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Title: 40 Religious Leaders Denounce Sarah Palin and Fox’s Hate Speech
Source: Politicususa
URL Source: http://www.politicususa.com/en/palin-hate-speech
Published: Aug 13, 2010
Author: Politicususa
Post Date: 2010-08-13 20:28:56 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 46815
Comments: 73

Forty different Catholic, evangelical, mainline Protestant, Jewish and Muslim leaders and scholars came together to release a statement condemning the hate language of Fox News, Sarah Palin, and Newt Gingrich as it relates to the so called Ground Zero mosque, “Fear-mongering and hateful rhetoric only undermine treasured values at the heart of diverse faith traditions and our nation’s highest ideals.”

The statement released by Faith In The Public Life condemned the religious bigotry of Gingrich, Palin, and Fox News, “As Catholic, evangelical, mainline Protestant, Jewish and Muslim leaders and scholars committed to religious freedom and inter-religious cooperation, we are deeply troubled by the xenophobia and religious bigotry that has characterized some of the opposition to a proposed Islamic center and mosque near where the World Trade Center towers once stood.”

It continued, “Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House, is the most recent prominent opponent to cast this debate in a way that demonizes all Muslims and exploits fear to divide Americans.”It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way,” Gingrich said in a statement. Sarah Palin called plans for the center a “provocation.” Fox News has aired a steady stream of irresponsible commentary and biased coverage that reduces what should be a civil debate into starkly combative terms.”

Rev. Peg Chemberlin, President of the National Council of Churches said, “We are deeply saddened by those who denigrate a religion which in so many ways is a religion of compassion and peace by associating all Muslims with violent extremism. That’s like equating all Christians to Timothy McVeigh’s actions. This center will reflect not only the best of Islam, but the enduring hope that Christians, Jews and Muslims can together find common ground in addressing the most urgent challenges of our time.”

Sister Simone Campbell, Executive Director of NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby said, “It’s simply wrong for Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin to malign all Muslims by comparing this cultural center and mosque with a radical ideology that led to the horrific attacks of 9-11. We fail to honor those killed by terrorists when we betray the bedrock principle of religious freedom that has guided our democracy for centuries.”

The statement concluded by calling for an end to the fear mongering and hate filled rhetoric, “Mr. Gingrich, Ms. Palin and other prominent voices privileged to have the ear of the media would make a more lasting contribution to our nation if they stopped issuing inflammatory statements and instead helped inspire a civil dialogue between Christians, Jews and Muslims committed to a future guided by the principles of compassion, justice and peace. Fear-mongering and hateful rhetoric only undermine treasured values at the heart of diverse faith traditions and our nation’s highest ideals.”

I wish more people of all faiths would stand up and denounce the divisive hate filled tactics employed on a daily basis by Gingrich, Palin, and Fox News. Gingrich and Palin are trying to create a wave of hate to ride to the presidency, and Fox News has found that peddling paranoia and hate is very, very profitable. Playing upon religious tensions is bad enough, but to intentionally create disunity for political gain, with no regard for the consequences to our nation is almost criminal.

The politics of division and hate are the tactics that political movements always resort to when they are out of ideas and they possess no other means to motivate and inspire their supporters. Palin and Gingrich’s willingness to take us down this path is a reflective of their own personal ambitions combined with a complete lack of interest in actually solving our nation’s problems. A plea to our lesser emotions is easy, and sometimes effective, but by doing so, both Palin and Gingrich are demonstrating why neither one of them will ever be capable of inspiring the birth of a better America.

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#13. To: mininggold, lucysmom (#12)

So have we officially declared war on them,
My opinion? No. But ask lucy - she's the one who said we were.
or should we just open the WWII era detention camps again and shove them in?
IF we declare war (which we haven't), and IF it is deemed necessary to WIN the war, yes . . .
I guess you just don't appreciate Bush's balancing act.
Beyond stating the obvious fact that Bush was a shitty president, I'm not going to feed your paranoia and insanity. Sorry.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-14   12:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ignore Amos (#13)

And with your last comment you show your trollish Alinsky ways again.

I'm sure Lucy only gets her info from official government sources just like me and you. Al Qaeda seems to be the opponents always mentioned by them, unless you think Bush was a liar.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   12:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#14)

And with your last comment you show your trollish Alinsky ways again.
Okay, now THAT was totally off the wall. You'll have to explain that one to me.
I'm sure Lucy only gets her info from official government sources just like me and you.
Well, God gave us brains. We can and do sometimes use them to come to differenct conclusions (even given the same information sources.)
Al Qaeda seems to be the opponents always mentioned by them, unless you think Bush was a liar.
Did I miss where Clinton said Al-Qaeda was NOT the enemy? Did I miss where Zero said Al-Qaeda was not the enemy?

You're not going to get anywhere or understand anything until you get past your insane Bush fixation. Realize he was just as much a puppet as the current WH occupant is.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-14   12:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ignore Amos (#15) (Edited)

ou're not going to get anywhere or understand anything until you get past your insane Bush fixation. Realize he was just as much a puppet as the current WH occupant is.

I've always believed the last five pres's were puppets. Every time they summon old Henry to the rescue.

I've wondered about your 'dancing around the issues ways' here. Evidently you're just here to spin and rewrite the Bush years. Sorry..... FDR got credit for WWII, not Truman, he got credit for Korea not Eisenhower, LBJ got Vietnam not Nixon/Ford.. Bush has two wars to his credit and it will forever be the Bush legacy not Obama's or whoever. You have to learn to give credit where credit is due otherwise you muddy the waters for Obama's and future pres's 'legacies'.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   12:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#16)

Evidently you're just here to spin and rewrite the Bush years.

Nope.

Evidently . . . you've got a terminal case of BDS.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-14   13:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ignore Amos (#1)

There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-14   13:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ignore Amos (#17)

Evidently . . . you've got a terminal case of BDS.

More of your Alinsky code phrases I guess. You want to rewrite history, sorry...won't happen, no matter how much you try to muddy the waters.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   13:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mad Dog (#2)

Yeah - 40 Trojan horse Marxists, hypocrites, and weasels masquerading as "religious leaders."

HA!

So now what? Shall we now report Palin's list of 4,000 "religious leaders" who support her statement on the proposed Muzzie-flag and mosque in the shadow of the buildings Muzzies blew up?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#18)

There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).

It also offers first class winter skiing with resorts where many Europeans spend vacations. Go figure.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   13:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Parrot with speed dial (#3)

Ok, alright - I know where you're coming from and I agree with you much of the time.

But what's you opinion on THIS issue?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom, Ignore Amos (#5)

Yeah, cause we ain't gotta do it until they do.

Hey Lucy - here's a quick primer about "Islam":

ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW NEW NON-ISLAM HOUSES of WORSHIP TO BE BUILT.

How can you be so blind and insular? I mean really - I feel sorry for you because you actually believe your tolerance and acceptance won't result in slavery and death.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#6)

there very same people were quite as a church mouse about Rev. Wright and Obama's hate-filled book.

How about that? The hypocrisy and open agenda of middle-fingered subversiveness is stunning.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: jwpegler (#18)

There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).

Interesting - thanks. I wasn't aware of that.

But really - I'm an "it's none of our business" kind of guy. In my perfect world, we'd mind our own business, take care of our own affairs here in the US, and leave others to fend for ourselves. We cannot be - nor should we be - the world's policeman or arbiter of rights.

We used to be what was known as a "beacon". We were a place to escape to. People could escape these regimes (like modern day Saudi Arabia or Iran). But they came here with the understanding that they would eventually assimilate. Oh, there were "Irish" enclaves, and "Korea" towns. That's fine. But don't expect me to learn Korean. You're now in the US - learn our damn language.

If you don't, the only one persecuting you is . . . yourself.

I digress. The original topic of this thread concerned the group "Faith in Public Life".

To me, it's just another "group" who knows they can get publicity bashing Palin, Gingrich, Fox News, or whatever the target du joir of the insane Left is.

My point was - they are criticizing what happens to be one of the free-est societies on Earth when it comes to religious tolerance.

And I get rather tired of their "selective" criticism.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-14   13:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lucysmom, Ignore Amos, parrot with speed dial, all (#8)

The point is allowing a Muslim community center to be built two blocks away from the WTC is about who we are and what we believe concerning religious freedom, not about who Muslims in Tehran are.

No...

That's the way this false premise has been framed.

If this Mosque is allowed to stick it's finger in America's eye and become its symbol of dominance, I can assure you the Muzzies may as well be detonating a nuke in NYC because they know EXACTLY what this will lead to...

IT will be blown up to smithereens in no time, and then the tit-for-tat clusterf*** will be on.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ignore Amos (#11)

You are an excellent poster.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mininggold (#19)

You want to rewrite history, sorry

I'll bite

What history have I rewritten?

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-14   13:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold, Ignore Amos (#12)

So have we officially declared war on them, or should we just open the WWII era detention camps again and shove them in?

Both...

Oh, and by the way, grab yourself a burka and bottle of Gilbey's on the way into your Stalag.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#24)

How about that? The hypocrisy and open agenda of middle-fingered subversiveness is stunning.

So YOU and Nebby keep lists of every issue and whether it's been addressed by each poster here or not. What a conservative thing to do!!! I'm sure there's an amendment in the US constitution addressing that very 'convervative' ideal.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   13:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Brian S (#0)

Hate Speech - Anything that makes liberals look ridiculous.

This is the type of leftwing insanity thats leading to November's asskicking.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-14   13:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ignore Amos, mininggold, lucysmom (#13)

Beyond stating the obvious fact that Bush was a shitty president, I'm not going to feed your paranoia and insanity. Sorry.

Lol...Isn't that the point here sometimes?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#32)

Lol...Isn't that the point here sometimes?

Yet you are the one dealing in vague code phrases. Go figure

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   13:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mininggold, Nebuchadnezzar (#30)

So YOU and Nebby keep lists of every issue and whether it's been addressed by each poster here or not.

Not necessarily. It's just a matter of you and Leftist-liberals possessing selective memories regarding self-serving issues.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#33)

Yet you are the one dealing in vague code phrases. Go figure

If you think that was "vague" OR "code," please move to the back of the class....waaaay back in the last row.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#34) (Edited)

Not necessarily. It's just a matter of you and Leftist-liberals possessing selective memories regarding self-serving issues.

Sounds like you are selective on the whole free speech thingy. I can see you loving this country to be a theocracy, until your ox is gored that is. LOLOL

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   13:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: jwpegler (#18)

There are Christian churches in Iran (our "enemy"), but not in Saudi Arabia (our so-called good buddy).

I wonder why Dubya or Poppy never addressed that with the Saudi Prince? (extreme s/)

There is NO way a brand new Catholic Church or Synagogue would ever be built in Iran - and not especially where ever Christians or Jews wanted.

Notice the Muslims demand to build WHERE EVER they damn well please - Whether it's Jerusalem or NYC.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   13:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#27)

Thanks - but it's probably the coffee (It's Saturday, and I'm working on my second pot)

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-14   14:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#36)

I can see you loving this country to be a theocracy...

Have you met Pete? I give you two my blessing in unholy matrimonial bliss (actually that would be "ignorance.")

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   14:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ignore Amos (#38)

(It's Saturday, and I'm working on my second pot)

HEH - I'd like to see you hittin' the ol' espresso.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   14:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#21)

It also offers first class winter skiing with resorts where many Europeans spend vacations.

You must be confusing Iran with Turkey.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   14:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Badeye (#31) (Edited)

This is the type of leftwing insanity thats leading to November's asskicking.

And now that Muslim President 0bama's come out in the open and advocated the Mosque be built nearby the WTC ashes, the Dems are cringing even more.

The question is: WILL the GOP have the balls to mention it on the campaign trail?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   14:09:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator (#41)

You must be confusing Iran with Turkey.

Look it up.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   14:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#39)

Have you met Pete? I give you two my blessing in unholy matrimonial bliss (actually that would be "ignorance.")

Why.... does he not like theocracies either?

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   14:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ignore Amos (#9) (Edited)

1. Who or what is the US presently at war with?

Mexico, but every president after Ike has pretended not to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2010-08-14   14:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#42)

I found this on the forum where your best posting 'friend' banned you. It's rather long. Maybe you can read it between naps.

Written by a Christian from Idaho too. I doubt he's mustered as many Christian brownie points as you have though.

"The War Party's New Torchlight Parade

Contrived Controversy: Protesting the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque."

The most powerful patron of radical Islam is not Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia. It is the government headquartered in Washington, D.C., which for more than a half-century has diligently cultivated Islamic terrorism. Yet millions of Americans are suffering what amounts to a collective loss of bladder control over the purported threat embodied in the proposed Cordoba House -- the Islamic equivalent of a YMCA -- in New York City.

Allowing the "Ground Zero Mosque" to be built, insists Newt Gingrich, would be tantamount to "surrender" in a struggle against those implacably committed to our destruction. New York gubernatorial hopeful Carl Paladino, a New York crony capitalist who anointed himself a paladin of the Tea Party movement, has made opposition to the "Ground Zero Mosque" the central plank of his campaign. Paladino, who has profited handsomely from government's redistribution of wealth, promises that if elected he will confiscate the property used for the Muslim Community Center through eminent domain and use the land to erect a war memorial.

Writing in National Review, former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy insists that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf -- the Kuwait-born U.S. citizen who leads the Cordoba Initiative -- is pursuing a "stealth jihad" as a fellow-traveler of the Muslim Brotherhood. "The Ground Zero project is a test of America's resolve to face down a civilizational jihad that that aims, in the words of its leaders, to destroy us from within," maintains McCarthy.

According to Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association (AFA) the problem isn't the proposal to build a Muslim cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero. Rather, it's the fact that the government ruling us permits the existence of mosques anywhere in the United States.

Since "every single mosque is a potential terror training center or recruiting center for jihad," Muslims "cannot claim First Amendment Protections," maintains Fischer (who, in addition to supporting case-specific abolition of the First Amendment, has previously called for the abolition of the habeas corpus guarantee as well).

Rather than focusing exclusively on the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, the AFA and like-minded organizations have instigated a nation-wide campaign to protest construction of Muslim houses of worship in more than a half-dozen states. Like McCarthy, Fischer treats Imam Rauf as an asset of the Muslim Brotherhood, which (according to Fischer) is "at the heart and center... the soul of Islam in America."

Here's a quick digest of the charges leveled by Fischer, which are typical of this manufactured controversy:

Islamic houses of worship serve as recruiting centers for soldiers of jihad, who will kill and die on behalf of Sharia Law. Many Islamic clerics, including Imam Feisal, are joined at the hip with the Muslim Brotherhood -- the most powerful element of the international Islamic terrorist network.

Jihadist at work? Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (right).

Stipulating that those concerns are genuine, and that the proper course of action would be to target the greatest offenders first, the campaign to shut down the global jihad should target the United States Government -- and the Republican-dominated Evangelical Churches that serve as military recruiting stations for the Regime in Washington.

During the past decade, a Middle Eastern nation of roughly 30,000,000 people once ruled by a secular government succumbed to Sharia Law. The predictable results of that catastrophe included a dramatic increase in religious violence, such as the persecution of professional women whose dress and conduct are now seen as unacceptable. More than half of the Christian population of that country -- which includes congregations tracing their roots back to the original disciples -- was driven into exile.

That nation is Iraq, which suffered for decades under Washington's loathsome subcontractor Saddam Hussein before Saddam's employer decided to remove the middleman.

For a dozen years after the 1991 Gulf War -- which followed the Washington- instigated Iraqi assault on Kuwait, which itself was a sequel to the Washington- abetted Iraqi war with Iran -- the country was suffocated by a murderous embargo punctuated with the occasional terror-bombing. After being softened up for more than a decade, Iraq was invaded and occupied by U.S. troops who killed and died in order to install an Islamist government whose new constitution formally enshrines Sharia Law.

When American jingoists offer misty-eyed tributes to the soldiers who died in the course of "liberating" Iraq, it could be said that they are, in effect, praising the efforts of men and women who are martyrs to the cause of Sharia Law.

This outcome is not an historical anomaly. For the past six decades, the Anglo- American elite (with Washington assuming the senior partner role after World War II) has assiduously promoted the most violent strains of revolutionary Islam, often -- but not exclusively -- as a strategic weapon in the context of the Cold War.

Professional revolutionary: Afghani.

The Muslim Brotherhood -- which grew out of the late-19th Century agitation of Persian-born professional revolutionary Jamal Eddine al-Afghani -- has long been one of the Anglo-American elite's most important strategic assets, as well as the talent pool that was used to staff the deadliest terrorist network in the Muslim world.

While he was superficially the most devout and pious of Muslim believers, Al- Afghani, writes Robert Dreyfuss in his valuable book The Devil's Game, "a heterodox thinker who was a Freemason, a mystic, a political operative, and above all ... someone who believed in the `social utility of religion.'"

After serving as a Russian agent in the 1860s, Afghani defected to the British. He was in London's employ when he made a disciple of an Egyptian Sugist named Mohammed Abduh.

During the 1870s, Afghani and Abduh used Cairo's storied Al-Azhar mosque as a recruiting center for a revolutionary network, which gathered cadres from throughout the Middle East and Europe. Afghani also founded a lodge of his Arab Masonic society, which became the headquarters of what Egyptian police called "young Thugs" -- a description invoking India's notorious Thugee Cult, an oath-bound fraternity of murderers.

When Afghani was eventually expelled from Egypt, his disciple Abduh remained, eventually rising to become the nation's Mufti (supreme interpreter of Islamic law) in 1899. Like his mentor, Abduh considered revolution to be his religion, and the Islamic faith to be a vessel for his political ambitions. Among those who fell under Abduh's influence was Hassan Al-Banna, the schoolteacher who gave tangible form to Abduh's revolutionary designs by founding the Ikhwan al- Mulimeen (Islamic Brotherhood) in 1928.

Disciple and organizer: Abduh.

Reflecting the influence of Afghani and Abduh, Banna organized the Brotherhood into cells (called "families") of five to seven members.

The Brotherhood "was more than a movement," writes Dreyfuss. "It was a cult, it was a revivalist party, it was an intelligence operation, it was a paramilitary unit, and it was an international organization that was rapidly building branches in many Middle Eastern countries." During World War II, Dreyfuss continues, Brotherhood cadres were recruited by British, Nazi, and Soviet intelligence agencies.

"In the eastern regions of the Soviet empire, where the Nazis were more interested in oil than ethnic cleansing, the Third Reich mobilized Muslims and other ethnic minorities to fight for the liberation of their homelands," writes Eliza Griswold in The New Republic, summarizing the findings in Ian Johnson's recent book A Mosque in Munich. "The Nazis plucked Muslims from German prisoner- of-war camps; some Muslims became German soldiers, members of the SS; some, professional propagandists.... Once World War II ended, many of these men, stuck in Germany and having lost their homelands, found a new employer: the United States."

Brotherhood founder al-Banna.

A CIA-created propaganda arm called Radio Liberty employed "many of these former Nazi sympathizers," Griswold points out. In 1953 -- the same year the CIA and MI6, working through a network of Islamic radicals, brought down the Iranian government of Mohammed Mossadegh -- the White House hosted 27-year-old Said Ramadan, the Muslim Brotherhood's chief international organizer in addition to being son-in-law to Hassan al-Banna's son-in-law, who had been assassinated in 1949.

In subsequent years, many adherents of the Brotherhood -- including former Nazi sympathizers who worked with the CIA -- affiliated with the Al-Quds Mosque in Munich. Among them was Mahmoud Abouhalima, a Brotherhood member who became a leader in the CIA-funded Afghan mujahadeen and later played a prominent role in the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

Abouhalima, who spent the late 1980s networking with radicals among American Muslims, sponsored the 1990 visit of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, later convicted of "seditious conspiracy" in the 1993 WTC attack. Despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list, Sheik Omar was granted a visa at the U.S. consulate in Khartoum: As something other than coincidence had it, the CIA station chief personally attended to the matter by substituting for the consular official who was usually in charge of issuing visas.

Ike and Ikhwan: Brotherhood leader Said Ramadan is at the far right, holding papers.

Like practically everyone else involved in the 1993 WTC plot, Omar had also been an asset of the U.S. Government. The same is true of former U.S. Army Special Forces Captain Ali Mohammed, who -- according to investigators -- most likely "called the shots" in the bombing conspiracy. Despite -- or perhaps because of -- that fact, Mohammed went on to become a "privileged asset" of the FBI.

In 2001, Mohammed pleaded guilty -- "in exchange for considerations" -- to charges arising from the 1998 bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. He then disappeared into the witness protection program, where he remains to this day.

The extent to which the Muslim Brotherhood is (in Bryan Fischer's phrase) "the soul of Islam in America" reflects the tireless efforts of our rulers to nurture radical Islam as a strategic asset -- both for prosecuting war abroad and making war on us at home by terrorizing us into supporting its corrupt, needlessly bellicose foreign policy.

In his eagerness to strip American citizens who profess the Muslim religion of their rights, Bryan Fischer offers an analogy to the recent arrest of the so- called Hutaree Militia in Michigan on charges of seditious conspiracy. "The fact that they were a Christian militia did not stop them from being locked up,"Fischer told an interviewer.

Had his research into the Hutaree case been more exhaustive than scanning headlines, Fischer may have discovered that the rapidly disintegrating case against that group was built entirely on the claims made by an informant- provocateur employed by the FBI. The same is true of practically every recent "terrorism" case involving American Muslims.

If there is reason to be suspicious of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, it would not be his sensible criticism of Washington's foreign policy; instead, it would be his willingness to cooperate with the FBI, which seems more interested in manufacturing "terrorist plots" than interdicting them.

Not having access to his unspoken plans and motives, I cannot say whether Imam Rauf is sincere or duplicitous in his efforts to encourage mutual respect and understanding among people of different faiths. However, I am impressed by the answer he gave in 2006 when asked what his "Ramadan wish" would be for the world:

"[I would wish that] we would remember that the two greatest commandments that God gave us through the mouths of his many prophets and messengers, including Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed -- to love the Lord our God and to love our neighbors. It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you. If that can be the criterion of our foreign policy, I guarantee you that our foreign policy will be successful and wildly popular."

As the treatment given to its Author demonstrates, preaching the Golden Rule will always provoke the murderous hostility of the ruling elite. Apparently, the last thing many American Christians can abide is the spectacle of an American Muslim leader who -- whatever else he may be up to -- insists that we abide by the central moral tenet of the Christian faith."

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   14:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold (#46)

It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-08-14   15:13:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Liberator (#26)

If this Mosque...

Community center.

...is allowed to stick it's finger in America's eye and become its symbol of dominance...

What do you call invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq?

I can assure you the Muzzies may as well be detonating a nuke in NYC because they know EXACTLY what this will lead to...

What will it lead to?

Don't worry, I'm sure the "Muzzies" know exactly who is in charge - we've killed enough of them to get the message across.

IT will be blown up to smithereens in no time, and then the tit-for-tat clusterf*** will be on.

I would guess they know something about being blown to smithereens too.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-14   15:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#48)

What do you call invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-08-14   15:28:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

These people are smart. They know if the government can control one religion then they can control the all religions.

Back in the 80s, and much to the dismay of his congregation, Jerry Falwell himself once argued on behalf of the rights of neo-pagans / Wicca.

Today's "conservatives" aren't that smart or principled because they've been hornswoggled by the neo-con interlopers.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-14   15:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom (#48)

If this Mosque... Community center.

...is allowed to stick it's finger in America's eye and become its symbol of dominance...

What do you call invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq?

I can assure you the Muzzies may as well be detonating a nuke in NYC because they know EXACTLY what this will lead to...

What will it lead to?

Don't worry, I'm sure the "Muzzies" know exactly who is in charge - we've killed enough of them to get the message across.

IT will be blown up to smithereens in no time, and then the tit-for-tat clusterf*** will be on.

I would guess they know something about being blown to smithereens too.

"Community Center"? lucysmom, you can sugar coat BULL SHIT all you want, but it's still going to smell like Bull Shit!

You don't have to, and probably will dance all around it, spinning and wafflng, but explain to me what you mean by "I would guess they know something about being blown to smithereesn...too"

Is this your way of saying that if they do get a foot hold here and Blow Up more building and murder thousands...we deserve it?

Hey lady, that includes you and your family too, if they attack us on our own soil....

Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Murron  posted on  2010-08-14   15:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Murron (#51)

Rhino  posted on  2010-08-14   16:14:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Rhino (#52)

It's enough to make a red-blooded American cry....this nations new motto is "fuck the people, we're going to do it anyway"~

Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Murron  posted on  2010-08-14   16:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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