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Title: Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 (More proof stimulus a failure)
Source: CNBC
URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38768328
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: NA
Post Date: 2010-08-19 09:25:45 by Nebuchadnezzar
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Views: 81809
Comments: 138

Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 Published: Thursday, 19 Aug 2010 | 9:05 AM ET Text Size By: Reuters

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly climbed to a nine-month high last week, yet another setback to the frail economic recovery.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits increased 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 500,000 in the week ended August 14, the highest since mid-November, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast claims slipping to 476,000 from the previously reported 484,000 the prior week, which was revised up to 488,000 in Thursday's report.

A Labor Department official said there was nothing unusual in the state level data. The data covered the survey week for the government's closely watched employment report for August, scheduled for release early next month.

"There are some technical factors out there and the seasonal factors seem to be pushing it up a little bit. But given the trend of claims it looks like the economy ran into a wall in August," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-MitsubishI UFJ in New York.

U.S. stock index futures turned negative after the report, while Treasury debt prices pared losses. The dollar fell against the yen.

A 9.5 percent unemployment rate and weak housing market are hobbling the economy's recovery from its most brutal recession since the Great Depression.

The economy's poor health has handed President Barack Obama a tough challenge and put at risk the Democratic Party's majorities in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate in November's mid-term elections.

Obama's approval ratings have tumbled to the mid- to lower 40 percent range and Congress' ratings are hovering at about 20 percent.

The four-week average of new jobless claims, considered a better measure of underlying labor market trends as it irons out week-to-week volatility, rose 8,000 to 482,500, the highest since early December.

Claims for unemployment benefits have been stuck at lofty levels for much of this year, which many economists say points to unemployment staying uncomfortably high for some time.

Claims have not come close to the 400,000 level that most analysts generally view as the dividing line between payrolls growth and contraction. Payrolls grew in the first five months of this year, partly due to hiring for the decennial census, and have declined in both June and July.

The economy grew at a 2.4 percent annualized rate in the second quarter, much slower than the 3.7 percent pace in the first three months of the year.

However, recent trade and business inventory data have indicated a much more sluggish pace. According to a preliminary Reuters survey, the government could lower the second-quarter growth estimate to a rate of about 1.4 percent when it publishes its first revision next Friday.

The number of people still receiving jobless benefits after an initial week of aid fell 13,000 to 4.48 million in the week ended Aug. 7 from an upwardly revised 4.49 million the prior week. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast so-called continuing claims rising to 4.50 million from a previously reported 4.45 million.

"The drop in continued claims is an encouraging sign," said Robert Dye, senior economist at PNC Financial Services in Pittsburgh.

"When you take the life signs on the labor market, it's not all bad news, but it's not where we would like," he added.

The insured unemployment rate, which measures the percentage of the insured labor force that is jobless, was unchanged at 3.5 percent during that period.

The number of people on emergency benefits increased 260,105 to 4.75 million in the week ended July 31.

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#51. To: jwpegler (#49)

Equalize school funding at a state level. Make the money follow the kids, instead of going directly to the schools. Look at broader school choice initiatives as well.

I don't know how it works in other states, however, in California school funding is equalized at the state level, and money does follow the kids (ADA).

That doesn't mean that all schools have the same amount of money per student. Schools in better off communities get as much a a third of their money from private foundations organized by parents.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   12:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: jwpegler (#49)

1.) Simplify the tax code. Stop taxing job creation (payroll tax), business investment (capital gains), and productive activity (corporate and personal income taxes). Replace all of the above with "smart consumption" taxes -- a broad-based retail sales tax on goods and services, with higher rates on the consumption of fossil fuels, tobacco, alcohol, fast food, luxury items, etc.

I've long supported the NST, and I like your ideas on targeting some products for higher rates.

2.) Work towards energy independence. We ship more than $300 billion a year overseas to buy oil. My tax plan, which shifts taxes from investment and production to consumption, provides huge incentives for entrepreneurs and scientists to figure out alternatives.

Agree again.

3.) Truly reform the costly healthcare system to bring down costs, by turning Americans into healthcare shoppers. Unlink employment and insurance coverage and replace current employer paid health insurance, Medicaid, CHIP, etc. with mandatory health savings accounts. Everyone must save a minimum of 8% of their income in health savings account. The money can be used to buy insurance or pay incidental medical expenses. Any money not spent is accumulated in a simple interest bearing savings account and is inheritable by your heirs. The government would subsidize low income earners who can't save enough at 8% to buy catastrophic insurance. (For example, I pay $370 a month to cover 5 people on a catastrophic plan, so families making under $55,000 would get a health savings subsidy.) Also, require providers to publish prices for procedures as well as their outcomes. Finally, allow providers to go after the health savings accounts and also garnish the wages of people who were treated by didn't buy health insurance.

I disagree here, I believe that single-payer solution represents the best approach to keeping costs down and expanding access.

4.) Reform the lousy school system. Our success as a nation depends on our scientific and technological prowess, yet the education system doesn't produce kids with enough math and science to prepare them for technical and scientific college programs. Turn every school into a charter school, where only the parents who have kids in the school are allowed to decide how the school operates. Allow parents to hire and fire Principals. Allow Principals to hire and fire teachers. Equalize school funding at a state level. Make the money follow the kids, instead of going directly to the schools. Look at broader school choice initiatives as well.

Fair enough.

5.) Simplify our welfare system by replacing the 30 + welfare programs with one cash subsidy for low income earners.

Fair enough

6.) Eliminate the Departments of Agriculture, Energy (except for the nuclear regulatory commission, Los Alamos labs, etc), Commerce, Labor, and Housing / Urban Development. Privatize the Post Office, Amtrack, etc.

Perhaps, but I would continue to expand support for high speed rail and improving freight rail lines in support of your #2 above.

7.) Cut government employment, salaries and benefits. Specifically, eliminate the lavish pension programs for government bureaucrats. Put them into 401K plans, where they have to save their own money, like the rest of us. Resend Kennedy's executive order that allowed government employees to unionize.

Agreed.

8.) Bring the troops home. We spend more money on defense than the next 15 countries combined. We can cut the military by 50% and still spend twice as much as China and Russia combined. (I'm not advocating a 50% cut, but a 25% is very realistic if we stop the nation building nonsense around the world.)

Double agreed!

9.) Completely overhaul the bureaucratic regulatory system. Rely less on command and control and rely more on the tort system to protect the health and welfare of the population.

Disagree, I don't think you can rely on the tort system when big companies have far more resources than individuals.

10.) Reform the monetary system. There are many better options than relying on a centralized system that was put into place before Airplanes, Cars, Televisions, Credit / Debit cards, Computers, the Internet, and mobile phones.

Perhaps, though I'm not sure what you specifically propose.

Overall a good list. But instead of a serious discussion on these kinds of proposals, we're focused now on a lower Manhattan Mosque.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   12:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#51)

I don't know how it works in other states, however, in California school funding is equalized at the state level, and money does follow the kids (ADA).

Most states do not work that way. Money is allocated to the schools (not the kids) based on the amount collected in the district.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   12:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)

No, wrong. The entire point of the stimulus was to get people back to work and keep UE below 8%.

The point of the stimulus was to reverse the direction of the economy which Boy Blunder screwed up even worse than was originally thought. Here's a link to the analysis that you keep lying about.

"It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error. There is the obvious uncertainty that comes from modeling a hypothetical package rather than the final legislation passed by the Congress. But, there is the more fundamental uncertainty that comes with any estimate of the effects of a program. Our estimates of economic relationships and rules of thumb are derived from historical experience and so will not apply exactly in any given episode. Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity."

war  posted on  2010-08-19   12:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: jwpegler (#53)

Most states do not work that way.

Since California preforms at the bottom of the heap, I'm not sure other states would be wise to do school funding the California way.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   12:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: jwpegler (#49) (Edited)

I'm heading back to the beach but your #1...payroll tax and capital gains tax observations are not steeped in reality. Payroll taxes roll to the employee and a relationship between capital gains taxes and business formation are non existent. This isn't a judgment about the wisdom of those taxes. it's a judgment of your characterization of those taxes.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   12:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: go65 (#52) (Edited)

I believe that single-payer solution represents the best approach to keeping costs down and expanding access.

In 1960 we spent 6% of GDP on healthcare. So did Singapore. We went the socialist route with Medicaid and Medicare. Singapore implemented the plan I outlined here. Today, we spend 16.5% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends 3.7% of GDP on healthcare. We started out at the same place, but wound up in very different places. Singapore has better outcomes as measured by infant mortality and life expectancy.

I don't think you can rely on the tort system when big companies have far more resources than individuals.

Point taken, but the current regulatory maze is too complicated and costly to even understand. There has to be a better way.

though I'm not sure what you specifically propose.

What we have now is a focus on manipulating interest rates, which causes booms and busts. We need to focus on long term price stability. So, I see some form of electronic money (perhaps tied to you cell phone) that is backed by a commodity like gold or tied to the price of a basket of commodities (gold, oil, wheat, etc).

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   12:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#56)

Payroll taxes roll to the employee

The employer is responsible for paying half of the payroll taxes. In addition, payroll taxes are truly the one regressive tax we have because they stop at a certain income level (about $100,000 today). So someone making twice the average family income (which is $50,000) pays the exact same amount of payroll taxes as Steven Spielberg who made 6,600 TIMES the average family income.

a relationship between capital gains taxes and business formation are non existent

Untrue. Plus it's not just about business formation, but also about acquiring capital for business expansion.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   12:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lucysmom (#55) (Edited)

Since California preforms at the bottom of the heap, I'm not sure other states would be wise to do school funding the California way.

The school system is broken everywhere except in small number of very wealthy districts.

While California has some charter schools, they are still small in number.

The Gates Foundation has been looking in to Charter Schools for about 10 years. The major thing they found was that its all about having great teachers. Their research shows that there is only half as much variation in student achievement between schools as there is among classrooms in the same school. Great versus ineffective teachers is the issue.

Unfortunately, in the current public school system it is almost impossible to fire a lousy a teacher. The states which give Charter School parents and principals more authority to hire and fire have better outcomes.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   12:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lucysmom (#55)

Since California preforms at the bottom of the heap, I'm not sure other states would be wise to do school funding the California way.

CA isn't even in the top 10 of worst public school systems in the US.

See: http://www.walletpop.com/specials/best-and-worst-public-school-systems-in-us/

If you look at the list of worst 25 public schools, 11 are in South Carolina.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   12:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: jwpegler (#57)

In 1960 we spent 6% of GDP on healthcare. So did Singapore. We went the socialist route with Medicaid and Medicare. Singapore implemented the plan I outlined here. Today, we spend 16.5% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends 3.7% of GDP on healthcare. We started out at the same place, but would up in very different places. Singapore has better outcomes as measured by infant mortality and life expectancy.

Have you compared what Canada or Israel spend versus the U.S. in terms of percentage of GDP?

We have a half-assed approach here - single payer for seniors and Congress, and a mess of a system for everyone else. There have been numerous studies showing Medicare spends less on overhead than the private system.

The Singapore system is interesting - though it too would fall under the "socialist" label given government enforced price controls and savings mandates.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   13:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: jwpegler (#57)

Singapore implemented the plan I outlined here. Today, we spend 16.5% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends 3.7% of GDP on healthcare.

Not exactly.

Public hospitals provide 80 percent of the acute care, setting affordable pricing benchmarks with which private providers compete. Supply-side rules that favor training new family doctors over pricey specialists are more extensive than similar notions Hillary Clinton pushed in the '90s. And in Singapore, if a child is obese, they don't get Rose Garden exhortations from the first lady. They get no lunch and mandatory exercise periods during school.

There's more (including an ample safety net for the poor), but you get the gist: Singapore achieves world-class results thanks to a bold, unconventional synthesis of liberal and conservative approaches. It's further to the left and further to the right than what President Obama or his foes now seek. The island's real ideology is pragmatic problem-solving. It works thanks to cultural traditions that let this eclectic blend flourish. The system is nurtured by talented, highly paid officials who have the luxury of governing for the long-term without being buffeted much by politics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...3/03/AR2010030301396.html

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   13:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#54)

The point of the stimulus was to reverse the direction of the economy which Boy Blunder screwed up even worse than was originally thought. Here's a link to the analysis that you keep lying about.

no, wrong. Obama specifically said that if we passed the stimulus UE would never rise above 8%.

Obviously, he, and you, were terribly wrong.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   15:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#48)

Blaming government for the private sector's bad behavior doesn't make the private sector look any better,

Sorry Lucy, but the regulators of the economy, both in congress and in the executive branch, were out to lunch.

Liar loans were the work of the private sector, not a government mandate.

Wrong. Standards for loans to poeple who couldn't afford homes were relaxed by congressional mandate. Also, the FBI testified before congress in 2006/7 that the number of liar loans in the mortgage industry represented a threat to the security of the United States due to potential economic damage.

Congress did nothing about the FBI warning.

"Minorities" does not equal "bad client".

Sorry, but when congress passes a law which demands that banks invest a certain portion of their portfolio in minority communities and said loans explode in the nation's face it should be called out.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   15:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: lucysmom (#48)

Liar loans

What is a "liar loan" exactly?

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   15:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: go65 (#61) (Edited)

Have you compared what Canada or Israel spend versus the U.S. in terms of percentage of GDP?

Canada spends over 10% of GDP on healthcare -- less than us, but still not 3.7% like Singapore.

My sister is a nurse in Detroit. Do you realize how many people come across the border from Canada to seek emergency medical attention because their conditions have gone critical while sitting on waiting lists? Canada has a fine medical system, unless you are sick.

We have a half-assed approach here - single payer for seniors and Congress, and a mess of a system for everyone else

100% agree. The system needs to be completely reformed. The Democrats are doing it in the wrong way and the Republicans are clueless as usual.

There have been numerous studies showing Medicare spends less on overhead than the private system.

50% of doctors refuse to take Medicaid and a growing number are refusing to take Medicare. Obama's solution is to cut Medicare even more ($550 billion over the next 10 years) to force more doctors to drop it, which will increase the waiting times, in the hopes that some people will either not seek care or die waiting for care -- just like Canada.

The Singapore system is interesting - though it too would fall under the "socialist" label given government enforced price controls and savings mandates.

Singapore is constantly rated as the second freest economy on earth (next to Hong Kong) by the conservative CATO Institution and the libertarian CATO Institute. They would buy into mandatory savings over the mess we have today and single payer.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   15:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#54)

Here's a link to the analysis that you keep lying about.

You mean Democrat Barney Frank keeps lying about.

{{{chuckles}}}

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   16:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#50)

I guess you believe in the free lunch too.

No, but I believe that necessary evils should be minimized, not maximized.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   16:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: jwpegler, lucysmom, mininggold, e_type_jag (#65)

What is a "liar loan" exactly?

It's a loan given to applicants who were knowingly allowed to lie about income by the lenders.

For instance, if Mininggold wanted to purchase a used van as a workplace/home at the truckstop of her choice from a car lot vendor, she would indicate on her loan application that the income derived from her welfare check or night "work" was $200k. The finance person or loan officer would wink-wink and voila! MG just "purchased" that used GMC van plastered with Obama-Biden bumper stickers, "balloons" wedged between the seats, and 268,000 miles on the rebuilt engine. But the reality was that she really did NOT qualify for the loan based on her actual income.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-19   16:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lucysmom, Nebuchadnezzar (#48)

"Minorities" does not equal "bad client".

Semantics.

It does not equal "good credit risk" in too many cases. The government though DID. NOT. CARE.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-19   16:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: jwpegler (#66)

50% of doctors refuse to take Medicaid and a growing number are refusing to take Medicare. Obama's solution is to cut Medicare even more ($550 billion over the next 10 years) to force more doctors to drop it, which will increase the waiting times, in the hopes that some people will either not seek care or die waiting for care -- just like Canada.

I found it interesting that a group of Republican Congressmen have signed on to a bill that would remove the commission Obama created to cut Medicare spending over the next 10 years because they say that cutting Medicare is the job of Congress, meanwhile they offer no cuts of their own.

Singapore is constantly rated as the second freest economy on earth (next to Hong Kong) by the conservative CATO Institution and the libertarian CATO Institute. They would buy into mandatory savings over the mess we have today and single payer.

I'd argue that any attempt to impose "mandatory" savings would face the same constitutional challenges as the "individual mandate" as well as huge opposition from Conservatives.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   17:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#70)

It does not equal "good credit risk" in too many cases. The government though DID. NOT. CARE.

I know. The USG forced banks to lend money to minorities and it blew up in our face.

KA-BOOM!

Yet people like Lucy's Mom insist on heaping all the blame on the private- sector and none of it on the Feds.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   17:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: go65 (#36)

If you truly believe that cutting spending will improve the economy, you need to look at Greece, Ireland, and the Baltics, as well as the U.S. around 1937.

Cutting spending will cut the legs out from the economy, increasing unemployment, increasing the deficit, and reducing tax revenues even further. That's what has happened in every country that has tried austerity during a recession.

You're wrong.

Fire half the federal employees and make them go get a real job. They will have to produce and pay taxes and quit sucking govt tits.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-19   18:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#73)

You're wrong.

No.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html?_r=1&src=busln


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   18:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#72)

The USG forced banks to lend money to minorities and it blew up in our face.

KA-BOOM!

Community Reinvestment Act had zipola to do with current woes. In fact, it's been refuted so often that to continue to blame it for the financial meltdown is outright lying.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   18:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: go65 (#71) (Edited)

I found it interesting that a group of Republican Congressmen have signed on to a bill that would remove the commission Obama created to cut Medicare spending over the next 10 years because they say that cutting Medicare is the job of Congress, meanwhile they offer no cuts of their own.

Yep. I find it fascinating and rather disturbing that the so-called "limited government" Republicans are the ones arguing against cutting Medicare.

Go look at the Tea Party protesters. The core Tea Party folks are for limited government, but a HUGE portion of the people who show to their rallies are senior citizens who don't want their socialism to be cut. Take a good look and you'll see.

I'd argue that any attempt to impose "mandatory" savings would face the same constitutional challenges as the "individual mandate"

Maybe, but I don't agree. You're forced to "save" in your social security "account" today. Of course social security "accounts" are just a fiction, because social security is a pay as you go system. For a long time, people didn't understand that it was a fiction. Regardless, it's long been establishment that the government can force you (and your employer) to "save" for your retirement. It can be done for healthcare too.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-19   18:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#75)

Community Reinvestment Act had zipola to do with current woes. In fact, it's been refuted so often that to continue to blame it for the financial meltdown is outright lying.

Had a good degree to do with it.

Sorry, giving huge loans to people who have a 480 credit score, as dictated by the USG, is a recipe for disaster.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   18:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)

Did you read it?

Obviously you didn't or you wouldn't be lying about it...still.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   20:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#77)

Had a good degree to do with it.

Bullshit.

Fed data show that CRA loan portfolios did not perform any worse, some cases they performed better, than a bank's non CRA portfolio. And a bad credit score had nothing to do with it. CRA was to ensure that banks made the same loans inside of a specific community as it did in other. I live in a county that has very high property values but because of the racial composition of the county, the CRA is in effect.

war  posted on  2010-08-19   20:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

Also, the FBI testified before congress in 2006/7 that the number of liar loans in the mortgage industry represented a threat to the security of the United States due to potential economic damage.

Congress did nothing about the FBI warning.

The FBI did issue warnings in 2004, you're off by 2-3 years.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

Sorry, but when congress passes a law which demands that banks invest a certain portion of their portfolio in minority communities and said loans explode in the nation's face it should be called out.

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: jwpegler (#65)

What is a "liar loan" exactly?

When the lender requires no documentation and makes no effort to verify employment, income, credit history, etc. In many instances the borrower provided correct information only to discover later that it had been altered by the mortgage broker.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Liberator (#70)

It does not equal "good credit risk" in too many cases. The government though DID. NOT. CARE.

The government did not force lenders to make loans to poor credit risks - but that truth kinda ruins the story about how poor people almost brought downs the world's largest economy.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

They were a part of it.

Good lending standards were discarded.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   20:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: lucysmom (#80)

The FBI did issue warnings in 2004, you're off by 2-3 years.

I was comenting on their 2007 testimony.

But thank you. It's good to see Sen. Dodd and Rep. Frank were warned and did NOTHING.

I remember Frank in 2008 saying how great FANNIE/FREDDIE were doing.

And we all know what happened right after that.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   20:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

Wiki disagrees with you.

"He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight"

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   23:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

And Raines testimony:

During a 2008 House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing on the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the financial crisis, including in relation to the Community Reinvestment Act, asked if the CRA provided the "fuel" for increasing subprime loans, former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines said it might have been a catalyst encouraging bad behavior, but it was difficult to know.

THE US GOVERNMENT HAD NO BUSINESS TO FORCE BANKS TO MAKE LOANS.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   23:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#69)

For instance, if Mininggold wanted to purchase a used van as a workplace/home at the truckstop of her choice from a car lot vendor, she would indicate on her loan application that the income derived from her welfare check or night "work" was $200k. The finance person or loan officer would wink-wink and voila! MG just "purchased" that used GMC van plastered with Obama-Biden bumper stickers, "balloons" wedged between the seats, and 268,000 miles on the rebuilt engine. But the reality was that she really did NOT qualify for the loan based on her actual income.

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Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is positively the most hilariously BS overflowing comment from the resident obamunist spent-condom EVER:) "This is WHY I left the GOP in the mid 90's. ." Dwarf

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-08-20   0:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: e_type_jag (#88)

idiot

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-20   0:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#86)

"He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight"

What side are you arguing?

Where in your quote does it say that poor people and the CRA was responsible for the mortgage meltdown? It seems to say that institutions regulated by the CRA preformed better than those that were not.

It’s telling that, amid all the recent recriminations, even lenders have not fingered CRA. That’s because CRA didn’t bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force and relevance. And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA — or any federal regulator. Law didn’t make them lend. The profit motive did. And that is not political correctness. It is correctness. Robert Gordon

Why was the CRA losing force?

Finally, keep in mind that the Bush administration has been weakening CRA enforcement and the law’s reach since the day it took office. The CRA was at its strongest in the 1990s, under the Clinton administration, a period when subprime loans performed quite well. It was only after the Bush administration cut back on CRA enforcement that problems arose...

http://www.businessweek.com/inve...with_subprime_crisis.html

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-20   0:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#86)

Wiki disagrees with you.

No it doesn't. You may want to go back and read what wiki actually said.

"...CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight..."

What is highlighted is not the banking industry.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   7:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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