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Title: 20 Reasons Why Marriage Should be Between a Man and a Woman
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Published: Aug 9, 2010
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to protect MARRIAGE Marriage is an institution which pre-exists both church and government, and is the foundation of all known civilizations and societies. History shows us that marriage is an essential institution in preserving social stability and perpetuating life itself – which is why the state has a compelling interest in preserving and protecting it. Central to the state’s interest in marriage is the procreation and rearing of children. Marriage advances the state’s interest in ensuring the birth and rearing of children in the setting most likely to ensure their well-being and protection, and providing the next generation the training and attributes necessary to sustain a civilized society. Hence, married couples in almost every culture have been granted special privileges and have been held to important obligations, by force of law, all aimed at sustaining their relationship and promoting the environment in which children are reared. Advocates of gay marriage tend to see marriage as a ceremony between individuals, primarily to ratify their affections. Contrary to what gay activists assume, the state does not endorse marriage because people have feelings for one another. The state endorses marriage primarily because of what marriage does for children and in turn for society. Society gets no benefit from redefining marriage to include homosexual relationships — only harm. Legalizing gay marriage will transform the meaning, expectations and practices of marriage as a social institution – in essence destroying marriage as we know it – in a reckless social experiment with numerous destructive consequences. There already are disturbing social impacts where gay marriage has been legalized. The experience of European countries that have legalized gay marriage demonstrates that any dilution of the traditional definition of marriage erodes the already weakened stability of marriage, family and children. Research shows that marriage is weakest, in nations where support for gay marriage is strongest, and that there is a direct connection between gay marriage and illegitimacy. As scholar Stanley Kurtz concluded, “If gay marriage were imposed here by a socially liberal cultural elite, it would likely speed us on the way toward the classic [European] pattern of less frequent marriage, more frequent out-of-wedlock birth, and skyrocketing family dissolution. In the American context, this would be a disaster.” (The Weekly Standard 9, No. 20 (February 2, 2004): 26-33.) to sustain THE POPULATION To sustain the population we need a birth rate of 2.1 children per woman. Countries that have legalized gay marriage have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world. The Netherlands , Sweden and Canada all have birthrates around 1.6 children per woman, and are losing population. to protect FAMILIES The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and serves as the fundamental institution for transmitting to future generations the moral strengths, traditions, and values that sustain civilization. Traditional families, with an involved mother and father, provide a solid and well-established social identity to children. It increases the likelihood that children will be able to form a clear gender identity, grow up understanding the proper human relationships between a man and woman, a mother and father, and a husband and wife, with sexuality closely linked to both love and procreation. By contrast, the legalization of gay marriage will erode the social identity, gender development, and moral character of children. Gay marriage gives a confusing message, totally marginalizes marriage and family, and fails to prepare children for heterosexual marital relationships – thereby destabilizing the basic unity of society – the family. to protect MOTHERHOOD & FATHERHOOD In some countries it is already considered discriminatory to honor mothers and fathers due to the fear of embarrassing children who have single parents, lesbian mothers or homosexual fathers. Since legalizing gay marriage will create more officially sanctioned families without mothers or fathers, it is certain to fuel the current effort to eliminate all references to mothers and fathers in our society under the guise of discrimination. to protect CHILDREN Children Need a Father and a Mother. The research is overwhelming – children always do better in families with a mother and a father. The two most loving moms cannot be a dad, and the two most loving dads cannot be a mom – and children need both. A loving and civilized society always comes to the aid of fatherless and motherless families. But a loving and civilized society never intentionally creates permanently fatherless and motherless families as a matter of law and public policy. Gay marriage powerfully teaches that (1) men and women are interchangeable, (2) a child does not need a mother and a father, and (3) those who believe otherwise are bigots. Children Need Stable Home Environments. Homosexuals and lesbians are poor role models for children because of their lifestyle: Transient relationships: While a high percentage of married couples remain married for up to 20 years or longer, with many remaining wedded for life, the vast majority of homosexual relationships are short-lived and transitory. A study in the Netherlands, a country that has legalized gay marriage, found the average duration of a homosexual relationship to be 1.5 years. Serial promiscuity: Studies indicate that while three-quarters or more of married couples remain faithful to each other, homosexual couples typically engage in a shocking degree of promiscuity. The same Dutch study found that “committed” homosexual couples have an average of eight sexual partners (outside of the relationship) per year. Legalizing gay marriage severs children from their right to know and be raised by their biological parents. Children have the right, insofar as society can make it possible, to know and to be cared for by the two parents who gave them life, known as the “child’s bonding right.” Every child being raised by gay or lesbian couples will be denied his birthright to both parents who made him. Every single one. to protect PARENTAL RIGHTS TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN VALUES California law requires teachers to instruct children as young as kindergartners about marriage,(Education Code §51890.) and if the gay marriage ruling is not overturned, teachers will be required to teach young children that there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional man-woman marriage. Moreover, children will also be taught against their parents’ wishes that homosexuality is healthy and normal. In the Parker case the Parkers and the Wirthlins filed a lawsuit in Massachusetts to try to stop the indoctrination of their children about homosexuality in their school. They lost. On appeal the Court of Appeals ruled that parents cannot prohibit schools from promoting homosexuality – or opt their children out of such instruction — because “Massachusetts has recognized gay marriage under its state constitution,” and the state’s schools have the right to “educate their students regarding that recognition.” The U.S. Supreme Court just turned down their appeal. View a short video of the Parker’s story: (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713). Other parents will experience their own nightmare story everywhere that gay marriage is legalized. Gay activists are spreading the lie in California that schools will not teach children about gay marriage. Yet in Massachusetts these same activists are petitioning judges to force schools to teach children about gay marriage. According to legal records (on file with the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston, Massachusetts in the case Parker v. Hurley (514 F.3d 87 (1st Cir.2008)), some of the very organizations who are funding and driving the No on 8 campaign in California have argued vociferously in Massachusetts that gay marriage should be taught in the public schools under the guise of “diversity,” and any attempt to prohibit such instruction – or to permit parents to opt their children out of it – must be stopped! As further evidence of their intention to indoctrinate children about gay marriage, during the first week in October 2008, a first grade public school class in San Francisco was taken on a field trip to a lesbian wedding at City Hall. School officials said they wished to provide their five and six year old students a “teachable moment.” And a lesbian who teaches 8th grade sex education in Massachusetts told NPR that she teaches her children how lesbians use “a sex toy” to have intercourse. If anyone objects, she says, “Give me a break. It’s legal now.” Not only will school children be taught about gay marriage – it’s already happening. to protect MORALITY Promiscuity in marriage will become more generally accepted. Homosexual activists also claim that “monogamous” gay couples behave like monogamous heterosexual couples. The data refutes this claim. Many male homosexuals readily admit that monogamy and fidelity for them can mean something entirely different than what most accept the term to mean. Monogamy, especially for male partners (as lesbians are generally more faithful), can mean remaining “emotionally monogamous” as a couple while still having multiple sexual relations with other men, including casual encounters with complete strangers, even though still “committed” to their partner. Studies indicate that while three-quarters or more of married couples remain faithful to each other, homosexual couples typically engage in a shocking degree of promiscuity. A Dutch study found that “committed” homosexual couples have an average of eight sexual partners (outside of the relationship) per year. (AIDS 17 (2003): 1031.) Homosexual activists have a political agenda: to radically redefine the institution of marriage. Homosexual activists admit that gay marriage is the “vanguard” for dethroning the institutional authority of traditional marriage. Their goal is not simply to make the definition of marriage more “inclusive,” but to deinstitutionalize marriage, and remake it in their own hedonistic image. Paula Ettelbrick, former legal director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, states, “Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family, and … transforming the very fabric of society.” Gay marriage would radically redefine marriage to include virtually any sexual behavior. Once marriage is no longer confined to a man and a woman, and the sole criterion becomes the presence of “love” and “mutual commitment,” or “mutual sexuality”, it is impossible to exclude virtually any “relationship” between two or more partners of either sex. It is anticipated that the demands for legalization of polygamy will also grow. TOLERANCE vs. ENDORSEMENT For many years there has been unrelenting pressure from homosexuals to accept as normal what is not normal, and to characterize those who disagree as narrow-minded, bigoted and unreasonable. Such advocates are quick to demand freedom of speech and thought for themselves, but equally quick to criticize those with a different view and, if possible, to silence them by applying labels like “homophobic”. Tolerance does not require abandoning one’s standards, or one’s opinions on political or public policy choices, or insulating gay marriage from examination. Speaking on matters of public morality – including gay marriage – does not constitute abuse or the frequently misused term “hate speech.” We can express genuine love and friendship for a homosexual family member or friend without accepting the practice of homosexuality or any re-definition of marriage. Working to protect marriage is not mean-spirited. It is the legitimate response of the majority of people who want what is best for individuals, children and our society – and therefore want to preserve the proven and essential institution of marriage. The many negative consequences that would result from legalizing gay marriage clearly provide strong reasons for preserving man-woman marriage. GAY PARTNERS ALREADY HAVE SAME RIGHTS AS MARRIED SPOUSES Prop 8 is not an attack on the gay lifestyle or gay partner rights. Proposition 8 is not an attack on the gay lifestyle and doesn’t take away any rights or benefits from gay or lesbian domestic partners. Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections and benefits…as married spouses”. (California Family Code §297.5.) All laws on the books regarding domestic partnerships will remain intact. Gays and lesbians in domestic partnerships will continue to enjoy all the legal rights and benefits that married couples enjoy. GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT A “RIGHT” The US Constitution does not grant any “right” to homosexual marriage. Nor does Congress, which in 1996 overwhelmingly passed the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman. Nor do 44 states, all of which have passed legislation making it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. 27 did so by constitutional amendments like the ones pending in California, Arizona, and Florida. 17 states took the extra step of banning civil unions or domestic partnerships as well. Justice Baxter in his dissent to the case legalizing gay marriage, emphasizing that “there is no deeply rooted tradition of gay marriage, in the nation or in this state,” and there is no constitutional right to same sex marriage.” (In re Marriage Cases,43 Cal.4th 757, 861-864.) There is no unrestricted right to marry whoever you want. A parent cannot marry their child (even if he or she is of age), two or more spouses, or the husband or wife of another person. Such restrictions are based upon the accumulated wisdom not only of Western civilization but also of societies and cultures around the world for millennia. That is why gay marriage is not a “right”. TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE DOES NOT VIOLATE GAYS’ CIVIL RIGHTS Gays claim that denial of marriage is a violation of their civil rights, equivalent to racism. There is absolutely no legal, social or historical logic behind this claim. As leading black activist, Niger Innis, (National Spokesperson for the Congress of Racial Equaility) states, “As the community that endured both slavery and segregation, African-Americans will always reject the lie that radical activists have a “civil right” to redefine marriage for our entire society. That’s because [the African-American community] – perhaps more than any other – understands in very real terms the consequences of family breakdown.… When marriage declines, children and society both suffer. Violent crime, youth crime, welfare dependency and child poverty track more closely with family disintegration than with any other social variable – including race and income level.” To substantiate their racism argument, gay activists try to equate opposition to gay marriage with the old opposition to interracial marriage. But the equation is false. There is no comparison between sex and race. Men and women are inherently different, but blacks and whites are inherently the same. Therefore, any imposed separation by race can never be moral or even rational; on the other hand, separation by sex can be both morally desirable and rational. Separate bathrooms for men and women, for example, is moral and rational; separate bathrooms for blacks and whites is not. Those who wish to redefine marriage for the first time in Jewish, Christian or secular humanist history may offer any honest arguments they wish. But comparing the prohibition of gay marriage to prohibiting interracial marriage is not one of them. Gay marriage is NOT a civil right. And there is no civil “right” to redefine marriage for all of society. to protect CIVIL RIGHTS The civil rights issue actually runs in favor of the 96% of the population who are not gay. Implementing gay marriage will trample upon their civil rights. For the first time in our history, America is faced with a powerful movement that defines its alleged “rights” in terms of the deprivation of the fundamental rights of others. As a result, the gay marriage movement is depriving other Americans of civil liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, including: freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of religion. to protect RELIGIOUS FREEDOM When rights for gay couples are expanded, freedom of religion is threatened as citizens are coerced to act against conscience and belief. If gay marriage becomes the law of the land state authorities will be required to treat opposition to gay marriage as “invidious discrimination,” “irrational,” or “motivated by hate.” “Civil-rights laws banning discrimination over sexual orientation [will] take priority over religious liberty in every case.” (Quote by Marc D. Stern, general counsel of the American Jewish Congress.) Thus religious bodies retaining such “discriminatory beliefs” will be subject to a wide range of legal penalties precisely because their policies reflect those beliefs. The D.C. Court of Appeals, for example, has already ruled that “[the] compelling interest in the eradication of sexual orientation discrimination outweighs any … exercise of religion.” (536 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1987). And arrests have already been made for publicly opposing gay rights. (Startzell v.City of Philadelphia, 6 (E.D. Pa. Jan 18,2007). If courts and legislatures are not successful in forcing religious groups to accept gay marriage outright, indirect coercion through loss of tax-exempt status will prove just as effective. The chilling effect that either litigation or the threat of loss of tax status will have on religious liberty is real and immediate. Churches will also be pressured to compromise their beliefs or face loss of equal access to a wide array of government benefit programs and licensing regimes. Anti-discrimination regulations will become more important than religious beliefs. Even without legalized gay marriages, gay couples are beginning to challenge policies of religious organizations that exclude them. Even “para-church” organizations such as schools, charities, adoption agencies and businesses that refuse to serve gay couples are being sued — and so far, the religious groups are losing. Here are a few cases: Adoption services: In 2006, when the traditional man-woman definition of marriage was declared a form of “bigotry” by the Massachusetts courts, Catholic Charities preemptively stopped providing adoption services in Massachusetts because the State’s gay marriage law would have compelled them to facilitate adoptions by gay couples. The archdiocese was prepared to provide referrals for gay couples looking to adopt, but that wasn’t going to be acceptable to the state. (Catholic World News, Mar 10, 2006. See: http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=42906 ) Housing: In New York City, Yeshiva University‘s Albert Einstein College of Medicine, a school under Orthodox Jewish auspices, banned gay couples from its married dormitory. New York does not recognize gay marriage, but in 2001, the state’s highest court ruled Yeshiva violated New York City‘s ban on sexual orientation discrimination. Yeshiva now allows all couples in the dorm. Parochial schools: California Lutheran High School, a Protestant school in Wildomar, holds that homosexuality is a sin. After the school suspended two girls who were allegedly in a lesbian relationship, the girls’ parents sued, saying the school was violating the state’s civil rights act that protected gay men and lesbians from discrimination. The case is before a state judge. Medical services: A Christian gynecologist at North Coast Women’s Care Medical Group in Vista, California, refused to give his patient in vitro fertilization treatment because she was in a lesbian relationship, and he claimed that doing so would violate his religious beliefs, and referred the patient to his partner, who agreed to do the treatment. The woman sued under the state’s civil rights act, and the California Supreme Court held unanimously that the “1st Amendment’s right to the free exercise of religion does not exempt physicians from conforming their conduct to the … antidiscrimination requirements.” This was an elective procedure, no emergency involved, with another doctor willing to do the procedure. One court justice suggested that the doctor take up a different line of business. Psychological services: A mental health counselor at North Mississippi Health Services refused therapy for a woman who wanted help in improving her lesbian relationship. The counselor said doing so would violate her religious beliefs. The counselor was fired. In March 2001, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit sided with the employer, ruling that the employee’s religious beliefs could not be accommodated without causing undue hardship to the company. Civil servants: A clerk in Vermont refused to perform a civil union ceremony after the state legalized them. In 2001, in a decision that side-stepped the religious liberties issue, the Vermont Supreme Court indicated that religious beliefs do not allow employees to discriminate against gay couples. Adoption services: A gay couple in California applied to Adoption Profiles, an Internet service in Arizona that matches adoptive parents with newborns. The couple’s application was denied based on the religious beliefs of the company’s owners. The couple sued in federal district court in San Francisco. Because they refused to advertise homosexual California couples as potential adoptive parents, the largest adoption advertising company on the Internet can no longer advertise any couples from California as potential adoptive parents. Wedding services: A same sex couple in Albuquerque asked a photographer, Elaine Huguenin, to shoot their commitment ceremony. The photographer declined, saying her Christian beliefs prevented her from sanctioning gay unions. The couple sued, and the New Mexico Human Rights Commission found the photographer guilty of discrimination. It ordered her to pay the lesbian couple’s legal fees ($6,600). The photographer is appealing. Wedding facilities: In Ocean Grove, N.J., a lesbian couple brought a complaint to the New Jersey Division of Civil Rights against a Methodist church for not allowing them to use a pavilion on the church’s beach-front property for their civil-union ceremony. The church had offered the couple use of its property and boardwalk for the ceremony, but not the use of places the church considered “worship spaces.” In January, an administrative judge with the Division of Civil Rights found against the church and stripped the pavilion area of its tax-exempt status for the church’s refusal to comply with the state’s sweeping anti-discrimination law. This will reportedly cost the church some $20,000 a year. Youth groups: The city of Berkeley, Calif., requested that the Sea Scouts (affiliated with the Boy Scouts) formally agree to not discriminate against gay men in exchange for free use of berths in the city’s marina. The Sea Scouts sued, claiming this violated their beliefs and First Amendment right to the freedom to associate with other like-minded people. In 2006, the California Supreme Court ruled against the youth group. In San Diego, the Boy Scouts lost access to the city-owned aquatic center for the same reason. In Philadelphia the mayor’s office revoked the Boy Scouts’ $1-a-year lease for a city building. While these cases do not directly involve gay unions, they presage future conflicts about whether religiously oriented organizations may prohibit, for example, gay couples from teaching at summer camp. Rights of religion and conscience are being trampled upon in the name of a brave new social, cultural and legal norm that denies the importance of mothers and fathers for children. Recognizing the importance of tax-exempt status to the viability of churches, some activists implicitly or even directly threaten them with the loss of their tax-exempt status if they don’t comply with their demands for social change. Some groups go so far as to file complaints with the IRS, occasionally leading to IRS investigations. to protect FREE SPEECH Lawsuits and legislation ostensibly in favor of human rights have led to tighter restrictions on religious “expression”, and even raises the specter of speech monitors. This begins to put everyone’s free speech rights in jeopardy. Parochial schools: In England, a Catholic school has been prohibited from firing an openly gay headmaster, and parochial schools there are forbidden by law to teach that homosexuality is a sin. Ministers: Pastors in Sweden were prosecuted for speaking out publicy about gay marriage based on their reading of biblical scripture. In Canada, one of 6 countries that have legalized gay marriage, A Catholic bishop in Calgary was the target of complaints filed with the Human Rights Commission because he issued a pastoral letter that urged Catholics to oppose same-sex marriage. (“Calgary bishop defiant about gay marriage,” Canadian Press, Mar.31, 2005.) And the Alberta Human Rights Commission recently took the draconian step of issuing a ruling forbidding a Christian pastor to make “disparaging” remarks about homosexuality — or even to repeat Biblical condemnations — for the rest of his life, thus prohibiting him from teaching his church’s doctrine about marriage. (“Government to Pastor: Renounce your faith!” WorldNet Daily, June 9, 2008.) A Human Rights Commission complaint was also filed against a Catholic priest for quoting from the bible, the Catholic Catechism, and papal encyclicals. (“Priest investigated for quoting Bible,” WorldNet Daily, June 5, 2008.) Municipal employees: An employee at the City of Oakland was threatened with termination for using the terms “natural family, marriage and family values” while discussing a public issue with co-workers. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal backed up the district court saying administrative efficiency in a government office is more important than free speech, and that municipal employers can completely censor the terms “natural family,” “marriage” and “family values” as hate speech. The court concluded that municipalities have a right to literally dictate what form an employee’s speech may take, even if it is in regard to controversial public issues. The court completely failed to address the concerns of the appellants with respect to the fact that the City of Oakland‘s Gay-Straight Employees Alliance was openly allowed to attack the Bible in widespread city e-mails, to deride Christian values as antiquated, and to refer to Bible-believing Christians as hateful. When the appellants attempted to refute this blatant attack on people of faith, they were threatened with immediate termination by the City of Oakland. The Ninth Circuit did not feel that the threat of immediate termination of employment had any effect on free speech. If government recognizes gay marriage as a legal right, it is obligated to protect that right – and increasingly, that means silencing religious speech. This is underscored by two recent resolutions in San Francisco . Churches: San Francisco denounced Catholic teachings on homosexuality as “insulting to all San Franciscans”, “‘hateful”, “defamatory”, “ignorant”,’ and more. Resolution 168-08, passed unanimously by the city and county board in 2006, was a response to the Vatican‘s ban on placing adoptive children in homosexual households. It called the Vatican a “foreign country” that attempted to “negatively influence existing and established customs.” Two Catholic residents of San Francisco filed suit, calling this an unconstitutional display of government hostility toward religion. They lost in the District Court, where a judge said that the Catholic Church was responsible for having “provoked this debate” and that elected officials were “merely exercising their free speech rights.” Youth groups: One week after issuing Resolution 168-08, San Francisco passed another unanimous resolution against Teen Mania’s Battle Cry for a Generation rally. 25,000 teens had rallied against the sexualization of youth culture by advertisers and media, and the Board of Supervisors called this an ‘’act of provocation” by an “anti-gay”, “anti-choice” organization that wanted to “negatively influence” city politics. California Assemblyman Mark Leno, who is homosexual, said that “religious people may be few — but they’re loud, they’re obnoxious, they’re disgusting, and they should get out of San Francisco.” to protect MAJORITY RULE from MINORITY RULE Proposition 8 does not interfere with gays living the lifestyle they choose. Gays can live as they want – but reciprocally, they should also not unilaterally have the right to redefine marriage for the other 96% of society. Furthermore, although 4% of the US may be gay, few of them are in committed long-term relationships, and if only 2% of those few who are in committed long-term relationships marry, than we would have destroyed the entire institution of marriage for millions of people and for generations to come, for the benefit of a very small handful of people. That is why America has “majority rule” – so there is no “tyranny by the minority”. If gay marriage advocates want to change the definition and institution of marriage, they should have to put a ballot measure before the voters to do so, in order to have this vital matter be decided by the vote of the people. That’s how we do things in America . And we did that! In November 2000 over 61% of Californians voted in favor of Proposition 22 to reaffirm that only man-woman marriage would be valid or recognized in California . But what radicals can’t accomplish by legal means, they try to do by extra-legal ones. They went behind the backs of the voters and convinced four activist judges in San Francisco to redefine marriage for all of society. That violates the principal of majority rule, a rule which safeguards democracy. We cannot let that happen. to protect MAJORITY RULE from ACTIVIST JUDGES Over 61% of Californians voted to reaffirm that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California . However, because this language wasn’t put into the state Constitution when it was approved, four activist judges from San Francisco , in an unprecedented abuse of raw judicial power, arrogantly presumed to redefine the most fundamental institution of human society, and in the process trampled the democratic process and nullified the votes of millions of California voters. In a strong dissent, Justice Baxter asserted that the majority of the court “violates the separation of powers, and thereby commits profound error” by arrogating to itself the power to make a significant legislative policy judgment absent any clear constitutional directive. Justice Baxter noted: “But a bare majority of this court, not satisfied with the pace of democratic change, now abruptly forestalls that process and substitutes, by judicial fiat, its own social policy views for those expressed by the People themselves. Undeterred by the strong weight of state and federal law and authority, the majority invents a new constitutional right, immune from the ordinary process of legislative consideration. The majority finds that our Constitution suddenly demands no less than a permanent redefinition of marriage, regardless of the popular will…and in doing so, oversteps its authority.” (In re Marriage Cases,43 Cal.4th 757, 861-864.) Proposition 8 will reverse the court’s radical decision, protect the will of the people and restore the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman in the state Constitution. to protect us from MORE GOVERNMENT Government is already too much a part of our lives. Instituting gay marriage will make it considerably worse. Once a state government declares that gay marriages are a civil right, those governments will enforce a wide variety of other policies intended to ensure that there is no discrimination against gay couples. Activists are expected to demand government oversight of virtually every segment of society, particularly schools, churches, and the workplace, to make sure that gays are given the respect and equality the law will require, and that no one speak ill of their lifestyle or marriages — which will be deemed to be punishable hate speech. Government will have to create new agencies and regulations and more bureaucrats to administer this “brave new world.” to uphold FEDERAL LAW In 1996 under President Bill Clinton Congress declared, “Marriage is the foundation of a successful society” and overwhelmingly passed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). DOMA defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman for purposes of all federal laws. States should uphold that law. to protect STATES RIGHTS In July 2008 gay activists unveiled their backup plan for exporting the dismantling of marriage to the entire nation in the event that the voters of California vote to protect marriage in November. On July 15, the Massachusetts Senate approved a bill that would export gay marriage to other states. It would permit gay couples from states that do not recognize gay marriage to travel to Massachusetts for the sole purpose of obtaining a marriage license. The couples could then use their Massachusetts “marriage” as a tool for challenging their own states’ laws in court. The Catholic Bishops in Massachusetts have issued a statement against the bill saying in part that “Our legislature is attempting to impose the Massachusetts courts’ definition of marriage upon other states. Such action endangers the principle of state sovereignty that gives each state the right to govern itself and enact its own laws.” to protect AMERICA A defeat for marriage at the polls in California will embolden activists who have always planned to export their radical agenda to all 50 states – and basically install “European a-morality” (which many believe is “immorality”) throughout the country. A centerpiece of that agenda is taking away the basic rights of those who disagree with them – and those fundamental rights, of free speech, of free exercise of religion, and freedom of assembly, are what differentiate America from every other country. We need to protect American Judeo-Christian morals, and American freedoms – because no other country will. to reduce CONFLICT There is a broad consensus among legal experts that working through the countless details of defining the impact of the redefinition of marriage upon society will inevitably generate a flood of litigation for years to come. (“Legalizing gay marriage will spark lawsuits…” San Francisco Examiner, April 7, 2008.) Legalized gay marriage will create an unprecedented level of legal confusion and invite a tidal wave of lawsuits in public accommodation law, employment law, and over government funding, with the only certainty being that they will challenge the workings of religious institutions like never before. CONCLUSION This great cultural and social battle is between two very different views of the institution of marriage. One will do what is best for children, all children; the other will not. One will bless children through the social norm of a mother and a father for every child, to the greatest extent possible; the other will denigrate that norm. One will preserve religious liberty for churches and for people of all faith communities; the other will not, but will instead be a powerful weapon against religious liberty. Gay activists will do this by branding everyone who does not believe in the rightness of gay marriage as bigots and treating their acts of conscience as unlawful discrimination, to be punished and otherwise suppressed. Traditional man-woman marriage will sustain the ennobling identities and statuses of husband and wife; the new order of marriage will destroy them and teach that men and women are interchangeable. One will preserve our liberty to enter into the vital social institution of man-woman marriage; the other, while promising “freedom,” will destroy that liberty. Think of a world where Human Rights Commissions – unelected bureaucrats with unfettered authority – are judge, jury, and executioner of anything they feel is antagonistic speech toward gay marriage and its practitioners. Think of a world where the judicial system relegates long-held religious beliefs to second-class importance behind anti-bias laws and a newly discovered protected class of people. Think of a world where the public school system is required to teach values and beliefs to your children that may conflict with your own. Think of the very real threat to your parental rights, your free speech, your freedom of religion. And think of all the unintended consequences that we cannot even foresee at this time. Where will it end? We are engaged in a great cultural and social battle, testing whether “the sacred institution of marriage” can long endure, and whether America will be its home.
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
The people involved in the institution of marriage have abandoned it and ground it into the dirt as useless, so why would an external source (ie government) try and save it for them on their behalf? They don't want it. If they did they would protect it themselves. It can't be falsely propped up. Let it go.
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to sustain THE POPULATION to protect FAMILIES to protect MOTHERHOOD & FATHERHOOD to protect MORALITY ditto They don't want it.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
1 reason why this is none of the government's business: The government destroys everything it touches. Gay Marriage: Conservatives are culpable too The recent California Supreme Court ruling stating that marriage between gays is a constitutional right should be a big wake up call to conservatives. I for one don’t give a hoot what consenting adults do. If two people of the same sex want to have a contractual arrangement called "marriage", I don’t care. However, a lot of people do find the concept of gay marriage to be immoral. Now, they are going to be forced to recognize its legitimacy in their daily lives. Here is the magic question that conservatives never ask: why does one need a government license to get married? Just try asking this question and you’ll find that most people will recoil on horror over the mere suggestion that government has no business being involved in marriage. However, for most of western history marriage was a private contract between two families. Government marriage licenses didn't start becoming the norm in America until the Progressive Era. In the late 19th century, state governments started nullifying common law marriages. By the 1920s, 38 states required government licenses to legally recognize a marriage. These marriage licenses were originally created to prevent whites from marrying people of other races. During the 1960s, government used their power over marriage to create "no fault divorce laws" that enabled the dissolution of a marriage without any proof of adultery, abandonment, felony or other legally culpable act. This greatly increased divorce and illegitimacy, swelled welfare rolls, and led to the general moral breakdown and chronic crime in our cities. Government control over marriage started as a way to prevent people from exercising their right to marry whomever they want. Now, government control is being used to force everyone to accept marriages that many find objectionable. As is the case with everything government touches, their control over marriage has corrupted and destroyed it. Today, half of all people between 25 and 29 are not married. 40% of babies are born out of wedlock. Unfortunately, most "conservatives" don't understand this. Many are just as eager as the left to use government power to force their mandates on society. That's exactly the problem. Marriage should be a private affair between the people who want to marry, their families, and their church. The government should keep their sticky fingers out of it.
Post #4 More things to make your blood boil.
(More things to make your blood boil.) Your essay and position causes me to snicker at your naivety and ignorance (with all due respect.) You haven't any clue that you've been brainwashed by the social re-engineers of the Commie-Left. Their agenda transcends the piddly gay agenda; The bigger picture to destabilize and destroy the pillars capitalism and Judeo-Christian civilization. Re-examine your analysis of "conservatism."
No, actually you've been brainwashed by the social engineers on the totalitarian left who now pose as conservatives. I, on the other hand, align myself with Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, George Mason, and other founders who opposed granting too much power to a central government. They were right.
I don't expect Lefties with room temperature IQs to understand the dynamics and effects of the Communist Manifesto's undermining of America, the sexual "revolution," and Roe vs. Wade. The goal of the Commie-Left has been exactly to convince light-weight pods like you of your opinion that marriage is "useless." I'm sure your ex would agree given her monumental mistake. Though the timeless institution of "marriage" has been attacked from within for the last 50 years or so, it remains an institution and social compact between men and women - despite the social re-engineering and indoctrination.
You regard yourself as an "elite" thinker, yet you fail to admit the obvious: YOU sided with Government against the People in the case of California's Proposition 8.
ONce again...
I sided with no one in that case because it's none of the government's business. I side with people who want to be left alone otherwise.
Blabbermouth. The institution of marriage has been overwhelmingly rejected and spat upon by hetro-sexuals. They don't like it. They treat the institution like shit.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
ONce again... This is you "ONce again" interpreting what you want to imagine. (do you see the difference between my nuance and your sledgehammer?)
I side with people who want to be left alone otherwise. You did so side with someone - the Judge (representing Government) and gays; Somehow you've imagined yourself champion for the People of California?? NEWSFLASH: The People of California have spoken the only way they know how - through an I&R and NOT via ideologically corrupt politicians. The vote of millions was tallied and demonstrated that they wanted their current status quo of marriage between a man and a woman to remain "UNCHANGED."
Show me where I did that.
I'm not surprised you've stumbling in trying to comprehend an entire paragraph or two. Was it an overwhelming ordeal for your poor overexerted pair of brain cells? The institution of marriage has been overwhelmingly rejected and spat upon by hetro-sexuals. They don't like it. They treat the institution like shit. LOL - you're such a cartoon character. Because people get divorced doesn't mean they've rejected the institution of marriage. They've rejected their partners and rejected commitments. Must I teach you everything?
Review several of your posts and gist, and essay. If you still don't see it, what can I tell ya about your own communication skills? You mean well...
What?
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
All of my posts make it clear that I want the government completely out of marriage. Your problem is that you can't comprehend this. So instead, you resort to fighting about who gets to control the government process and make the decisions. It's a dead end game. The people who love government always win. I want everyone to be able to make their own decisions. That's what Thomas Jefferson wanted too.
Yea...I snicker manfully after wielding mine while you giggle behind your hand as you deliver your nuance, Nancy... [snicker]
Even 4 year olds and the mentally handicapped like, dwarf, Abdul and skippy?
Society needs to regulate homosexuality for the same reason it regulates smoking.
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It is harmful to health and disgusting.
And no one has a clue. Pleased to meet you. Hope you guessed my name. 8D
Heterosexual transmission of STD's is FAR HIGHER...
Because otherwise you are too tempted to indulge? Why any straight man is afraid of gay guys is beyond me. If you don't like smoking cock, they aren't going to turn yea.
He's had a lot of priests after him.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
I find it remarkable that people will claim on one hand that they "don't care" as long as they keep the sex part out of their face and then turn around and in the same breath condmen the sex part as deviant.
LOL...bullshit.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Adults.
You're out of your mind if you ***think*** otherwise...but in your case it's not necessary...
Prop 8 is not an attack on the gay lifestyle or gay partner rights. Proposition 8 is not an attack on the gay lifestyle and doesn’t take away any rights or benefits from gay or lesbian domestic partners. Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections and benefits…as married spouses”. (California Family Code §297.5.) All laws on the books regarding domestic partnerships will remain intact. Gays and lesbians in domestic partnerships will continue to enjoy all the legal rights and benefits that married couples enjoy. GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT A “RIGHT” The US Constitution does not grant any “right” to homosexual marriage. Nor does Congress, which in 1996 overwhelmingly passed the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman. Nor do 44 states, all of which have passed legislation making it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. 27 did so by constitutional amendments like the ones pending in California, Arizona, and Florida. 17 states took the extra step of banning civil unions or domestic partnerships as well. Justice Baxter in his dissent to the case legalizing gay marriage, emphasizing that “there is no deeply rooted tradition of gay marriage, in the nation or in this state,” and there is no constitutional right to same sex marriage.” (In re Marriage Cases,43 Cal.4th 757, 861-864.) There is no unrestricted right to marry whoever you want. A parent cannot marry their child (even if he or she is of age), two or more spouses, or the husband or wife of another person. Such restrictions are based upon the accumulated wisdom not only of Western civilization but also of societies and cultures around the world for millennia. That is why gay marriage is not a “right”. Pete... You haven't weighed in on the 'Defense of Marriage Act' which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman. OR the rest of this.
Feel free to point out the enumeration of power within the USCON empowering Congress to legislate marriage.
I don't give a rats ass either what two consenting adults do; That's not the point though, is it? You have not only ignored the 'Marriage Act' legislation, but any contractual arrangement of "Gay" marriage would required government intrusion and authority and official sanctioning. The same government you supposedly want out of our lives. You can't have it both ways.
Feel free to point out the 'enumeration of power' within the opinion of ONE Gay judge to overturn 7 million votes in California. Thank you, Counselor.
I don't find you rationale "remarkable" at all; I expect it. Excuse the rest of us for opining on just what we find "deviant," Mr. Satyr.
It can't be falsely propped up. Let it go. In just 10 minutes you've managed to both read this entire post and comment on it... And the ONLY position you immediately took was the pro-Gay marriage position over traditional, normal marriage? You've got more problems than any us can imagine. Good luck with that, Bone-Dog.
I want everyone to be able to make their own decisions. That's what Thomas Jefferson wanted too. Here's a few NEWSFLASHES: 1) Who GAS about Thomas Jefferson?? He wasn't queer, he was a slave owner, and he's been DEAD for 200 years. 2) This is a democratic Republic; Without some governance and enforced social constraints we have anarchy. 3) Queers already can "decide" to "marry" their partners without the rest of us recognizing IT as a "marriage" in the tradition sense.
Show me where I took the pro-Gay marriage position, you useless tit.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
That settles it,I guess. We all know that the political whores in congress would never do anything wrong,right? BTW,the US Constitution also doesn't grant ANY right. It only recognizes rights and protects them. There is also nothing in the US Constitution that specifically recognizes heterosexual marriages,either. BTW,why does marriage need to be protected? Would your marriage fall apart or be worth less if homosexuals were allowed to marry? How does it effect you in any legal sense? Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections and benefits…as married spouses”. (California Family Code §297.5.) That is under California law,and that is not the law in all states.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You can't have it both ways. You have it backwards. We used to say there are two types of officers in the army. Those who take the approach that if something isn't specifically forbidden it is permissable,and those who take the approach that if something isn't specifically named as being permissible,it must be forbidden. You are the second type. Government has no place involving itself in marriages other than to record them,and it damn sure has no authority to tell people who they can and who they can not mate with.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Do you believe the GAY AGENDA is actually beneficial to society? In case you hadn't noticed, it's run by militants, just like the "Black Agenda" is run by it's militants, the Latino/Mexican, the Commie/Marxists, and so forth. And they are ALL on the same side - THE LEFT. This is about POWER. And subverting the traditions and heritage and system of civilized society. But somehow you believe it's all about "rights" - that's bullsh*t. You bought into the charade when you should know better.
If gays want to experience the wonder and joy of divorce, who am I to deny them? Just don't call it 'marriage'. It isn't. Marriage is between a male and female. I hae no problem with civil unions. None.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Ahhhh,now you are reduced to taking the Tan Klan line about "dead old white guys". Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be soooo proud to hear this! 2) This is a democratic Republic; Sez who? We are a Constitutional Representative Republic. We do NOT have mob rule. Without some governance and enforced social constraints we have anarchy. Anarchy is what you keep promoting with all your talk of us being a democracy. 3) Queers already can "decide" to "marry" their partners without the rest of us recognizing IT as a "marriage" in the tradition sense. Who ever made the claim that you or any other fundie individual would be required to recognize homosexual marriages in ANY sense,traditional or otherwise? It's not like they can force the religious leaders of any religious cult to perform a wedding ceremony for them because they can't. The government has no more power to tell any religion what constitutes a legal marriage than any religious cult to tell the government what constitutes a legal marriage.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You are the second type. And then the third type - COMMON SENSE-LOGIC - regardless of what's deemed "permissible." Government has no place involving itself in marriages other than to record them,and it damn sure has no authority to tell people who they can and who they can not mate with. So you're in favor of polygamy, NO age limitation, and therefore "marriage" between a 6 year old boy and a man? Do you want the Government to record those marriages?
You certainly don't. Benito Giuliani is much more to your liking.
People seem always to cite Jefferson as the epitome of virtue. I guess he's not, eh? We are a Constitutional Representative Republic. We do NOT have mob rule. Tell that to Congress who passed the 'Marriage Act.' Anarchy is what you keep promoting with all your talk of us being a democracy. Where did I state that the US is a "Democracy"? And "anarchy" is what you and single queer judges overruling the votes of 7 million people are promoting. Cut the crap. Who ever made the claim that you or any other fundie individual would be required to recognize homosexual marriages in ANY sense,traditional or otherwise? It's not like they can force the religious leaders of any religious cult to perform a wedding ceremony for them because they can't. You've just entered the Loon-Zone. Congratulations. Apparently you're far more naive than I've ever imagined. Or ignorant. You're not very familiar with Canadian law or British laws, are you? That's where we'll be heading. Your hatred for Christians (and especially "Fundies") has warped you of common sense and propriety.
Why?
BTW,care to explain to me why I can't have a Canadian as a slave?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Just don't call it 'marriage'. It isn't. Marriage is between a male and female. I hae no problem with civil unions. None. NOT good enuf. Queer want the rest of us to "Marry" them, and believe they are "Married." I LMAO about this 10 years ago, and anyone who believed this country might even consider such a thing; Now it turns out the idiot pods are bending over out of guilt and non-stop propaganda and Stockholm Syndrome. It's the same Syndrome that'll have these same dopes accepting marriage between man and man and man, Reconquista, Amnesty, Reparations, and Muslim Dhimmitude.
marriage/civil union=toma toe/toe matto.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
As it turns out, somehow the BIG PROBLEM with America to you is "Fundies." LMAO Too bad the Founders weren't gay secular humanist atheists, eh? America would have been a Shangri-La. (cough...hack)
The Constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper",huh? So you're in favor of polygamy, NO age limitation, and therefore "marriage" between a 6 year old boy and a man? This type of thinking is why you need a cult leader to do your thinking for you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Bullsh*t. You and Gays demand "MARRIAGE."
Proven a while back - where have you been? This type of thinking is why you need a cult leader to do your thinking for you. Projecting? YOU are the one who demands government stay the hell out of defining who can marry whom. Right?
Tell that to Congress who passed the 'Marriage Act.' Ahhhh,the old "Might is right!" line. I guess you think gun bans and confiscations in some states and cities are just peachy-keen too,huh? What about if Congress were to pass a bill banning your cult from having tax-free status? Would that be ok,too? And "anarchy" is what you and single queer judges overruling the votes of 7 million people are promoting. Cut the crap. You are just tossing words and terms out there,and have no idea what they really mean,do you? Your hatred for Christians (and especially "Fundies") has warped you of common sense and propriety. I hate all fascist political movements,Christianity included.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
LMAO Yeah,it is. The Fundies of one cult flew some airplanes into buildings in a effort to destroy our country,and the fundies from your cult are determined to destroy the US Constitution using other methods.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You are nuts.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes,and you are so logic challenged that you interpret the government NOT doing something as the government taking active measures. I will try to dumb it down a little further for you. YOU want the government to use it's power to take active steps to further your agenda of limiting rights to a specific group of citizens. You are no different than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in this respect. They want the government to restrict the rights of whites to favor blacks,and you want the government to restrict the rights of homosexuals in order to favor the beliefs of fundie Christians.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Your entire bizarro-world opinion can be distilled by your above warped obsession.
Aren't 6 year old boys considered "citizens"? Do you support the government (and its "power") to restrict Gay "Marriage" to a certain age?
You are nuts. I'm nuts for stating the truth about your position? Official recognition of Gay "Marriage" has been the reason for your ENTIRE rant. NOT for "Civil Unions." Or "Partnerships."
You've already dumbed this exchange down below sea level. I GET IT (unfortunately.)
In Sneakypete's mind, "fundies" = Muslims and Christians. Equally destructive, yet destructive all the same. A more paranoid, lying, and dopey opinion I've never seen.
Six year olds are not able to enter into a contract.
Who or what determines adulthood and mental capability?
Yep.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I hae no problem with civil unions. None. marriage/civil union=toma toe/toe matto. Overwhelming majority of Americans disagree. The simple fact is gays could have had civil unions in the last century. Personally, I refuse to change my definition of a term based on the screeching of 5% of the total population nationally.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Taking petey seriously is a mistake...(laughing)
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
lol, Means nothing coming from you, asswipe. No one takes you seriously. Thanks for making the site better by not being here, btw.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
Yes. Are they adults? Can they give legal consent? Sign contracts? Enlist in the military? Do you support the government (and its "power") to restrict Gay "Marriage" to a certain age? Of course. Only adults or minors of a certain age that is established by state laws can be married,and the minors need the singed permission of their parents.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,you are nuts because you don't even understand your OWN position. Official recognition of Gay "Marriage" has been the reason for your ENTIRE rant. NOT for "Civil Unions." Or "Partnerships." A civil marriage IS a marriage. Or are you so delusional you think marriages have to take place in a church with a sky pilot officiating to be legal?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Both are set on destroying our freedoms to install a theocracy. You are just too brainwashed to see it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
BullBush! They can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Believe what you will, my Marxist Metrosexual Obamabot buddy...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Sticks and stones may break my bones but you are truly clueless.
Stinky: "BullBush! They can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them." Civil Unions AIN'T the same thing as "holy matrimony"...never have been, never will be. Git over it, y'all!! Regards...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Wahhh...
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Yep, Pete, that proves it...yer mind's gone bad...ain't no hope fer you, buddy. Good luck, ol' man...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Heh heh heh...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Bwahahahaha...indeed, incessant Liberace and Show Tunes 4 ALL!! And we'll salute the ol' rouge, beige, and teal**...LOL!! BTW...**that's the new Progressive colors Pete and his Metrosexual Obamabot buddies wanna change the Stars and Stripes to...heh heh heh.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, This is the only true thing you've said in weeks. And it will always be true.
There is nothing in the 14th that includes age.
"to protect CHILDREN" Children Need a Father and a Mother. The research is overwhelming – children always do better in families with a mother and a father. The two most loving moms cannot be a dad, and the two most loving dads cannot be a mom – and children need both. A loving and civilized society always comes to the aid of fatherless and motherless families. But a loving and civilized society never intentionally creates permanently fatherless and motherless families as a matter of law and public policy. Gay marriage powerfully teaches that (1) men and women are interchangeable, (2) a child does not need a mother and a father, and (3) those who believe otherwise are bigots. Children Need Stable Home Environments. Homosexuals and lesbians are poor role models for children because of their lifestyle: Transient relationships: While a high percentage of married couples remain married for up to 20 years or longer, with many remaining wedded for life, the vast majority of homosexual relationships are short-lived and transitory. A study in the Netherlands, a country that has legalized gay marriage, found the average duration of a homosexual relationship to be 1.5 years. Serial promiscuity: Studies indicate that while three-quarters or more of married couples remain faithful to each other, homosexual couples typically engage in a shocking degree of promiscuity. The same Dutch study found that “committed” homosexual couples have an average of eight sexual partners (outside of the relationship) per year. To the radically-GAY Lobby, it ain't about the next generation, it's ALL ABOUT THEM and their quest to legitimize their chosen lifestyle in their own minds, imho...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, No,but they ARE marriage. They ain't "holy matrimony" because the couple weren't married by a child molester or homo in a collar holding a work of fiction.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
This is the only true thing you've said in weeks. And it will always be true. I have spoken nothing BUT truth,and the FACT that you can do that and they can't proves their rights are being denied.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Go back to your queer bathouse. Or better yet. You can submit an application to serve the world leaders at Bohemina Grove.
Please point out to us all where the 14th Amendment says ANYTHING about marriage. Or even religious superstition.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Stone is one of the special people. Every law and amendment with which he disagrees is either unconstitutional or wasn't passed correctly.
The 14th is what they are using to say equal protetction. You don't even know your own cause. Besides the first amendment gives us the right to kill faggots. You can't prove it doesn't.
Faggots can't be holy. So again your right.
How ridiculous seeing a fucking retard like you telling Pete his mind's gone bad. You fucking TLBSHOW-level retard.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
Spit it out. Are you for faggots perverting the Godly institution of marriage. Oh and mud has better morals then intheclosetpetey.
I'm not queer. YOU seem to be the one that is obsessed with queers,so maybe YOU should go to one?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
OH,the irony! ROFLMAO! Besides the first amendment gives us the right to kill faggots. Uh,huh. Did your loving Gawd whisper that into your ear.? You can't prove it doesn't. Noting can be proved to a fool that believes in superstition.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Have you tried explaining that to the Vatican? Or the RNC,Trent Lott,Lady Linsey,Boy Jorge,Ted Haggart,etc,etc,etc? "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It's not a Godly institution and if it was faggots sure couldn't harm it. And I don't think you understand Christianity at all. Not even a bit.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
If marriage is so Godly,why didn't Jesus marry? As far as that goes,why did he hang around exclusively with a bunch of hairy-legged men,rant and rave about men visiting prostitutes,and then turn around and say "Love your fellow man!"? Hell,he hated the idea of sex with women so much he pretended his mother was a virgin!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Means nothing coming from you, asswipe. No one takes you seriously. Thanks for making the site better by not being here, btw. Poor ABBA, all dressed up and nobody too blow...
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
The simple fact is gays could have had civil unions in the last century. BullBush! They can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them. What part of "could have" confuses you here?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
The part where you seem to imply they "could have" flapped their arms and flown to the moon.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What Sneakingaroundthecloset is talking about is that judges back then never would have allowed it. They had more respect for the constitution. But today we have some queer judge getting off on butt fucking normal Americans with his illegal order.
As far as that goes,why did he hang around exclusively with a bunch of hairy-legged men,rant and rave about men visiting prostitutes,and then turn around and say "Love your fellow man!"? Hell,he hated the idea of sex with women so much he pretended his mother was a virgin! How have I overestimated your level of honor, intellect and sanity for so long? Sorry - my bad.
Bwahahahaha...indeed, incessant Liberace and Show Tunes 4 ALL!! And we'll salute the ol' rouge, beige, and teal**...LOL!! BTW...**that's the new Progressive colors Pete and his Metrosexual Obamabot buddies wanna change the Stars and Stripes to...heh heh heh. He and war on the same team - who'da thunk?
Thanks for making the site better by not being here, btw. Says WHO?? Abba Dabba Bone Dog and his champion goofball AKC stock?
Hey - If that's what you and the Lesbian and Gay Alliance have decided.
Really Pete? Just what is the Christian version of "Sharia Law"? Why haven't any of us heard about it? It must be the greatest secret in the world.
Many of us did the same thing L. Oh well. Live and learn.
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
That's because there is no such thing as "gay marriage."
Lol...I'd rather believe the Schlitz and pills have something to do with it ;-)
Faggots can't be holy. So again your right. You're crackin' me up, Stone.
LOL! Well there certainly is THAT possibility L. He sure acts like an insane slobbering drunken pill head. But, ... without actual evidence ... Because I'm such a "sensitive" "loving", and "warm n fuzzy" kind of guy, I just can't take that particular leap. Yet. I feel his pain, don't cha know? ;^)
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
In other words you can't refute a single thing I posted,so you resort to a personal attack.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Both [Muslims and Christians] are set on destroying our freedoms to install a theocracy. You are just too brainwashed to see it. Really Pete? Yes,really. Just what is the Christian version of "Sharia Law"? "The Word of Gawd",as interpreted and preached by various bible thumpers every Sunday. Why haven't any of us heard about it? ? Because you look and don't see,and you listen but don't hear. You have been brainwashed into this superstition ever since you were a child and are afraid of going to hell if you question any of it. Even to yourself. Fear is a powerful motivator.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's because there is no such thing as "gay marriage." Look up the term "circular logic". Then get somebody to explain it to you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Rationality is no longer an intellectual requirement once you've sold yer soul to the All-Powerful Federal WHORE'D!! To read the nonsense these RATbot MORONS post explains why America is in the dire straits we're in... And we're stuck footing the bill...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, How does one refute insanity and etched-in-stone idiocy?
Yes,really. Yeah, how'd I miss all this when it went down? Good thing I use my "Christian Card" when the Christian mobs run after me. I guess it's time for me to be a Christian Ayatollah. Hmmm....Shouldn't I have ordered all my Christian jihadists to twist your arm into being a Christian by now? (According to the gospel of sneakypete:) "The Word of Gawd",as interpreted and preached by various bible thumpers every Sunday. Uhh-ooooohh..... Thank for the specifics, Jethro. You have been brainwashed into this superstition ever since you were a child and are afraid of going to hell if you question any of it. Even to yourself. Anyone who looks at creation's design and believes it's all happened spontaneously and coincidentally - without a "Gawd" designing it - is beyond intellectual redemption.
I usually just go right at it and point out how and why it is insane. YOU,and the other thumpers,on the other hand,just quote is as the "Word of Gawd" and say the government should force us to live according to it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Really? Who designed and created Gawd?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
U still sexually-abusing those young'uns of yers, Penis-Breath?!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Yeah, sorry about yer bad experiences in Catholic school, Pete... Yet another thing you and yer RAT-Messiah have in common...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I didn't go to Catholic school,but you don't have to be a weatherman to know when it's raining.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Come on Pete - that's just 100% bullsh*t. Have you been possessed?
Would I get a cookie if I told you the answer?
Pete attended Catholic School?? Lol... I understand he had a couple of militant "fundies" back in his yoot. Talk about "collateral damage."
Would I get a cookie if I told you the answer? Maybe. Depends on how hard I laugh at the answer.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
"Poppy Gawd"? :-)
When you find out let me know...that will be MudButt's last day on the web...
I'll be yer weatherman, Pete, I'll steer ya clear of those Leftist clouds that have infiltrated that once-vibrant mind of yers...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I'm tellin' ya, his mind has gone bad...either that, or war's dolin' out his world-famous boysenberry-flavored blowjobs YET AGAIN...Hmmmmm...MUD BTW...hey AtheistPete, R U saying you think there is no creator, no higher being...THIS is all a silly accident? "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, A poll would be appropriate.
There really is no reason to see your posts.
Justa coupla questions, war...when yer braggin' on yer "world-famous boysenberry-flavored blowjobs", do you use jelly or jam? And is it just better 4 U or does the man U R servicing derive greater pleasure from the boysenberry jelly/jam U bedevil in yer efforts to give yer fellow Metrosexuals the ride of their lives? Just wondering...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Toodle-LOO, tootsie...ROFLMAO!!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Yes, by war's boysenberry hummers, I believe...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "Poppy Gawd"? :-) LOL! Good to see you are regaining your sense of humor.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Nope,I am just spelling it the way that fundie preachers pronounce it. Although they normally drag it out and say "Gawwwd!".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
NOW is the time... We can't go on... [Chorus] Sing from yer heart!!! [Chorus] Folks, Left flouts its Power!! [Chorus] Mudboy Slim (26 March 2010) "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Nope. I am telling you that NOBODY knows,but that evolution is the most likely explanation. Or are you one of the brainwashed that think man co-existed with dinosaurs,Jesus was born from a virgin,everlasting life,etc,etc,etc? THAT is insanity. Not that I really care what you or anyone else believes. It's your business,not mine. If you are happy with it,I am happy for you. Just don't try to use the power of government to enforce your beliefs on me.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
How many Fundie preachers do you know, Pete...ain't none of them impact my life in a negative fashion... You got 'em houndin' at you all the time?! If so, change the friggin' radio/TeeVee station, dude...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, How many Fundie preachers do you know, Pete Every single one I have ever met or heard speak. ...ain't none of them impact my life in a negative fashion.. No surprise there. You buy into their message.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Perhaps not definitively, but still, do U actually believe all of THIS is a "Happy Coincidence"? All of nature's bounty, the inner workings of the human mind...just "evolution"? And even if there is some validity to the evolution argument (which, btw, is FAAAR from settled science), who's to say that God's hand didn't play a part in that evolution? Or Allah's hand...or Yahwah's hand? See, Pete, I share some of yer disgust with the atrocities that have been committed over the Centuries by those who claimed their legitimacy due to the purity of one belief or another...yes, THAT SUCKS and should be rightfully condemned and we should always remain wary not to allow such arrogance to abound in the future. That said, how can you not at least be a Deist? We may not sure what form He takes or which words He actually carved upon a stone tablet (or four), but it's purty hard fer me to imagine a world wherein I do not believe there is some higher order out there...it ain't all random, Pete. Just ain't...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, What message do you ASSume I buy into, Pete?
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Yes,but you are and everybody else are free to believe anything you want. Just don't try to make it the law of the land.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What message do you ASSume I buy into, Pete? The whole "Holy Bible" message. If you don't,feel free to say so.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What are you worried about pete, there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you, in fact, it's going to be just the opposite. The government will eventually enforce their laws to crush those who do believe...so your safe, no worries...
Oh,Bullshit! There are still laws on the books in some states making it illegal to drink alcohol,the whole damn so-called War on Drugs is based on the wishes of Bible thumpers,and there are still laws on the books in some states that make sex between unmarried adults a crime,laws against gambling,etc,etc,etc. And yet the thumpers still want to whine about morality.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if Murron lives in a dry county. My county is dry on Sunday - guess why.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
Our county was finally voted WET. In the past I didn't want our area to be wet, mainly because of all the misery I saw growing up around bars and liquor stores in cincy, but if you can't get drinks here, you have to drive across the border into tennessee, and many have been hurt or died (drunk driving/runny from the law) doing this. So I'm ok with it, besides, I like a glass of wine with my dinner when we go out, and so far there are no bars or liquor stores. I buy what I want in Richmond, and bring it home, and now it's legal.
One of my buddies is working in Richmond during the week. I think they work him 50+ hours a week and he comes home weekends to tend to his garden, etc. He's laying pipe on some sort of industrial water project.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
I know what kind of piping you're talking about too, just saw some here, my husband has laid that piping too, it can be rough work for anyone who can't handle it...
What about whats behind door #3 :) I could go on and on with the technical side and numerous information links. Something is wrong here. Someone has been cooking the genetic books.[end] Mostly it is fear I think which keeps people from considering the alternative history.
Dude...the Lord so wouldn't dig it...even IF his son was a party animal...
Now yer gittin' Muslims and their Sharia Law mixed up with Christians, who are proposing nothing of the sort. Pete, it's you radical Progressives who all hot to trot to make their private perversions the law of the land, not law-abiding Christians...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I'm tellin' ya, his mind has gone bad...either that, or war's dolin' out his world-famous boysenberry-flavored blowjobs YET AGAIN...Hmmmmm... Dontcha know? "Gawd" is how some think they're ridiculing and disrespecting God. As though God gives a rip. Heh - "boysenberry," eh? Of all issues for Pete to stick his neck out on (or...ahem...something else) - "gay frickin' marriage"?? (double eyeball-roll)
Or are you one of the brainwashed that think man co-existed with dinosaurs,Jesus was born from a virgin,everlasting life,etc,etc,etc? THAT is insanity. How did your mind accept 'evolution' out of thin air? Talk about "insanity." Btw, how is it "insanity" to believe that the Creator and Almighty could actually transcend physical, time, and space laws of this dimension? If you've ever dreamt, you know "reality" leaves this waking physical dimension. Think about it.
You got 'em houndin' at you all the time?! If so, change the friggin' radio/TeeVee station, dude.. LOL... The guy's been in the jungles of Nam fighting tooth and nail, life and limb....but to hear Pete, "fundie" preachers may as well be pointing AKs point blank at him. I don't get it. I've had a pair of Jehovah's witnesses knock at my door in the last ten years (I WAS skeerd SHITLESS!!)
Well stated, Mur. YOU get it. The lying agenda of "tolerance and diversity" - where "Gawd's fundies" are treated like enemies of "freedom" - is the centerpiece of fedgov fascism that finally takes America down.
That's pure BullBush! That's ALL Christians have proposed since Day One. Are you going to totally ignore history for the rest of your life,or step up to the plate and admit that organized religion has worked hand-in-hand with every tyrant in history,all with the goal of making themselves more powerful and wealthy? Hell,to get away from religious persecution is one of the prime reasons the first western settlers came to this country to start with,and their shared history is why we have Freedom of (and FROM) religion as one of the absolute rights RECOGNIZED in the Bill of Rights. Even something as mild as saying you didn't believe in God would get you thrown into prison and all your property seized in the countries they came from. And even that was moderate to the conditions that had existed before,where you could be burned at the stake by the priests back before the Reformation. So,yeah,given the history of Christianity,I would say there is zero difference between Christian Law and Sharia Law. Both create police states with no individual rights.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That is NOT from any lack of trying, tho...
Of course the irony is that some of them wanted to practice a more restrictive religion.
Say WHAT? There is physical evidence of evolution,and nothing but superstitious beliefs for creationism. Talk about "out of thin air"! Hey,why not tell us all about how Noah got two animals of every type about the Ark,AND provide us proof that this really happened?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ray Charles had 20/20 vision compared to you. You are purposely blind due to the brainwashing you received as a child. As the Jesuits say,"Give us a child by age 7,and he is ours for life."
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That is NOT from any lack of trying, tho... And no shortage of proof that enforced religion has been the norm all through history,and that it began to unravel for the first time in this country thanks to the US Constitution.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Religion fought back tho and fought back in a hurry...
Of course the irony is that some of them wanted to practice a more restrictive religion. Very true,but at least here they had the right to choose to do so. Just like others had the right to choose to not be religious at all. We are either all free,or none of us are free.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And they are still fighting back. The powers behind the various cults are just doing it quietly using their cult members as individual protesters because none of them are willing to risk their tax-free status or their government contracts to get paid to do what they are supposed to do anyhow.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You're continued tirades on religion is actually pointless to anyone who has faith in God pete. The difference is that all Religion is man made, but Faith is a personal relationship between them and God. Why don't you just be honest and tell those here who do have FAITH in God why you feel such animocity towards them? There is not one person here who wishes to push their beliefs on to you, they couldn't even if they wanted to, all you have to do is use the bozo, or stay off threads like this. I would really like to know how far you yourself would go to silence these people who believe in God....how far would you go in aiding this government to crush these bible thumpers you hate so much? Just curious, but you can stop with blaming 'Religions' for your hate filled posts here, your hate goes deeper than that....
That said, Pete...I dig yer vibe vis a vis que sera sera, but I think yer 2 antagonistic in yer willingness to throw out the baby (Christianity) with the bathwater (counter-productive elements of the OrganizedReligionIndustry). thankGODitsfriday...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That's pure BullBush! That's ALL Christians have proposed since Day One. Are you going to totally ignore history for the rest of your life,or step up to the plate and admit that organized religion has worked hand-in-hand with every tyrant in history,all with the goal of making themselves more powerful and wealthy? Ummm, A) we're talking about American history there Ayotollah - not world history. B) Equating Islam with Christianity (and no, don't say the Papal Crusades) is like saying Alpo and filet mignon are the same because they're "food." C) "Day One" was Jesus and his Apostles; You must be alluding the tyranny of several Catholic Popes through the ages in Europe. Of course this has nothing, zip, zero to do with American history, and the Founders who were indeed by and large C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N, so get a frickin' clue for a change. The "goal" of Catholicism vs. Protestantism is totally different. Your entire perspective of "Christians" is limited to cartoonish caricatures of Tee-Bee evangelists and cultural propaganda. Set away from you tee-bee, and again, get a clue.
That is NOT from any lack of trying, tho... Huh?? Some militant "fundies" have been trying to coerce both Pete and you, war into being Christians?? Were you two waterboarded, or just blindfolded with a gun to your head? Gee - IF that happened, I apologize for that type of over-zealousness on behalf of "Gawd," "Jeebus," and Tammy Faye Baker.
That's the rumor...of course, I do NOT claim eye-witness status...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Of course the irony is that some [Christians] of them wanted to practice a more restrictive religion. Yes and HELLO - from Papal tyranny. You'll note those early Protestants and the Founders did NOT create a "State Religion" as a constitutional requirement for its American citizenry.
Oy!
Luberator wishes to.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
war: "That is NOT from any lack of trying, tho..." Wow, war, I didn't know the infestation of KRAAAY-ZEE Kristians wuz soooo bad in yer neck of the woods...send me yer home address and I'll come over and hang out and protect you from these menaces 2 society, my friend. I know how to talk to the Fundies...I'll defend yer honor as an AmericanAtheist...MUD BTW...same offer to you, 2, stinky...
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Talk about "out of thin air"! Say what? Adaptive "evolution" is TOTALLY different than one species evolving into another. Nice try with your own "superstition, " Mr. Wonder. There is ZILCH evidence that supports your fantasy. Just because your tiny grey mass cannot fathom anything beyond this physical realm doesn't mean it's "superstition." We and everything has obviously been DESIGNED. By a CREATOR. Just a good guess here, but I'm willing to believe that this Creator was willing to have His Story and Plan told to us dummies. Hmmm...could that be the BIBLE?? Hey,why not tell us all about how Noah got two animals of every type about the Ark,AND provide us proof that this really happened? I'm sorry - I don't access to CNN's videotape or Noah's diary...Oh wait... (snip) "...And then two damn unicorns, a mermaid, and a centaur ran off the boat just as the doors were closing...."
Several states prior to Founding adopted CoE as a state religion. The [Virginia] Act for Religious Freedom was in response to Patrrick Henry trying to establish an official religion for VA...
You'll show up to defend someone from crazies? lol
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
Luberator wishes to. See what this dope's all about? Abu al Bone Dog has all the credibility of a Kenyan Muslim Commie with the brain of a diseased weasel.
HA! Here's Yabba Dabba Bone Dog and his tiny weasel brain trying to keep up.
Yes, and thus Christians compromised with other Christians. See how that worked?
Boysenberries were created by a Rudy Boysen in my current hometown and made world famous by Knott's Berry farm. I would appreciate if you would use another analogy for your nastiness.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
HEH! But Ray Charles could STILL play the piano though and hit the right keys, couldn't he? You are purposely blind due to the brainwashing you received as a child. Not quite. You know nothing about how I arrived at my faith.
Thanks for the history lesson....(yawn) We would appreciate if you would crawl back into your bottle of Boysenberry-flavored gin. Thank you.
Prove it. Cite it. Case & point. Thanks in advance.
WHOM are not "free" in America, again? Reality check time.
I don't even believe you have a faith. I think it's a front you put on for your internet persona. It's all part of your desperate effort to feel good about yourself by having internet friends. Good luck!
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
"Liberator wishes to." Dammitall, liberator...have U been pushin' yer beliefs on the DaughterMolester again?! Sheesh...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, We would appreciate if you would crawl back into your bottle of Boysenberry-flavored gin. Thank you. Sounds like history is just too boring for you to follow so you will just have to keep repeating it. Is that how you self medicate? Too bad your Eskalith is out again, maybe we should pass the hat around to get your prescription renewed.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Bipolar in it's manic state. They love the chaos and uproar they create.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Yea, looks like ol' stinky's back on the sauce...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Yeah, that's it, Obamabot MORON!! That's it...ROFLMAO!! How's November lookin' 4 U now, Marxist Minion?!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Your prima donna ad lib ruined it for me, and of course, others. Too bad your Eskalith is out again, maybe we should pass the hat around to get your prescription renewed. Hey good idea!! Why don't you assign that task to yourself? Pass around your empty 5-litre jug instead. You fill that baby up, and I'll tip you enough coin to keep your bottle bottomless until....well...has that ever happened?
They sell that hooch over the counter?!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Heh - I miss this latest idiocy of MG's... 0bama and the Dems are fire-bombing America every day...and then don't quite understand why we're scrambling around for buckets and hoses. Meanwhile, there's Mininggold cashing in her gubmint check at the 7-11 and walking out with a fresh carton of Marlboro Lights, a fresh litre, and a copy of the LA Times to keep "current." Nov. 4 can't come too soon.
Naaah. MG brews her own. :-D
I dunno what kinda stuff he's hittin', but I hope he ain't driving.
You and Mud would make such a compatible couple. You do know he's on the prowl? I bet you already finish each other's sentences.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Huh? The Act basically told the religions to go fuck themselves.
Don't hold your breath. The way stinkypants little "man" works is if "he" says it, it is OBVIOUSLY "true". What's the matter, you don't believe the "hero" who won the Vietnam WAR all by "him" self?
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Mudboy on the prowl...whatta scarey sight to all, I reckon...LOL!! In all honesty, I'm really not all that certain which of y'all are dudes and which of y'all are gals, 'cuz it tain't never really mattered much...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That's obviously the way YOU negotiate "compromise." Lol, I'll bet you slammed your shoe like Khrushchev on the desk of your ex's lawyer during the divorce proceedings.
Dude, I have never been in the heat of war, so I'm not big on doing anything other than honoring the service of those who put themselves in harm's way in the name of our Nation, especially the frontline troops. And I have NEVER seen Pete go talkin' like he was RamboOnSteroids during Nam... Doesn't mean his mind ain't broke these days, but it ain't got NOTHING to do with honorable service to this nation...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I bet you already finish each other's sentences. Hey Mud - I guess this is mininggold's way of trolling us for some "odd" action. I think I can speak for my amigo Mud: Thanks, but no thanks, MG. Try the motley crew hanging out at 7-11 where you just cashed your check.
I don't believe there's anything but a gerbil wheel stuffed in your cranium, but I suppose that notion might be near unanimous at LF. I think it's a front you put on for your internet persona. Yeah. Because it's so important. It's all part of your desperate effort to feel good about yourself by having internet friends. Good luck! Interesting projection. Feeling lonely?
ROFL
"Dude" YOU didn't say it, I said it about "him", and I could with ease quote the puffed up little turd claiming it. I DO honor the service of ALL who served with HONOR, even stinkypants little "man". But just because I honor and respect his service does NOT mean that I respect him as an individual person. It's stinkypants little "man" who does NOT respect other's service. which is why I have complete and total CONTEMPT for "him". Whatever "he" once was, "he" is what "he" IS now. An ignorant, hypocritical, drunken, bitter, delusion little puffed up self declared "hero" a$$wipe. ALL of the above is ME saying what I believe. It was never meant to be understood in any way that anybody else was saying it. I have earned the RIGHT, and am under a serious DUTY to say it. Because it is the TRUTH, and he dishonors "him" self, and all of US Vietnam vets by being such a miserable POS. Sorry if some splashed onto you.
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The Act for Religious Freedom was NOT a compromise. It was a demand.
The difference is that all Religion is man made, but Faith is a personal relationship between them and God. No argument there. That's why they call it faith instead of fact. Why don't you just be honest and tell those here who do have FAITH in God why you feel such animocity towards them? I don't,other than those who seem to think their religious beliefs give them license to try and enforce their religious views on me and others using the power of government to do so. I would really like to know how far you yourself would go to silence these people who believe in God....how far would you go in aiding this government to crush these bible thumpers you hate so much? I wouldn't do it if it were within my power to do so,and no more trouble that making a phone call. This is America,and you have the right to live your life according to your own beliefs (as long as you aren'r harming someone else) without having to seek approval of permission from me or anyone else. The flip side is I demand the same consideration when it comes to my rights to live my own life.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
American history exists BECAUSE of World History.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I can't speak for war,but the answer is "Yes,they sure have!" for me. Were you two waterboarded, or just blindfolded with a gun to your head? Pretty much with a gun to the head,although it remained in the holster the threat was there. I was threatened with arrest because I was living with a woman I wasn't married to while living in Virginia in the early 70's. The cop that came to the door and told me to move out or face arrest said it was the result of a citizen's complaint about the cohabation violation of Virginia State Law. Since the next door neighbor was a old woman bible-thumper,it was no mystery about who the complainant was. That is just one example.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Thanks for the offer,but I don't need anyone to protect me.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
ROFLMAO! Good one! Boy,I just don't know how to go about refuting evidence like that!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yup,and each cult still thinks that every other cult is going straight to hell,and happy about it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes,indeedy!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What did wars sperm say to sneakypetes sperm. It said I can't find the egg in all this shit.
That has to be some of the lamest shit I have seen on these boards. You didn't take any American history classes in public schools? Or did you go to one of those fundie schools where they brainwash children?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Do you suffer from a serious case of ADD? You have posted dozens of posts on just this one thread stating you want to restrict the rights of homosexuals and make them 2nd class citizens with fewer rights than you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yeah,there is just too much of that "freedom stuff" talk going on for a good,Gawd-fearing RINO to be comfortable with,right?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Once again,LIAR,why not post a quote of mine where I ever said or implied that?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The kids who come out score better on tests. More go to college. They are better behaved. Have better manners. Better end results.
Then why don't you post the URL so we can all see it if it is that easy for you to post? After all,I have only asked you to do this a dozen times or so. Poser.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
A most useful feature would be to remove poster from thread.
Written by a man whose religious idol is famous for hanging around only with men and saying "Love your fellow man!"
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
LOL! SURE ya have stinkypants little "man", SURE ya have. Self declared "hero", you dishonorable c^nt. CONTEMPT Spit ...
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"LOL! SURE ya have stinkypants little "man", SURE ya have. Self declared "hero", you dishonorable c^nt. CONTEMPT Spit ..."
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! "ol stinkypants little "man" SOP. But you weren't exactly holding your breath waiting were you liberator? Looks like it's "miller time" in stinkypants little "man" -ville. Gee who saw THAT coming? LOL!
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F ing SICK! (BUT hilarious!) LOL!
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Or did you go to one of those fundie schools where The kids who come out score better on tests. More go to college. They are better behaved. Have better manners. Better end results. The ONLY reasons this is ever true (Catholic and Jewish schools,for example) is because for the most part they are not subject to the same PC regulations on teachers or curriculum as public schools,and even more importantly,the children going to these schools are more likely to have parents who are involved in their lives and who push them to learn. As long as they are not learning evolution or anything else that conflicts with their superstitions,that is. I have heard these same claims make for home schooling,and most of the parents I know who believe in home schooling are too bleeping ignorant to train a dog.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Do you French Kiss your father with that mouth,punk?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
F ing SICK! (BUT hilarious!) LOL! It seems you two have developed a fan. You must be sooo proud!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Shouldn't that be a NEWSFLASH?? (eyeball roll) Fact: "History" proves Christians aka "fundies" are primarily responsible for "America."
That is just one example. Amusing story, but not exactly "proof" that you've been coerced to be a Christian by a Christian. You'll need to use all those other examples in your file cabinet.
Boy,I just don't know how to go about refuting evidence like that! Thanks. I tried to dumb it down for you.
Yup,and each cult still thinks that every other cult is going straight to hell,and happy about it. At least you seem to concede concessions were made by the Founders of different Christian sects. See? That wasn't so hard for you to do. FWIW, I don't pretend to know who's going to hell or heaven. Just that some seem to be content punching their tickets to the non-heaven without much contemplation. Question, Pete: How has random Evolution created an innate sense for humans of "good" and evil"? "Right" and "Wrong"? Think about it.
So... You're claiming that because Queers absurd insistence on the language and status of "Marriage" has been denied by the REST of us, they are relegated to "2nd Class" citizenry?? Man, that's just bizarre. Look - they have every right to poke themselves silly with another man's penis up the poop-shoot, use a sock-puppet or kielbasa, and call that their "hubby." WTF else do you want from the rest of us?
Typical petey.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
ROFLMAO! I don't want to confuse you so I will ask you a easy 2 part question. "When was the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964 passed and signed into law?". "When did the SC rule this was un-Constitutional?"
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Hell,he hated the idea of sex with women so much he pretended his mother was a virgin! How have I overestimated your level of honor, intellect and sanity for so long? Sorry - my bad. Point out just ONE false statement in what I wrote,or shut up and accept it as the truth.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,it doesn't.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There is more proof there than there is proof of virgin birth,yet you have no trouble believing that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Are you saying that you and other Christians are so bleeping stupid that as adults you have to have someone tell you the difference between good and evil,and then threaten you with everlasting torture to get you to behave?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,what is bizarre is you have somehow managed to live long enough to become an adult without walking out in front of a bus.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
LOL! That's ALL that you have isn't it stinkypants little "man"? IF my father was still alive, he'd be 89 years old, and even at that age, it would still take at least three or four full grown men to hold him down to keep him from kicking your worthless dishonorable self declared "hero" hypocrite ass down the middle of main street at noon b!tch. Tell us all again how you "won" the Vietnam WAR all by your lonesome stinkypants little "man", how YOU get to determine who is and who is NOT a "real" Vietnam vet. How the vast majority of serving soldiers, and ALL airmen, and ALL sailors, and ALL marines, didn't do a d@mned thing worth a d@mn or dangerous or combat. Tell us all again how names on the Vietnam memorial don't REALLY deserve to be there stinkypants little "man". "Self declared "hero", you dishonorable c^nt. CONTEMPT Spit ..."
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LOL! That's ALL that you have isn't it stinkypants little "man"? Tell us all again how you "won" the Vietnam WAR all by your lonesome stinkypants little "man", how YOU get to determine who is and who is NOT a "real" Vietnam vet. How the vast majority of serving soldiers, and ALL airmen, and ALL sailors, and ALL marines, didn't do a d@mned thing worth a d@mn or dangerous or combat. Tell us all again how names on the Vietnam memorial don't REALLY deserve to be there stinkypants little "man". "Self declared "hero", you dishonorable c^nt. CONTEMPT Spit ..."
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Hell,he hated the idea of sex with women so much he pretended his mother was a virgin! "Point out just ONE false statement in what I wrote,or shut up and accept it as the truth." You typing this crap is as dopey as anyone claiming you went to Nam for the same exact reasons. The "truth" and sanity and you just dove off a cliff together at the Grand Canyon without a parachute.
Tell me your brain has been kidnapped....Tap three times on your monitor - That'll be code for "yes." I'll send a SWAT out ASAP.
Yeah,I have no doubt he was a "man's man",just like you. Was he also as big a liar as you are? WHEN are you going to copy and paste a post of mine where I claim to be a hero,poser? Isn't it about time for you to send up the Bat Signal to have yukon come over here and help his puppy? Again.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Have you forgotten how to speak English,or are you now content to just string random words together and pretend it means something without the aid of a translator?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You really are a pitiful excuse for a human being stinkypants little "man", nothing funny about that. Yeah stinkypants little "man" talking sh!t about people's dead parents is EXACTLY YOUR SPEED you vile little dishonorable little c^nt. LOL! my father would have really enjoyed busting a little c^nt such as you down while everyone watched. Am I supposed to attack YOUR family now c^nt? I can't keep it all sorted out stinkypants little "man". I call YOU a vile dishonorable little c^nt, and you attack the NAVY; I call YOU a vile dishonorable little c^nt, and you attack my ships and squadron and fleet; I call YOU a vile dishonorable little c^nt, and you insult the men whose names are on the Vietnam memorial; I call YOU a vile dishonorable litttle c^nt, and YOU attack every man who served who doesn't meet the delusion of YOUR "standards", NOT a "real" Vietnam vet; etc. etc. etc. So, thanks stinkypants little "man" for proving MY point, (that you are a vile dishonorable little c^nt) over and over and over .... And you are just TOO plain F ing STOOOOOPID to see what YOU have done! LOL! "LOL! That's ALL that you have isn't it stinkypants little "man"? Tell us all again how you "won" the Vietnam WAR all by your lonesome stinkypants little "man", how YOU get to determine who is and who is NOT a "real" Vietnam vet. How the vast majority of serving soldiers, and ALL airmen, and ALL sailors, and ALL marines, didn't do a d@mned thing worth a d@mn or dangerous or combat. Tell us all again how names on the Vietnam memorial don't REALLY deserve to be there stinkypants little "man". "Self declared "hero", you dishonorable c^nt. CONTEMPT Spit ..."
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(laughing) He's nothing more than a kid playing on the internet, as his posts demonstrate conclusively. Kinda feel sorry for him, cause its obvious I'm 'in his head' 24/7/365. Why that is...I really have no idea.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
"...there is just too much of that "freedom stuff" talk going on..." Pete Pete Pete...so that's how yer framing this issue in yer mind, another WIN fer the civil libertarians?! LOL...whatta CROCK, dude...U have the very same RIGHT to git married as I do, U just can't marry yer dad, or yer brother, or yer cousin, in anyone of the same sex. CAPICHE?! "...for a good, Gawd-fearing RINO to be comfortable with, right?" Tsk tsk tsk, Stinky, U know I quit the GOP back in 2002, yet U spread lies nonetheless...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "...there is just too much of that "freedom stuff" talk going on..." Pete Pete Pete...so that's how yer framing this issue in yer mind, another WIN fer the civil libertarians?! LOL...whatta CROCK, dude...U have the very same RIGHT to git married as I do, U just can't marry yer dad, or yer brother, or yer cousin, or anyone of the same sex. CAPICHE?! "...for a good, Gawd-fearing RINO to be comfortable with, right?" Tsk tsk tsk, Stinky, U know I quit the GOP back in 2002, yet U spread lies nonetheless...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Understandable position considering Stinky's transformation over the last however many years...I still like him, though, even if his mind's gone bad and he's become a whiney Obamabot like war and Ethyl and the rest of the MetrosexualBikerTrollGang they got prancin' about...LOL!! Gonna be fun 2 C how many of the RATS come back trollin' post-11/2/10...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, LOL! I hear ya mud. In NO way have I ever tried to speak for anybody else but myself. I believe totally in individual Liberty and responsibility. My only "command" to all people would be "be TRUE to yourself". Some of my friends despise each other. But I don't play that sh!t. I deal with people as individuals. I actually like him in many ways also, but ... Well, you can't UN ring a bell can you? So, no worries mud. Do as YOU will.
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I sure do. I understand you and others like you think it is ok for you and the government to have the power to tell others who they can and can't marry.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Except for when it comes to homosexuals that are out of the closet,right? Then again,you do seem to be willing to let male homosexuals marry female homosexuals. Which is awful white of you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
So you actually believe it is an abrogation of our civil rights fer U to not B ALLOWED to marry yer dad, yer brother, or yer cousin? That's pure silliness and the metrosexual ninnies oughtta just git over their grandstanding on this issue. Sorry, dude, but yer mind's simply gone bad...happens to ol' folks, I hear...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, No. Why do you continue to be so dishonest about this issue? You KNOW I have never claimed such a thing,and as far as I know there haven't been any homosexuals demanding the right to marry their father,brother,or cousin,either. If there has,point them out. Do you do this because you know you are wrong and are desperate to cloud the facts in order to mask how weak your case is if you stick to the facts? After all,if what you say is true,shouldn't we all be worried about U marrying your mother,sister,or cousin?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Pete, yer civil libertarian argument works every bit as well fer my examples as it does fer yer non-blood relative argument, that's all I'm saying...MUD BTW...hope you are having a wonderful weekend.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Disingenuous asshole.
"Were you ever in the music or song writing business?" ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol ..... AND ....... "But his decent into vile absurdity is still actually kind of sad and pitiful really" .... mad doggie
Molester of daughters.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,to protect MARRIAGE
#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
to protect MOTHERHOOD & FATHERHOOD
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
(Edited)
#5. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#4)
#6. To: jwpegler (#5)
Many are just as eager as the left to use government power to force their mandates on society. That's exactly the problem.
#7. To: Liberator (#6)
You haven't any clue that you've been brainwashed by the social re-engineers of the Commie-Left.
#8. To: Abu el Bone Dog, no gnu taxes, AKA Stone (#1)
The people involved in the institution of marriage have abandoned it and ground it into the dirt as useless...
#9. To: jwpegler (#7)
I, on the other hand, align myself with Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, George Mason, and other founders who opposed granting too much power to a central government. They were right.
#10. To: Liberator (#8)
Abu el Bone Dog
#11. To: Liberator (#9)
YOU sided with Government against the People in the case of California's Proposition 8.
#12. To: Luberator (#8)
#13. To: war (#10)
Abu el Bone Dog
#14. To: jwpegler, llucysmom (#11)
I sided with no one in that case because it's none of the government's business.
#15. To: Liberator (#14)
You did so side with someone - the Judge (representing Government) and gays
#16. To: Abu el Banat (#12)
Blabbermouth.
#17. To: jwpegler (#15)
Show me where I did that.
#18. To: Liberator (#16)
I'm not surprised you've stumbling
#19. To: Liberator (#17)
Review several of your posts and gist, and essay.
#20. To: Liberator (#13)
#21. To: jwpegler, war, Liberator, Abdul, skippy, All (#19)
I want everyone to be able to make their own decisions.
#22. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#23. To: WhiteSands (#22)
Society needs to regulate homosexuality for the same reason it regulates smoking.
#24. To: WhiteSands, All (#22)
#25. To: WhiteSands (#22)
Society needs to regulate homosexuality for the same reason it regulates smoking.
#26. To: WhiteSands (#22)
Society needs to regulate homosexuality for the same reason it regulates smoking.
#27. To: Rhino (#26)
#28. To: Rhino (#26)
#29. To: war (#25)
"Heterosexual transmission of STD's is FAR HIGHER..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#30. To: Ibluafartsky (#21)
Even 4 year olds
#31. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)
#32. To: no gnu taxes, sneakypete (#0)
GAY PARTNERS ALREADY HAVE SAME RIGHTS AS MARRIED SPOUSES
#33. To: Liberator (#32)
(Edited)
You haven't weighed in on the 'Defense of Marriage Act'...
#34. To: jwpegler (#4)
I for one don’t give a hoot what consenting adults do. If two people of the same sex want to have a contractual arrangement called "marriage", I don’t care.
#35. To: war (#33)
Feel free to point out the enumeration of power within the USCON empowering Congress to legislate marriage.
#36. To: war (#28)
I find it remarkable that people will claim on one hand that they "don't care" as long as they keep the sex part out of their face and then turn around and in the same breath condmen the sex part as deviant.
#37. To: Abu el Banat (#1)
The people involved in the institution of marriage have abandoned it and ground it into the dirt as useless, so why would an external source (ie government) try and save it for them on their behalf? They don't want it. If they did they would protect it themselves.
#38. To: jwpegler (#19)
It's a dead end game. The people who love government always win.
#39. To: Liberator (#37)
#40. To: Liberator (#32)
The US Constitution does not grant any “right” to homosexual marriage. Nor does Congress, which in 1996 overwhelmingly passed the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman.
#41. To: Liberator (#34)
You have not only ignored the 'Marriage Act' legislation, but any contractual arrangement of "Gay" marriage would required government intrusion and authority and official sanctioning. The same government you supposedly want out of our lives.
#42. To: sneakypete (#40)
Why does marriage need to be protected? Would your marriage fall apart or be worth less if homosexuals were allowed to marry? How does it effect you in any legal sense?
#43. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
#44. To: Liberator (#38)
1) Who GAS about Thomas Jefferson?? He wasn't queer, he was a slave owner, and he's been DEAD for 200 years.
#45. To: sneakypete (#41)
You have it backwards. We used to say there are two types of officers in the army. Those who take the approach that if something isn't specifically forbidden it is permissable,and those who take the approach that if something isn't specifically named as being permissible,it must be forbidden.
#46. To: Liberator (#38)
Who GAS about Thomas Jefferson
#47. To: sneakypete (#44)
Ahhhh,now you are reduced to taking the Tan Klan line about "dead old white guys". Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be soooo proud to hear this!
#48. To: jwpegler (#46)
Benito Giuliani is much more to your liking.
#49. To: Liberator (#42)
(Edited)
And subverting the traditions and heritage and system of civilized society.
#50. To: Badeye (#43)
If gays want to experience the wonder and joy of divorce, who am I to deny them?
#51. To: Badeye (#43)
I hae no problem with civil unions. None.
#52. To: sneakypete (#49)
#53. To: Liberator (#45)
And then the third type - COMMON SENSE-LOGIC - regardless of what's deemed "permissible."
#54. To: sneakypete, Badeye (#51)
marriage/civil union=toma toe/toe matto.
#55. To: sneakypete (#53)
The Constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper",huh?
So you're in favor of polygamy, NO age limitation, and therefore "marriage" between a 6 year old boy and a man?
#56. To: Liberator (#47)
We are a Constitutional Representative Republic. We do NOT have mob rule.
#57. To: Liberator (#52)
As it turns out, somehow the BIG PROBLEM with America to you is "Fundies."
#58. To: Liberator (#54)
You and Gays demand "MARRIAGE."
#59. To: Liberator (#55)
YOU are the one who demands government stay the hell out of defining who can marry whom. Right?
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
You want the government to restrict the rights of homosexuals in order to favor the beliefs of fundie Christians.
#61. To: sneakypete (#59)
YOU want the government to use it's power to take active steps to further your agenda of limiting rights to a specific group of citizens.
#62. To: sneakypete (#58)
You and Gays demand "MARRIAGE."
#63. To: sneakypete (#59)
I will try to dumb it down a little further for you.
#64. To: sneakypete (#57)
The Fundies of one cult flew some airplanes into buildings in a effort to destroy our country,and the fundies from your cult are determined to destroy the US Constitution using other methods.
#65. To: Liberator (#61)
Aren't 6 year old boys considered "citizens"? Do you support the government (and its "power") to restrict Gay "Marriage" to a certain age?
#66. To: jwpegler (#30)
Adults.
#67. To: Liberator (#50)
#68. To: sneakypete (#51)
#69. To: Liberator (#54)
#70. To: Badeye (#69)
#71. To: Liberator (#61)
Aren't 6 year old boys considered "citizens"?
#72. To: Liberator (#62)
I'm nuts for stating the truth about your position?
#73. To: Liberator (#64)
In Sneakypete's mind, "fundies" = Muslims and Christians. Equally destructive, yet destructive all the same.
#74. To: Badeye (#68)
The simple fact is gays could have had civil unions in the last century.
#75. To: war (#31)
(Edited)
"You're out of your mind if you ***think*** otherwise..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#76. To: Mudboy Slim (#75)
#77. To: sneakypete (#74)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#78. To: war (#76)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#79. To: sneakypete (#59)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#80. To: war, sneakypete, Biff Tannen, Murron, mel, diva betsy ross, A K A Stone, TLBSHOW, Jhoffa_, BorisY, yukon (#76)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#81. To: Liberator, sneakypete, war (#52)
"Too bad the Founders weren't gay secular humanist atheists, eh? America would have been a Shangri-La. (cough...hack)"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#82. To: sneakypete (#74)
They can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them.
#83. To: sneakypeteinthecloset (#71)
Of course. Only adults or minors of a certain age that is established by state laws can be married,and the minors need the singed permission of their parents.
#84. To: Badeye, Jethro Tull, Dakmar (#81)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#85. To: Mudboy Slim (#77)
Civil Unions AIN'T the same thing as "holy matrimony"...never have been, never will be. Git over it, y'all!!
#86. To: A K A Stone (#82)
They can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them.
#87. To: sneakypete (#86)
#88. To: A K A Stone (#83)
There is nothing in the 14th that includes age.
#89. To: sneakypete (#88)
#90. To: sneakypete (#88)
#91. To: sneakypete (#85)
They ain't "holy matrimony"
#92. To: Mudboy Slim (#79)
#93. To: Abu el Banat (#92)
#94. To: A K A Stone (#87)
Go back to your queer bathouse.
#95. To: A K A Stone (#90)
The 14th is what they are using to say equal protetction. You don't even know your own cause.
#96. To: A K A Stone (#91)
Faggots can't be holy.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#93)
Are you for faggots perverting the Godly institution of marriage.
#98. To: A K A Stone (#93)
Spit it out. Are you for faggots perverting the Godly institution of marriage.
#99. To: Abu el Banat (#70)
lol,
#100. To: sneakypete (#74)
#101. To: Badeye (#100)
What part of "could have" confuses you here?
#102. To: Badeye (#100)
#103. To: sneakypete (#98)
If marriage is so Godly,why didn't Jesus marry?
#104. To: Mudboy Slim, sneakypete, war (#81)
"Too bad the Founders weren't gay secular humanist atheists, eh? America would have been a Shangri-La. (cough...hack)"
#105. To: Abu el Bone Dog, Badeye (#70)
No one takes you seriously.
#106. To: sneakypete (#72)
A civil marriage IS a marriage.
#107. To: sneakypete (#73)
Both [Muslims and Christians] are set on destroying our freedoms to install a theocracy. You are just too brainwashed to see it.
#108. To: Liberator, stinkypants little man (#103)
How have I overestimated your level of honor, intellect and sanity for so long? Sorry - my bad.
#109. To: sneakypete, Badeye (#74)
They [gays] can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them.
#110. To: Mad Dog (#108)
#111. To: A K A Stone (#91)
They ain't "holy matrimony"
#112. To: Liberator (#110)
(Edited)
#113. To: Liberator (#103)
How have I overestimated your level of honor, intellect and sanity for so long? Sorry - my bad.
#114. To: Liberator (#107)
#115. To: Liberator (#109)
They [gays] can NOT go to a city hall and get a marriage permit and have a judge marry them.
#116. To: Liberator (#103)
"How have I overestimated your level of honor, intellect and sanity for so long? Sorry - my bad."
RATS R STOOOPID and they VOTE 4 STOOOPID pols!!
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#117. To: sneakypete (#113)
In other words you can't refute a single thing I posted,so you resort to a personal attack.
#118. To: sneakypete (#114)
Both [Muslims and Christians] are set on destroying our freedoms to install a theocracy. You are just too brainwashed to see it.
QUESTION: Just what is the Christian version of "Sharia Law"?
#119. To: Liberator (#117)
How does one refute insanity and etched-in-stone idiocy?
#120. To: Liberator (#118)
Anyone who looks at creation's design and believes it's all happened spontaneously and coincidentally - without a "Gawd" designing it - is beyond intellectual redemption.
#121. To: Abu el Banat (#92)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#122. To: sneakypete (#85)
"...the couple weren't married by a child molester or homo in a collar..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#123. To: Mudboy Slim (#122)
Yeah, sorry about yer bad experiences in Catholic school, Pete...
#124. To: sneakypete (#119)
YOU,and the other thumpers,on the other hand,just quote is as the "Word of Gawd" and say the government should force us to live according to it.
#125. To: sneakypete (#120)
Who designed and created Gawd?
#126. To: Mudboy Slim, sneakypete (#122)
Yeah, sorry about yer bad experiences in Catholic school, Pete...
#127. To: Liberator (#125)
Who designed and created Gawd?
#128. To: sneakypete (#127)
Who designed and created Gawd?
#129. To: Liberator (#117)
(Edited)
How does one refute insanity and etched-in-stone idiocy?
#130. To: sneakypete (#123)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#131. To: Liberator, Sneakypete, war (#124)
(Edited)
"...the "Word of Gawd"
R U REALLY THAT INSANE, my friend?!
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#132. To: Mudboy Slim, Liberator, Sneakypete, war (#131)
R U REALLY THAT INSANE, my friend?!
#133. To: Mudboy Slim (#131)
#134. To: war (#131)
"...war's dolin' out his world-famous boysenberry-flavored blowjobs YET AGAIN"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#135. To: war (#133)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#136. To: Liberator, StinkyPete, wart (#124)
"Have you been possessed?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#137. To: Liberator (#128)
Who designed and created Gawd?
#138. To: Mudboy Slim (#131)
Apparently, StinkyPete has fergotten how to spell one commonly-accepted spelling of TheOneGreatCreator.
#139. To: A K A Stone, Murron, Jhoffa_, buckeroo, Dakmar, Biff Tannen, Dr. Skippy, Coral Snake, BorisY, diva betsy ross, yukon (#136)
(Edited)
(To be sung to "We are the World")
When Right heeds our Founders' Call...
When Patriots must come together as ONE!!
LeftWing people LYING!!
NOW it's time to take a stand and FIGHT!!
Elitists MUST now fall!!
Pretending RATS are SANE!!
That BARRY/DIMWIT will soon make a change...
We are all a part of...
God's great big family!!
And MUD's "TRUTH!!"...I know WISDOM'S all we need!!
We are the world...
RATS kill their children!!
We are the ones who make a brighter day...
Folks, DEFEAT Lib'rals!!!
There's a choice we're making...
We're CHOOSING to LIVE RIGHT!!
Seek "TRUTH!!" We'll make a better day...
Just you and MUD!!
So RATS know they OUGHTTA be SCAIR'T!!
And Left's CRIME has been vile Tyranny!!
As MUD has shown YOU by whuppin' up his threads...
Patriots all must lend a helping hand!!
We are the world...
RATS KILL their children!!
We are the ones who make a brighter day...
Let's DEFEAT Lib'rals!!
Righteous choice MUD's making...
RAT -TRAITORS spread RAT-LIES!!
Seek TRUTH!! We'll make a better day...
Just you and MUD!!
There seems no HOPE at all...
But if Right just BELIEVES...
There's no way we can FAIL!!
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come...
When we stand together as one!!
We are the world...
RATS KILL their children!!
We are the ones who make a brighter day...
Let's DEFEAT Lib'rals!!
Righteous choice MUD's making...
RAT -TRAITORS spread RAT-LIES!!
Seek TRUTH!! We'll make a better day...
Just you and MUD!!
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#140. To: Mudboy Slim (#131)
BTW...hey AtheistPete, R U saying you think there is no creator, no higher being...THIS is all a silly accident? R U REALLY THAT INSANE, my friend?!
#141. To: sneakypete (#138)
(Edited)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#142. To: Mudboy Slim (#141)
#143. To: sneakypete (#140)
(Edited)
"NOBODY knows"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#144. To: sneakypete (#142)
"You buy into their message."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#145. To: Mudboy Slim (#143)
Perhaps not definitively, but still, do U actually believe all of THIS is a "Happy Coincidence"?
#146. To: Mudboy Slim (#144)
"You buy into their message."
#147. To: sneakypete, Mudboy Slim (#140)
"Just don't try to use the power of government to enforce your beliefs on me."
#148. To: Murron (#147)
What are you worried about pete, there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you, in fact, it's going to be just the opposite.
#149. To: sneakypete, Murron (#148)
#150. To: Fred Mertz (#149)
I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if Murron lives in a dry county. My county is dry on Sunday - guess why.
#151. To: Murron (#150)
#152. To: Fred Mertz (#151)
He's laying pipe on some sort of industrial water project.
#153. To: Mudboy Slim (#143)
Perhaps not definitively, but still, do U actually believe all of THIS is a "Happy Coincidence"? All of nature's bounty, the inner workings of the human mind...just "evolution"? And even if there is some validity to the evolution argument (which, btw, is FAAAR from settled science), who's to say that God's hand didn't play a part in that evolution? Or Allah's hand...or Yahwah's hand?
the reader will not get it*,....immediately like,....no,...this is not going to happen microwave cook time.
Yet the facts are [That our upright walking form appeared suddenly,..out of nowhere's like...some 25 - 75,000 years ago as the various mainstream science backers opine]
We are not anything like the upright walking ape/homonids.
Our DNA has a fused pairing,....segment 1-2,0r is it 2-3.
excerpt:
apes have 48 chromosomes, while humans have "only" 46 chromosomes. Two entire chromosomes represent a heck of a lot of DNA removed from the human genome, yet somehow that removal made us "superior" in countless ways. It doesn't make sense. Nor does the fact that even with two whole chromosomes missing from our genome, we share what is now believed to be 95% of the chimp genome and around 90% of the gorilla genome. How can those numbers be made to reconcile? They can't.
Parrot:....So then,.....could someone who actually exists*,....have genetically augmented existing ape/homonids to create a Human Hybrid ?
why would they need to change the Chromosome base pairs to 46?
answer,....cuz they*[the ones who from heaven to earth came]... were 46 base pairs.
Human beings are genetic augments.
and it explains the whyfore,...for the sudden emergence in history,...while no missing link/transitional form is found.
There are accounts of those who came down to earth from the stars.
great mysteries abound in buildings left in time,...of ancient cultures lost to catastrophe.
a world mytho lore of a time when gods flew thru the sky's in greatships,who warred with each other,...who ruled mankind,.....who created,....mankind.
The Sumerian,Egyptian and Indus records all conform with the above.
a great many work dilligently to supress it,....from the religious community,...to mainstream science,...which worships Darwin.
infact,..both groups are trapped in absolutism.
#154. To: Fred Mertz (#149)
I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if Murron lives in a dry county. My county is dry on Sunday - guess why.
#155. To: sneakypete (#145)
"Just don't try to make it the law of the land."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#156. To: Mudboy Slim, Sneakypete (#131)
Apparently, StinkyPete has fergotten how to spell one commonly-accepted spelling of TheOneGreatCreator.
#157. To: sneakypete, Mudboy Slim (#140)
Evolution is the most likely explanation [for creation.]
#158. To: Mudboy Slim, sneakypete (#141)
How many Fundie preachers do you know, Pete...ain't none of them impact my life in a negative fashion...
#159. To: Murron, sneakypete, Mudboy Slim (#147)
What are you worried about pete, there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you, in fact, it's going to be just the opposite. The government will eventually enforce their laws to crush those who do believe...so your safe, no worries...
#160. To: Mudboy Slim (#155)
Now yer gittin' Muslims and their Sharia Law mixed up with Christians, who are proposing nothing of the sort. Pete,
#161. To: Liberator, Murron, sneakypete (#159)
What are you worried about pete, there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you,
#162. To: sneakypete (#160)
Hell,to get away from religious persecution is one of the prime reasons the first western settlers came to this country to start with
#163. To: Liberator (#157)
How did your mind accept 'evolution' out of thin air?
#164. To: Liberator (#159)
The lying agenda of "tolerance and diversity" - where "Gawd's fundies" are treated like enemies of "freedom" - is the centerpiece of fedgov fascism that finally takes America down.
#165. To: war, Liberator, Murron, ALL (#161)
What are you worried about pete, there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you,
#166. To: sneakypete (#165)
#167. To: war (#162)
Hell,to get away from religious persecution is one of the prime reasons the first western settlers came to this country to start with
#168. To: war (#166)
Religion fought back tho and fought back in a hurry...
#169. To: sneakypete (#165)
And no shortage of proof that enforced religion has been the norm all through history,and that it began to unravel for the first time in this country thanks to the US Constitution.
#170. To: Liberator, sneakypete, war, Badeye, A K A Stone, TLBSHOW, Dakmar, Jhoffa_, buckeroo, Murron, AuntB, Happy2Bme_onLP, Blackie (#158)
"The guy's been in the jungles of Nam fighting tooth and nail, life and limb...."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#171. To: sneakypete, Mudboy Slim (#160)
Now yer gittin' Muslims and their Sharia Law mixed up with Christians, who are proposing nothing of the sort. Pete,
#172. To: war, Murron, sneakypete, Mudboy Slim (#161)
What are you worried about pete, there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you,
#173. To: Liberator, war, sneakypete, Fred Mertz, SammieGee, Dr. Snippy, Badeye (#156)
"boysenberry," eh?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#174. To: war (#162)
Hell,to get away from religious persecution is one of the prime reasons the first western settlers came to this country to start with
#175. To: Mudboy Slim (#173)
That's the rumor...
#176. To: Murron (#169)
There is not one person here who wishes to push their beliefs on to you
#177. To: war, sneakypete (#161)
"...there are no laws to enforce the belief of God on you,"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#178. To: sneakypete (#163)
There is physical evidence of evolution,and nothing but superstitious beliefs for creationism.
#179. To: Liberator (#174)
(Edited)
You'll note those early Protestants and the Founders did NOT create a "State Religion"
#180. To: Mudboy Slim (#177)
I'll come over and hang out and protect you
#181. To: Abu el Bone Dog, Murron (#176)
There is not one person here who wishes to push their beliefs on to you
#182. To: Abu el Banat, Mudboy Slim (#180)
You'll show up to defend someone from crazies?
#183. To: war (#179)
Several states prior to Founding adopted CoE as a state religion. The [Virginia] Act for Religious Freedom was in response to Patrrick Henry trying to establish an official religion for VA...
#184. To: Mudboy Slim (#131)
I'm tellin' ya, his mind has gone bad...either that, or war's dolin' out his world-famous boysenberry-flavored blowjobs YET AGAIN...Hmmmmm...MUD
#185. To: sneakypete (#164)
Ray Charles had 20/20 vision compared to you.
#186. To: mininggold, Mudboy Slim (#184)
Boysenberries were created by a Rudy Boysen in my current hometown and made world famous by Knott's Berry farm. I would appreciate if you would use another analogy for your nastiness.
#187. To: sneakypete, war, Murron, Mudboy Slim, Mad Dog, AKA Stone, ALL (#165)
And no shortage of proof that enforced religion has been the norm all through history,and that it began to unravel for the first time in this country thanks to the US Constitution.
#188. To: sneakypete (#167)
We are either all free,or none of us are free.
#189. To: Liberator (#185)
You know nothing about how I arrived at my faith.
#190. To: Abu el Banat, liberator (#176)
There is not one person here who wishes to push their beliefs on to you
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#191. To: Liberator (#186)
Thanks for the history lesson....(yawn)
#192. To: Abu el Banat (#189)
I don't even believe you have a faith. I think it's a front you put on for your internet persona. It's all part of your desperate effort to feel good about yourself by having internet friends. Good luck!
#193. To: Liberator (#187)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#194. To: mininggold (#192)
"They love the chaos..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#195. To: mininggold (#191)
#196. To: Liberator (#186)
"Boysenberry-flavored gin..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#197. To: Mudboy Slim, mininggold (#194)
They love the chaos..."
#198. To: Mudboy Slim, mininggold (#196)
They sell that hooch over the counter?!
#199. To: Mudboy Slim (#193)
#200. To: Liberator (#199)
I dunno what kinda stuff he's hittin', but I hope he ain't driving.
#201. To: Liberator (#183)
(Edited)
#202. To: Liberator, stinkypants little man (#187)
Prove it. Cite it. Case & point.
#203. To: mininggold (#200)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#204. To: war (#201)
The Act basically told the religions to go fuck themselves.
#205. To: Mad Dog, sneakypete (#202)
(Edited)
"...you don't believe the "hero" who won the Vietnam WAR all by "him" self?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#206. To: mininggold, Mudboy Slim (#200)
You and Mud would make such a compatible couple. You do know he's on the prowl?
#207. To: Abu el Banat (#189)
I don't even believe you have a faith.
#208. To: Mudboy Slim (#177)
send me yer home address and I'll come over and hang out and protect you from these menaces 2 society, my friend. I know how to talk to the Fundies...I'll defend yer honor as an AmericanAtheist...MUD
#209. To: Mudboy Slim, stinkypants little man, ALL (#205)
#210. To: Liberator (#204)
#211. To: Murron (#169)
#212. To: Liberator (#171)
Ummm, A) we're talking about American history there Ayotollah - not world history.
#213. To: Liberator (#172)
Some militant "fundies" have been trying to coerce both Pete and you, war into being Christians??
#214. To: Mudboy Slim (#177)
BTW...same offer to you, 2, stinky...
#215. To: Liberator (#178)
We and everything has obviously been DESIGNED. By a CREATOR. Just a good guess here, but I'm willing to believe that this Creator was willing to have His Story and Plan told to us dummies. Hmmm...could that be the BIBLE??
#216. To: Liberator (#183)
Yes, and thus Christians compromised with other Christians.
#217. To: Liberator (#185)
HEH! But Ray Charles could STILL play the piano though and hit the right keys, couldn't he?
#218. To: Mudboy Slim (#203)
#219. To: Liberator (#187)
Prove it. Cite it. Case & point.
#220. To: Liberator (#188)
WHOM are not "free" in America, again?
#221. To: Mudboy Slim (#193)
Yea, looks like ol' stinky's back on the sauce...MUD
#222. To: Mad Dog (#202)
What's the matter, you don't believe the "hero" who won the Vietnam WAR all by "him" self?
#223. To: sneakypete (#219)
Or did you go to one of those fundie schools where
#224. To: Mad Dog (#209)
"Dude" YOU didn't say it, I said it about "him", and I could with ease quote the puffed up little turd claiming it.
#225. To: pinguinite (#219)
#226. To: A K A Stone (#218)
What did wars sperm say to sneakypetes sperm. It said I can't find the egg in all this shit.
#227. To: stinkypants little man (#224)
#228. To: stinkypants little man (#222)
#229. To: stinkypants little man, Liberator (#219)
#230. To: A K A Stone, Mudboy Slim (#218)
#231. To: A K A Stone (#223)
#232. To: Mad Dog (#227)
Self declared "hero", you dishonorable c^nt.
#233. To: Mad Dog (#230)
To: A K A Stone, Mudboy Slim
#234. To: sneakypete (#212)
American history exists BECAUSE of World History.
#235. To: sneakypete (#213)
Pretty much with a gun to the head,although it remained in the holster the threat was there. I was threatened with arrest because I was living with a woman I wasn't married to while living in Virginia in the early 70's. The cop that came to the door and told me to move out or face arrest said it was the result of a citizen's complaint about the cohabation violation of Virginia State Law. Since the next door neighbor was a old woman bible-thumper,it was no mystery about who the complainant was.
#236. To: sneakypete (#215)
ROFLMAO! Good one!
#237. To: sneakypete (#216)
Yes, and thus Christians compromised with other Christians.
#238. To: sneakypete (#220)
Do you suffer from a serious case of ADD? You have posted dozens of posts on just this one thread stating you want to restrict the rights of homosexuals and make them 2nd class citizens with fewer rights than you.
#239. To: sneakypete (#101)
#240. To: A K A Stone (#102)
What Sneakingaroundthecloset is talking about is that judges back then never would have allowed it. They had more respect for the constitution.
#241. To: Liberator (#103)
As far as that goes,why did he hang around exclusively with a bunch of hairy-legged men,rant and rave about men visiting prostitutes,and then turn around and say "Love your fellow man!"?
#242. To: Liberator (#234)
Fact: "History" proves Christians aka "fundies" are primarily responsible for "America."
#243. To: Liberator (#235)
Amusing story, but not exactly "proof" that you've been coerced to be a Christian by a Christian.
#244. To: Liberator (#237)
How has random Evolution created an innate sense for humans of "good" and evil"? "Right" and "Wrong"?
#245. To: Liberator (#238)
You're claiming that because Queers absurd insistence on the language and status of "Marriage" has been denied by the REST of us, they are relegated to "2nd Class" citizenry?? Man, that's just bizarre.
#246. To: stinkypants little man (#232)
#247. To: stinkypants little man, A K A Stone, Mudboy Slim (#233)
#248. To: sneakypete (#241)
As far as that goes,why did he hang around exclusively with a bunch of hairy-legged men,rant and rave about men visiting prostitutes,and then turn around and say "Love your fellow man!"?
#249. To: sneakypete (#244)
Are you saying that you and other Christians are so bleeping stupid that as adults you have to have someone tell you the difference between good and evil,and then threaten you with everlasting torture to get you to behave?
#250. To: Mad Dog (#246)
(Edited)
IF my father was still alive, he'd be 89 years old, and even at that age, it would still take at least three or four full grown men to hold him down to keep him from kicking your worthless dishonorable self declared "hero" hypocrite ass down the middle of main street at noon b!tch.
#251. To: Liberator (#248)
(Edited)
You typing this crap is as dopey as anyone claiming you went to Nam for the same exact reasons.
#252. To: stinkypants little man (#250)
#253. To: Liberator (#105)
#254. To: sneakypete (#221)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#255. To: sneakypete (#221)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#256. To: Mad Dog, sneakypete, war, Fred Mertz, SammieGee, Dr. Skippy, JimmieDee, Biff Tannen (#209)
"...just because I honor and respect his service does NOT mean that I respect him as an individual person."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#257. To: Mudboy Slim (#256)
#258. To: Mudboy Slim (#254)
.U have the very same RIGHT to git married as I do, U just can't marry yer dad, or yer brother, or yer cousin, in anyone of the same sex. CAPICHE?!
#259. To: Mad Dog (#257)
I believe totally in individual Liberty and responsibility.
#260. To: sneakypete (#258)
"...the power to tell others who they can and can't marry."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#261. To: Mad Dog (#257)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#262. To: Mudboy Slim (#260)
So you actually believe it is an abrogation of our civil rights fer U to not B ALLOWED to marry yer dad, yer brother, or yer cousin?
#263. To: sneakypete (#262)
(Edited)
"...as far as I know there haven't been any homosexuals demanding the right to marry their father, brother, or cousin, either."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#264. To: Mudboy Slim (#263)
BTW...hope you are having a wonderful weekend.
#265. To: Abu el Banat (#264)
(Edited)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
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