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Title: Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 (More proof stimulus a failure)
Source: CNBC
URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38768328
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: NA
Post Date: 2010-08-19 09:25:45 by Nebuchadnezzar
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Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 Published: Thursday, 19 Aug 2010 | 9:05 AM ET Text Size By: Reuters

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly climbed to a nine-month high last week, yet another setback to the frail economic recovery.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits increased 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 500,000 in the week ended August 14, the highest since mid-November, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast claims slipping to 476,000 from the previously reported 484,000 the prior week, which was revised up to 488,000 in Thursday's report.

A Labor Department official said there was nothing unusual in the state level data. The data covered the survey week for the government's closely watched employment report for August, scheduled for release early next month.

"There are some technical factors out there and the seasonal factors seem to be pushing it up a little bit. But given the trend of claims it looks like the economy ran into a wall in August," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-MitsubishI UFJ in New York.

U.S. stock index futures turned negative after the report, while Treasury debt prices pared losses. The dollar fell against the yen.

A 9.5 percent unemployment rate and weak housing market are hobbling the economy's recovery from its most brutal recession since the Great Depression.

The economy's poor health has handed President Barack Obama a tough challenge and put at risk the Democratic Party's majorities in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate in November's mid-term elections.

Obama's approval ratings have tumbled to the mid- to lower 40 percent range and Congress' ratings are hovering at about 20 percent.

The four-week average of new jobless claims, considered a better measure of underlying labor market trends as it irons out week-to-week volatility, rose 8,000 to 482,500, the highest since early December.

Claims for unemployment benefits have been stuck at lofty levels for much of this year, which many economists say points to unemployment staying uncomfortably high for some time.

Claims have not come close to the 400,000 level that most analysts generally view as the dividing line between payrolls growth and contraction. Payrolls grew in the first five months of this year, partly due to hiring for the decennial census, and have declined in both June and July.

The economy grew at a 2.4 percent annualized rate in the second quarter, much slower than the 3.7 percent pace in the first three months of the year.

However, recent trade and business inventory data have indicated a much more sluggish pace. According to a preliminary Reuters survey, the government could lower the second-quarter growth estimate to a rate of about 1.4 percent when it publishes its first revision next Friday.

The number of people still receiving jobless benefits after an initial week of aid fell 13,000 to 4.48 million in the week ended Aug. 7 from an upwardly revised 4.49 million the prior week. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast so-called continuing claims rising to 4.50 million from a previously reported 4.45 million.

"The drop in continued claims is an encouraging sign," said Robert Dye, senior economist at PNC Financial Services in Pittsburgh.

"When you take the life signs on the labor market, it's not all bad news, but it's not where we would like," he added.

The insured unemployment rate, which measures the percentage of the insured labor force that is jobless, was unchanged at 3.5 percent during that period.

The number of people on emergency benefits increased 260,105 to 4.75 million in the week ended July 31.

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#34. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0) (Edited)

This is only a surprise to the myopic morons who are isolated from the real world in the D.C. beltway, state capitals, or ivy league universities.

To the rest of us, it has been obvious all along that there isn't any recovery. I saw a tiny bit of increased economy activity staring in April. It died by July.

Mark my words, next year will be much worse than even 2009. We won't come out of this until the federal government and state governments put their fiscal affairs in order by cutting spending. They should start by eliminating the lavish retirement plans for government bureaucrats. Put them all on 401Ks, where they have to save their own money, like the rest of us.

How many of you think that the politicians will do that voluntarily?

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   11:04:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: jwpegler (#34)

To the rest of us, it has been obvious all along that there isn't any recovery. I saw a tiny bit of increased economy activity staring in April. It died by July.

Our company is having the best year since 2007, but we aren't hiring even though we could. Why? We can't get a line of credit so we don't want to put ourselves in a situation where if there is a fall-off, we would have to again lay people off. However, if the rest of this year goes as well as the first seven months, we probably will add staff in November or December.

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   11:06:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: go65 (#35) (Edited)

And the Conservative plan to create jobs is

I'll tell you mine. jwpegler's 10 point plan for putting America on a long term sustainable path:

1.) Simplify the tax code. Stop taxing job creation (payroll tax), business investment (capital gains), and productive activity (corporate and personal income taxes). Replace all of the above with "smart consumption" taxes -- a broad-based retail sales tax on goods and services, with higher rates on the consumption of fossil fuels, tobacco, alcohol, fast food, luxury items, etc.

2.) Work towards energy independence. We ship more than $300 billion a year overseas to buy oil. My tax plan, which shifts taxes from investment and production to consumption, provides huge incentives for entrepreneurs and scientists to figure out alternatives.

3.) Truly reform the costly healthcare system to bring down costs, by turning Americans into healthcare shoppers. Unlink employment and insurance coverage and replace current employer paid health insurance, Medicaid, CHIP, etc. with mandatory health savings accounts. Everyone must save a minimum of 8% of their income in health savings account. The money can be used to buy insurance or pay incidental medical expenses. Any money not spent is accumulated in a simple interest bearing savings account and is inheritable by your heirs. The government would subsidize low income earners who can't save enough at 8% to buy catastrophic insurance. (For example, I pay $370 a month to cover 5 people on a catastrophic plan, so families making under $55,000 would get a health savings subsidy.) Also, require providers to publish prices for procedures as well as their outcomes. Finally, allow providers to go after the health savings accounts and also garnish the wages of people who were treated by didn't buy health insurance.

4.) Reform the lousy school system. Our success as a nation depends on our scientific and technological prowess, yet the education system doesn't produce kids with enough math and science to prepare them for technical and scientific college programs. Turn every school into a charter school, where only the parents who have kids in the school are allowed to decide how the school operates. Allow parents to hire and fire Principals. Allow Principals to hire and fire teachers. Equalize school funding at a state level. Make the money follow the kids, instead of going directly to the schools. Look at broader school choice initiatives as well.

5.) Simplify our welfare system by replacing the 30 + welfare programs with one cash subsidy for low income earners.

6.) Eliminate the Departments of Agriculture, Energy (except for the nuclear regulatory commission, Los Alamos labs, etc), Commerce, Labor, and Housing / Urban Development. Privatize the Post Office, Amtrack, etc.

7.) Cut government employment, salaries and benefits. Specifically, eliminate the lavish pension programs for government bureaucrats. Put them into 401K plans, where they have to save their own money, like the rest of us. Resend Kennedy's executive order that allowed government employees to unionize.

8.) Bring the troops home. We spend more money on defense than the next 15 countries combined. We can cut the military by 50% and still spend twice as much as China and Russia combined. (I'm not advocating a 50% cut, but a 25% is very realistic if we stop the nation building nonsense around the world.)

9.) Completely overhaul the bureaucratic regulatory system. Rely less on command and control and rely more on the tort system to protect the health and welfare of the population.

10.) Reform the monetary system. There are many better options than relying on a centralized system that was put into place before Airplanes, Cars, Televisions, Credit / Debit cards, Computers, the Internet, and mobile phones.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   12:02:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: jwpegler (#49)

1.) Simplify the tax code. Stop taxing job creation (payroll tax), business investment (capital gains), and productive activity (corporate and personal income taxes). Replace all of the above with "smart consumption" taxes -- a broad-based retail sales tax on goods and services, with higher rates on the consumption of fossil fuels, tobacco, alcohol, fast food, luxury items, etc.

I've long supported the NST, and I like your ideas on targeting some products for higher rates.

2.) Work towards energy independence. We ship more than $300 billion a year overseas to buy oil. My tax plan, which shifts taxes from investment and production to consumption, provides huge incentives for entrepreneurs and scientists to figure out alternatives.

Agree again.

3.) Truly reform the costly healthcare system to bring down costs, by turning Americans into healthcare shoppers. Unlink employment and insurance coverage and replace current employer paid health insurance, Medicaid, CHIP, etc. with mandatory health savings accounts. Everyone must save a minimum of 8% of their income in health savings account. The money can be used to buy insurance or pay incidental medical expenses. Any money not spent is accumulated in a simple interest bearing savings account and is inheritable by your heirs. The government would subsidize low income earners who can't save enough at 8% to buy catastrophic insurance. (For example, I pay $370 a month to cover 5 people on a catastrophic plan, so families making under $55,000 would get a health savings subsidy.) Also, require providers to publish prices for procedures as well as their outcomes. Finally, allow providers to go after the health savings accounts and also garnish the wages of people who were treated by didn't buy health insurance.

I disagree here, I believe that single-payer solution represents the best approach to keeping costs down and expanding access.

4.) Reform the lousy school system. Our success as a nation depends on our scientific and technological prowess, yet the education system doesn't produce kids with enough math and science to prepare them for technical and scientific college programs. Turn every school into a charter school, where only the parents who have kids in the school are allowed to decide how the school operates. Allow parents to hire and fire Principals. Allow Principals to hire and fire teachers. Equalize school funding at a state level. Make the money follow the kids, instead of going directly to the schools. Look at broader school choice initiatives as well.

Fair enough.

5.) Simplify our welfare system by replacing the 30 + welfare programs with one cash subsidy for low income earners.

Fair enough

6.) Eliminate the Departments of Agriculture, Energy (except for the nuclear regulatory commission, Los Alamos labs, etc), Commerce, Labor, and Housing / Urban Development. Privatize the Post Office, Amtrack, etc.

Perhaps, but I would continue to expand support for high speed rail and improving freight rail lines in support of your #2 above.

7.) Cut government employment, salaries and benefits. Specifically, eliminate the lavish pension programs for government bureaucrats. Put them into 401K plans, where they have to save their own money, like the rest of us. Resend Kennedy's executive order that allowed government employees to unionize.

Agreed.

8.) Bring the troops home. We spend more money on defense than the next 15 countries combined. We can cut the military by 50% and still spend twice as much as China and Russia combined. (I'm not advocating a 50% cut, but a 25% is very realistic if we stop the nation building nonsense around the world.)

Double agreed!

9.) Completely overhaul the bureaucratic regulatory system. Rely less on command and control and rely more on the tort system to protect the health and welfare of the population.

Disagree, I don't think you can rely on the tort system when big companies have far more resources than individuals.

10.) Reform the monetary system. There are many better options than relying on a centralized system that was put into place before Airplanes, Cars, Televisions, Credit / Debit cards, Computers, the Internet, and mobile phones.

Perhaps, though I'm not sure what you specifically propose.

Overall a good list. But instead of a serious discussion on these kinds of proposals, we're focused now on a lower Manhattan Mosque.

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   12:27:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: go65 (#52) (Edited)

I believe that single-payer solution represents the best approach to keeping costs down and expanding access.

In 1960 we spent 6% of GDP on healthcare. So did Singapore. We went the socialist route with Medicaid and Medicare. Singapore implemented the plan I outlined here. Today, we spend 16.5% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends 3.7% of GDP on healthcare. We started out at the same place, but wound up in very different places. Singapore has better outcomes as measured by infant mortality and life expectancy.

I don't think you can rely on the tort system when big companies have far more resources than individuals.

Point taken, but the current regulatory maze is too complicated and costly to even understand. There has to be a better way.

though I'm not sure what you specifically propose.

What we have now is a focus on manipulating interest rates, which causes booms and busts. We need to focus on long term price stability. So, I see some form of electronic money (perhaps tied to you cell phone) that is backed by a commodity like gold or tied to the price of a basket of commodities (gold, oil, wheat, etc).

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   12:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: jwpegler (#57)

In 1960 we spent 6% of GDP on healthcare. So did Singapore. We went the socialist route with Medicaid and Medicare. Singapore implemented the plan I outlined here. Today, we spend 16.5% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends 3.7% of GDP on healthcare. We started out at the same place, but would up in very different places. Singapore has better outcomes as measured by infant mortality and life expectancy.

Have you compared what Canada or Israel spend versus the U.S. in terms of percentage of GDP?

We have a half-assed approach here - single payer for seniors and Congress, and a mess of a system for everyone else. There have been numerous studies showing Medicare spends less on overhead than the private system.

The Singapore system is interesting - though it too would fall under the "socialist" label given government enforced price controls and savings mandates.

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   13:03:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: go65 (#61) (Edited)

Have you compared what Canada or Israel spend versus the U.S. in terms of percentage of GDP?

Canada spends over 10% of GDP on healthcare -- less than us, but still not 3.7% like Singapore.

My sister is a nurse in Detroit. Do you realize how many people come across the border from Canada to seek emergency medical attention because their conditions have gone critical while sitting on waiting lists? Canada has a fine medical system, unless you are sick.

We have a half-assed approach here - single payer for seniors and Congress, and a mess of a system for everyone else

100% agree. The system needs to be completely reformed. The Democrats are doing it in the wrong way and the Republicans are clueless as usual.

There have been numerous studies showing Medicare spends less on overhead than the private system.

50% of doctors refuse to take Medicaid and a growing number are refusing to take Medicare. Obama's solution is to cut Medicare even more ($550 billion over the next 10 years) to force more doctors to drop it, which will increase the waiting times, in the hopes that some people will either not seek care or die waiting for care -- just like Canada.

The Singapore system is interesting - though it too would fall under the "socialist" label given government enforced price controls and savings mandates.

Singapore is constantly rated as the second freest economy on earth (next to Hong Kong) by the conservative CATO Institution and the libertarian CATO Institute. They would buy into mandatory savings over the mess we have today and single payer.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   15:43:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: jwpegler (#66)

50% of doctors refuse to take Medicaid and a growing number are refusing to take Medicare. Obama's solution is to cut Medicare even more ($550 billion over the next 10 years) to force more doctors to drop it, which will increase the waiting times, in the hopes that some people will either not seek care or die waiting for care -- just like Canada.

I found it interesting that a group of Republican Congressmen have signed on to a bill that would remove the commission Obama created to cut Medicare spending over the next 10 years because they say that cutting Medicare is the job of Congress, meanwhile they offer no cuts of their own.

Singapore is constantly rated as the second freest economy on earth (next to Hong Kong) by the conservative CATO Institution and the libertarian CATO Institute. They would buy into mandatory savings over the mess we have today and single payer.

I'd argue that any attempt to impose "mandatory" savings would face the same constitutional challenges as the "individual mandate" as well as huge opposition from Conservatives.

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   17:06:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: go65 (#71) (Edited)

I found it interesting that a group of Republican Congressmen have signed on to a bill that would remove the commission Obama created to cut Medicare spending over the next 10 years because they say that cutting Medicare is the job of Congress, meanwhile they offer no cuts of their own.

Yep. I find it fascinating and rather disturbing that the so-called "limited government" Republicans are the ones arguing against cutting Medicare.

Go look at the Tea Party protesters. The core Tea Party folks are for limited government, but a HUGE portion of the people who show to their rallies are senior citizens who don't want their socialism to be cut. Take a good look and you'll see.

I'd argue that any attempt to impose "mandatory" savings would face the same constitutional challenges as the "individual mandate"

Maybe, but I don't agree. You're forced to "save" in your social security "account" today. Of course social security "accounts" are just a fiction, because social security is a pay as you go system. For a long time, people didn't understand that it was a fiction. Regardless, it's long been establishment that the government can force you (and your employer) to "save" for your retirement. It can be done for healthcare too.

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