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Title: 40 Religious Leaders Denounce Sarah Palin and Fox’s Hate Speech
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Politicususa
URL Source: http://www.politicususa.com/en/palin-hate-speech
Published: Aug 13, 2010
Author: Politicususa
Post Date: 2010-08-13 20:28:56 by Brian S
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Views: 46795
Comments: 73
Forty different Catholic, evangelical, mainline Protestant, Jewish and Muslim leaders and scholars came together to release a statement condemning the hate language of Fox News, Sarah Palin, and Newt Gingrich as it relates to the so called Ground Zero mosque, “Fear-mongering and hateful rhetoric only undermine treasured values at the heart of diverse faith traditions and our nation’s highest ideals.” The statement released by Faith In The Public Life condemned the religious bigotry of Gingrich, Palin, and Fox News, “As Catholic, evangelical, mainline Protestant, Jewish and Muslim leaders and scholars committed to religious freedom and inter-religious cooperation, we are deeply troubled by the xenophobia and religious bigotry that has characterized some of the opposition to a proposed Islamic center and mosque near where the World Trade Center towers once stood.” It continued, “Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House, is the most recent prominent opponent to cast this debate in a way that demonizes all Muslims and exploits fear to divide Americans.”It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way,” Gingrich said in a statement. Sarah Palin called plans for the center a “provocation.” Fox News has aired a steady stream of irresponsible commentary and biased coverage that reduces what should be a civil debate into starkly combative terms.” Rev. Peg Chemberlin, President of the National Council of Churches said, “We are deeply saddened by those who denigrate a religion which in so many ways is a religion of compassion and peace by associating all Muslims with violent extremism. That’s like equating all Christians to Timothy McVeigh’s actions. This center will reflect not only the best of Islam, but the enduring hope that Christians, Jews and Muslims can together find common ground in addressing the most urgent challenges of our time.” Sister Simone Campbell, Executive Director of NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby said, “It’s simply wrong for Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin to malign all Muslims by comparing this cultural center and mosque with a radical ideology that led to the horrific attacks of 9-11. We fail to honor those killed by terrorists when we betray the bedrock principle of religious freedom that has guided our democracy for centuries.” The statement concluded by calling for an end to the fear mongering and hate filled rhetoric, “Mr. Gingrich, Ms. Palin and other prominent voices privileged to have the ear of the media would make a more lasting contribution to our nation if they stopped issuing inflammatory statements and instead helped inspire a civil dialogue between Christians, Jews and Muslims committed to a future guided by the principles of compassion, justice and peace. Fear-mongering and hateful rhetoric only undermine treasured values at the heart of diverse faith traditions and our nation’s highest ideals.” I wish more people of all faiths would stand up and denounce the divisive hate filled tactics employed on a daily basis by Gingrich, Palin, and Fox News. Gingrich and Palin are trying to create a wave of hate to ride to the presidency, and Fox News has found that peddling paranoia and hate is very, very profitable. Playing upon religious tensions is bad enough, but to intentionally create disunity for political gain, with no regard for the consequences to our nation is almost criminal. The politics of division and hate are the tactics that political movements always resort to when they are out of ideas and they possess no other means to motivate and inspire their supporters. Palin and Gingrich’s willingness to take us down this path is a reflective of their own personal ambitions combined with a complete lack of interest in actually solving our nation’s problems. A plea to our lesser emotions is easy, and sometimes effective, but by doing so, both Palin and Gingrich are demonstrating why neither one of them will ever be capable of inspiring the birth of a better America.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
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Let me know when "Faith In the Public Life" advocates building a church or synagogue in downtown Riyadh or Terhan, and then denouces Saudi Arabia and Iran for being intolerant. Thanks.
______________________________________________________________________________ "Faith In The Public Life" eh? Here's a little sample of who they ARE from their own site; www.faithinpubliclife.org/newsro om/fplnews/archive/
Zero diddled while America burned
#2. To: ALL, Brian S (#0)
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"FPL in the News
N.J. advocates for immigration reform march from Jersey City to Elizabeth February 17, 2010
(By Jeff Diamant - Newark Star-Ledger) *Faith in Public Life partnered with the Interfaith Immigration Coalition, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Justice for Immigrants Campaign, and We Were Strangers Too: The Jewish Campaign for Immigration Reform to launch "Together, not Torn: Families Can't Wait for Immigration Reform," a nationwide mobilization of people of faith for comprehensive, humane, just immigration reform. Starting in Jersey City near the foot bridge to Ellis Island, nearly 100 advocates for immigration reform staged a 10-mile walk to the Elizabeth detention center today, to highlight the plight of immigrant detainees there and to press for reforms allowing most of the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants to become citizens.
Faith Leaders Push For Immigration Reform
February 13, 2010
(By Chris Good - The Atlantic, Politics edited by Marc Ambinder)
Several faith groups, including the National Association of Evangelicals, Faith in the Public Life, and the Sojourners announced a push today for comprehensive immigration reform, with local events and prayer vigils in February and March.
100 events will be held in Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, Massachusetts, Maine, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin, along with a push to deliver pro-reform postcards to senators, the groups announced.
Summit County immigrants continue to press for reform
February 11, 2010 (By Julie Sutor - Summit Daily News)
*Faith in Public Life partnered with the Interfaith Immigration Coalition, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Justice for Immigrants Campaign, and We Were Strangers Too: The Jewish Campaign for Immigration Reform to launch "Together, not Torn: Families Can't Wait for Immigration Reform," a nationwide mobilization of people of faith for comprehensive, humane, just immigration reform.
Hundreds of immigrants to Colorado and their allies gathered near the foot of the Grand Mesa Wednesday afternoon to press lawmakers for immigration reform.
The activists, including about a dozen from Summit County, delivered more than 6,000 signatures on petitions and postcards to U.S. Sen. Michael Bennet's staff.
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Immigrant and faith groups in attendance said communities, families and human rights are at stake in the immigration-reform debate.
"As people of faith from across the state, we denounce as inhumane the enforcement measures which have resulted in the separation of families and increased fear in our faith communities," said Ricardo Perez of the Hispanic Affairs Pastoral Project.
Pushing Immigration Reform
February 10, 2010 (By Michael Sean Winters - National Catholic Reporter)
*Faith in Public Life partnered with the Interfaith Immigration Coalition, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Justice for Immigrants Campaign, and We Were Strangers Too: The Jewish Campaign for Immigration Reform to launch "Together, not Torn: Families Can't Wait for Immigration Reform," a nationwide mobilization of people of faith for comprehensive, humane, just immigration reform.
Two members of Congress joined faith leaders on a conference call today in Washington to announce new efforts to build support for comprehensive immigration reform. Congressman Mike Honda of California joined Congresswoman Yvette Clark both addressed the political difficulties of moving the legislation while the country suffers from an unemployment rate that hovers around 10 percent. "It's possible," Clark told the journalists assembled on the call, noting that as in previous years, the difficulties are likely to arise in the Senate...
The religious leaders on the call, which including a rabbi, a Catholic priest and someone from the National Association of Evangelicals, all pointed to the moral weight of their pro-reform arguments. And, the increasing prominence of evangelicals in the reform efforts points to a genuinely new political dynamic: Had George W. Bush enlisted evangelical support for his reform effort in 2006, he might have been able to pass the bill then.
Evangelical leader calls for kinder, gentler immigration laws
February 10, 2010 (By Kathy Kiely - USA Today, On Politics)
*Faith in Public Life partnered with the Interfaith Immigration Coalition, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Justice for Immigrants Campaign, and We Were Strangers Too: The Jewish Campaign for Immigration Reform to launch "Together, not Torn: Families Can't Wait for Immigration Reform," a nationwide mobilization of people of faith for comprehensive, humane, just immigration reform.
Galen Carey of the National Association of Evangelicals called for Congress to "pass meaningful immigration reform this year" today in a conference call with other faith leaders. Members of the group said they are trying to create a grassroots, church-based movement to press for passage of legislation." ...
GET THE PICTURE?
Who would EVER expect THEM to "denounce" anybody on the "right"?
It's a MYSTERY fer SURE.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
#3. To: Mad Dog (#2)
Tazer and torture anyone who criticises the screwed up Palin Family, is unwilling to go overseas and be maimed or killed because the President has the authority to send them via the War powers act. Lets get those FEMA death camps up and running and do it all up real good ...just like the Nazi Reich. Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.[Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials] Parrot: Get it Mig killer......sure ya do : ) You LUV DA WAR Enjoy the Mexico Enjoy the depression/Austerity Luv the Bush....Zero...Palin,.....WAR!
or asks why Jesus is wearing Kevlar,
#4. To: Parrot with speed dial (#3)
LOL! Oh I get just fine bird boy. You REALLY are one weak assed little c^nt bird boy. The TRUTH quoted from their OWN WEBSITE is "Tazer"(ing)" and tortur"(ing)" e anyone who criticises..."? MORON PLEASE! LOL! Are you drunk? or high? already tonight, you miserable dishonorable mental defective a$$wipe? MAN it's good that you can't come back to the USA! the Canukistanies DESERVE you. LOL! GOOD ONE! I'm "picking on them" by quoting their OWN website! ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
#5. To: Ignore Amos (#1)
Yeah, cause we ain't gotta do it until they do.
Let me know when "Faith In the Public Life" advocates building a church or synagogue in downtown Riyadh or Terhan, and then denouces Saudi Arabia and Iran for being intolerant.
#6. To: Brian S (#0)
and there very same people were quite as a church mouse about Rev. Wright and Obama's hate-filled book.
“Fear-mongering and hateful rhetoric only undermine treasured values at the heart of diverse faith traditions and our nation’s highest ideals.”
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
#7. To: lucysmom (#5)
Let me know when "Faith In the Public Life" advocates building a church or synagogue in downtown Riyadh or Terhan, and then denouces Saudi Arabia and Iran for being intolerant. Yeah, cause we ain't gotta do it until they do. I suppose there's a point in there . . . somewhere? 
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Zero diddled while America burned
#8. To: Ignore Amos (#7)
The point is allowing a Muslim community center to be built two blocks away from the WTC is about who we are and what we believe concerning religious freedom, not about who Muslims in Tehran are.
I suppose there's a point in there . . . somewhere?
#9. To: lucysmom (#8)
The point is allowing a Muslim community center to be built two blocks away from the WTC is about who we are and what we believe concerning religious freedom, not about who Muslims in Tehran are. Would you be so kind as to answer a simple question for me? A short answer will do. 1. Who or what is the US presently at war with? Based on your answer, I'll comment further on your previous post.
I suppose there's a point in there . . . somewhere?
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Zero diddled while America burned
#10. To: Ignore Amos (#9)
Al-Qaeda. Here's what Wikipedia says about Al-Qaeda a militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988[6] and late 1989.[7] It operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless army[8] and a fundamentalist Sunni movement calling for global Jihad. It is considered a terrorist organization.
1. Who or what is the US presently at war with?
#11. To: lucysmom (#10)
Al-Qaeda. Thank you. Now my next question: As distasteful as it is, does the emergency of wartime ever justify the temporary suspension of some Constitutional rights? Because if - as you say - we are at war with Al-Qaeda, then it follows that some extra-ordinary measures may need to be taken to insure Al-Qaeda does not prevail. Not allowing what might be viewed as a "victory mosque" to be built - a mosque potentially funded by Al-Qaeda - would be consistent to fighting that war.
Who or what is the US presently at war with?
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Zero diddled while America burned
#12. To: Ignore Amos (#11) (Edited)
Not allowing what might be viewed as a "victory mosque" to be built - a mosque potentially funded by Al-Qaeda - would be consistent to fighting that war. So have we officially declared war on them, or should we just open the WWII era detention camps again and shove them in? I guess you just don't appreciate Bush's balancing act.
Because if - as you say - we are at war with Al-Qaeda, then it follows that some extra-ordinary measures may need to be taken to insure Al-Qaeda does not prevail.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#13. To: mininggold, lucysmom (#12)
So have we officially declared war on them,
My opinion? No. But ask lucy - she's the one who said we were. or should we just open the WWII era detention camps again and shove them in?
IF we declare war (which we haven't), and IF it is deemed necessary to WIN the war, yes . . . I guess you just don't appreciate Bush's balancing act.
Beyond stating the obvious fact that Bush was a shitty president, I'm not going to feed your paranoia and insanity. Sorry.
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Zero diddled while America burned
#14. To: Ignore Amos (#13)
And with your last comment you show your trollish Alinsky ways again. I'm sure Lucy only gets her info from official government sources just like me and you. Al Qaeda seems to be the opponents always mentioned by them, unless you think Bush was a liar.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#15. To: mininggold (#14)
You're not going to get anywhere or understand anything until you get past your insane Bush fixation. Realize he was just as much a puppet as the current WH occupant is.
And with your last comment you show your trollish Alinsky ways again.
Okay, now THAT was totally off the wall. You'll have to explain that one to me. I'm sure Lucy only gets her info from official government sources just like me and you.
Well, God gave us brains. We can and do sometimes use them to come to differenct conclusions (even given the same information sources.) Al Qaeda seems to be the opponents always mentioned by them, unless you think Bush was a liar.
Did I miss where Clinton said Al-Qaeda was NOT the enemy? Did I miss where Zero said Al-Qaeda was not the enemy?
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Zero diddled while America burned
#16. To: Ignore Amos (#15) (Edited)
I've always believed the last five pres's were puppets. Every time they summon old Henry to the rescue. I've wondered about your 'dancing around the issues ways' here. Evidently you're just here to spin and rewrite the Bush years. Sorry..... FDR got credit for WWII, not Truman, he got credit for Korea not Eisenhower, LBJ got Vietnam not Nixon/Ford.. Bush has two wars to his credit and it will forever be the Bush legacy not Obama's or whoever. You have to learn to give credit where credit is due otherwise you muddy the waters for Obama's and future pres's 'legacies'.
ou're not going to get anywhere or understand anything until you get past your insane Bush fixation. Realize he was just as much a puppet as the current WH occupant is.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
Nope. Evidently . . . you've got a terminal case of BDS.
Evidently you're just here to spin and rewrite the Bush years.
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Zero diddled while America burned
#18. To: Ignore Amos (#1)
There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).
#19. To: Ignore Amos (#17)
More of your Alinsky code phrases I guess. You want to rewrite history, sorry...won't happen, no matter how much you try to muddy the waters.
Evidently . . . you've got a terminal case of BDS.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#20. To: Mad Dog (#2)
Yeah - 40 Trojan horse Marxists, hypocrites, and weasels masquerading as "religious leaders." HA! So now what? Shall we now report Palin's list of 4,000 "religious leaders" who support her statement on the proposed Muzzie-flag and mosque in the shadow of the buildings Muzzies blew up?
#21. To: jwpegler (#18)
It also offers first class winter skiing with resorts where many Europeans spend vacations. Go figure.
There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#22. To: Parrot with speed dial (#3)
Ok, alright - I know where you're coming from and I agree with you much of the time. But what's you opinion on THIS issue?
#23. To: lucysmom, Ignore Amos (#5)
Hey Lucy - here's a quick primer about "Islam": ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW NEW NON-ISLAM HOUSES of WORSHIP TO BE BUILT. How can you be so blind and insular? I mean really - I feel sorry for you because you actually believe your tolerance and acceptance won't result in slavery and death.
Yeah, cause we ain't gotta do it until they do.
#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#6)
How about that? The hypocrisy and open agenda of middle-fingered subversiveness is stunning.
there very same people were quite as a church mouse about Rev. Wright and Obama's hate-filled book.
#25. To: jwpegler (#18)
Interesting - thanks. I wasn't aware of that. But really - I'm an "it's none of our business" kind of guy. In my perfect world, we'd mind our own business, take care of our own affairs here in the US, and leave others to fend for ourselves. We cannot be - nor should we be - the world's policeman or arbiter of rights. We used to be what was known as a "beacon". We were a place to escape to. People could escape these regimes (like modern day Saudi Arabia or Iran). But they came here with the understanding that they would eventually assimilate. Oh, there were "Irish" enclaves, and "Korea" towns. That's fine. But don't expect me to learn Korean. You're now in the US - learn our damn language. If you don't, the only one persecuting you is . . . yourself. I digress. The original topic of this thread concerned the group "Faith in Public Life". To me, it's just another "group" who knows they can get publicity bashing Palin, Gingrich, Fox News, or whatever the target du joir of the insane Left is. My point was - they are criticizing what happens to be one of the free-est societies on Earth when it comes to religious tolerance. And I get rather tired of their "selective" criticism.
There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).
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Zero diddled while America burned
#26. To: lucysmom, Ignore Amos, parrot with speed dial, all (#8)
No... That's the way this false premise has been framed. If this Mosque is allowed to stick it's finger in America's eye and become its symbol of dominance, I can assure you the Muzzies may as well be detonating a nuke in NYC because they know EXACTLY what this will lead to... IT will be blown up to smithereens in no time, and then the tit-for-tat clusterf*** will be on.
The point is allowing a Muslim community center to be built two blocks away from the WTC is about who we are and what we believe concerning religious freedom, not about who Muslims in Tehran are.
#27. To: Ignore Amos (#11)
You are an excellent poster.
#28. To: mininggold (#19)
I'll bite What history have I rewritten?
You want to rewrite history, sorry
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#29. To: mininggold, Ignore Amos (#12)
Both... Oh, and by the way, grab yourself a burka and bottle of Gilbey's on the way into your Stalag.
So have we officially declared war on them, or should we just open the WWII era detention camps again and shove them in?
#30. To: Liberator (#24)
So YOU and Nebby keep lists of every issue and whether it's been addressed by each poster here or not. What a conservative thing to do!!! I'm sure there's an amendment in the US constitution addressing that very 'convervative' ideal.
How about that? The hypocrisy and open agenda of middle-fingered subversiveness is stunning.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#31. To: Brian S (#0)
Hate Speech - Anything that makes liberals look ridiculous. This is the type of leftwing insanity thats leading to November's asskicking.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#32. To: Ignore Amos, mininggold, lucysmom (#13)
Lol...Isn't that the point here sometimes?
Beyond stating the obvious fact that Bush was a shitty president, I'm not going to feed your paranoia and insanity. Sorry.
#33. To: Liberator (#32)
Yet you are the one dealing in vague code phrases. Go figure
Lol...Isn't that the point here sometimes?
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#34. To: mininggold, Nebuchadnezzar (#30)
Not necessarily. It's just a matter of you and Leftist-liberals possessing selective memories regarding self-serving issues.
So YOU and Nebby keep lists of every issue and whether it's been addressed by each poster here or not.
#35. To: mininggold (#33)
If you think that was "vague" OR "code," please move to the back of the class....waaaay back in the last row.
Yet you are the one dealing in vague code phrases. Go figure
#36. To: Liberator (#34) (Edited)
Sounds like you are selective on the whole free speech thingy. I can see you loving this country to be a theocracy, until your ox is gored that is. LOLOL
Not necessarily. It's just a matter of you and Leftist-liberals possessing selective memories regarding self-serving issues.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#37. To: jwpegler (#18)
I wonder why Dubya or Poppy never addressed that with the Saudi Prince? (extreme s/) There is NO way a brand new Catholic Church or Synagogue would ever be built in Iran - and not especially where ever Christians or Jews wanted. Notice the Muslims demand to build WHERE EVER they damn well please - Whether it's Jerusalem or NYC.
There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).
#38. To: Liberator (#27)
Thanks - but it's probably the coffee (It's Saturday, and I'm working on my second pot)
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#39. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#36)
Have you met Pete? I give you two my blessing in unholy matrimonial bliss (actually that would be "ignorance.")
I can see you loving this country to be a theocracy...
#40. To: Ignore Amos (#38)
HEH - I'd like to see you hittin' the ol' espresso.
(It's Saturday, and I'm working on my second pot)
#41. To: mininggold (#21)
You must be confusing Iran with Turkey.
It also offers first class winter skiing with resorts where many Europeans spend vacations.
#42. To: Badeye (#31) (Edited)
And now that Muslim President 0bama's come out in the open and advocated the Mosque be built nearby the WTC ashes, the Dems are cringing even more. The question is: WILL the GOP have the balls to mention it on the campaign trail?
This is the type of leftwing insanity thats leading to November's asskicking.
#43. To: Liberator (#41)
Look it up.
You must be confusing Iran with Turkey.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#44. To: Liberator (#39)
Why.... does he not like theocracies either?
Have you met Pete? I give you two my blessing in unholy matrimonial bliss (actually that would be "ignorance.")
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#45. To: Ignore Amos (#9) (Edited)
Mexico, but every president after Ike has pretended not to notice.
1. Who or what is the US presently at war with?
#46. To: Liberator (#42)
I found this on the forum where your best posting 'friend' banned you. It's rather long. Maybe you can read it between naps. Written by a Christian from Idaho too. I doubt he's mustered as many Christian brownie points as you have though. "The War Party's New Torchlight Parade Contrived Controversy: Protesting the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque." The most powerful patron of radical Islam is not Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia. It is the government headquartered in Washington, D.C., which for more than a half-century has diligently cultivated Islamic terrorism. Yet millions of Americans are suffering what amounts to a collective loss of bladder control over the purported threat embodied in the proposed Cordoba House -- the Islamic equivalent of a YMCA -- in New York City. Allowing the "Ground Zero Mosque" to be built, insists Newt Gingrich, would be tantamount to "surrender" in a struggle against those implacably committed to our destruction. New York gubernatorial hopeful Carl Paladino, a New York crony capitalist who anointed himself a paladin of the Tea Party movement, has made opposition to the "Ground Zero Mosque" the central plank of his campaign. Paladino, who has profited handsomely from government's redistribution of wealth, promises that if elected he will confiscate the property used for the Muslim Community Center through eminent domain and use the land to erect a war memorial. Writing in National Review, former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy insists that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf -- the Kuwait-born U.S. citizen who leads the Cordoba Initiative -- is pursuing a "stealth jihad" as a fellow-traveler of the Muslim Brotherhood. "The Ground Zero project is a test of America's resolve to face down a civilizational jihad that that aims, in the words of its leaders, to destroy us from within," maintains McCarthy. According to Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association (AFA) the problem isn't the proposal to build a Muslim cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero. Rather, it's the fact that the government ruling us permits the existence of mosques anywhere in the United States. Since "every single mosque is a potential terror training center or recruiting center for jihad," Muslims "cannot claim First Amendment Protections," maintains Fischer (who, in addition to supporting case-specific abolition of the First Amendment, has previously called for the abolition of the habeas corpus guarantee as well). Rather than focusing exclusively on the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, the AFA and like-minded organizations have instigated a nation-wide campaign to protest construction of Muslim houses of worship in more than a half-dozen states. Like McCarthy, Fischer treats Imam Rauf as an asset of the Muslim Brotherhood, which (according to Fischer) is "at the heart and center... the soul of Islam in America." Here's a quick digest of the charges leveled by Fischer, which are typical of this manufactured controversy: Islamic houses of worship serve as recruiting centers for soldiers of jihad, who will kill and die on behalf of Sharia Law. Many Islamic clerics, including Imam Feisal, are joined at the hip with the Muslim Brotherhood -- the most powerful element of the international Islamic terrorist network. Jihadist at work? Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (right). Stipulating that those concerns are genuine, and that the proper course of action would be to target the greatest offenders first, the campaign to shut down the global jihad should target the United States Government -- and the Republican-dominated Evangelical Churches that serve as military recruiting stations for the Regime in Washington. During the past decade, a Middle Eastern nation of roughly 30,000,000 people once ruled by a secular government succumbed to Sharia Law. The predictable results of that catastrophe included a dramatic increase in religious violence, such as the persecution of professional women whose dress and conduct are now seen as unacceptable. More than half of the Christian population of that country -- which includes congregations tracing their roots back to the original disciples -- was driven into exile. That nation is Iraq, which suffered for decades under Washington's loathsome subcontractor Saddam Hussein before Saddam's employer decided to remove the middleman. For a dozen years after the 1991 Gulf War -- which followed the Washington- instigated Iraqi assault on Kuwait, which itself was a sequel to the Washington- abetted Iraqi war with Iran -- the country was suffocated by a murderous embargo punctuated with the occasional terror-bombing. After being softened up for more than a decade, Iraq was invaded and occupied by U.S. troops who killed and died in order to install an Islamist government whose new constitution formally enshrines Sharia Law. When American jingoists offer misty-eyed tributes to the soldiers who died in the course of "liberating" Iraq, it could be said that they are, in effect, praising the efforts of men and women who are martyrs to the cause of Sharia Law. This outcome is not an historical anomaly. For the past six decades, the Anglo- American elite (with Washington assuming the senior partner role after World War II) has assiduously promoted the most violent strains of revolutionary Islam, often -- but not exclusively -- as a strategic weapon in the context of the Cold War. Professional revolutionary: Afghani. The Muslim Brotherhood -- which grew out of the late-19th Century agitation of Persian-born professional revolutionary Jamal Eddine al-Afghani -- has long been one of the Anglo-American elite's most important strategic assets, as well as the talent pool that was used to staff the deadliest terrorist network in the Muslim world. While he was superficially the most devout and pious of Muslim believers, Al- Afghani, writes Robert Dreyfuss in his valuable book The Devil's Game, "a heterodox thinker who was a Freemason, a mystic, a political operative, and above all ... someone who believed in the `social utility of religion.'" After serving as a Russian agent in the 1860s, Afghani defected to the British. He was in London's employ when he made a disciple of an Egyptian Sugist named Mohammed Abduh. During the 1870s, Afghani and Abduh used Cairo's storied Al-Azhar mosque as a recruiting center for a revolutionary network, which gathered cadres from throughout the Middle East and Europe. Afghani also founded a lodge of his Arab Masonic society, which became the headquarters of what Egyptian police called "young Thugs" -- a description invoking India's notorious Thugee Cult, an oath-bound fraternity of murderers. When Afghani was eventually expelled from Egypt, his disciple Abduh remained, eventually rising to become the nation's Mufti (supreme interpreter of Islamic law) in 1899. Like his mentor, Abduh considered revolution to be his religion, and the Islamic faith to be a vessel for his political ambitions. Among those who fell under Abduh's influence was Hassan Al-Banna, the schoolteacher who gave tangible form to Abduh's revolutionary designs by founding the Ikhwan al- Mulimeen (Islamic Brotherhood) in 1928. Disciple and organizer: Abduh. Reflecting the influence of Afghani and Abduh, Banna organized the Brotherhood into cells (called "families") of five to seven members. The Brotherhood "was more than a movement," writes Dreyfuss. "It was a cult, it was a revivalist party, it was an intelligence operation, it was a paramilitary unit, and it was an international organization that was rapidly building branches in many Middle Eastern countries." During World War II, Dreyfuss continues, Brotherhood cadres were recruited by British, Nazi, and Soviet intelligence agencies. "In the eastern regions of the Soviet empire, where the Nazis were more interested in oil than ethnic cleansing, the Third Reich mobilized Muslims and other ethnic minorities to fight for the liberation of their homelands," writes Eliza Griswold in The New Republic, summarizing the findings in Ian Johnson's recent book A Mosque in Munich. "The Nazis plucked Muslims from German prisoner- of-war camps; some Muslims became German soldiers, members of the SS; some, professional propagandists.... Once World War II ended, many of these men, stuck in Germany and having lost their homelands, found a new employer: the United States." Brotherhood founder al-Banna. A CIA-created propaganda arm called Radio Liberty employed "many of these former Nazi sympathizers," Griswold points out. In 1953 -- the same year the CIA and MI6, working through a network of Islamic radicals, brought down the Iranian government of Mohammed Mossadegh -- the White House hosted 27-year-old Said Ramadan, the Muslim Brotherhood's chief international organizer in addition to being son-in-law to Hassan al-Banna's son-in-law, who had been assassinated in 1949. In subsequent years, many adherents of the Brotherhood -- including former Nazi sympathizers who worked with the CIA -- affiliated with the Al-Quds Mosque in Munich. Among them was Mahmoud Abouhalima, a Brotherhood member who became a leader in the CIA-funded Afghan mujahadeen and later played a prominent role in the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. Abouhalima, who spent the late 1980s networking with radicals among American Muslims, sponsored the 1990 visit of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, later convicted of "seditious conspiracy" in the 1993 WTC attack. Despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list, Sheik Omar was granted a visa at the U.S. consulate in Khartoum: As something other than coincidence had it, the CIA station chief personally attended to the matter by substituting for the consular official who was usually in charge of issuing visas. Ike and Ikhwan: Brotherhood leader Said Ramadan is at the far right, holding papers. Like practically everyone else involved in the 1993 WTC plot, Omar had also been an asset of the U.S. Government. The same is true of former U.S. Army Special Forces Captain Ali Mohammed, who -- according to investigators -- most likely "called the shots" in the bombing conspiracy. Despite -- or perhaps because of -- that fact, Mohammed went on to become a "privileged asset" of the FBI. In 2001, Mohammed pleaded guilty -- "in exchange for considerations" -- to charges arising from the 1998 bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. He then disappeared into the witness protection program, where he remains to this day. The extent to which the Muslim Brotherhood is (in Bryan Fischer's phrase) "the soul of Islam in America" reflects the tireless efforts of our rulers to nurture radical Islam as a strategic asset -- both for prosecuting war abroad and making war on us at home by terrorizing us into supporting its corrupt, needlessly bellicose foreign policy. In his eagerness to strip American citizens who profess the Muslim religion of their rights, Bryan Fischer offers an analogy to the recent arrest of the so- called Hutaree Militia in Michigan on charges of seditious conspiracy. "The fact that they were a Christian militia did not stop them from being locked up,"Fischer told an interviewer. Had his research into the Hutaree case been more exhaustive than scanning headlines, Fischer may have discovered that the rapidly disintegrating case against that group was built entirely on the claims made by an informant- provocateur employed by the FBI. The same is true of practically every recent "terrorism" case involving American Muslims. If there is reason to be suspicious of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, it would not be his sensible criticism of Washington's foreign policy; instead, it would be his willingness to cooperate with the FBI, which seems more interested in manufacturing "terrorist plots" than interdicting them. Not having access to his unspoken plans and motives, I cannot say whether Imam Rauf is sincere or duplicitous in his efforts to encourage mutual respect and understanding among people of different faiths. However, I am impressed by the answer he gave in 2006 when asked what his "Ramadan wish" would be for the world: "[I would wish that] we would remember that the two greatest commandments that God gave us through the mouths of his many prophets and messengers, including Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed -- to love the Lord our God and to love our neighbors. It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you. If that can be the criterion of our foreign policy, I guarantee you that our foreign policy will be successful and wildly popular." As the treatment given to its Author demonstrates, preaching the Golden Rule will always provoke the murderous hostility of the ruling elite. Apparently, the last thing many American Christians can abide is the spectacle of an American Muslim leader who -- whatever else he may be up to -- insists that we abide by the central moral tenet of the Christian faith."
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#47. To: mininggold (#46)
It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you.
#48. To: Liberator (#26)
Community center. ...is allowed to stick it's finger in America's eye and become its symbol of dominance... What do you call invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq? I can assure you the Muzzies may as well be detonating a nuke in NYC because they know EXACTLY what this will lead to... What will it lead to? Don't worry, I'm sure the "Muzzies" know exactly who is in charge - we've killed enough of them to get the message across. IT will be blown up to smithereens in no time, and then the tit-for-tat clusterf*** will be on. I would guess they know something about being blown to smithereens too.
If this Mosque...
#49. To: lucysmom (#48)
What do you call invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq?
#50. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)
These people are smart. They know if the government can control one religion then they can control the all religions. Back in the 80s, and much to the dismay of his congregation, Jerry Falwell himself once argued on behalf of the rights of neo-pagans / Wicca. Today's "conservatives" aren't that smart or principled because they've been hornswoggled by the neo-con interlopers.
#51. To: lucysmom (#48)
If this Mosque... Community center. ...is allowed to stick it's finger in America's eye and become its symbol of dominance... What do you call invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq? I can assure you the Muzzies may as well be detonating a nuke in NYC because they know EXACTLY what this will lead to... What will it lead to? Don't worry, I'm sure the "Muzzies" know exactly who is in charge - we've killed enough of them to get the message across. IT will be blown up to smithereens in no time, and then the tit-for-tat clusterf*** will be on. I would guess they know something about being blown to smithereens too. "Community Center"? lucysmom, you can sugar coat BULL SHIT all you want, but it's still going to smell like Bull Shit! You don't have to, and probably will dance all around it, spinning and wafflng, but explain to me what you mean by "I would guess they know something about being blown to smithereesn...too" Is this your way of saying that if they do get a foot hold here and Blow Up more building and murder thousands...we deserve it? Hey lady, that includes you and your family too, if they attack us on our own soil....
#52. To: Murron (#51)
#53. To: Rhino (#52)
It's enough to make a red-blooded American cry....this nations new motto is "fuck the people, we're going to do it anyway"~
#54. To: Rhino (#52)
I like the hedge trimming. LOL
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
#55. To: Murron (#53)
There are millions of American Muslims. You cannot deny them their religious rights. Believe me I think Islam is bullshit, but the first amendment is paramount. I'm going to devirginize a muslim girl during romadan so score one for USA.
It's enough to make a red-blooded American cry....this nations new motto is "fuck the people, we're going to do it anyway"~
#56. To: Liberator, lucysmom (#26)
Hey lucysmom, I'd like to hear your take on where our Founding Fathers stood on Islam...with what little they had to go on, just where do you think they would stand on this issue? lucysmom: "The point is allowing a Muslim community center to be built two blocks away from the WTC is about who we are and what we believe concerning religious freedom, not about who Muslims in Tehran are."
#57. To: Murron (#56) (Edited)
Hey lucysmom, I'd like to hear your take on where our Founding Fathers stood on Islam...with what little they had to go on, just where do you think they would stand on this issue? Read Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. Our early government didn't have a beef with muslims.
#58. To: Rhino (#57) (Edited)
Thank you Rhino, I knew about this peace treaty, but I'm fishing.... What did these men know, and think about ISLAM...because there is something these men had, and used, that we don't have today. thanks!
#59. To: hondo68 (#45)
Mexico, but every president after Ike has pretended not to notice. Yep. We're losing that "undeclared" war, too.
Who or what is the US presently at war with?
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Zero diddled while America burned
#60. To: Murron (#58)
Thank you Rhino, I knew about this peace treaty, but I'm fishing.... What did these men know, and think about ISLAM...because there is something these men had, and used, that we don't have today. thanks! It probably wasn't a huge factor back in day, but the founding fathers were very much for religious tolerance. Which is why our government is secular, and religious freedom is the first amendment of the bill of rights. Simply put their constitution strictly forbids the government from preventing the mosque from being put up.
#61. To: Rhino (#60)
The government is empowered to restrict building.
Simply put their constitution strictly forbids the government from preventing the mosque from being put up.
#62. To: Ibluafartsky (#61)
Not on religious reasons.
The government is empowered to restrict building.
#63. To: Rhino, Ibluafartsky (#62)
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator 58 BC, Speech in the Roman Senate
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
#64. To: Rhino (#60)
If those men were living today, that Mosque would NEVER go up. You see, our Constitution did forbid religious intolerance, but it WAS NEVER meant to be a SUICIDE PACT with a nation of Religious Fanatics who go around and blow up buildings and threaten DEATH upon those who do not convert to their god~ What these men had, and used, was their WITS, their Instinct for Survival, and Common Sense! here are those who get some sick satisfaction out of claiming 'Jefferson carried a copy of the qu'ran", and they're right, he did have a copy but for different reasons than what they might have imagined. Jefferson used his copy to STUDY ISLAM, not to be converted to it. But you won't find the ignorant delving into this part of history because it will blow their arguments away. report written by Jefferson and Adams to the Continental Congress shows: “…that it (Islam) was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.” Adams concluded: “As the essential principle of his [Muhammad’s] faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated.” John Quincy Adams on Islam: “Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST; TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Capitals in original)...Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant...While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” They didn’t have CNN, Fox, spy satellites, and an army of CIA agents. But they knew what Islam was all about because they took the time to STUDY it . Men like Jefferson and Adams, they did their own research and reading, they didn't leave this to secretaries, valets or the janitor, they used what this nation sourly lacks today for suvival....WITS, INSTINCT, and COMMON SENSE! ~ jmho
Simply put their constitution strictly forbids the government from preventing the mosque from being put up.
#65. To: Rhino (#62)
Churches and places of worship aren't endowed with the power to build what and wherever they see fit.
Not on religious reasons.
#66. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)
Excellent. Religious leaders are for open borders, ground zero mosques and socialism. That they hate her, is a huge plus.
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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#67. To: Murron (#58)
The founding fathers were not ignorant hay seeds. Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, found himself under attack last month when he announced he'd take his oath of office on the Koran -- especially from Virginia Rep. Virgil Goode, who called it a threat to American values. Yet the holy book at tomorrow's ceremony has an unassailably all-American provenance. We've learned that the new congressman -- in a savvy bit of political symbolism -- will hold the personal copy once owned by Thomas Jefferson. What did these men know, and think about ISLAM...
#68. To: Rhino, Murron, lucysmom, Muzzie-loving Traitors and Enablers (#57) (Edited)
Stuff your treaty; Here's the ENTIRE story: When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria. Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors. Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy. In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise." For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800. Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action. In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy. Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country's battles in the air, on land and sea." It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad. http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
#69. To: lucysmom (#67)
Dear Dumbass Hayseed, Look at the post below yours. Sincerely, Liberator
#70. To: Murron (#64)
What these men had, and used, was their WITS, their Instinct for Survival, and Common Sense! here are those who get some sick satisfaction out of claiming 'Jefferson carried a copy of the qu'ran", and they're right, he did have a copy but for different reasons than what they might have imagined. Jefferson used his copy to STUDY ISLAM, not to be converted to it. But you won't find the ignorant delving into this part of history because it will blow their arguments away. AMEN! EXCELLENT defense of sanity in the face of IN-sanity, Murron. The enablers of Muzzie-fascism and submission have only lies, subterfuge, and history-revisionism on their side.
If those men were living today, that Mosque would NEVER go up. You see, our Constitution did forbid religious intolerance, but it WAS NEVER meant to be a SUICIDE PACT with a nation of Religious Fanatics who go around and blow up buildings and threaten DEATH upon those who do not convert to their god~
#71. To: Murron (#64)
"Religion of Peace," they say?? HA! Hey - You're cracking heads and taking no prisoners. Ooo-rah! Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.
#72. To: lucysmom (#48)
Community center. HEH! Yeah, right. And Alpo is "Cuisine." I'm sure the "Muzzies" know exactly who is in charge - we've killed enough of them to get the message across. Since we're discussing New York City, the number of "killed" would be Americans, right? I would guess they [Muzzies] know something about being blown to smithereens too. They would indeed, having been practicing suicide bombings for decades.
If this Mosque...
#73. To: Liberator (#42)
The GOP answered that question with an emphatic 'yes' over the weekend. I heard somewhere the groundbreaking was schedule for 9/11? Thats an overt, intentionally inflamatory act in and of itself if true. And I wonder if these Muslim's would mind a Synagog in Mecca...given we are talking about 'tolerance'. Fuckin hypocrites.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
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