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Title: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion to deficit, panel finds
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The Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... 010/08/11/AR2010081105864.html
Published: Aug 12, 2010
Author: Lori Montgomery
Post Date: 2010-08-14 09:53:34 by lucysmom
Keywords: Tax, Deficit, Economy
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Comments: 89
A Republican plan to extend tax cuts for the rich would add more than $36 billion to the federal deficit next year -- and transfer the bulk of that cash into the pockets of the nation's millionaires, according to a congressional analysis released Wednesday. New data from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation show that households earning more than $1 million a year would reap nearly $31 billion in tax breaks under the GOP plan in 2011, for an average tax cut per household of about $100,000. ... Republicans accuse Democrats of plotting one of the biggest tax hikes in American history, arguing that raising taxes on wealthy households would punish the very people capable of creating jobs, spurring economic growth and reducing the 9.5 percent unemployment rate. About half of all small-business income is reported on the individual returns of people making over $250,000 a year, according to the taxation committee's data, though those taxpayers represent only about 3 percent of small businesses.
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#1. To: lucysmom (#0)
Yep, no bias there! Go ahead and let them expire. Watch the fireworks!
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
This whole thing is nothing more than a shell game. Yes,the neo-con RINO's want to reward their wealthy bosses,and there is no question this will increase the deficit. What the Dims are whining about and not telling you is that THEY are doing everything they can do to increase the deficit by buying votes with money we don't have. Neither branch of the ruling party is interested in reducing the deficit and making life better for the working classes. What they are interested in doing is keeping the support of their bases by giving them what they want and damn the costs. If you want to balance the budget you do it by not granting any more tax breaks and by cutting spending. Folks,this ain't rocket science.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No doubt. The wealthy are a small but vocal group especially since money=free speech.
Well there was a moment during the 90s... Unfortunately as soon as Republicans had it all they forgot about balancing the budget.
Nobody has ever received a job from a poor man, goofy.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I really want to argue with you about that because they weren't really Republicans. They were and are RINO's. I can't because the RINO's have now taken over and they control the party.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
On the other hand, many poor men have made their own jobs. When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? Perhaps you've been brain-washed to believe that without the rich to "receive a job from", you'd be nothing.
They're not RINOs, they're neocons.
I can't because the RINO's have now taken over and they control the party. Rinos have always controlled the party. Always. You are the real Rino.
You must be a billionaire, lucygoosey!
That is generally how one becomes wealthy.
Wars don't pay for themselves. We had a deficit before the war, you wanted a war, you go the war. Pay for it.
No truer words were ever spoken. The Bush family and Kristol's neo-commie hoards deserve our eternal scorn for destroying the GOP and the country.
The country isn't destroyed......yet, drama queen.
"Yet" is the operative word. We are still not done with the economic turmoil that Bush created (and Obama made worse). We're not even close to being done. 2011 will be much wore than this year and even 2009. Just watch.
The "economic turmoil" was the result of NAFTA and Americans demand for cheap imported products. Perot predicted the "sucking sounds" and he was right on the money.
Incorrect. The turmoil was the result of Bush and his GOP Congress acting like Democrats -- creating new entitlement programs, increasing discretionary spending, spending $1 TRILLION to invade a country that never attacked us and that wasn't a treat to us, and more. They turned a balanced budget into a huge annual deficit. In the end, the handed $700 BILLION to Wall Street firms who promptly lavished it on FAILED executives. Ben Bernanke (who BUSH appointed to Federal Reserve Chairman) is culpable as well. The Bush family are a bunch of low budget Kennedys. They are all corrupt and clueless. The Bush family destroyed the GOP and now the country. I hope they all rot in hell.
No, it is exactly as Perot stated. The "sucking sound" began with NAFTA and has gotten progressively worse. What party was the majority in congress when the 700 million was handed to Wall Street?
Man are you stupid. 50% of those in the top bracket, ya dumb bitch, are small businessmen who file S paperwork with the IRS. Duh.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
This was George Bush's plan. The Bush administration concocted it. Bush pushed it. Yes, the Democratic Congress passed it with a lot of Republican votes. They are both culpable and should be held accountable. George Bush and his Republican Congress passed even more costly domestic programs as well as the misguided, useless, demented, and costly Iraq War. The Bush family is the scum of the earth and it makes me crazy to hear so-called "conservatives" worship at his feet.
Nice shill! I used to be poor, till I started my own business and freed myself of the nine-to-five insanity. But, most poor people are poor because they are lazy. Sorry, I ate their lunch because they were too lazy to emulate me and my success. Fuck'em.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
it makes me crazy to hear so-called "conservatives" worship at his feet. Yet you failed to hold them even partially responsible until I dragged it out of you. While you pretend to be "conservative" and worship Obama and the dumbocraps. You're not fooling anyone.
I'm very sick of this B.S. The average family earned about $50,000 last year. Families who earn $250,000 a year are not "rich" as Obama claims. $250,000 is only 5 times more than what the average family earned. Most of these families are either in two income homes or they own a small business, where they work 12 hours a day. Steven Spielberg earned $330,000,000 last year. That's 6,600 TIMES what the average family earned. Oprah Winfrey and Lloyd Blankfein (the CEO of Goldman Sachs who took our government bailout money) both made about $50,000,000 last year -- 1,000 times as much as the average family. Kobe Bryant also earned almost 50,000,000 in team compensation and promotions. 5 TIMES versus 6,600 TIMES or 1,000 TIMES. Yet, according to mindless leftists, the people earning 5 times as much are evil "rich" who need to pay taxes through the nose. BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT. A lot of these people are in as much trouble with the housing collapse, 401K collapse, etc. as everyone else. Think about this: the term "millionaire" was created in the early 20th century, when today's dollar was worth 6 cents. You'd have to be worth at least $16 MILLION today to be a "millionaire". The left is all about government power. They'll concoct any definition, no matter how untrue, to hang on to power and steal as much money as possible from us. To hell with that.
ROTFLMAO. You haven't dragged anything out of me. I'm here to chastise you Bush worshipers who love licking his stinky feet (and unfortunately much more). I've been blogging about politics for a few years. I'm an equal opportunity basher. Read it here
Peoples money or collectives money? The people will piss it away on cars trips and espresso machines. The government : on bombs and vote buys.
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The people will piss it away on cars trips and espresso machines. The government : on bombs and vote buys. No contest - right, Lucy?
______________________________________________________________________________ You're a fraud, an Obamasskisser and liberal apologist. You aren't fooling anybody.
The term "millionaire" applies to someone with at least a million dollars in assets, we're talking about annual income, not total assets. Here's a link comparing Democrat and GOP plans
Neo-cons ARE RINO's.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Right.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And they did it on purpose.That was a part of the plan. You can't create a new system until you destroy the old system.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Neocons are radical, RINOs are moderate.
The neo-cons are the bosses,and the RINO's are the flunkies that take orders.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No, but your combination of mental retardation and personal obnoxiousness is unparalleled.
And families who make a mere 5 times the average family income are NOT "rich" and don't deserved to be put in the same category as Stephen Speilberg who earned 6,600 TIMES the average family income last year or Lloyd Blankfien who earned 1,000 TIMES the average family income last year.
Where does Reagan fit on that scale? Is he just right as in Goldi lox and the three bears story?
You moonbats need to coordinate your talking points. http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12239
They're not. Families making 20 times the average family income are.
What is the number you are discussing? Is it the 250,000 Obama talked about during the election.
And they did it on purpose.That was a part of the plan. I don't think you are stupid, so why do you make such dumbass statements? The balanced budget was the result of of a dot com bubble, the end of the cold war, and obstinate divided government. 911 happened as did the burst of the tech bubble. Until the housing market started to fall apart in 2007, deficits were falling.
Reagan was a actual right-winger. A true conservative. Where you are making your mistake is pegging neo-cons/RINO's as right-wingers. They are not. They are leftists working for maximum government control and minimal individual rights for subjects. Notice I didn't use the word "citizens".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In other words,a mistake. A mistake that Boy Jorge and Barry Soetoro were and are determined to correct.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I make no mistake. I was asking whoever it was a question. You're not a right winger though. No right winger can be pro faggot.
Once again you are confused and wrong. Twice. First off,you think you are a right-winger. You ain't. You are a left-winger. A Fascist that wants government control over the personal lives of individuals. You are also wrong about me being pro-faggot. It's not about being "pro-faggot", It is about being pro-freedom. Something else you clearly don't approve of.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You are pro faggot. You want to redefine words for people who belong in a mental institution. I am right wing. You are a leftist pro faggot. But I'm with you about 30 percent of the time.
No,I am pro-individual freedoms and for a smaller government. Unlike yuo. I am right wing. You are a leftist pro faggot. What you are is a delusional fascist.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Fascist. What a stupid statement. I am pro freedom, pro constitution. I'm smart. You're dumb.
"Cepting fur them dam queers,atheists,n enybodie else ah doan lak",right? I'm smart. You're dumb. Uh,huh.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Look Pete. Why can't you respect people and the fact that marriage has always been between a man and a woman? You are championing a fundamental change in our society and culture. Most of the country correctly disagrees with you. Why can't you and your homosexual friends be happy not screwing with our institutions? Are you not happy with anything virtuous left in this country? Does everything in our culture have to be destroyed to make you godless fools happy?
Nobody has ever received a job from a poor man, goofy. On the other hand, many poor men have made their own jobs. Yep, which is why I don't support subsidizing 'poor people'. Thanks for pointing this out, goofy.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Nobody has ever received a job from a poor man, goofy. Wars don't pay for themselves. We had a deficit before the war, you wanted a war, you go the war. Pay for it Actually, some wars do in fact 'pay for themselves' so you are incorrect. Yep, we had a deficit before the war. We've been running deficits for about 50 years now. Whats your point? Next up, I didn't 'want a war'. Unfortunately, we had no choice in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Both governments at the time the wars began had many opportunities to avoid 'war', they choose this path on their own. As the old saying goes 'We regret the actions others force us to take'. It applies here. Finally, only a brain dead liberal can suggest 'the wars' created the staggering deficits we now face. You should enter a basic math or general accounting class to avoid saying something like this in a public forum, and inadvertently humiliating yourself. Have a nice day.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Look Pete. Why can't you respect people and the fact that marriage has always been between a man and a woman? Flight had always been restricted to birds before the airplane was invented. Does that mean nobody should fly now? You are championing a fundamental change in our society and culture. No,I am NOT. I am championing individual freedom. NOWHERE have I even hinted at demanding that you or anyone else suddenly approve of homosexual marriages. See,the thing about this country is that our freedoms are not dependent on the wishes of others. It's not up for a vote. Most of the country correctly disagrees with you. Then most of the country is wrong. I think you are wrong about this,though. I doubt most of the country really gives a damn one way or the other. Why can't you and your homosexual friends be happy not screwing with our institutions? As far as I know,I don't have any homosexual friends. I have been friendly with homosexuals in the past,but don't have much in common with them and don't really like being around them very much. None of which means I think they are deserving of less freedoms than I have. Are you not happy with anything virtuous left in this country? Does everything in our culture have to be destroyed to make you godless fools happy? Give me a bleeping break! Organized religion makes the mafia look like the Boy Scouts by comparison.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Do you mean budget deficits that did not include the cost of two wars?
Everyone is for their own freedom. To be pro Constitution means that you recognize that freedom even extends to those you don't approve of.
Only the well off are worthy of your subsidy.
Surprised you feel this way.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
The top tax bracket applies to families who make 5 times the average family income. Obama and the Democrats want to raise this tax bracket from 35% to 40%.
100% correct! Neo-conservativism was founded by Bill Krisol's father (Irving). Irving Kristol was Trotskyite. I have no regret about that episode in my life. Joining a radical movement when one is young is very much like falling in love when one is young... But my feelings toward those radical days are even more positive than this kind of general reflection suggests. For the truth is that being a young radical was not simply part of my college experience; it was practically the whole of it. His son is one of the key leaders of the neo-cons. Bill Kristol spent most of the early Bush Administration arguing for big government, which he called "government greatness conservatism". Bush tried to softness this term, calling it "compassionate conservatism". Yes, some of the "ends" of the neo-cons have changed, but their "means" remain the same as the left -- lie, cheat, steal, murder, whatever it takes. I was always taught that the ends do not justify the means. Like the hard left, the neo-cons don't agree. Ex-communists run the "conservative movement" today. This is not hyperbole, it's a fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2010/08/11/GR2010081106717.html?sid=ST2010081200375 Doesn't look that way to me.
Well yeah, the ones where the victor rapes and pillages the defeated population. When did the U.S. ever do this? Never. Our wars never pay for themselves. Sometimes wars are necessary. The Cold War comes to mind. The Iraq cost us at least $800 billion and 4,400 American kid's lives (to date) and was completely unnecessary. We will be paying for this for a long, long time.
The average family makes about $50K a year. The top tax bracket applies to families who make $250K a year. $250K / $50K = 5. Not 6,600 (Spielberg), 1,000 (Oprah and Lloyd Blankfien of Goldman Sachs). It equals a lousy 5. It's 2nd grade math. The Democrats have made no secret that they want to raise the tax rates of families making $250K a year from 35% to 40%. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. Your chart shows ONE POTENTIAL IMPACT based on some set of assumptions (size of mortgage, medical bills, earned versus "unearned" income, etc.) which may or may not be true in general and are certainly not true for the vast majority of people in that income bracket. I'm not making ANY assumptions AT ALL. Obama and the Democrats want to raise taxes on people making a lousy 5 times the average family income. How do I know this? Because they have repeatedly said so. There's an old adage that is instructive for you here. Statics can be made to lie. You are relying on someone's flawed and biased statistical analysis. I am simply citing Obama and the Democrats, who are hell bent on raising taxes for families who make a lousy 5 times the average family income because they claim that these people are "rich". No they are not "rich". Many people who were in this income bracket a couple of years ago are struggling today.
Post #59 -- thought you'd be interested
And people who consider themselves to be conservatives are STILL voting for them in the vain hope that if they keep voting for fascists,the fascists will quit promoting fascist candidates. The classic definition of insanity is to keep doing the things you have been doing repeatedly,and expect a different outcome. The FACT is the more you vote for and support RINO's,the more RINO's you will get to vote for.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If all you ever voted for every year was Bush you would be correct. But bush doesn't equal Palin doesn't equal McCain doesn't equal Gingrich doesn't equal Huckabee, doesn't equal Rand Paul. They are all individuals.
Thanks.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Other than Rand Paul,yes it does. Gingrich used to be the hope of conservatives everywhere,but the Dims working with their RINO pals slapped him back into his place. Most likely by using blackmail of some sort. The blackmail material may be so out of date by now that it no longer applies,but IMHO he still can't be trusted. He may be planning on taking the Perot Spot if a independent conservative movement starts to draw a lot of traction. They are all individuals. Yes,and other than Paul,they all have the same paymasters.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Rand Paul is against redefining marriage to include two faggots doing perverted stuff.
Oh and you are wrong. They don't equal each other. They all have unique positions.
If you say so. Does he propose any laws to punish them for acting like priests?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Surrre,they do. Just keep telling yourself that. BTW,did you know that Bush was a conservative?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Surrre,they do. Just keep telling yourself that. BTW,did you know that Bush was a conservative? Bush gave us two conservative supreme court justices. You're an idiot if you think that their positions are all identical. All I have to do is name one thing that they differ on and you are wrong. I could name dozens or probably hundreds if I took the time.
I think it was in fact 'necessary' and the long term impact will be viewed as the turning point in the Middle East. Just my opinion, obviously we won't know for a couple of decades.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I think it was in fact 'necessary' Why? the long term impact will be viewed as the turning point in the Middle East Yeah, that's what the neo-commies claim. But they also claim we need to invade Iran, Syria, and Lebanon to get that "turning point" situated. No thanks. War mongering and nation building were anathema to the founders because they knew a.) you can't force "democracy" on others and b.) we'd go bankrupt if we tried. obviously we won't know for a couple of decades. More people where killed in Iraq in July than any month since the war started. There was a major bombing about a week ago that killed 60 people, and another one yesterday. The two major Shiite political parties (which are allied with Iran) are stalemated and the Sunnis are completely locked out (which is why they are throwing bombs). Iraq could degenerate into civil war very easily. When it does, the entire middle could be destabilized, starting with the Iraqi Kurds agitating and terrorizing to bring about a Kurdish state (which would threaten Turkey's stability, given that huge Kurdish populations inhabit regions far into the heart of Turkey). The winner in all of this will be Iran, who are allied with the Shiites in Iraq.
Why? Because the only way to end the bullshit in the Middle East is to get average people involved in selecting their leadership.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
So we're going to force democracy down their throats whether they like it or not. Great, there are over 100 countries in the world aren't democracies. Are you prepared to bankrupt America and kill countless American kids to take care of them all? Oh, just in the middle east? Great. We already know that you neo-commies want to pummel Iran (which does allow "average people to get involved in selecting it's leaders"). On the other hand, our buddies in Saudi Arabia run the most brutal regime in the world. Should we invade them too? How about our dictator buddy in Egypt? Or the rest of the Gulf Sheikdoms, none of which let "average people get involved in selecting their leadership". Two important questions: A.) Why is this any of our business? B.) How much money and blood are you willing to waste on this?
Because the only way to end the bullshit in the Middle East is to get average people involved in selecting their leadership. So we're going to force democracy down their throats whether they like it or not. Great, there are over 100 countries in the world aren't democracies. 'So we're going to force democracy down their throats whether they like it or not.' Its that or continue killing them on a regular basis, and suffering attacks like we did on 9/11 in my view. 'Great, there are over 100 countries in the world aren't democracies.' Yep. And out of this strawman you bring up, how many are supporting international terrorism against us? 1st Rule of Holes applies here.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
About six, unless you believe the Israelis then all. Evidently you're just another blood dancer. But I doubt you will sacrifice any personal blood to the effort, just other people's and those burnt sacrifices while you mock their stupidity behind their backs..
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Yep. And out of this strawman you bring up, how many are supporting international terrorism against us? About six... Yep, which debunks his entire post. Appreciate it. btw, I'm a vet. I did my part when I was young. Tell the forum, what have YOU done to help the nation in your life?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
During peacetime. Until a few years ago that wouldn't have qualified you for a stay at a Vet's home. Please don't equate your 'seeing the world cruise' with wartime duty.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
All of the ones where the U.S. government continued to prop up dictators after the Cold War ended, including and especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia. What terrorist act did Sadam Hussein perpetrate on the U.S.??? None. On the other hand bin Laden is related to the Saudi Royal family and 15 of the 9/11 terrorists were from Egypt. We spend more money on the military than the next 15 countries combined. It can't be sustained any longer.
btw, I'm a vet. I did my part when I was young. During peacetime. Until a few years ago that wouldn't have qualified you for a stay at a Vet's home. Please don't equate your 'seeing the world cruise' with wartime duty. Fuck off, bitch. Sheesh. Yeah, the Cold War was just a day at the fuckin beach.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
You need to pick a argument and stick with it.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I am. You neo-commies on the other hand cannot make any legitimate case on how Saddam Hussein was a threat to the U.S.
Don't feel the need. He attacked our planes 750 times AFTER the Gulf War. The first one was reason enough.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
So... after the U.S. government invaded his country, he tried to defend himself and it's somehow his fault. Right...
Right... Intentional misstating the facts related to my post, or are you just ignorant of the cease fire agreement signed concluding the ground war?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
You'd be Ok with attacking Russia for invading airspace. NeoCon.
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NeoCon. The U.S. government continued to invade Iraq's airspace after the undeclared Gulf War. Iraq tried to defend itself. Yes, if the Russians invaded U.S. airspace, I would hope that we'd defend our country too. That's call military defense, which is quite different than running around invading other countries that didn't attack us and didn't pose a threat to us.
Palin said they did. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
according to a congressional analysis released Wednesday.
#2. To: lucysmom (#0)
#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
Go ahead and let them expire. Watch the fireworks!
#4. To: sneakypete (#2)
Neither branch of the ruling party is interested in reducing the deficit and making life better for the working classes. What they are interested in doing is keeping the support of their bases by giving them what they want and damn the costs.
#5. To: lucysmom (#0)
#6. To: lucysmom (#4)
Well there was a moment during the 90s... Unfortunately as soon as Republicans had it all they forgot about balancing the budget.
#7. To: Badeye (#5)
Nobody has ever received a job from a poor man, goofy.
#8. To: sneakypete (#6)
I can't because the RINO's have now taken over and they control the party.
#9. To: sneakypete (#6)
I really want to argue with you about that because they weren't really Republicans. They were and are RINO's.
#10. To: lucysmom (#3)
since money=free speech.
#11. To: lucysmom (#7)
On the other hand, many poor men have made their own jobs.
#12. To: Badeye (#5)
Nobody has ever received a job from a poor man, goofy.
#13. To: sneakypete (#6)
I can't because the RINO's have now taken over and they control the party.
#14. To: jwpegler (#13)
deserve our eternal scorn for destroying the GOP and the country.
#15. To: Ibluafartsky (#14)
(Edited)
yet
#16. To: jwpegler (#15)
We are still not done with the economic turmoil that Bush created
#17. To: Ibluafartsky (#16)
The "economic turmoil" was the result of NAFTA and Americans demand for cheap imported products
#18. To: jwpegler (#17)
Incorrect.
#19. To: lucysmom (#3)
No doubt. The wealthy are a small but vocal group especially since money=free speech.
#20. To: Ibluafartsky (#18)
What party was the majority in congress when the 700 million was handed to Wall Street?
#21. To: lucysmom (#7)
On the other hand, many poor men have made their own jobs.
#22. To: jwpegler (#20)
Yes, the Democratic Congress passed it
#23. To: lucysmom (#3)
(Edited)
The wealthy
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#22)
Yet you failed to hold them even partially responsible until I dragged it out of you.
#25. To: lucysmom (#0)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#26. To: WhiteSands, lucysmom (#25)
Peoples money or collectives money?
Zero diddled while America burned
#27. To: jwpegler (#24)
I'm here to chastise you Bush worshipers
#28. To: jwpegler (#23)
Think about this: the term "millionaire" was created in the early 20th century, when today's dollar was worth 6 cents. You'd have to be worth at least $16 MILLION today to be a "millionaire".
#29. To: lucysmom (#8)
They're not RINOs, they're neocons.
#30. To: Rhino (#9)
Rinos have always controlled the party. Always. You are the real Rino.
#31. To: jwpegler (#17)
They turned a balanced budget into a huge annual deficit.
#32. To: sneakypete (#29)
Neo-cons ARE RINO's.
#33. To: lucysmom (#32)
Neocons are radical, RINOs are moderate.
#34. To: Ibluafartsky (#27)
(Edited)
You're a fraud, an Obamasskisser and liberal apologist
#35. To: lucysmom (#28)
(Edited)
we're talking about annual income
#36. To: lucysmom (#32)
Neocons are radical, RINOs are moderate.
#37. To: lucysmom (#0)
#38. To: jwpegler (#35)
And families who make a mere 5 times the average family income are NOT "rich" and don't deserved to be put in the same category as Stephen Speilberg
#39. To: lucysmom (#38)
#40. To: sneakypete (#31)
They turned a balanced budget into a huge annual deficit.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Where does Reagan fit on that scale? Is he just right as in Goldi lox and the three bears story?
#42. To: no gnu taxes (#40)
The balanced budget was the result of of a dot com bubble, the end of the cold war, and obstinate divided government.
#43. To: sneakypete (#41)
Where you are making your mistake is pegging neo-cons/RINO's as right-wingers.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
You're not a right winger though. No right winger can be pro faggot.
#45. To: sneakypete (#44)
#46. To: A K A Stone (#45)
You are pro faggot. You want to redefine words for people who belong in a mental institution.
#47. To: sneakypete (#46)
#48. To: A K A Stone (#47)
I am pro freedom, pro constitution.
#49. To: sneakypete (#48)
#50. To: lucysmom (#7)
#51. To: Rhino (#12)
#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)
#53. To: no gnu taxes (#40)
Until the housing market started to fall apart in 2007, deficits were falling.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#47)
I am pro freedom, pro constitution. I'm smart. You're dumb.
#55. To: Badeye (#50)
Yep, which is why I don't support subsidizing 'poor people'.
#56. To: lucysmom (#55)
Yep, which is why I don't support subsidizing 'poor people'. Only the well off are worthy of your subsidy.
#57. To: lucysmom (#38)
Families making 20 times the average family income are.
#58. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#41)
mistake is pegging neo-cons/RINO's as right-wingers. They are not. They are leftists working for maximum government control and minimal individual rights for subjects
#59. To: jwpegler (#57)
The top tax bracket applies to families who make 5 times the average family income.
#60. To: Badeye (#51)
some wars do in fact 'pay for themselves'
#61. To: lucysmom (#59)
(Edited)
Doesn't look that way to me.
#62. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#61)
#63. To: jwpegler (#58)
Ex-communists run the "conservative movement" today. This is not hyperbole, it's a fact.
#64. To: sneakypete (#63)
#65. To: jwpegler (#62)
#66. To: A K A Stone (#64)
But bush doesn't equal Palin doesn't equal McCain doesn't equal Gingrich doesn't equal Huckabee, doesn't equal Rand Paul.
#67. To: sneakypete (#66)
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
#69. To: A K A Stone (#67)
Rand Paul is against redefining marriage to include two faggots doing perverted stuff.
#70. To: A K A Stone (#68)
They all have unique positions.
#71. To: sneakypete (#70)
They all have unique positions.
#72. To: jwpegler (#60)
The Iraq cost us at least $800 billion and 4,400 American kid's lives (to date) and was completely unnecessary.
#73. To: Badeye (#72)
#74. To: jwpegler (#73)
I think it was in fact 'necessary'
#75. To: Badeye (#74)
(Edited)
Because the only way to end the bullshit in the Middle East is to get average people involved in selecting their leadership.
#76. To: jwpegler (#75)
#77. To: Badeye (#76)
Yep. And out of this strawman you bring up, how many are supporting international terrorism against us?
#78. To: mininggold (#77)
#79. To: Badeye (#78)
btw, I'm a vet. I did my part when I was young.
#80. To: Badeye (#76)
how many are supporting international terrorism against us?
#81. To: mininggold (#79)
#82. To: jwpegler (#80)
#83. To: Badeye (#82)
You need to pick a argument and stick with it.
#84. To: jwpegler (#83)
You neo-commies on the other hand cannot make any legitimate case on how Saddam Hussein was a threat to the U.S.
#85. To: Badeye (#84)
(Edited)
He attacked our planes 750 times AFTER the Gulf War.
#86. To: jwpegler (#85)
So... after the U.S. government invaded his country, he tried to defend himself and it's somehow his fault.
#87. To: jwpegler (#85)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#88. To: WhiteSands (#87)
(Edited)
You'd be Ok with attacking Russia for invading airspace.
#89. To: jwpegler (#88)
Yes, if the Russians invaded U.S. airspace, I would hope that we'd defend our country too.
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