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Title: Obama under fire over support for mosque near Ground Zero- After a barrage of criticism, president appears to backtrack, saying: 'I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there'
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guardian.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201 ... bama-under-fire-mosque-support
Published: Aug 14, 2010
Author: Paul Harris
Post Date: 2010-08-14 22:52:09 by WhiteSands
Keywords: obama, muslim
Views: 58548
Comments: 98
obama has come under attack from American conservatives for supporting plans to build a mosque two blocks from the site of one of the terror attacks of 11 September 2001. The proposal for a mosque and community centre near the site of the World Trade Centre has attracted a large opposition movement in a fierce argument over religious freedom. At a White House dinner marking Ramadan, Obama said: "As a citizen, and as president, I believe Muslims have the same right to practise their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." But New York Republican congressman Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker, condemned the proposed mosque and the president's comments. He said the mosque would be a symbol of Muslim "triumphalism" and that building it near the site of the 9/11 attacks "would be like putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust museum". Obama appeared last night to retreat from his remarks. "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there," he told reporters while visiting the Gulf Coast. "I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about." The fierce debate over the mosque has dominated newspaper debates in New York for several months and gradually spread nationwide. Opponents of the mosque number many conservatives, including leaders of the Tea Party movement and the former Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, and also relatives of the victims of 9/11 and a Jewish civil rights group, the Anti-Defamation League. Meanwhile one of the most vocal supporters of the mosque is a former star of the Republican party, the New York mayor Michael Bloomberg. The developer behind the mosque welcomed Obama's support. "We are deeply moved and tremendously grateful for our president's words," Sharif el-Gamal told the New York Times.
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#1. To: WhiteSands (#0)
That lardass doesn't live in New York, unless I've lost touch with reality.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
What a pathetic "leader" this guy is. One minute he's for it, the next minute he's backpeddling. Piss on him.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
" It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"
shoddy reporting - his comments both nights were entirely consistent; under the Constitution religious groups have the ability to do whatever they want on private property. Of course, Conservatives don't support the Constitution.
No they don't.
ok
Of course, Conservatives don't support the Constitution. You are correct. Still I don't support mosques anywhere in America. Let them go back to Arabia.
So you don't support the Constitution either. Glad we cleared that up.
This has to win some kind of award for the worst reporting ever.
You don't support the constitution. If you did you would want to see Obamas papers. Oh and the constitution isn't perfect like the Bible is.
You mean chasing after nutty conspiracy theories is akin to supporting the constitution? Hey, let me ask you something - since the WTC site is "hallowed ground" according to Conservatives, why is there no outrage over building a shopping mall INSIDE the 1 WTC?
You don't support the constitution. You hate the part where you have to be born here to be president. You are not a supporter of America and its constitution.
Baloney. ALL religious groups and even Death Cults must observe zoning laws and run their projects by the local board of adjustments or planning boards.
It's been a quantum leap from "Community Organizer." The only things he does well is alienation, destruction and prevarication. This resume was enough to have him slither into the White House.
I support a thorough psychological evaluation for you though.
LOL! You simpering libTURDS love a "living and breathing" "reality" don't you goat? So you are saying that ALL of the ZONING and PLANNING laws and codes in the USA are un- CONSTITUTIONAL goat? You libTURDS only "support" the CONSTITUTION when you want to don't you goat? 1st amendment GOOD, (if it's libTURDS talking); BAD when anybody else is speaking. 2 nd amendment BAD when we speak, as the founders did, of INDIVIDUAL rights, GOOD when it's the COLLECTIVE "right". etc. etc. etc, Being a libTURD means you make it up as you go along, if the DNC and the messiah "king" obammy SAYS "up is down" well by God! "UP IS DOWN" eh goat? LOL! "HYPOCRISY thy name is libTURD!"
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
Advice I notice you rarely follow. ;-D Now Murron, don't get too angry. You did leave yourself wide open for a retort like this.
You think the shrinks at the APA are nuts for proving homosexuality is normal human sexual behavior, yet you would accept a shrinks help to cure a fellow interlocutor? I smell hypocrisy at work here.
LOL! "Moral" advice from a LYING POS such as you weasel boy? Now THAT'S FUNNY! Who are you today weasel boy? cornhole flake girl? mikeyK? weasel boy? LOL! You are nothing but a foul lying libTURD hypocrite whore/FOOL/tool b!tch. I bet "holiday" dinners at your house are a real BLAST! How EVER do you decide which one of your yous carves the tofu at your Kwanza dinner weasel boy? LMAO!!!!!
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
I'm my usual, happy stink weasel self, cup cake. How goes it today? Doing your usual Sunday pleasure activity of dipping kitties in petrol and setting them on fire? I'm sure you're up to something like that.
You into signing the editorial work of others now, Reb-ewe ? ROTFLMAO!
Just a reminder, muslims (along with Christians, Jews, and probably some Buddhists) died during 9/11. The killers cared mostly about body count.
Not really cupcake, I get more pleasure out of target shooting posters of traitors...and dreaming of the day they're all tried for TREASON, found GUILTY, and Hanged by the neck till they are dead...in front of Independence Hall!
No, you just just plain smell. Must be the weasel pheromones. Now Mikey, don't get too angry. You did leave yourself wide open for a retort like this.
Just a reminder to you too, Islam worshipers do not care who they kill when slaughtering their enemies, they will kill their own, sending their own children out as human bombs should have given you a clue...
Whatsmatta? Can't say it? The MUSLIM killers cared mostly about INFIDEL count. Oh, and here's another reminder - the Muzzies who hit the WTC and Pentagon murdered in the name of Allah.
May I share my dream with yours? I have a dream....that idiots and traitors are NOT judged by the color of their skin, but by their kooky, pro-Muslim treachery and statist fascism - I HAVE A DREAM!
Fanatics and terrorists don't care who they kill. Not every Muslim is a terrorist or a fanatic. And not every non-Muslim is a peacemaker. "Onward Christian soliders, marching as to war..." There are no "holy" wars.
But...but...that's just more racism and Islamophobic lies.../s By Clue #1001 Suzanne and the other "enlightened" pro-commie goofballs MIGHT get it. But by that time she'll be wearing a burka and no one will recognize her anyway.
Do you have ANY clue? Do you live in a cocoon?
No, no cocoon here; I see things. I see terrorists using religion as a way of whipping up fervor within a typically undereducated largely young male population—which is a population all-to-willing to take on “feats of daring- do.” And are there radical clerics? Certainly, yes. Again, hard to tell if they’re really zealots or just fronting for terrorists. I also see moderate Muslims who are just as protective of their families as anyone else I know. They’re reasonably well-educated and are mature enough not to see matters simply in terms of black or white. I see this as a struggle of moderation over extremism and of knowledge over ignorance.
Nope "cornhole flake girl", "weasel boy", "mikeymoronK", whatever. The ONLY dumb animals that I have EVER abused and tortured are you simpering libTURD whores/FOOLS/tools. You are the one who supports "spiking trees" etc weasel boy.
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
Uh Oh! Now you've made "weasel boy"/"cornhole flake girl"/"mikeymoronK"/whatever, et. al. SOIL themselves! GOOD WORK! LOL!
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
I think there are. Maybe not this one but there are and can be.
I also see moderate Muslims who are just as protective of their families as anyone else I know. They’re reasonably well-educated and are mature enough not to see matters simply in terms of black or white. I see this as a struggle of moderation over extremism and of knowledge over ignorance. Suzanne the Koran is an evil book. It promotes pure evil. So any muslim who takes it seriously is brainwashed and dangerous. I would agree with you that some people who call themselves muslims aren't taking the words in the Koran literally. They are just like the rest of us wanting what is best for their families etc. They should get a different religion though.
I have yet to see a war where innocents aren't slaughtered or victims of unspeakable crimes, or where the soldiers don't give up some of their own humanity--in addition to limbs. I think there are justifiable wars, but I have yet to see a "holy" war.
Fair enough. I haven't seen a holy war either. My point is only that it is possible. I would say that Israel in the old testament fought some holy wars.
One person's smelly ferret is another's robustly scented fur kid. I left open the door of differences in perspective. And I've owned and bred ferrets almost thirty years. You have nothing on the topic to say that would remotely bother me. But thanks for sharing.
I can't exactly give eyewitness testimony to that statement (LOL).
Actually, I worked in the wood many years and am currently on call to work as a wild land firefighter. Tree spiking has not been supported by forest activists with any common sense. The others who played with the concept in the 80s quit that stupidity in that decade and it has not been done in ages. I've worked doing fire trail and done pre-commercial tree thinning with my chainsaws. It would be stupid to risk hurting a fellow woods worker when it's those above the glass ceiling that worked to lose 1.5 billion dollars in timber sales last year in industry and government who are those targeted by rancor. It doesn't even bother me to use female returning bannee accounts, or even girl avs in on line multi player games. So how the heck do you expect your thin words on the topic to even muss my hair, micro dick? It has no bearing on my life or physicality in real time. ;-D Heh
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#2. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#3. To: WhiteSands (#0)
"I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there, I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding."
#4. To: WhiteSands (#0)
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#5. To: go65 (#4)
religious groups have the ability to do whatever they want on private property
#6. To: WhiteSands (#0)
But New York Republican congressman Newt Gingrich,
#7. To: go65 (#4)
shoddy reporting - his comments both nights were entirely consistent; under the Constitution religious groups have the ability to do whatever they want on private property.
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Still I don't support mosques anywhere in America. Let them go back to Arabia.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#9. To: Fred Mertz, whitesands (#1)
That lardass doesn't live in New York, unless I've lost touch with reality.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#10. To: go65 (#8)
#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)
You don't support the constitution. If you did you would want to see Obamas papers.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#12. To: go65 (#11)
#13. To: go65 (#4)
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under the Constitution religious groups have the ability to do whatever they want on private property.
#14. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#2)
What a pathetic "leader" this guy is.
#15. To: go65 (#4)
Of course, Conservatives don't support the Constitution.
#16. To: go65, whitesands (#4)
#17. To: Murron (#3)
" It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"
#18. To: Liberator (#15)
"I support a thorough psychological evaluation for you though."
#19. To: Ferret Mikemurron (#17)
#20. To: Mad Dog (#19)
#21. To: Mad Dog, corn flake girl (#19)
#22. To: Murron (#21)
#23. To: Murron (#21)
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
#25. To: Ferret Mike, Murron (#18)
I smell hypocrisy at work here.
#26. To: Suzanne (#23)
(Edited)
Just a reminder, muslims (along with Christians, Jews, and probably some Buddhists) died during 9/11. The killers cared mostly about body count
#27. To: Suzanne, Murron (#23)
Just a reminder, muslims (along with Christians, Jews, and probably some Buddhists) died during 9/11. The killers cared mostly about body count.
#28. To: Murron, Muslim Death Cultists and their aiders and abettors (#24)
I get more pleasure out of target shooting posters of traitors...and dreaming of the day they're all tried for TREASON, found GUILTY, and Hanged by the neck till they are dead...in front of Independence Hall!
#29. To: Murron (#26)
Islam worshipers do not care who they kill
#30. To: Murron, Suzanne (#26)
Just a reminder to you too, Islam worshipers do not care who they kill when slaughtering their enemies, they will kill their own, sending their own children out as human bombs should have given you a clue...
#31. To: Suzanne (#29)
"Onward Christian soliders, marching as to war..."
#32. To: Liberator (#31)
Do you live in a cocoon?
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
(Edited)
#34. To: Murron (#21)
#35. To: Suzanne (#29)
There are no "holy" wars.
#36. To: Suzanne (#32)
No, no cocoon here; I see things. I see terrorists using religion as a way of whipping up fervor within a typically undereducated largely young male population—which is a population all-to-willing to take on “feats of daring- do.” And are there radical clerics? Certainly, yes. Again, hard to tell if they’re really zealots or just fronting for terrorists.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)
I think there are. Maybe not this one but there are and can be.
#38. To: Suzanne (#37)
I have yet to see a war where innocents aren't slaughtered or victims of unspeakable crimes, or where the soldiers don't give up some of their own humanity--in addition to limbs. I think there are justifiable wars, but I have yet to see a "holy" war.
#39. To: Liberator (#25)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#38)
I would say that Israel in the old testament fought some holy wars.
#41. To: Mad Dog (#33)
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