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Title: When Government Subsidizes the Movement of Darkies into White Neighborhoods, the White Neighborhoods are Turned Into the Same Lawless Hellholes the Darkies Left
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URL Source: http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/ ... lackness-of-section-8-and.html
Published: Aug 12, 2010
Author: age-of-treason
Post Date: 2010-08-12 09:50:16 by no gnu taxes
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Thirty thousand people showed up to receive Section 8 housing applications in East Point Wednesday, suffering through hours in the hot sun, angry flare-ups in the crowd and lots of frustration and confusion for a chance to receive a government-subsidized apartment.

The Housing Choice Voucher Program, called Section 8, subsidized the rents of low-income families living in apartments and houses that are privately owned. The federal program makes up the difference in rent that the poor can afford and the fair market value for each area.

The same media pundits who pathologize the Tea Party as violent and greedy and too White won't be saying anything like that about this seething crowd of self-interested blacks, or how desperate they are to be delivered from their own kind.

Hanna Rosin's American Murder Mystery tries to bury the answer to the "mystery" of the relationship between Section 8 and crime in paragraphs of tedious, turgid obfuscation. I'll try here to cut through it.

Memphis has always been associated with some amount of violence. But why has Elvis’s hometown turned into America’s new South Bronx? [Lieutenant Doug] Barnes thinks he knows one big part of the answer, as does the city’s chief of police. A handful of local criminologists and social scientists think they can explain it, too. But it’s a dismal answer, one that city leaders have made clear they don’t want to hear. It’s an answer that offers up racial stereotypes to fearful whites in a city trying to move beyond racial tensions. Ultimately, it reaches beyond crime and implicates one of the most ambitious antipoverty programs of recent decades.

Note that neither Rosin, or any of the people she quotes in this article, except perhaps the police, sympathize with the "fearful" Whites. Never once is the terrible cost to Whites mentioned. The main reason this is a "dismal" tale "they don't want to hear", is that Section 8 has not helped non-Whites as much as they would have liked.

[University of Memphis Criminologist Richard] Janikowski might not have managed to pinpoint the cause of this pattern if he hadn’t been married to Phyllis Betts, a housing expert at the University of Memphis. Betts and Janikowski have two dogs, three cats, and no kids; they both tend to bring their work home with them. Betts had been evaluating the impact of one of the city government’s most ambitious initiatives: the demolition of the city’s public-housing projects, as part of a nationwide experiment to free the poor from the destructive effects of concentrated poverty. Memphis demolished its first project in 1997. The city gave former residents federal “Section8” rent-subsidy vouchers and encouraged them to move out to new neighborhoods. Two more waves of demolition followed over the next nine years, dispersing tens of thousands of poor people into the wider metro community.

About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.

Betts remembers her discomfort as she looked at the map. The couple had been musing about the connection for months, but they were amazed—and deflated—to see how perfectly the two data sets fit together. She knew right away that this would be a “hard thing to say or write.” Nobody in the antipoverty community and nobody in city leadership was going to welcome the news that the noble experiment that they’d been engaged in for the past decade had been bringing the city down, in ways they’d never expected. But the connection was too obvious to ignore, and Betts and Janikowski figured that the same thing must be happening all around the country.

After decades of pathologizing millions of "fearful" Whites who objected to Section 8 and other government-imposed racial integration programs as morally and/or mentally defective, statistics show that our fears were justified. But that isn't what Betts is "discomforted" or "deflated" about. What's such a "hard thing to say or write" is that crime and poverty and blackness are connected.

Betts’s office is filled with books about knocking down the projects, an effort considered by fellow housing experts to be their great contribution to the civil-rights movement. The work grew out of a long history of white resistance to blacks’ moving out of what used to be called the ghetto. During much of the 20th century, white people used bombs and mobs to keep black people out of their neighborhoods. In 1949 in Chicago, a rumor that a black family was moving onto a white block prompted a riot that grew to 10,000 people in four days. “Americans had been treating blacks seeking housing outside the ghetto not much better than … [the] cook treated the dog who sought a crust of bread,” wrote the ACLU lawyer and fair-housing advocate Alexander Polikoff in his book Waiting for Gautreaux.

Polikoff is a hero to Betts and many of her colleagues. In August 1966, he filed two related class-action suits against the Chicago Housing Authority and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, on behalf of a woman named Dorothy Gautreaux and other tenants. Gautreaux wanted to leave the ghetto, but the CHA offered housing only in neighborhoods just like hers. Polikoff became notorious in the Chicago suburbs; one community group, he wrote, awarded him a gold-plated pooper-scooper “to clean up all the shit” he wanted to bring into the neighborhood. A decade later, he argued the case before the Supreme Court and won. Legal scholars today often compare the case’s significance to that of Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.

It could be argued that the genocidal monsters who imposed this nightmare might have done so out of ignorance. At least as first. For those who continue to support it now there is no explanation but anti-White animus. Here we can see that animus in the depiction of White violence, decades past, in the same tired pathologizing terms. Why else ignore the self-defensive motivations of Whites long since proven justified, and why present White violence as worse than the more brutal, more enduring, and more widespread black violence perpetrated since?

A well-known Gautreaux study, released in 1991, showed spectacular results. The sociologist James Rosenbaum at Northwestern University had followed 114 families who had moved to the suburbs, although only 68 were still cooperating by the time he released the study. Compared to former public-housing residents who’d stayed within the city, the suburban dwellers were four times as likely to finish high school, twice as likely to attend college, and more likely to be employed. Newsweek called the program “stunning” and said the project renewed “one’s faith in the struggle.” In a glowing segment, a 60 Minutes reporter asked one Gautreaux boy what he wanted to be when he grew up. “I haven’t really made up my mind,” the boy said. “Construction worker, architect, anesthesiologist.” Another child’s mother declared it “the end of poverty” for her family.

In 1992, 7-year-old Dantrell Davis from the Cabrini-Green project was walking to school, holding his mother’s hand, when a stray bullet killed him. The hand-holding detail seemed to stir the city in a way that none of the other murder stories coming out of the high-rises ever had. “Tear down the high rises,” demanded an editorial in the Chicago Tribune, while that boy’s image “burns in our civic memory.”

If replacing housing projects with vouchers had achieved its main goal—infusing the poor with middle-class habits—then higher crime rates might be a price worth paying. But today, social scientists looking back on the whole grand experiment are apt to use words like baffling and disappointing. A large federal-government study conducted over the past decade—a follow-up to the highly positive, highly publicized Gautreaux study of 1991—produced results that were “puzzling,” said Susan Popkin of the Urban Institute.

More fitting words for "the whole grand experiment", as well as those who aid and abet it: mendacious, fraudulent, genocidal. Criminal.

The best Popkin can say is: “It has not lived up to its promise. It has not lifted people out of poverty, it has not made them self-sufficient, and it has left a lot of people behind.”

For Popkin, Rosin, Janikowski, Betts, Polikoff, Rosenbaum, The Atlantic, Newsweek, 60 Minutes, and their fellow travellers, what's really important is that non-Whites haven't benefitted enough. No apologies to the victims of their violence. No refunds for those who have been forced to fund their own genocide.

The article concludes with a talmudic shrug, magically transferring the blame to Whites:

It’s difficult to contemplate solutions to this problem when so few politicians, civil servants, and academics seem willing to talk about it—or even to admit that it exists. Janikowski and Betts are in an awkward position. They are both white academics in a city with many African American political leaders. Neither of them is a Memphis native. And they know that their research will fuel the usual NIMBY paranoia about poor people destroying the suburbs. “We don’t want Memphis to be seen as the armpit of the nation,” Betts said. “And we don’t want to be the ones responsible for framing these issues in the wrong way.”

Pathologizing Whites as "paranoid" is how these issues have long been framed.

Alexander Polikoff's Gautreaux Proposal, written in Nov/Dec 2004, puts it this way:

Ending black ghettos wouldn’t end anti-black attitudes any more than ending Jewish ghettos ended anti-semitism. But it is not easy to find anything in American society that matches the black ghetto for its poisoning effect on attitudes, values and conduct.

Sixty years ago, Gunnar Myrdal wrote: “White prejudice and discrimination keep the Negro low in standards of living, health, education, manners and morals. This, in its turn, gives support to white prejudice.” Decades later, sociologist Elijah Anderson’s studies of a ghetto and an adjacent non-ghetto neighborhood led him to conclude: “The public awareness is color-coded. White skin denotes civility, law-abidingness, and trustworthiness, while black skin is strongly associated with poverty, crime, incivility, and distrust.” In American society at large, most whites act like the ones Anderson studied — their public awareness is also color-coded, and they steer clear of poor blacks and keep them in their ghettos. Predictable ghetto behavior then intensifies whites’ sense of danger, validates their color-coding and drives their conduct.

Sixty years ago this kind of anti-White guilt-tripping might have seemed brave or iconoclastic. Today the government and blacks are the ones inflicting violence on Whites. We can see that "prejudice and discrimination" don't cause black poverty, crime, and incivility. Blacks know it. They prove it by suffering through hours in the hot sun to get an application to be put on a waiting list so they can escape and live amongst Whites. We know that they bring their poverty, crime, and incivility with them.

Knowing all this, we are justified in distrusting, opposing, and even despising the professional grievance mongers who are complicit in it. Their sympathies for blacks, even if sincere, don't excuse the harm their twisted thinking has caused Whites.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Yet the GOP loves to brag that without them the Civil Rights Act would never have passed.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-12   11:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

With your customized headline, this post seems better suited for the cuckoo's nest than here.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-08-12   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

The city gave former residents federal “Section8” rent-subsidy vouchers and encouraged them to move out to new neighborhoods. Two more waves of demolition followed over the next nine years, dispersing tens of thousands of poor people into the wider metro community.

Section 8 housing is indeed designed to poison and thus destroy neighborhoods and eventually towns. I've witnessed this in New Jersey.

And isn't it funny how ZERO Section 8 housing can't be found in Martha's Vineyard, Chappaqua, Beverly Hills, or the Hamptons?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mininggold (#1)

Would you mind if your beloved Fedgov flooded your neighborhood with Section 8 housing?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#3)

And isn't it funny how ZERO Section 8 housing can't be found in Martha's Vineyard, Chappaqua, Beverly Hills, or the Hamptons?

Some years back ABAG (Assoc. of Bay Area Governments) agreed to provide a percentage of low income housing. Tiburon argued that they had already exceed their quota because live in servants were provided rooms.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-12   13:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lucysmom, Liberator, All (#5)

And isn't it funny how ZERO Section 8 housing can't be found in Martha's Vineyard, Chappaqua, Beverly Hills, or the Hamptons?

Some years back ABAG (Assoc. of Bay Area Governments) agreed to provide a percentage of low income housing. Tiburon argued that they had already exceed their quota because live in servants were provided rooms.

So you folks want to talk about Memphis?

My Hometown.

Memphis has always been associated with some amount of violence. But why has Elvis’s hometown turned into America’s new South Bronx? [Lieutenant Doug] Barnes thinks he knows one big part of the answer, as does the city’s chief of police. A handful of local criminologists and social scientists think they can explain it, too. But it’s a dismal answer, one that city leaders have made clear they don’t want to hear. It’s an answer that offers up racial stereotypes to fearful whites in a city trying to move beyond racial tensions. Ultimately, it reaches beyond crime and implicates one of the most ambitious antipoverty programs of recent decades.

8D

First, Memphis is Mecca in the MidSouth.

Which is why there's another Land Clearance underway here.

Second, Memphis has been the World Capitol of both Hardwood, then with that gone, cotton.

And Memphis also has alot of oil. A large refinery keeps gas/oiline available.

With the Mississippi River, Memphis should have tons of wealth. And a lot like New Orleans, it does.

But a lot like Mexico, it's at the Veery Tip Top, and whitey ain't sharing with Uppity Slaves.

More on request. Sure is HOT down here. 102 with 75% humidity.

The Perfect recipe for Rhythym & Blues. New Tunes comin' out as we speak.

Something with Parchman, the Bossman, and Soul Sellin' sounds right. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-13   10:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

The images are in stark contrast to pretty much any photos from Afghanistan today, and are a poignant reminder of how much that country has lost.

She also points out how these images jar with the brutal pig-ignorance that holds sway in the imperial mindset of American policymakers and their war-profiteering whores like Blackwater's Eric Prince. She first excerpts a recent quote by Prince, then gives her conclusion:

"You know," [Prince said], "people ask me that all the time: 'Aren't you concerned that you folks aren't covered under the Geneva Convention in [operating] in the likes of Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan?' And I say, 'Absolutely not,' because these people, they crawled out of the sewer and they have a 1200 AD mentality. They're barbarians. They don't know where Geneva is, let alone that there was a convention there."

As Qayoumi’s photo essay demonstrates so clearly, Afghanistan is not a devastated nation because its people "have a 1200 AD mentality." It is devastated because it has been invaded and occupied by hostile foreign powers for years. Anyone who truly cares about the welfare of the Afghan people would do well to remember this fact before proposing more of what has caused that country’s problems as their solution.

Sorta like Memphis and the Ruling Elite sharing Prince's mindset.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-13   11:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)

So you folks want to talk about Memphis?

Ya, but probably not to you.

"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-08-13   12:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#7)

Here's a link to that stuff...pretty revealing:

www.foreignpolicy.com/art..._in_afghanistan?page=full

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-13   12:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Abu el Banat (#8)

So you folks want to talk about Memphis?

Ya, but probably not to you.

8D Of course you wouldn't want to talk to me any more than you'd want to talk to any Young Turk who'd survived Stalingrad.

Too realistic. ;} Bust too many of your well maintained fantasies.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-13   12:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

And thank you very much. Very informative:

Note that 1960, Afghanistan and Pakistan had only been independent for 10 years. Britain had done it's very best to fragment these two and India.

"Afghanistan's once strong and functional defensive forces are today only a memory. After the Soviets left, Pakistan was instrumental in destroying the country's armed services. Since the 1990s civil war, the subsequent Taliban takeover, and the U.S.-led intervention, domestic security forces have proved extremely difficult to build, even as security remains a top concern."

And Afghanistan still has a strong defense. Just not the one we want to see. ;} It's held the World's Largest Most Powerful Empire to a draw.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-13   12:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mcgowanjm, ucysmom, All (#6)

So you folks want to talk about Memphis?

Not really.

I wanted to discuss why the Elites are infesting working middle class towns under the unwanted troublemaking element of SECTION 8 HOUSING instead of within there own affluent neighborhoods and towns.

But I see there's a reason you want to discuss Memphis...

A lot like New Orleans, it [Memphis] does. But a lot like Mexico, it's at the Veery Tip Top, and whitey ain't sharing with Uppity Slaves.

STOP. You just lost you cred (again). Along with that kooky racist Police Lieutenant in Memphis.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-13   14:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#5)

Some years back ABAG (Assoc. of Bay Area Governments) agreed to provide a percentage of low income housing. Tiburon argued that they had already exceed their quota because live in servants were provided rooms.

Lol, that's interesting (and ironic.) And typical of liberal-think hypocrites gaming the system.

"Low income housing" is another way the dictatorial liberal/left has illegally and purposely infected middle class towns and neighborhoods for its social re-engineering schemes instead of within their own affluent, hoity-toity exclusive gated communities.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-13   14:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

It's held the World's Largest Most Powerful Empire to a draw.

Excellent point.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-13   15:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Fred Mertz (#14)

In 4th/5th Gen warfare, the war's not over until the insurgents say it is.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   10:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#12)

So you folks want to talk about Memphis?

Not really.

Thank you. So now we can talk about Dr? Laura's racism?

Or gays? Or Tea Parties? Something important? LMFAO 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   10:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

So now we can talk about Dr? Laura's racism?

Why talk about the 1st Amendment when you can just have her arrested? (check)

Or gays?

"Gay Marriage" is impossible (check)

Or Tea Parties?

Aren't they the violent group of conservatives whose saliva was treated as though it were a hail of bullets? (check)

Something important? LMFAO

How about jacking up your dosage of Cymbalta? (check)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   10:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

It's held the World's Largest Most Powerful Empire to a draw.

Really?

Can you define the actual U.S. initiative?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   10:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Liberator (#17)

Why talk about the 1st Amendment

Hate Speech anyone? LMFAO

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   11:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#17)

So now we can talk about Dr? Laura's racism?

Why talk about the 1st Amendment when you can just have her arrested? (check)

So yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre Okie Dokie. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   11:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#17)

Or gays?

"Gay Marriage" is impossible (check)

Only for Dr(?Of religion;} Dobson and Regents U. 8D

and of course, you, Lib.

With Liberator meaning 'something done in Hell to slaves'? ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   11:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#17)

Aren't they the violent group of conservatives whose saliva was treated as though it were a hail of bullets? (check) # # Healthcare reform: America, the violent? How the political parties ... Mar 31, 2010 ... "If you mix [violent messages] with people who feel threatened by the ... you are lighting a fuse on a literally explosive group of people," ... Conservatives say the spit was merely wayward saliva in a yelling match. ... www.csmonitor.com/.../Healthcare-reform-America-the-violent-How-the-political-parties-are-complicit - Cached

So the conservatives spitting was just 'wayward saliva'/ LMFAO

Keep defending your fellow hinky buts. Something important? LMFAO

How about jacking up your dosage of Cymbalta? (check)

And You must be on an IV drip somewhere. Can't get to sleep? Doc on call for propofol?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   11:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#18)

Can you define the actual U.S. initiative?

Sure.

Goes along EXACTLY with why we invaded.

LMFAO

Keep Comin. Hell ain't 1/2 full. Tick Tock on your scrawny ass. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   11:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#23)

Clean up on Aisle 4. Attention. Clean up on Aisle 4.

Thank you. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-14   11:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mcgowanjm (#20)

So yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre Okie Dokie.

THAT'S what Dr. Laura just did?? She just caused widespread panic and mayhem?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   11:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mcgowanjm (#19)

Hate Speech anyone? LMFAO

Chyeah. let's round up all the "Hate Speechers" - they is dan-ger-ous!!

Fascist-Leftists? Not so much.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   11:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Liberator (#4)

Would you mind if your beloved Fedgov flooded your neighborhood with Section 8 housing?

Actually my neighborhood IS full of Section 8 with white and Mexican occupants, which actually started during the term of your savior Bush. But once we got rid of the daughter of a well respected businessman who was living in one, who was selling drugs from her place we now don't have to bring our car radios in at night.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   11:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mcgowanjm (#21)

"Gay Marriage" is impossible (check)

Only for Dr(?Of religion;} Dobson and Regents U. 8D

and of course, you, Lib.

HEH! "gay marriage" IS quite possible for you then? Congrats to you and the lucky fella.

With Liberator meaning 'something done in Hell to slaves'? ;}

That's B-24 "Liberator" - not your inane, cartoonish analogy.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   11:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold (#27)

Actually my neighborhood IS full of Section 8 with white and Mexican occupants, which actually started during the term of your savior Bush.

Yuk-yuk. So many jokes, so little time. Btw, niiiice neighborhood.

Once we got rid of the daughter of a well respected businessman who was living in one, who was selling drugs from her place we now don't have to bring our car radios in at night.

I suppose she was a daughter of a pasty-assed pubbie/fundie?

You libs are the funniest pods on the planet.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   11:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mcgowanjm (#22) (Edited)

So the conservatives spitting was just 'wayward saliva'/ LMFAO

Here's a NEWSFLASH, Geraldo - NO ONE actually "spit." However, don't let me stop you from bending over for the Black Caucus and Pravdan propaganda as usual.

You must be on an IV drip somewhere.

Only if I consider your posts "dripping"...(or rather drooling.)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   11:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mcgowanjm (#23)

Can you define the actual U.S. initiative?

Sure.

Goes along EXACTLY with why we invaded.

LMFAO

Laughing your ass off at NOT answering the question?

Goofball.

Hey, while you're trying to avoid that question, tell me - WHY has Commie 0bama left troops (and bolstered) presence in Afghanistan?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   12:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#29)

I suppose she was a daughter of a pasty-assed pubbie/fundie?

I wouldn't know as I don't poke into their personal lives and keep lists like you so called "conservatives" do. Her dad has a dealership, maybe I should have sent him a questionnaire.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   12:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mcgowanjm (#23)

Keep Comin. Hell ain't 1/2 full. Tick Tock on your scrawny ass. 8D

HEH! I'm cleaning your clock with my brain and both hand tied behind my back. You should be embarrassed.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   12:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mininggold (#32)

I wouldn't know as I don't poke into their personal lives and keep lists like you so called "conservatives" do.

(ahem) JOURN-O-LIST (cough, hack)

Her dad has a dealership, maybe I should have sent him a questionnaire.

You already indicted him when you referred to daddy as a "businessman." To the liberal/left (and mininggold), "businessman" is code for "pasty-assed white Pubbie/fundie racist."

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   12:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#34) (Edited)

You already indicted him when you referred to daddy as a "businessman." To the liberal/left (and mininggold), "businessman" is code for "pasty-assed white Pubbie/fundie racist."

I have a business too, so I must be a self hater according to you. I didn't know you cons talked in such elaborate code. Seems rather paranoid-like.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-14   12:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mcgowanjm (#22)

So the conservatives spitting was just 'wayward saliva'/ LMFAO

There is a reward, you'd be a $100,000 richer if you could show proof of this.

Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Murron  posted on  2010-08-14   12:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mininggold (#35)

I have a business too, so I must be a self hater according to you.

Is that the beehive-thievery business?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   12:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Murron, mcgowanjm (#36) (Edited)

So the conservatives spitting was just 'wayward saliva'/ LMFAO

There is a reward, you'd be a $100,000 richer if you could show proof of this.

Perhaps James hasn't heard? This from the guy who masquerades as Yoda, Edgar Cayce, and Dick Tracy - depending on which day it is on the Mother Ship.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-14   12:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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