The biggest summer for racial tension since 1994 continues, this time with a strange, n-word-laden rant from what has been typically perceived as a fairly innocuous source: Dr. Laura Schlessinger. Speaking to a black caller who called for advice on handling racial tensions with her white husband, Dr. Laura uses the offensive word eleven times and ultimately tells the caller that if she doesn't "have a sense of humor," she should not "marry out of your race."
And Lara Big Bush is a fucking idiot. He point was that she had no point. Race isn;t a hilarious issue. Just because some blacks say nigger with impunity it doesn't make it acceptable to the woman who called...Lara Big Bush assumed that the caller had no issue with this because the caller was black...a racist assumption on her part. It'sc called the Fallacy of Negation...because blacks use the word nigger it's acceptable.
And saying "You black people love [whatever]..." most CERTAINLy has racial and stereotypical overtones.
Words have no intrinsic power. They are only as powerful as we allow them to be.
And before you go off on a rant (no, I've never been called a {n-word], understand that we are never going to "get past" this racial bullshit until we quit GIVING these words power.
Her point about racial tension being worse since Zero took office is spot on.
And I'll go one further - the ONLY people who have a supposed "problem" with this word are those who have a vested interest in having a problem with it.
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Her point about racial tension being worse since Zero took office is spot on.
It's not worse. it's just more apparent.
Is racism a white problem or a black problem, dude?
And I'll go one further - the ONLY people who have a supposed "problem" with this word are those who have a vested interest in having a problem with it.
Know a lot of blacks who enjoy being called a nigger, do you?
When people are reluctant to criticize a policy or a politician for fear of being labeled a "racist", then it's EVERYONE's problem.
Exactly. From your ittle rant, you make it sound as if it's a black problem.
Bro...
If you or I have spent any time living on this planet, we've been called something we don't like.
And given a separate water fountain...and school...and hotels...and hospitals...and denied voting rights and so on along with being called something we didn't like.
Quick...make a moral relativism case out of it by claiming that USED to happen while ignoring the fact that absent laws it still WOULD happen...
And given a separate water fountain...and school...and hotels...and hospitals...and denied voting rights and so on along with being called something we didn;t like.
You'd be hard pressed to find any blacks alive today who've ever been subjected to that.
Exactly. From your ittle rant, you make it sound as if it's a black problem.
I actually wrote "those who have a vested interest in [having a problem with the word].
When it advances their statist goals, white people can have a vested interest, too. Harry Reid, for instance, is white.
And given a separate water fountain...and school...and hotels...and hospitals...and denied voting rights and so on along with being called something we didn;t like.
You make my point that (in the space of my lifetime) we've advanced light years in terms of race. The sad thing is - there are the Jacksons, Reids, and Pelosis of the world who continue to stir the pot for their own selfish ends.
Quick...make a moral relativism case out of it by claiming that USED to happen while ignoring the fact that absent laws it still WOULD happen...
So you think I'm an anarchist? Cool.
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Nope. And you stated exactly as I predicted you would. IT USED TO HAPPEN AND WE"VE MOVED LIGHT YEARS?
Is this like the location of Trantor in Second Foundation...the irony of opposite ends of the universe...?
We've gone near nowhere with race on our own. We've needed laws and continued cajoling. You ask a black man if he'd rather have a job and be called nigger or have no job at all and his response would probably be what's the difference?
My worldview is man is NOT perfectible. He can be made better - he can create societies and in those societies he can address wrongs. But we will never achieve perfection on this Earth. Sorry. There are laws against murder, but murder will always happen.
Likewise there are policies that have been put in place to address egregious wrongs - people not being able to vote, get medical help, etc. simply due to the color of their skin. These are good things, and I applaud them.
But at some point, we have to say enough. Because - racism (like murder) is NEVER going to be completely extinguished. No matter how many laws are passed. Not as long as we remain human beings.
At some point, the law of diminishing returns kicks in. Continuing this view that "we have NOT progressed past racism" and "more laws are needed" fits the bill.
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What a shitty counselor she is. She never listens.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
Well...we're barely a generation removed from addressing the problem which festered for a couple of centuries...my view is that we have a ways to go...this is only round 2...
Saying nigger shouldn't be forbidden, but referring to black people as nigger is disgusting, and a sign of a pathetic person.
Is referring to someone as a "nigger" worse than "mother-f*****"?
How did referring to someone as "nigger" singularly become criteria as "Hate Speech" and the one word in the English language one can be ostracized and fired over (that is ONLY if the utterer is White)?
Of course semantic wars and the lesser of "sticks & stones" is really just about the Power to define and thus criminalize or marginalize.
What would you have done? Yelled and screamed at Dr. Laura like a crazed banshee, demanded that she take "sensitivity training," or reported her to the "proper authorities"?
My worldview is man is NOT perfectible. He can be made better - he can create societies and in those societies he can address wrongs. But we will never achieve perfection on this Earth. Sorry. There are laws against murder, but murder will always happen.
Legislating politeness and propriety is something the Left fantasizes over - but only on their terms. It's ALL a one-way street as far as they're concerned. Power is that way.
So what has the Left done to "correct" what they deems as contemporary wrongs? They've established an un-constitutional socio-economic system where the citizenry ARE judged and hired by the color of their skin, their gender, and their ethnicity - it's called "Affirmative Action," and enforced by the mob in DC.
It has nothing to do with "fairness," and everything to do with Power and un-fairness.
we're barely a generation removed from addressing the problem which festered for a couple of centuries...my view is that we have a ways to go...this is only round 2...
Somehow you believe 35 years of Affirmative Action and hiring bias based on the color of skin and ethnicity instead of qualifications isn't going to result in major blow-back at a time of economic Depression?
And hasn't dumbed-down American education devolved enough for you? We're a nation of morons which has to import brain cell activity because of Commie do-gooders like you. Little Johnny's watered-down Bachelor's degree is the equivalent of Jethro Bodine's 6th Grade education these days.
You are so far off the wall and detached from reality, it's mind-boggling.
Somehow you believe 35 years of Affirmative Action and hiring bias based on the color of skin and ethnicity instead of qualifications isn't going to result in major blow-back at a time of economic Depression...
Blah blah blah and yet after 25 years on Wall Street I could be a quadruple amputee and count the number of black bosses I've had...in fact, give me an arm back and I can probably count how many blacks have had a position parallel to mine. I'm still waiting to come home to the Mexican family you claim is going to demand my house, too. Got an ETA on their arrival?
And you know goddammed well that "ethnicity" has zipola to do with this discussion. I'm not that dumb and you're certainly not that clever.
Blacks comprise 10% of the work force have a disproportionately high unemployment rate. There are enough of "them" to cause the major dislocation on the workforce as you are intimating here.
YOU: "We've gone near nowhere with race on our own. We've needed laws and continued cajoling."
It's not that hard to read between your lines.
I'll make you a deal...you find a post in which I so advocate and I will leave. if you can't...YOU leave. Done?
Cut the Bette Davis melodramatics, pal. "Laws." "We needed laws." That's YOU, ain't it?
Calling for race "laws" is where your not so ambiguous advocacy is obvious. Or are you now going to deny the laws you want enacted are mere "name-calling" laws?
You're quite the slithering piece of work, Miss Davis.
I cited the reasons...water fountains...hotels...hospitals...schools...voting...and stated that if those laws were removed there would some who would push for a return to those days...
after 25 years on Wall Street I could be a quadruple amputee and count the number of black bosses I've had...
Most people count with their eyes.
in fact, give me an arm back and I can probably count how many blacks have had a position parallel to mine.
And that's the fault of WHOM? "Racist" Whitey? Or gubmint for not enforcing unqualified people via AA?
I'm still waiting to come home to the Mexican family you claim is going to demand my house, too. Got an ETA on their arrival?
Yeah. Just as soon as you leave the insular, well-policed nest of NYC suburbia, and find yourself living in the southwest within a 100 miles of the Mexican border.
I cited the reasons...water fountains...hotels...hospitals...schools...voting...and stated that if those laws were removed there would some who would push for a return to those days...
Blacks comprise 10% of the work force have a disproportionately high unemployment rate. There are enough of "them" to cause the major dislocation on the workforce as you are intimating here.
Yes, and the "disproportionately high unemployment rate" JUST might have something to do with the 75% illegitimacy rate, the destruction of the black family, the ostracism of blacks in school who want to learn for "acting white," and a culture that ridicules scholastic achievement. Hadn't you been paying any attention to the Bill Cosby? Man, you ARE ignorant.
You also seem to ignore the leadership of black culture stressing "entitlement" instead of the meritorious achievement as in other cultures like Asian, Jewish, and Indian.
Sucks for you that since the CRA and voting rights, the black middle class and upper class have been growing. Or as you would say, look at those goddam niggers achieving.
You also seem to ignore the leadership of black culture stressing "entitlement" instead of the meritorious achievement
Please, Libby...you are hardly one to characterize what black community leaders stress. Do you really want a college educated person to believe that "black culture" [sic] is being told "You don't need to work or educate yourselves"?
You've said so many goddam stupid things in this conversation...
it's that she is defending calling black people nigger to their face as if it isn't racist.
You missed her entire point.
IF as you say - the word is so terrible (and for the record, it's not a word I use), why is it "okay" for black entertainers to utter it in public? How can you defend double standards?
My point - which no one has addressed - is that words only have power when we give them power.
IF we are all interested in "getting past" racism, why not just refuse to give the word power?
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You also seem to ignore the leadership of black culture stressing "entitlement" instead of the meritorious achievement as in other cultures like Asian, Jewish, and Indian.
This black woman is a leader in a black community:
Oral Lee challenged students by demanding their very best efforts and they respected her and responded to her faith in them. They delivered the grades, knowing that Mama Brown would be there to help buy a prom dress or a pair of shoes, or deal with relationships issues or drug-addiction at home. They confided in her, relied on her, and believed in her when she offered the promise of an education and a better life away from Oaklands inner city problems.
Ms. Brown continues to financially support future education and mentor students, meeting with their parents on a regular basis. She sponsors an annual Scholarship Gala to celebrate the graduation of the Oral Lee Brown Foundation scholarship students. Nineteen of the original twenty-three students have graduated from high school and are currently enrolled in college.
Sucks for you that since the CRA and voting rights, the black middle class and upper class have been growing. Or as you would say, look at those goddam niggers achieving.
Actually what "sucks" is unqualified deadbeats receiving loans that they should have NEVER received in the first place helped FUBAR the economy. It was nothing but AA money subsidized by hardworking Americans. Funny, but even Dubya supported CRA.
But let's face it - through AA and gubmint-enforced preference hiring in gubmint and the private sector, reparations has been paid and the primary reason a black middle class/upper class has grown leaps and bounds.
I encourage all meritorious achievement and accomplishment - but you don't give a sh*t either way or "equality", just as long as you keep on creaming yourself over an enforced socialism.
Legislate God out of the picture (He's so passe, doncha know?). With Him gone, SOMEONE has to legislate morality.
Who better than the omnipotent, all-knowing State?
Yup.
God is an "uptight, unfair fascist" to the pods.
The State knows better; how to heal their planet; and how to feed their "Hope & Change" fetish as they ALL bend over.
They want Secular Humanism? They'll get its hellish system. Buy hey - we won't be around too much longer to feel the lash of that anti-Christ Slave State.
Do you really want a college educated person to believe that "black culture" [sic] is being told "You don't need to work or educate yourselves"?
"Want"?? What I want is for blacks to reject the "victim" mentality encouraged by Sharpton, the NAACP, and guilty white patronizing socialist liberals like yourself in keeping the brothas down.
Please, Libby...you are hardly one to characterize what black community leaders stress.
Geez, you're a f***ing ignoramus. LOL, Yoda...
You've said so many goddam stupid things in this conversation...
The State knows better; how to heal their planet; and how to feed their "Hope & Change" fetish as they ALL bend over.
I'll "confess" to being a Christian - so it is difficult for me to understand the mindset of agnostics or atheists.
Many of them tend to be what society considers well-educated and intelligent. Yet they miss one of the most basic human traits that I - as someone whose wall is sorely lacking in framed degrees - have observed all my life.
Blaise Pascal observed it when he wrote about a God shaped vacuum in the heart of every man.
Even if one questions or denies the existence of God, it does not seem intellectually honest to deny this one trait of human nature. Especially when we have seen it played out in culture after culture throughout human history.
It's difficult for me, but I will attempt to argue from an agnostic point of view. I believe I can make the case that man NEEDS an external, larger than himself entity to be the arbiter of laws, rules and order in a society.
Without arguing whether or not the Founders were Christians or even believers in God (some were, some weren't), they DID recognize the benefit of assigning the source of human rights to Him. Thus the term "endowed by their Creator" in the founding documents.
Unfortunately for us here in 2010, the Constitution they created was NOT a supernatural document. It depended (and still depends) upon humans to enact and enforce it. So here we are, after 200 short years of human tinkering and outright corruption, with nothing more than what Bush described as a " . . . piece of paper."
Whether agnostics and atheists of the statist variety wish to acknowledge it or not, the "glorious" humanistic utopia they wish to create will be given god- like powers. The laws of human nature are just as sure as the laws of physics or gravity.
Where will they be then?
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Without arguing whether or not the Founders were Christians or even believers in God (some were, some weren't), they DID recognize the benefit of assigning the source of human rights to Him. Thus the term "endowed by their Creator" in the founding documents.
Unfortunately for us here in 2010, the Constitution they created was NOT a supernatural document. It depended (and still depends) upon humans to enact and enforce it. So here we are, after 200 short years of human tinkering and outright corruption, with nothing more than what Bush described as a " . . . piece of paper."
Whether agnostics and atheists of the statist variety wish to acknowledge it or not, the "glorious" humanistic utopia they wish to create will be given god- like powers. The laws of human nature are just as sure as the laws of physics or gravity.
Thanks...
That was one of the best, well-articulated posts on the subject that I have ever seen.
Where will they be then?
Dead, still rejecting calls from within their "heart-shaped vacuums," or finally seeing the Light.
What would you have done? Yelled and screamed at Dr. Laura like a crazed banshee, demanded that she take "sensitivity training," or reported her to the "proper authorities"?
uh the Husband was at a social engagement where people were dropping the n bomb in front of his black wife. I'd have told them to shut up.
Is referring to someone as a "nigger" worse than "mother-f*****"?
Yes.
> How did referring to someone as "nigger" singularly become criteria as "Hate Speech" and the one word in the English language one can be ostracized and fired over (that is ONLY if the utterer is White)?
It isn't the only word. It is so bad because treating people as inhuman because of their skin color was the worst thing the US has ever done.
IF as you say - the word is so terrible (and for the record, it's not a word I use), why is it "okay" for black entertainers to utter it in public? How can you defend double standards?
My point - which no one has addressed - is that words only have power when we give them power.
IF we are all interested in "getting past" racism, why not just refuse to give the word power?
The power of a word is in the meaning behind it. When black people call each other nigga, there isn't a bad meaning behind it. But when in 2010 a non black calls a black a nigger it's calling them subhuman.
Anyone who uses the n word derogatorily is a fucking ignorant pig.
I don't think Dr Laura is racist, she is just naive.
The power of a word is in the meaning behind it. When black people call each other nigga, there isn't a bad meaning behind it.
Who are you to decide what is or is not a bad meaning? And unless it involves you, a friend or a relative, what business is it of yours?
But when in 2010 a non black calls a black a nigger it's calling them subhuman.
Again, who are you to decide?
We can probably all agree that, whatever else one is who uses the word, they are stupid. And, try as statists might, they are NEVER going to be able to legislate stupidity out of existence.
Anyone who uses the n word derogatorily is a fucking ignorant pig.
Can't argue with that. But my original point stands. Words only have the power we give them.
Until we decide to "tone down" the ultra-sensistivity, and grow the hell up, this shit is going to continue to destroy us.
I don't think Dr Laura is racist, she is just naive.
I don't know her personally, I don't listen to her show, so I don't know what she is.
In hindsight, she probably shouldn't have used the word.
I hope and pray for a time when this kind of shit won't matter and WON'T make the news.
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a black caller who called for advice on handling racial tensions with her white husband
This entire discussion is nonsense.
Let's see where it started: A black woman has racial tensions with her white husband.
Then, why did they get married?
I'm white and I'm married to an Asian woman. We don't have any racial tensions. We don't even fight that much. Instead, we respect each other, love each other, and help each other. When we do fight, it's a private matter between us.
I am so sick of the race baiters. I just don't want to hear it anymore.
lol, you got it! The useless bastard his own self.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
It ["Nigger"] isn't the only word. It is so bad because treating people as inhuman because of their skin color was the worst thing the US has ever done.
Makes NO sense.
If it were so egregious the Homies wouldn't be using it as everyday language.
When black people call each other nigga, there isn't a bad meaning behind it. But when in 2010 a non black calls a black a nigger it's calling them subhuman.
Thanks for the course in mind-reading and selective 1st Amendment re-definition and enforcement of "Hate Speech."
She doesn't even counsel. All she does is wait until an opening to say what she wants to say and then takes over and says her piece.
She doesn't listen to the callers. She doesn't care about the callers.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
She doesn't even counsel. All she does is wait until an opening to say what she wants to say and then takes over and says her piece.
She doesn't listen to the callers. She doesn't care about the callers.
I haven't listened to Dr. Laura for about 10 years. They took her off the air after 911 and replaced her with Glenn Beck. Haven't heard her since. I remember her giving what seemed to me to be good advice.
I haven't heard her for that long either. I used to like her and thought she gave good advice. Then I realized she didn't listen to the callers and was frequently harsh. I think she's a self-serving bitch.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie