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Title: Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 (More proof stimulus a failure)
Source: CNBC
URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38768328
Published: Aug 19, 2010
Author: NA
Post Date: 2010-08-19 09:25:45 by Nebuchadnezzar
Keywords: None
Views: 81826
Comments: 138

Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000 Published: Thursday, 19 Aug 2010 | 9:05 AM ET Text Size By: Reuters

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly climbed to a nine-month high last week, yet another setback to the frail economic recovery.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits increased 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 500,000 in the week ended August 14, the highest since mid-November, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast claims slipping to 476,000 from the previously reported 484,000 the prior week, which was revised up to 488,000 in Thursday's report.

A Labor Department official said there was nothing unusual in the state level data. The data covered the survey week for the government's closely watched employment report for August, scheduled for release early next month.

"There are some technical factors out there and the seasonal factors seem to be pushing it up a little bit. But given the trend of claims it looks like the economy ran into a wall in August," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-MitsubishI UFJ in New York.

U.S. stock index futures turned negative after the report, while Treasury debt prices pared losses. The dollar fell against the yen.

A 9.5 percent unemployment rate and weak housing market are hobbling the economy's recovery from its most brutal recession since the Great Depression.

The economy's poor health has handed President Barack Obama a tough challenge and put at risk the Democratic Party's majorities in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate in November's mid-term elections.

Obama's approval ratings have tumbled to the mid- to lower 40 percent range and Congress' ratings are hovering at about 20 percent.

The four-week average of new jobless claims, considered a better measure of underlying labor market trends as it irons out week-to-week volatility, rose 8,000 to 482,500, the highest since early December.

Claims for unemployment benefits have been stuck at lofty levels for much of this year, which many economists say points to unemployment staying uncomfortably high for some time.

Claims have not come close to the 400,000 level that most analysts generally view as the dividing line between payrolls growth and contraction. Payrolls grew in the first five months of this year, partly due to hiring for the decennial census, and have declined in both June and July.

The economy grew at a 2.4 percent annualized rate in the second quarter, much slower than the 3.7 percent pace in the first three months of the year.

However, recent trade and business inventory data have indicated a much more sluggish pace. According to a preliminary Reuters survey, the government could lower the second-quarter growth estimate to a rate of about 1.4 percent when it publishes its first revision next Friday.

The number of people still receiving jobless benefits after an initial week of aid fell 13,000 to 4.48 million in the week ended Aug. 7 from an upwardly revised 4.49 million the prior week. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast so-called continuing claims rising to 4.50 million from a previously reported 4.45 million.

"The drop in continued claims is an encouraging sign," said Robert Dye, senior economist at PNC Financial Services in Pittsburgh.

"When you take the life signs on the labor market, it's not all bad news, but it's not where we would like," he added.

The insured unemployment rate, which measures the percentage of the insured labor force that is jobless, was unchanged at 3.5 percent during that period.

The number of people on emergency benefits increased 260,105 to 4.75 million in the week ended July 31.

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#1. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly climbed to a nine-month high last week, yet another setback to the frail economic recovery.

So tell me again how canceling the unspent stimulus money and cutting spending will create jobs?

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   9:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

So tell me again how canceling the unspent stimulus money and cutting spending will create jobs?

So tell me again how by passing Obama's stimulus we'll keep UE below 8%.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   9:34:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#2)

So tell me again how by passing Obama's stimulus we'll keep UE below 8%.

It didn't, and it was stupid of the Obama administration to make that claim.

However, the stimulus has provided over 2 million jobs. So is your argument that unemployment isn't high enough and should be higher?

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   9:36:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: go65 (#3)

So tell me again how by passing Obama's stimulus we'll keep UE below 8%.

It didn't, and it was stupid of the Obama administration to make that claim.

So you admit Obama is stupid. He doesn't understand basic economics and all he ended up doing was heaping more and more debt on our children and grand-children.

That is criminal in the extreme.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   9:40:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#6)

So you admit Obama is stupid. He doesn't understand basic economics and all he ended up doing was heaping more and more debt on our children and grand-children.

I admit he should have listened to folks like Romer and Krugman instead of thinking that he could win GOP support for the stimulus bill by including nearly $300 billion in tax cuts.

But I also accept that the stimulus has provided over 2 million jobs.

Your plan is to eliminate those jobs, so all I can conclude is that your complaint is that unemployment isn't high enough.

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   9:42:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#7)

But I also accept that the stimulus has provided over 2 million jobs.

Government jobs don't count. You keep saying that 2M number. Let me repeat, government jobs don't count in the ECONOMY.

We're debating the ECONOMY. The economy SUCKS ASS.

All you care about is throwing big numbers around, failing to reveal that many of those "jobs" were census jobs and other make-work jobs.

The American public is furious not at guys like me, but at guys like you who keep blowing smoke up there ass saying how great things are.

You're so delusional you have no idea of what is coming your way in November.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   9:46:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#8)

All you care about is throwing big numbers around, failing to reveal that many of those "jobs" were census jobs and other make-work jobs.

The last jobs report for july showed a drop in government employment and a gain in private sector employment.

Do you not see this as a positive trend?

go65  posted on  2010-08-19   10:46:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#24)

The last jobs report for july showed a drop in government employment and a gain in private sector employment.

Do you not see this as a positive trend?

If I remember, some 70,000 private sector jobs were created.

You need a minimum of 150,000 PS jobs to be created to account for all the new people entering the work-force.

No, your paltry 70,000 isn't even half the number needed to stay at zero growth.

500,000 lost their jobs just last week. That comes to 2,000,000 a month.

Just admit it, stimulus after stimulus after stimulus has failed.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   10:53:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#28)

Just admit it, stimulus after stimulus after stimulus has failed.

So where would we be without the stimulus? If you can't answer that, you can't claim it failed.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   11:21:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#37)

So where would we be without the stimulus? If you can't answer that, you can't claim it failed.

The definition of success was given by President Obama himself. Pass the stimulus and we'll keep unemployment below 8%.

EPIC FAIL.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   11:25:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#39)

The definition of success was given by President Obama himself. Pass the stimulus and we'll keep unemployment below 8%.

EPIC FAIL.

Deregulation that brought us to this point was an epic fail, Obama's stimulus projection just missed its target.

I doubt you see the difference.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   11:45:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#42)

Deregulation that brought us to this point was an epic fail, Obama's stimulus projection just missed its target.

Sorry, Government had the tools to prevent this situation, but do to bad policy -making banks make loans to bad clients (Minorities) and looking the other way at blatant lies, means the government is to blame.

Stop blaming the private sector when government has failed to do it's job.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   11:54:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#45)

Sorry, Government had the tools to prevent this situation...

Blaming government for the private sector's bad behavior doesn't make the private sector look any better,

Liar loans were the work of the private sector, not a government mandate.

"Minorities" does not equal "bad client".

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   12:00:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#48)

Blaming government for the private sector's bad behavior doesn't make the private sector look any better,

Sorry Lucy, but the regulators of the economy, both in congress and in the executive branch, were out to lunch.

Liar loans were the work of the private sector, not a government mandate.

Wrong. Standards for loans to poeple who couldn't afford homes were relaxed by congressional mandate. Also, the FBI testified before congress in 2006/7 that the number of liar loans in the mortgage industry represented a threat to the security of the United States due to potential economic damage.

Congress did nothing about the FBI warning.

"Minorities" does not equal "bad client".

Sorry, but when congress passes a law which demands that banks invest a certain portion of their portfolio in minority communities and said loans explode in the nation's face it should be called out.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   15:27:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

Sorry, but when congress passes a law which demands that banks invest a certain portion of their portfolio in minority communities and said loans explode in the nation's face it should be called out.

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-19   20:23:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: lucysmom (#81)

Those weren't the loans that exploded.

Wiki disagrees with you.

"He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight"

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-19   23:41:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#86)

Wiki disagrees with you.

No it doesn't. You may want to go back and read what wiki actually said.

"...CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight..."

What is highlighted is not the banking industry.

war  posted on  2010-08-20   7:46:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: war (#91)

"...CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight..."

Are you still peddling this bullshit?

Yeah, that's right, most of the loans occurred completely outside of Federal oversight, but you, in your twisted logic want to blame Bush for lack of Federal oversight.

But beyond that, NONE of these loans would have occurred if not for the CRA and the GSEs establishing precedence and market momentum for them. If you think differently, point to how many occurred before those forces came into play.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-20   8:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: no gnu taxes (#93)

Yeah, that's right, most of the loans occurred completely outside of Federal oversight, but you, in your twisted logic want to blame Bush for lack of Federal oversight.

After 911 Bush pulled 500 FBI fraud investigators and reassigned them to domestic terrorism leaving fraud investigations permanently under staffed. That is a pretty effective way to ease up on oversight.

But beyond that, NONE of these loans would have occurred if not for the CRA and the GSEs establishing precedence and market momentum for them. If you think differently, point to how many occurred before those forces came into play.

Fannie Mae was created in 1938 and the CRA was passed in 1977, explain how it took 27 years after the CRA passed for the melt down to occur if they were the cause.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-20   10:37:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: lucysmom (#116)

After 911 Bush pulled 500 FBI fraud investigators and reassigned them to domestic terrorism leaving fraud investigations permanently under staffed.

Irrelevant. Even when the FBI testified about the criminal conduct in the home mortgage business to congress, congress failed to act.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-20   10:53:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#119)

Irrelevant. Even when the FBI testified about the criminal conduct in the home mortgage business to congress, congress failed to act.

Just a guess, but Im betting that you're not referring to the FBI's 2004 testimony before the House subcommittee on housing and community opportunity. That would put the ball solidly back in the GOP court.

"Based on various industry reports and FBI analysis, mortgage fraud is pervasive and growing," Chris Swecker, then assistant director of the criminal investigation division, said in October 2004 before the House subcommittee on housing and community opportunity.

Then Swecker made a chillingly accurate prediction of the coming mortgage meltdown and financial collapse:

"The potential impact of mortgage fraud on financial institutions in the stock market is clear. If fraudulent practices become systemic within the mortgage industry and mortgage fraud is allowed to become unrestrained, it will ultimately place financial institutions at risk and have adverse effects on the stock market."

Swecker went on to describe the scenario that ultimately wrecked financial havoc around the world: "Often mortgage loans sold in secondary markets are used by financial institutions as collateral for other investments. ... When loans sold in the secondary market default and have fraudulent or material misrepresentation ... these loans become a nonperforming asset, and in extreme fraud cases, the mortgage-backed security is worthless. Mortgage fraud losses adversely affect loan-loss reserves, profits, liquidity levels and capitalization ratios, ultimately affecting the soundness of the financial institution itself."

www.seattlepi.com/national/397690_fbiweb28.html

According to the article, the FBI knew there was a problem in 2002, the Bush administration was briefed and chose to do nothing. I'd like to know what the justification for that decision was.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-20   11:37:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#133. To: lucysmom (#121)

Just a guess, but Im betting that you're not referring to the FBI's 2004 testimony before the House subcommittee on housing and community opportunity. That would put the ball solidly back in the GOP court.

Just a guess, but you realize I"m far to the right of the past and current "Republicans".

I won't stand up for them, although they are better than the Marxist who infect D.C. and rule it now.

A pox on both their houses.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-20 22:41:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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