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Title: The Bible,Dr. Laura,and them damn homos!
Source: email
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Published: Aug 10, 2010
Author: James M. Kauffman
Post Date: 2010-08-10 09:33:13 by sneakypete
Keywords: None
Views: 97368
Comments: 137

In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia PS (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian)

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#83. To: war, Liberator (#81)

Once again I point out, that for someone being so "anti queer' you sure seem to know eveyrthing about the 5 w's of it...

Another who doth protest too much.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-08-12   9:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: war (#82)

Hilarious given that you're one of the biggest flamers, in so many ways, on these forums.

And never misses a particular topic that gives her an opportunity to strut her stuff.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-12   10:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Mad Dog (#63)

I'd rather just talk, but I can, and will, play it any way that they call it.

I hear ya, but it's easy to let thing get outta hand.

We're ALL going nuts here, it's been raining every day for almost seven weeks, (except TWO, I checked). We can't do our summer things, strawberries are rotting on the plants, the fish are holding up because of the high muddy water, the dog food is getting soaked and melting into the dirt only being "useful" as bear bait, which is way uncool. I can't even cut boards to bring right inside the cabin. It's like all of a sudden we're in F ing Ketchikan. Anyhow we're all kinda "grumpy" right now.

That IS depressing. Your summer's short enough with the constant deluge. Heh - bad dog fool is better used as bear-bait?

In Joisey this summer's been virtually dry as a bone. An dog food that goes bad we give to the flies ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   10:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Murron (#64)

This baloney is one reason I have to take breaks now and then from the forums. The other reasons are the sheer bad news and absurdity of what happens on a daily basis with this utterly corrupt government of ours.

I couldn't agree more....If we don't back off sometimes, we find ourselves being drawn into the one, and depressed as hell by the other...lol

Yeah, right?

Blowing off steam is one thing, and to be expected occasionally. The laughs, the great perspectives and info, and camaraderie is why we check into forums. The drip-drip of bad news seems never to end. If we're locked into flame-mode, it really does become more of a drag.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Parrot with speed dial (#68)

The Judaic/Christian community can't handle the truth that said great books are redactl edit by Priest class in order to control and set agenda's...

God/Jehovah running around saying stuff,..ordering thusly,....complete BS,....never happened. A greater portion of deception occured during the exile to Babylon,...here the story telling got really imaginative, No wonder said Christianity mirrors the past con with superhero story's and miracles.

Have you ever taken Bible classes to study scripture, Parrot?

Whose claims and what sources are so valid that they invalidate the entire Scripture and all it's Prophecies?

Btw, the entire Circle of Life is a "miracle." How does an Almighty who created the heavens and earth refrain from overriding His own laws - HIS "laws" of a Nature He created?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: sneakypete (#71)

Yeah, I'm real skeerd of your ping to this dopey queer propaganda.

You must be scared of it because you have refused to even try to address the biblical quotes.

Is THAT what was expected of me? To be your Pastor and explain the Scripture of Leviticus and refute "GOTCHA" questions?

Try a Bible class if you really GAS.

I find it very interesting that you refer to biblical passages as "queer propaganda",though.

It's not? Who are you shittin'? The questions weren't only NOT seriously asked, but were carefully crafted written by a p*ssed off Gay to supposedly discredit Dr. Laura.

FWIW, the context of "slavery" in the Bible is totally different than what you and other gay propagandists convey.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: sneakypete (#72)

Are you calling The Holy Bible dumb?

Playing dumb and dumber is getting too easy for you. You've been digging your hole ever deeper.

I'm not committing genocide or murdering babies regardless of what the voices in your head from your "loving but jealous Gawd" tell you what we should do.

(see above)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Liberator (#88)

FWIW, the context of "slavery" in the Bible is totally different than what you and other gay propagandists convey.

well that's bullshit.

war  posted on  2010-08-12   11:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Abu el Banat (#80)

Holy fuck, you goddamn blowhard, do you ever like to hear yourself blab.

And, bullshit you dumb twat.

Now go take a long break you useless retard.

Weak vocabulary. Even for a mullet-wearing 45 year old graduate 6th grade.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: war (#90)

well that's bullshit.

YOU of all people aren't qualified to challenge that assertion.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: war (#81)

Once again I point out, that for someone being so "anti queer' you sure seem to know eveyrthing about the 5 w's of it...

This is where I point at you and in the famous words of Ibluafartsky:

LOLAYDA!!

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Bartcoprules (#83)

Another who doth protest too much.

Chyeah, Shakespeare. ROFL....

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   11:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: sneakypete (#75)

Did any of these LP dickwads actually explain why it's ok to pick and choose what requirements of god it's ok to ignore, and why, or are they just doing their normal act and calling everyone a homo?

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-12   11:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Skip Intro (#95)

lol, the second one.

Calling everyone a homo, describing homo sex acts and then saying they aren't homo's. The usual LP routine.

"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-08-12   11:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Liberator (#92) (Edited)

I know that Bible 100 tiems better than you can ever hope to.

That said, slavery, more accurately, servitiude, has SEVERAL contexts within the bible as both the Latin and the Greek terms for servitude evolved before, during and after the Bible was being written.

Also, as it was at out founding, there were various levels of servitude; indentured was certainly different from involuntary.

So, some "slave" references in the Bible were to indentured servitude and the passage sometimes makes that clear as in the case of a slave being bound as a reult of theft. But, certainly, Hebrews would bind prisoners of war into involuntary servitude. The Romans certainly had slaves as we understood them to be.

Thus, I stand by my statement that yours was bullshit.

war  posted on  2010-08-12   11:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator (#93)

Chuckles...you couldn't have made my case any better by quoting Yukatrd, whose obsession with mano-meat y mano-meat is well documents on two sites,

So...thanks...

war  posted on  2010-08-12   11:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: war (#97)

So, some "slave" references in the Bible were to indentured servitude and the passage sometimes makes that clear as in the case of a slave being bound as a reult of theft. But, certainly, Hebrews would bind prisoners of war into involuntary servitude. The Romans certainly had slaves as we understood them to be.

And THAT would be in violation of Biblical law.

According to one source:

God provided a realistic approach to the issues of the times. Slavery is definitely not the optimal form of relationship for individuals, but for most of the world's history it is a reality. Therefore, the Bible addresses slavery and provides certain safeguards to make sure that slave would not be mistreated and that their humanity would be respected.

* Slavery was designed so that the poor could seek protection - this is noted in Leviticus (Lev 25.35-43). It's driven by the need of the individual who is poor.

* Slaves were to be recognized as human beings first and foremost, not property or chattel. Verse 40 states "He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you".

* Slavery had a specific time of service and afterward were allowed to go free. Note that the passage above even includes the family of the slave so as not to break up the family unit.

* As an owner, you couldn't "cook the books". A big problem in those days was the charging of exorbitant interest so that slaves would stay indebted to their masters forever (remember Jacob and Laban?). Here, God specifically declares that this practice is forbidden.

Thus, I stand by my statement that yours was bullshit.

I expect nothing less from you. Thank you.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: war (#98)

mano-meat y mano-meat

LOL...How callused are your "manos"? (don't tell me - don't wanna know.)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Abu el Banat (#96)

Calling everyone a homo, describing homo sex acts and then saying they aren't homo's.

I hope you were wearing TWO condoms while typing - you seem pretty excited, Bone Dog.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Skip Intro, sneakypete (#95)

Did any of these LP dickwads actually explain why it's ok to pick and choose what requirements of god it's ok to ignore, and why, or are they just doing their normal act and calling everyone a homo?

First of all, Pastor Pete isn't going to be much help to you in this case...

And secondly, you write (and think) like a mentally-challenged 13 year old.

Just sayin'.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#99) (Edited)

And THAT would be in violation of Biblical law.

Chapter and verse please.

Thanks.

"Then Abraham took his son Ishmael and all the slaves born in his house or bought with his money..."

How was one "born" into slavery...biblically speaking, of course...?

war  posted on  2010-08-12   12:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Liberator (#86)

"..and camaraderie is why we check into forums. The drip-drip of bad news seems never to end. If we're locked into flame-mode, it really does become more of a drag."

I'm afraid there isn't much camaraderie even among long time members anymore.

Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Murron  posted on  2010-08-12   12:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: war (#103)

Chapter and verse please.

Am I now your Pastor? But I thought YOU were the Bible scholar?

Prove my assertion wrong. IF you can.

"Then Abraham took his son Ishmael and all the slaves born in his house >b>or bought with his money..." How was one "born" into slavery...biblically speaking, of course...?

Google is your friend...and source of Biblical Scholarship - not me.

Good luck.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Murron (#104)

I'm afraid there isn't much camaraderie even among long time members anymore.

Yeah, I hate to see that.

And I don't even think there's enough Midol at the forums to cure us ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   12:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Liberator (#88)

Is THAT what was expected of me? To be your Pastor and explain the Scripture of Leviticus and refute "GOTCHA" questions?

LOL! No,I never expected that. I knew you couldn't do it.

Try a Bible class if you really GAS.

In other words,you are too stupid to read plain language and understand it yourself,and need a sky pilot to splain it all to you?

It's not? Who are you shittin'? The questions weren't only NOT seriously asked, but were carefully crafted written by a p*ssed off Gay to supposedly discredit Dr. Laura.

So,God is a pissed off homo?

According to you fundies the Bible is the word of God,and those were direct quotes from the Bible.

Does God know that you hate him?

I'm gonna tell!

FWIW, the context of "slavery" in the Bible is totally different than what you and other gay propagandists convey.

Really? You mean all those slaves in Biblical times weren't really slaves,but union workers? Do tell!

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-12   12:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Skip Intro (#95)

Did any of these LP dickwads actually explain why it's ok to pick and choose what requirements of god it's ok to ignore, and why, or are they just doing their normal act and calling everyone a homo?

No,and they never will because they don't know themselves. None of them are capable of making their own decisions,and need a leader to step forward and tell them what to think and say. That's why they join churches and political parties.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-12   13:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: sneakypete (#107)

LOL! No,I never expected that. I knew you couldn't do it.

In other words,you are too stupid to read plain language and understand it yourself,and need a sky pilot to splain it all to you?

If you'd taken the time to have ANY scripture explained to you, you might understand context. But we all know that sector of your cranium is on strike.

And since you can't 'splain the recipe for chocolate cake, I guess you can't eat it.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   13:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Liberator (#105) (Edited)

Am I now your Pastor?

Nope.

Prove my assertion wrong. IF you can.

Lookit behind you, Zeke; I just did. What you "claim" is against "biblical law" is in fact nothing of the sort. In other words, Hiram, there is NO chapter or verse that supports your assertion.

Google is your friend...

I already know the answer. A child was born into slavery because he/she was born of a slave who, by law, was unwed. The baby, therefore, became the property of the master.

But feel free to continue to show me how vastly superior your knowledge of the bible is over mine. It's slow here and I need to be amused.

war  posted on  2010-08-12   13:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: sneakypete (#108)

None of them are capable of making their own decisions,and need a leader to step forward and tell them what to think and say. That's why they join churches and political parties.

You ARE funny though.

Yeah - we're not like you and Skippy. Youse guys are your OWN "leader." Sheeet - what cult is it again whose motto is, "Follow me...into the darkness or ignorance and reject God...because I don't understand Him"?

We're all individually responsible for any effort in understanding Him, His words, and His Plan, Pete. IF you sincerely want answers, you'll seek and find them; If not you won't - it's that simple. Yeah, I know it's a sh*tty world sometimes, but we all have to deal with it.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   13:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Liberator (#111)

We're all individually responsible for any effort in understanding Him, His words, and His Plan

From reading your contributions here, you need to study harder...

war  posted on  2010-08-12   13:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: war (#110)

Lookit behind you, Zeke; I just did. What you "claim" is against "biblical law" is in fact nothing of the sort. In other words, Hiram, there is NO chapter or verse that supports your assertion.

Not quite. Half-baked still isn't a fait accompli.

A chhild born into slavery was born of a slave who, by law, was unwed. The baby, therefore, became the property of the master.

If a male slave had been given a wife by his owner, then the wife and any children which had resulted from the union would remain the property of his former owner. The law's guidelines of protection (as stated above) still applied.

But feel free to continue to show me how vastly superior your knowledge of the bible is over mine. It's slow here and I need to be amused.

I'm half-busy, though my level of amusement by you supersedes yours ;-)

You may possess a by-rote "knowledge" of the Bible, but it you can't understand its connective narrative, it doesn't do you a whole lotta good. That must be frustrating - seriously.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   13:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: war (#112)

From reading your contributions here, you need to study harder...

Naah, I get it. I thoroughly understand why the Bible has been written, the context of its historical narrative, and the concept of Redemption for a sinful man who can never be "good enough" by himself to justify a Heavenly reward.

It's one thing to disbelieve Scripture is THE Plan; At least I believe you've at least attempted to comprehend it by reading it. It's quite another to disbelieve that there is a Creator.

Disbelieving the latter makes no sense to me. Believing the former requires an open mind and heart.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   13:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Liberator (#109)

If you'd taken the time to have ANY scripture explained to you, you might understand context. But we all know that sector of your cranium is on strike.

If you have to have it explained to you,you are a simpleton.

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sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-12   13:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#113) (Edited)

You may possess a by-rote "knowledge" of the Bible, but it you can't understand its connective narrative

I sure know double talk when I see it and I just have.

PS: Male slaves were given consorts not wives.

PPS: Here's how Moses disposed of his spoils of war.

war  posted on  2010-08-12   13:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: sneakypete (#107)

According to you fundies the Bible is the word of God,and those were direct quotes from the Bible.

Slight correction. It is the inerrant word of god, and every single thing in the bible is 100% true.

It's great entertainment watching the fundies telling their god he doesn't know what he's talking about.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-12   13:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: war (#116)

PPS: Here's how Moses disposed of his spoils of war.

There was reason for the treatment of the Midianites:

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The Lord spake unto Moses, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites--a semi-nomad people, descended from Abraham and Keturah, occupying a tract of country east and southeast of Moab, which lay on the eastern coast of the Dead Sea. They seem to have been the principal instigators of the infamous scheme of seduction, planned to entrap the Israelites into the double crime of idolatry and licentiousness [Numbers 25:1-3,17,18] by which, it was hoped, the Lord would withdraw from that people the benefit of His protection and favor. Moreover, the Midianites had rendered themselves particularly obnoxious by entering into a hostile league with the Amorites (Joshua 13:21). The Moabites were at this time spared in consideration of Lot (Deuteronomy 2:9) and because the measure of their iniquities was not yet full. God spoke of avenging "the children of Israel" (Numbers 31:2); Moses spoke of avenging the Lord (Numbers 31:3), as dishonor had been done to God and an injury inflicted on His people. The interests were identical. God and His people have the same cause, the same friends, and the same assailants. This, in fact, was a religious war, undertaken by the express command of God against idolaters, who had seduced the Israelites to practise their abominations.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-12   14:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: war (#116)

PS: Male slaves were given consorts not wives.

Is that what the Bible calls them?

PPS: Here's how Moses disposed of his spoils of war.

God was pretty PO'd wasn't He?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-12   14:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: no gnu taxes (#118)

Moses spoke of avenging the Lord (Numbers 31:3), as dishonor had been done to God and an injury inflicted on His people.

How come the guy who created the entire universe didn't choose everybody as "his people"? What's he got against the non-Jews?

On the other hand, considering how he's treated the Jews, I think the other peoples caught a big break.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-12   14:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Liberator (#119) (Edited)

Is that what the Bible calls them?

IIRC, it's the Greek word for "wife" that also translated to "consort" not to be confused with concubine. Bondsmen could not own property. A wife was property. A consort was not.

war  posted on  2010-08-12   14:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: no gnu taxes (#118)

Yea and?

I've read the Bible, Paddy...more times than I can count...

war  posted on  2010-08-12   14:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Skip Intro (#120) (Edited)

How come the guy who created the entire universe didn't choose everybody as "his people"?

He did. He just left us on our own to figure it out.

We haven't yet.

war  posted on  2010-08-12   14:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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