increasing subprime loans, former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines said it might have been a catalyst encouraging bad behavior, but it was difficult to know.

And subsequent analysis has shown that it did not, in fact, do so.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   7:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: war (#91)

"...CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight..."

Are you still peddling this bullshit?

Yeah, that's right, most of the loans occurred completely outside of Federal oversight, but you, in your twisted logic want to blame Bush for lack of Federal oversight.

But beyond that, NONE of these loans would have occurred if not for the CRA and the GSEs establishing precedence and market momentum for them. If you think differently, point to how many occurred before those forces came into play.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-20   8:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: lucysmom (#27) (Edited)

The first jobless recovery occurred before Clinton signed NAFTA into law.

Just the words 'jobless revocery' are the give away.

Why not just say 'north south'. Or describing the Manhattan Sized Oil Lake 40 miles from Louisiana as "an ephemeral cloud." 8D

Since Nixon defaulted on gold payments.

A Hidden Agenda ALWAYS produces Absurdities.

The primary consequences of our fossil-fuel addiction stem from two primary phenomena: peak oil and global climate change. The former spells the end of western civilization, which might come in time to prevent the extinction of our species at the hand of the latter.

>Global climate change threatens our species with extinction by mid-century is we do not terminate the industrial economy soon. Increasingly dire forecasts from extremely conservative sources keep stacking up.

>Governments refuse to act because they know growth of the industrial economy depends (almost solely) on consumption of fossil fuels. Global climate change and energy decline are similar in this respect:

neither is characterized by a politically viable solution.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-20   9:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: war (#91)

"...CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight..."

I have said in the past that CRA is part of the problem, not the whole problem.

On the other hand, you have routinely stated CRA had nothing to do with it.

Wiki supports me.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-20   9:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: war (#92)

...asked if the CRA provided the "fuel" for increasing subprime loans, former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines said it might have been a catalyst encouraging bad behavior, but it was difficult to know.

And subsequent analysis has shown that it did not, in fact, do so.

Sorry, what is "difficult" for people like you to "know" is code for "Of course we fucked up giving loans to people who were credit risks".

I noticed that the defense of the CRA came from people like Bernanke and the Treasury Dept.

Sorry, they have ZERO credibility with me. If they are defending something, then you know it's fucked up.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-20   9:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: mcgowanjm (#94)

he primary consequences of our fossil-fuel addiction

Oil doesn't come from fossils. If it does tell me how it got to the bottom of the ocean under all that rock.

Secondly Peak oil is a myth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-20   9:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#95)

Wiki supports me.

By observing that some CRA loans were sub prime? Buck up the data that shows that they defaulted in significant numbers while keeping in mind that CRA loans are a very small % of the overall mortgage market.

So, no, it does NOT support you.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   9:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#96)

Sorry, what is "difficult" for people like you to "know" is code for "Of course we fucked up giving loans to people who were credit risks".

FNMA does not make loans.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   9:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: A K A Stone (#97)

On 2010-08-20 09:17:57, A K A Stone wrote:

To: mcgowanjm

he primary consequences of our fossil-fuel addiction

Oil doesn't come from fossils. If it does tell me how it got to the bottom of the ocean under all that rock.

Secondly Peak oil is a myth.

Then you're not gonna understand what's coming in the Days and weeks ahead.

The primary consequences of our fossil-fuel addiction stem from two primary phenomena: peak oil and global climate change. The former spells the end of western civilization, which might come in time to prevent the extinction of our species at the hand of the latter.

Global climate change threatens our species with extinction by mid-century is we do not terminate the industrial economy soon. Increasingly dire forecasts from extremely conservative sources keep stacking up. Governments refuse to act because they know growth of the industrial economy depends (almost solely) on consumption of fossil fuels. Global climate change and energy decline are similar in this respect: neither is characterized by a politically viable solution.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-20   9:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: mcgowanjm (#100)

You are a loon.

There is no peak oil.

Now tell me how all those fossils ended up at the bottom of the ocean under all that rock. Go ahead make my day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-20   9:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: A K A Stone (#101) (Edited)

jm

You are a loon.

There is no peak oil.

Now tell me how all those fossils ended up at the bottom of the ocean under all that rock. Go ahead make my day.

And you're ignorant. Convincing someone who is getting paid not to understand is well nye impossible.

Note Peak Oil happened May 2005. Marked by Katrina/Federal Flood As Housing Peaked and Fell that Summer.

"There simply is no comprehensive substitute for crude oil.

It is the overwhelming fuel of choice for transportation, and there is no way

out of the crude trap at this late juncture in the industrial era. We passed

the world oil peak in 2005, which led to near-collapse(I would've/did said 'we

plateau'd;} of the world’s industrial economy several times between September

2008 and May 2010(Again the Plateau;}. And we’re certainly not out of the

economic woods yet(Never will be. That's what the DRAGON KING of Deepwater Horizon is about. Demand will now be crushed. See Housing/Fannie

/Freddie for details)."

Crude $30 the bbl by Xmas. But more expensive than now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-20   9:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: no gnu taxes (#93)

but you, in your twisted logic want to blame Bush for lack of Federal oversight.

Who is the cheif law enforcement officer of the US?

war  posted on  2010-08-20   9:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: A K A Stone (#101)

Now tell me how all those fossils ended up at the bottom of the ocean under all that rock. Go ahead make my day.

Plate Tectonics. And note where the Deepwater Horizon is.

A River Delta. And 50 million years is a very long time. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-20   9:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: war (#103)

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-20   9:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: mcgowanjm (#105)

What's even more hilarious is that when he was happy Fun Ball @ LP he was pointing to numbers similar to Obama's as being GREAT for the Boy Blunder's blunder in Iraq.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   9:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: war (#103)

Who is the cheif law enforcement officer of the US?

So I guess you are saying the Presidential motorcade has the authority to pull me over and write me a ticket for violating Ames, Iowa traffic ordinances.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-20   9:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: war (#106)

What's even more hilarious is that when he was happy Fun Ball @ LP he was pointing to numbers similar to Obama's as being GREAT for the Boy Blunder's blunder in Iraq.

Facts are irrelevant. History was yesterday.

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-20   9:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: no gnu taxes (#107) (Edited)

Speeding is a local issue. The US financial system is a federal issue.

All that niggering it up has rotted what little brain you have.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   9:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: mcgowanjm (#108)

Paddy wanted Boy Blunder to write speeding tickets...the irony of that statement is probably lost on him.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   9:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)

Recovery Summer?

Sad punchline for late night these days.

And the fact is Owe-bama asking for ANOTHER stimulus package is the closest the man child POTUS can come to admitting his 1st stimulus failed exactly as so many of us predicted.

One failed term. The only question is how badly will this idiot hurt the nation before we can fire his incompetent ass.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-20   10:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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