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Title: GOP reminds Biden of recovery forecast [ Biden said Economy fixed in 18 months ]
Source: The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mon ... sed-prediction-on-the-recovery
Published: Aug 17, 2010
Author: Jay Heflin
Post Date: 2010-08-17 16:02:46 by WhiteSands
Keywords: obama, biden, economy
Views: 11655
Comments: 22

Republicans reminded Vice President Biden of the prediction he made that the stimulus would fix the economy in 18 months.

Senate Republicans on Tuesday reminded Vice President Joe Biden of the prediction he made in February of 2009 that the stimulus package would pull the economy out of the recession in 18 months — in August 2010.

"This [stimulus] is about getting this out and spent in 18 months to create 3.5 million jobs," Biden said in February of last year, adding the package contains provisions that "literally drop-kicks us out of this recession."

Republicans point out that the U.S. Department of Labor shows more than 3.3 million jobs have been lost since the stimulus was enacted in February of 2009. The Bureau of Labor Statistics shows the unemployment rate held steady at 9.5 percent in July. The rate was approximately 7.7 percent when Obama signed the stimulus into law.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office in May reported that the stimulus was responsible for creating as many as 2.8 million jobs in the first quarter of 2010. It also said GDP adjusted for inflation increased between 1.7 percent and 4.2 percent over the same time period because of the stimulus.

Since the CBO report, economic indicators appear to have taken a turn for the worse.

The U.S. trade gap last week widened unexpectedly in June, hitting the highest level since October 2008 and sending the Dow tumbling 256 points on Wednesday. Other markets around the globe fell as well. The Federal Reserve last week also readjusted its expectations for a more modest recovery than previously anticipated.

Some economists now argue the recession never ended, despite some economic indicators suggesting otherwise.

"The Great Recession continues," wrote Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under President Clinton, in The Huffington Post on Saturday.

"It's nonsense to think of the economy heading downward again into a double-dip recession when most Americans never emerged from the first dip," he wrote. "We're still in one long Big Dipper." Subscribe to *We Weed Up Voters*

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#1. To: WhiteSands (#0)

The Bureau of Labor Statistics shows the unemployment rate held steady at 9.5 percent in July. The rate was approximately 7.7 percent when Obama signed the stimulus into law.

Those 29 words are the only words you need to know from the story. Everything else is padding or lies.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-17   16:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: WhiteSands (#0)

"literally drop-kicks us out of this recession."

He was speaking as the VP of Kenya. How is the Kenyan economy doing, anyway?

Hondo68  posted on  2010-08-17   16:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: WhiteSands (#0)

Senate Republicans on Tuesday reminded Vice President Joe Biden of the prediction he made in February of 2009 that the stimulus package would pull the economy out of the recession in 18 months — in August 2010.

GDP is growing and we're adding private sector jobs, meaning by all definitions, we're out of the recession.


Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality

go65  posted on  2010-08-17   17:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#3)

Biden lied, Dem hopes for November died...(chuckle)

The economy SUCKS.

And a majority would vote for BUSH today, over your Messiah.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-17   17:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

The rate was approximately 7.7 percent when Obama signed the stimulus into law.

Obama signed the stim on 2/18. Feb's unemployment rate was 8.2%. The survey that was done to determine this rate was done on 2/9-13 which is the early end of the band - the survey is done the week of the 12th unless it's a weekend then it's the following week.

So, no, the rate was not appx. 7.7%.

war  posted on  2010-08-17   18:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#5)

Feb's UE was reported in March. At the moment it was signed we only had data uptil January '09.

At the moment it was signed is critical.

(Nice attempt at misdirection and obfuscation though).

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-17   19:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#6)

Feb's UE was reported in March.

So does that mean that the unemployment rate in February WAS NOT 8.2%?

war  posted on  2010-08-18   10:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

So does that mean that the unemployment rate in February WAS NOT 8.2%?

It means that the known UE when he signed it was 7.7%, like the article said.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-18   10:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#8)

It means that the known UE when he signed it was 7.7%, like the unemployment article said.

If that's what it "means" then it's a lie. The unemployment rate when he signed it was 8.2%. There's no way around that fact.

war  posted on  2010-08-18   12:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#9)

If that's what it "means" then it's a lie. The unemployment rate when he signed it was 8.2%. There's no way around that fact.

Sorry, it's not a lie. At the time he signed it it was 7.7%. He owned this shit-bird the minute he signed it and the UE went up AFTER he signed it.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-18   13:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#10)

At the time he signed it it was 7.7%.

That is an outright lie.

He signed it in February of 2009.

The unemployment rate in February of 2009 was 8.2%.

The only possible case you could make without lying is that the then current unemployment rate was an unknown at the time of the signing. To claim otherwise is a lie.

war  posted on  2010-08-18   13:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

So the dumbass Obama was saying the UE rate wouldn't go above 8% when it was already above 8%?

What a fucking moron, then.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-18   13:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

...Obama was saying the UE rate wouldn't go above 8% when it was already above 8%?

Nope.

That paper was compiled in December '08 and released in January of 2009.

But congrats on avoiding using "Obama" and "nigger" in the same sentence for once.

war  posted on  2010-08-18   13:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#11)

If the UE was 8.2%-don't forget that it might have been that the UE increased to 8.2% due to the signing of the stimulus-when he signed it, than he was a dumb fucker for promising it wouldn't go above 8%.

Man War, don't you get sick of defending this neophyte 24/7? I know I got tired of Bush in 2005.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-18   13:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

rotflmao. Its fun watching the resident liberals slowly twist in the wind, isn't it?

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-18   14:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#14)

If the UE was 8.2%-don't forget that it might have been that the UE increased to 8.2% due to the signing of the stimulus-when he signed it, than he was a dumb fucker for promising it wouldn't go above 8%.

Thye stim was signed AFTER the rate was calculated for the month.

Your own chart showed that the stim worked.

war  posted on  2010-08-18   14:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#16)

Your own chart showed that the stim worked.

No, the chart, and Obama promise, showed the stimulus FAILED.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-18   14:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#17)

Economic activity INCREASED on your chart up until the end of the housing credit.

Are you now claiming that it did not?

war  posted on  2010-08-18   15:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#18)

Economic activity INCREASED on your chart up until the end of the housing credit.

Are you now claiming that it did not?

Irrelevant. I care more about the American worker than some corrupt corporation.

What happens to UE is the most important.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-18   15:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#19)

Irrelevant.

It wasn't irrelevant when you were promoting the chart as omnipotent...

war  posted on  2010-08-18   19:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#20)

It wasn't irrelevant when you were promoting the chart as omnipotent...

1. Which chart? (I don't see one in this thread).

2. This thread was about the failure of the stimulus to reduce UE below 8%.

3. Are you refering to a comment I made on another thread?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-18   22:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#21)

1. Which chart? (I don't see one in this thread).

The one you posted which you claimed was never wrong.

This thread was about the failure of the stimulus to reduce UE below 8%.

This thread is about a strawman?

war  posted on  2010-08-19   10:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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