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Title: Obama under fire over support for mosque near Ground Zero- After a barrage of criticism, president appears to backtrack, saying: 'I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there'
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URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201 ... bama-under-fire-mosque-support
Published: Aug 14, 2010
Author: Paul Harris
Post Date: 2010-08-14 22:52:09 by WhiteSands
Keywords: obama, muslim
Views: 58679
Comments: 98
obama has come under attack from American conservatives for supporting plans to build a mosque two blocks from the site of one of the terror attacks of 11 September 2001. The proposal for a mosque and community centre near the site of the World Trade Centre has attracted a large opposition movement in a fierce argument over religious freedom. At a White House dinner marking Ramadan, Obama said: "As a citizen, and as president, I believe Muslims have the same right to practise their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." But New York Republican congressman Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker, condemned the proposed mosque and the president's comments. He said the mosque would be a symbol of Muslim "triumphalism" and that building it near the site of the 9/11 attacks "would be like putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust museum". Obama appeared last night to retreat from his remarks. "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there," he told reporters while visiting the Gulf Coast. "I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about." The fierce debate over the mosque has dominated newspaper debates in New York for several months and gradually spread nationwide. Opponents of the mosque number many conservatives, including leaders of the Tea Party movement and the former Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, and also relatives of the victims of 9/11 and a Jewish civil rights group, the Anti-Defamation League. Meanwhile one of the most vocal supporters of the mosque is a former star of the Republican party, the New York mayor Michael Bloomberg. The developer behind the mosque welcomed Obama's support. "We are deeply moved and tremendously grateful for our president's words," Sharif el-Gamal told the New York Times.
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#45. To: Mad Dog (#43)
Nah, Spiking trees is discredited and pointless. And you are not Miss Clara, the psychic. As far as my working in the woods, anyone could get the articles about my fall from a tree on 24 July 1998 and the second one goes into detail about my experience in Special Forces, working in the Woods, and my forest and street tree defense. It seems the Register Guard here in Eugene were very fascinated that me, Mike McCarthy had so many years of woods work and was a protester of logging without laws, and my service in the military. So say what you want, but I make no secret of who I am, and the RG verified my service and interviewed Jim Luzzi, my old boss at Greenhill Reforestation. I don't care what your problems are. And I have been open as to who I am since 1995 when I started posting in forums, and there are lots of articles about me that can be ordered from the Register Guard, so it would be pointless to lie about what I have done working in the woods. ;-D
Kind of like what Christians did to Native Americans, Murie. The Cherokees had fully assimilated, but greedy Christian White men drove them from ancestral homeland because they coveted their land. Amusing cartoon, but study Manifest Destiny and the Doctrine of Discovery and how these were important elements 'good Christians' were influenced by when they committed genocide against the indigenous people of the Americas. Your knowledge of history and many other things are very shallow and what you do know about, you don't know well at all.
LOL! You aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the drawer are you weasel boy? Hey weasel boy, my friend was blinded in the late 70's from a spike that one of YOUR "friends" put in a tree in Northern California. Who said anything about your military service one way or the other weasel boy, besides you that is? WE ALL know who and WHAT you are NOW weasel boy. LOL! Who gives phuck about what has or has not been written about you by anybody moron? besides you, and your family, and friends, Which certainly does NOT include me. My "problems"? LMAO!!!!!!! "Dude" you are one weak a$$ed supercilious moron, go peddle your garbage to the weak minded co- eds, I couldn't care less about anything except what you have written here and NOW weasel boy. ------------- "LOL! I've heard your lame excuses before weasel boy, they hold the same validity that they always have, which is NONE. While wearing one of your personas you call others LIARS and HYPOCRITES, which just HAS to be the FUNNIEST thing on the face of this earth! That you TRY to justify your craven LIES just means that you certainly and admittedly are what we all already know you to be weasel boy, a HYPOCRITE and LIAR of the first order. I DON'T expect this simple TRUTH to have any effect on YOU at all LIAR and HYPOCRITE that you admittedly are weasel boy. We have already established that you are a craven LIAR and HYPOCRITE and FRAUD and a FAKE. That's just the simple TRUTH, and that's enough for me and those who read these words , so WE ALL know exactly who and what YOU are weasel boy. As to spiking trees, PHUCK you b!tch, I have a friend who almost lost his eye because one of you bunny huggers spiked a tree he was sawing. "The enemy of MY enemy is MY friend, the friend of MY enemy is MY enemy. " YOU are the friend of America's enemies b!tch, YOU are MY enemy." And btw weasel boy I'm just FINE with that. ESAD.
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grow up...please.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Hmmmm... Perhaps this group should just lease space in the new 'structure', eh?. Legal ramifications if they were denied based on religion? Make my day! {{{chuckle}}}
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
LOL! ANY time that you "discomfort" a libTURD M you can count on them turning to a page in their play book. Weasel boy is on the "pretend that you are intellectually superior" page. Hey it works on the co-eds! Did you know that a newspaper was FASCINATED by "him" also? It's TRUE! "He" told me "him"self, so it's just gotta be true. Right? (Allow me M). WHO CARES? LOL!
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I'm trying to think of something Owe-bama agrees with the majority of Americans about....can't come up with anything.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
And I've seen sawyers injured for all kinds of reasons. The spiking is mostly dangerous to mill workers when a band saw hits them. A fact that seems to escape you. Not to mention spiking was an issue for a short time in the 1980s, and peer pressure from enviros helped end the foolish practice. You don't know much about the issue, and this shows. You are just in it for the baiting, which I just don't care about. That and the name calling are your problem, not mine. I've derailed my chain because of hitting fence post nails, and I didn't suffer any kick pack because I know what I am doing with a saw. I also use less kickback prone chain in areas where nails might be a hazard. In fact, I usually use the same setup Oregon Woods uses on their saws. Later alligator. Do you know how to run a chainsaw? If you need tips on them, I've owned and used them most of my life. ;-D
Yawn ... LOL! You aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the drawer are you weasel boy? Hey weasel boy, my friend was blinded in the late 70's from a spike that one of YOUR "friends" put in a tree in Northern California. Who said anything about your military service one way or the other weasel boy, besides you that is? WE ALL know who and WHAT you are NOW weasel boy. LOL! Who gives phuck about what has or has not been written about you by anybody moron? besides you, and your family, and friends, Which certainly does NOT include me. My "problems"? LMAO!!!!!!! "Dude" you are one weak a$$ed supercilious moron, go peddle your garbage to the weak minded co- eds, I couldn't care less about anything except what you have written here and NOW weasel boy. ------------- "LOL! I've heard your lame excuses before weasel boy, they hold the same validity that they always have, which is NONE. While wearing one of your personas you call others LIARS and HYPOCRITES, which just HAS to be the FUNNIEST thing on the face of this earth! That you TRY to justify your craven LIES just means that you certainly and admittedly are what we all already know you to be weasel boy, a HYPOCRITE and LIAR of the first order. I DON'T expect this simple TRUTH to have any effect on YOU at all LIAR and HYPOCRITE that you admittedly are weasel boy. We have already established that you are a craven LIAR and HYPOCRITE and FRAUD and a FAKE. That's just the simple TRUTH, and that's enough for me and those who read these words , so WE ALL know exactly who and what YOU are weasel boy. As to spiking trees, PHUCK you b!tch, I have a friend who almost lost his eye because one of you bunny huggers spiked a tree he was sawing. "The enemy of MY enemy is MY friend, the friend of MY enemy is MY enemy. " YOU are the friend of America's enemies b!tch, YOU are MY enemy." And btw weasel boy I'm just FINE with that. ESAD.
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Weasel boy is on the "pretend that you are intellectually superior" page. That page must be missing, he's blathering like kunta kinte without his teleprompter...
LOL! WERD!
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And your post is hard to read and jumbled. I'm not sure what you think it is doing, but my guess it probably not doing what you want, as I'm just amused by your wheel spinning. Perhaps you are trying to channel Glennie Becker the pecker, who's to say? ;-D
You feel comfortable playing a shoulder perched parrot to doggie here, because you are quite intellectually shallow. Just a fact Murie, I have always found you amusing since I first saw you in your grandma handle on el pee. Hey, you spell better and have benefited from posting, so it's all good. Though if you would go back to school and learn something besides enough factoids to do more then your usual, "Yeah, what they said" routine, it would be even better. ;-D
LOL! Weasel boy you are such a weak-assed LIAR. I'm calling YOU a LIAR and a FRAUD weasel boy. One apparently with the reading comprehension of a box of rocks. You aren't worth anything but cut and paste. You vile libTURD tool.
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A bark with no bite. As if the world listens to you try to bait and takes this seriously. Again, thanks for sharing ;-D
ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Weasel boy the admitted LIAR and FRAUD talking his usual drivel!! Me thinks thou doth protest too much weasel boy.
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Me thinks I say you say nothing but if someone to the left of you says something, it's a lie. With suce a broad brush attack, you aren't even making the grade as a decent fuckwit, which is what they call people like you on USENET.
LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?
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Oh yeah, like you have a leg to stand on with this. Speaking of lies, what is your past or current handle at el pee? I've also ripped music, programs and movies from limewire and Vuze like millions of others. You are hilarious, pig boy. You don't even sound like your contrived spin has your panties in a knot. As far as your claim I pretended to be female, ever seen me nekked? Maybe I only look like a guy in pictures I have shared with others in forum. Maybe there's a butch dyke in me dying to get out. And for all I know you are Elizabeth Taylor in this forum being a little too frisky for her own good. You are a loser who has thin experience in online forums. But hey, thanks for the entertainment, I am deeply amused.
YAWN ... LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?
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I also tear the 'illegal to remove' tags off mattresses and pillows. Spoof Internet forum accounts isn't all I do now. ;-D
YAWN ... LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?
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Nice spam post you've worked up. Now the real trick is to make one that effects anything. Cheers ;-D
YAWN ... LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?
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You keep spamming the same Byelsin type ramble. Is this now a pissing contest to see who posts last? You make it plain you aren't here to discuss anything or debate the issues. I really don't even believe your crocodile tears about someone with an anon account name in any given forum. The fact everyone else usually is anon and unknown means you would have to be really insane to believe this is above a tail chaser of an issue. Think of something fun to fight about dude. You're just boring, know that? I'm disappointed in you. I had heard you could do better. Not from what I've seen.
LOL! Hey you LYING a$$wipe. The discussion was about you being a LIAR. YOU admitted to LYING. Therefore WE ALL know that you are a LIAR. No further "discussion is required LIAR. Case closed. So SQUIRM. Rationalize. Make ALL the "excuses" that you want to LIAR, they don't change a F ing thing. Your "opinion" means nothing to me weasel boy. You are just another LYING libTURD. Phuck off LIAR. So .... I say AGAIN, ---------------- "YAWN ... LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?" ---------------- What's the matter weasel boy, don't you like being treated in the same way that you libTURD filth treat everyone else? Too F ing bad. The "Alinsky" cuts both ways you libTURD filth. You libTURD filth will never again get any more slack than you give to others you sniveling b!tch.
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Ferret served in Panama. He is not a jerk off.
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Yawn!
Don't worry; the day I take wankers like this serious, Santa will marry the Easter rabbit. This is what you see when someone separately wants to bring heat, and has nothing with which to do so. I find him very amusing, or I wouldn't stop in occasionally to watch the stupid human pet tricks he does. ;-D
I didn't call him a "jerk off". I called him what he is, a LIAR. He's an admitted LIAR NOW. I don't CARE where weasel boy served.
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YAWN ... "Hey you LYING a$$wipe. The discussion was about you being a LIAR. YOU admitted to LYING. Therefore WE ALL know that you are a LIAR. No further "discussion is required LIAR. Case closed. So SQUIRM. Rationalize. Make ALL the "excuses" that you want to LIAR, they don't change a F ing thing. Your "opinion" means nothing to me weasel boy. You are just another LYING libTURD. Phuck off LIAR. So .... I say AGAIN, ---------------- "YAWN ... LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?" ---------------- What's the matter weasel boy, don't you like being treated in the same way that you libTURD filth treat everyone else? Too F ing bad. The "Alinsky" cuts both ways you libTURD filth. You libTURD filth will never again get any more slack than you give to others you sniveling b!tch."
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Heh, Actually, you need ammunition to put people on the defensive. Your game here is to accuse with no point to it to get me to scramble to try to argue meaningless points. Doesn't work like that, Fido. I've posted in political forums a long time. Too long to be manipulated by amateurs as thin intellectually as you. But, thanks for the unintended entertainment you give me anyway. I am highly amused.
LMAO!!!!!!!!! SQUIRM you LYING libTURD c^nt, SQUIRM. HOW am I trying to "manipulate you? you LYING c^nt? And weasel boy I'd set my intelligence and ability for rational and logical thought against yours ANYTIME you foul LYING libTURD c^nt. YOU are an ADMITTED LIAR. End of story b!tch. "Hey you LYING a$$wipe. The discussion was about you being a LIAR. YOU admitted to LYING. Therefore WE ALL know that you are a LIAR. No further "discussion is required LIAR. Case closed. So SQUIRM. Rationalize. Make ALL the "excuses" that you want to LIAR, they don't change a F ing thing. Your "opinion" means nothing to me weasel boy. You are just another LYING libTURD. Phuck off LIAR. So .... I say AGAIN, ---------------- "YAWN ... LOL! Weasel boy you are one weak-assed FRAUD. YOU have admitted to using multiple posting names/handles and PRETENDING to be a female weasel boy! THAT'S called LYING weasel boy, your reasons don't matter. Without ANY doubt I could find LIES that you made while you were LYING about who and what you are weasel boy. But why would I waste the effort? You are already an admitted LIAR and FRAUD weasel boy. No further proof is required. What's the matter weasel boy? did dem nasty 'ol repukelican't and de ebil BOOSH MAKE you LIE?" ---------------- What's the matter weasel boy, don't you like being treated in the same way that you libTURD filth treat everyone else? Too F ing bad. The "Alinsky" cuts both ways you libTURD filth. You libTURD filth will never again get any more slack than you give to others you sniveling LYING libTURD b!tch."
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Actually, your hard to read posts in this thread are generally incomprehensible scroll by material. First, I am liberal as you note, and a feminist; so gender is no big thing to me. Men, women, they are equal in worth. I have no superiority complex about being a man. As for your silly lie talk; these are forums with generally anon posters. I see no lies involved anywhere remotely in even the most general interpretation of your blather. You are projecting nonsense if you postulate I squirm. I, like many was unfairly banned by Goldie, and I spent time with her and Neal - when he was moderator there - talking about forum security and how to minimize disruption. And when I went in in Cornflake Girl, I spent what time I was there talking to Sneaky Pete and others I had missed seeing. So, as I was not disruptive, you spout nonsense. This is more then I need say to you on this, as you are just baiting anyway. But I will go ahead and give you this one benefit of doubt post. Which no doubt will turn out to be a waste of time. Cheers. ;-D
Mad puppy compiles his replies and then cuts and pastes them to the forum. Something Son of Sam might do.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
LOL! Oh I totally agree Montag, it was more than "silly" for YOU to admit that YOU are a LIAR. But now it's empirical isn't it? Yep. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag.
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LOL! "Sucking hind tit" as usual eh faggot? Did your mother have any children that lived?
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The most consistent think about my posting is I can be cutting and as intense as the best of folks. But generally, even people like you don't anger nor upset me. So you are wasting your time trying to get a rise out of me. Feel free to keep trying, but getting upset is something I save for real life situations that warrant it.
Our man child POTUS fucked up again.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Democrats vs Republicans: The false paradigm of American politics People continue to believe in fallacies like the left-right paradigm because they are inclined for some reason- to make decisions based on their feelings, rather than objective logic or rational thought unfortunately.
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#46. To: Murron (#44)
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
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#49. To: go65 (#11)
why is there no outrage over building a shopping mall INSIDE the 1 WTC?
#50. To: Murron, weasel boy (#46)
Your knowledge of history and many other things are very shallow and what you do know about, you don't know well at all.
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#52. To: Mad Dog (#47)
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#54. To: Mad Dog (#50)
ANY time that you "discomfort" a libTURD M you can count on them turning to a page in their play book.
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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
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What paradigm? That is the type of response one would receive from the average voter in the United States today. It reflects the clandestine ignorance of the majority of the populace today. So the question becomes, why does the population continue to believe in the so called, left-right paradigm?
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