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Title: Giving Bush Credit for Iraq Too Much for Obama to Swallow
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Published: Aug 9, 2010
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Christiane Amanpour on Sunday asked a rather surprising question of her "This Week" panel concerning President Obama’s speech earlier in the week about the troop draw down in Iraq:

Do you think everybody is taking a lot of credit but not giving credit where credit is due?

Obviously, "everybody" in this instance meant the current White House resident who chose not to give credit to former President George W. Bush for the success in Iraq or to even mention "the surge" in his address.

After former Bush speechwriter now Washington Post contributor Michael Gerson said, "I didn’t find the speech to be a particularly generous speech…he’s attempting to take credit for something that he opposed," some truly shocking statements were made by Amanpour and Politico’s John Harris (video follows with transcript and commentary):

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, HOST: Before turning to domestic news, I want to start with Iraq, because we just heard from General Odierno we know that the draw down, President Obama makes a speech today reaffirming the draw down, rather this week. Do you think everybody is taking a lot of credit but not giving credit where credit is due?

MICHAEL GERSON, WASHINGTON POST: I didn’t find the speech to be a particularly generous speech. I mean, this is really the implementation of the status of forces agreement that was agreed to in 2008 under the Bush administration. Barack Obama, people forget, actually voted against funding for the troops. He opposed the surge. He gave a speech without mentioning the surge or General Petraeus. I think that that’s probably, you know, he’s attempting to take credit for something that he opposed.

AMANPOUR: The surge, let’s face it, has worked up until now. We can see that it’s had a huge, huge impact on stability in Iraq, despite a spike of violence. Do you think that it would have been even politically expedient to actually praise the surge, because the future of Iraq is this president’s future?

Imagine that. Amanpour actually said the surge has worked.

This wasn’t the tune she was singing on September 10, 2007, just before Petraeus spoke to Congress about how this strategy was doing:

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, in short, they’re very worried, because they see, as, in fact, General Petraeus himself admits in an open letter to his own troops ahead of this report on Congress, that, yes, they are making some progress in some areas. He’s said to his own troops, we have the ball and we’re driving it down the field. But in short, we are a long way from our goal.

They are happy, of course, the change at the moment in the Anbar province, which used to be the most dangerous. But it’s now much more safe because some of the sheikhs and would-be insurgents have switch sides and joined the U.S. against al Qaeda. But then they see at other parts of Iraq how sort of as the surge is squelching some activity in some parts of Iraq, it’s sort of coming up and showing itself in other parts, the violence. So, around the world people are looking at that and wondering how this is going to proceed.

The British themselves, who are the main coalition partners of the United States, have withdrawn their troops from a high of 30,000 during the war and the immediate aftermath of the war to now less than 5,000, and they have withdrawn completely from the urban area they were responsible for, Basra in the south. And they are at an air base. And, of course, that’s being carefully looked at as to see the effect of that and what that might mean for the future.

But in short, the rest of the world is exceptionally anxious. Leaders in the region do not think that there can be potentially any progress. They are very concerned about this administration. They feel that it’s a lame-duck administration, and they are very concerned about the future of Iraq, because it has massive ripple effects in this whole region.

Now, almost three years later, all that anxiety was proven unwarranted.

Regardless, here’s how Harris answered Amanpour’s question:

JOHN HARRIS, POLITICO: Well, probably the more cynical thing to do, or sort of a more Machiavellian thing to do for President Obama, would have been to lavish credit on President Bush. I mean, one of the central parts of Obama’s brand at least when he came into Washington was that he was a bridge builder and could sort of drain politics. He would have therefore sort of cut off the conservative critique that he’s, which is out there, that he is leaving too soon, and looked gracious in doing so. I don’t know, I think that may have been, that doesn’t come naturally to him. It might have been a little too much to swallow.

Hmmm. So admitting he was wrong doesn’t come naturally to Obama, nor does praising a former President whose strategy ended up being a huge success?

Those seem like significant character flaws for the most powerful man in the world, wouldn’t you agree?

Even so, it sure was nice to see two members of the mainstream media admit that our current President was taking credit for something he didn’t do especially given the other player involved.

Post facto opinion: This was a staggeringly boring "Roundtable."

As part of the change associated with bringing Amanpour in, the producers have decided to add some new faces to the panel discussion segment.

Viewers got a taste of this Sunday with all four guests being first-timers on the program…and it showed.

Complicating matters was the absence of George Will who is on vacation thereby leaving a segment lacking any sense of humor or irony.

Having been watching "This Week" since it first started decades ago always looking forward to the "Roundtable," this iteration was a tremendous disappointment.

For those interested, the Huffington Post has a slideshow of all the new faces we’ll be seeing on the panel in coming weeks.

Let’s hope it gets better.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

The surge, let’s face it, has worked up until now.

Bullshit.

The surge will have "worked" when they stop the slaughter and can sit a government.

war  posted on  2010-08-09   10:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war (#1)

Note the pundits never go away, no matter how many times they're wrong.

Gerson's CIA.

In what could be part of the preparation for an attack on Iran, 47 members of the House of Representatives recently put forth a non-binding resolutiondeclaring Iran to be "an immediate and existential threat to the State of Israel".

Which is then when the Black Caucus was targeted for standing in the way.

And Iraq STILL doesn't have electricity. Still producing less oil than Saddam.

What was the ONLY Ministry guarded like a Crown Jewel with the US Invasion? The Ministry of Oil.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-09   10:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#1)

Like, just exactly HOW does Amanpour work for BOTH ABC and CNN at the same time?

We're just about down to Pravda (AP) and ITAR TASS (TV).

No need to wonder hw the avg Soviet felt in 1989,...

Kunstler:

Otherwise, these are just ominous days of drift in a place of stillness where the uncomplaining robot traders tirelessly work their magic in the server farms of Wall Street, while their putative "handlers" enjoy the dainty pleasures of the Hamptons

-- which seem to center these days on pounding back vast draughts of premium vodka in conjunction with Red Bull, cocaine, hydroponic ganja, Viagra, and Klonopin to round off all those edges. And let's not forget the catered delicacies circulating on trays passed by super-models -- the yellowtail tartare tidbits, the green olive pesto crescents, the firecracker shrimp canapés. I wonder if the nibblers ever stop to reflect on how many of the un-privileged "out there" get by lately on dog food and ketchup.

My timing is notoriously faulty, they say, but I can't ignore the sensation of being seasick-on-dry-land that tells me something awful is at hand.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-09   10:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war, no gnu taxes (#1) (Edited)

More Americans were killed last month in Iraq than in any month during the war.

As soon as the troops leave, the country will degenerate into civil war with Sunnis, Kurds, and Shiites all at each other's throats. Just this weekend, bombings killed 69 people in Bagdad, including an American.

Our $1 TRILLION and 4,400 dead American kids will have accomplished nothing.

Bill Kristol and hist demented neo-cons were planning to invade Iraq since 1996. They tried to get Israel to do it. They finally found a willing idiot in Bush who obliged them. The very same people are agitating for a war in Iran today.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-09   10:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#4)

More Americans were killed last month in Iraq

Iraq or Afghanistan?

But i agree with what you are saying. Claiming that the surge worked is like claiming amputations cure gangrene.

war  posted on  2010-08-09   11:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#5)

Iraq or Afghanistan?

I misspoke. Highest U.S. death toll in Afghanistan. Highest total death toll in Iraq since May 2008.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-09   11:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Just another example of why Owe-bama will be fired in 2012.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-09   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Credit for what? As we get ready to leave, Iraq's turning into a bloodbath, just as predicted years ago.

Bush should be facing charges for war crimes.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-09   12:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#8)

Ouote from the Kenyan Administration:

“I am very optimistic about — about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration.”

So evidently things are going so well, that they have to steal success from Bush as they have monumentally fucked up everything they have touched.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-09   13:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#1)

Bullshit.

The surge will have "worked" when they stop the slaughter and can sit a government.

Hmmmm...that's a bold statement.

Your military background is what again?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   0:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Skip Intro (#8)

Bush should be facing charges for war crimes.

As you should for treason. But we won't make a big point about that.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   0:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#7)

ust another example of why Owe-bama will be fired in 2012.

Yeah, you keep saying that.

How much you will to bet he'll be re-elected?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   0:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#10)

Your military background is what again?

I don't need an advanced degree in astronomy to know I'm looking at stars.

war  posted on  2010-08-11   8:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#13)

I don't need an advanced degree in astronomy to know I'm looking at stars.

Oh, you have ZERO military experience? So your opinion is more qualified than Gen. Patraeus?

Yes, I know, why not submit your application to President Obama and demand you be appointed head of the JCS immediately!

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   10:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#14)

So your opinion is more qualified than Gen. Patraeus?

Putting aside the issue that Patraeus is a politiican, I've stated that where?

That asked, the surge did not work. Iraqi's are slaughtering Iraqi's still. American soldiers are dying still and Iraq STILL has no functioning government. And it's only going to devolve once we leave.

war  posted on  2010-08-11   10:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#15)

That asked, the surge did not work. Iraqi's are slaughtering Iraqi's still. American soldiers are dying still and Iraq STILL has no functioning government. And it's only going to devolve once we leave.

The number of Americans dying in Iraq is far, far, far below the numbers dying prior to the surge, General.

If it's going to devolve when we leave then we shouldn't leave.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   11:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#16)

Do you know anyone there? I do. It's because they stay in the green zone and rarely patrol and if they do it's with massive close air support and armor.

war  posted on  2010-08-11   11:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#16)

If it's going to devolve when we leave then we shouldn't leave.

We shouldn't have gone.

war  posted on  2010-08-11   11:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#17)

Do you know anyone there? I do. It's because they stay in the green zone and rarely patrol and if they do it's with massive close air support and armor.

Yes, He's in Kirkuk.

And yes, the Americans don't patrol very much as they handed off much of their work to the Iraqi Army.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   11:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#18)

We shouldn't have gone.

Irrelevant to the discussion. The point is what do we do now?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   11:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#20) (Edited)

The point is what do we do now?

Declare the surge has worked and leave.

war  posted on  2010-08-11   11:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#12)

ust another example of why Owe-bama will be fired in 2012. Yeah, you keep saying that.

How much you will to bet he'll be re-elected?

How much can you afford too lose?

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-11   13:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye (#22)

How much can you afford too lose?

Leave Liberty's flame for 3 months? As of election day?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-11   16:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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