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Title: Controversial 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light From NYC Landmarks Commission
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/controvers ... s-commission/story?id=11312791
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: AARON KATERSKY and SARAH NETTER
Post Date: 2010-08-03 12:07:28 by Brian S
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The controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction. New York landmark commission expected to reject proposal to designate building. The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission's vote rejected the landmarking of a 19th century building with its Italian Renaissance Palazzo style that most recently served as a Burlington Coat Factory. That designation would have prevented its demolition and foiled plans to build a 13-story Islamic community center that includes a prayer room. Critics have called the proposed facility a mosque and said construction so close to the site of the World Trade Center where 3,000 people died in an attack by mililtant Muslims was insensitive and an insult. "I've come to the conclusion 45-47 Park Place does not rise to the level of a city landmark," commission Chairman Robert Tierney said today. Commission members were careful to consider only the building's historical significance and not become entrenched in the heated debate over the center's proximity to Ground Zero, a sore spot for many New Yorkers that has also drawn opposition from some politicans and the Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish organization. There were a mix of supporters and opponents in the audience as the commission voted. One woman held signs reading, "Islam builds mosques at the sites of their conquests and victories" and "Don't glorify murders of 3000. No 9/11 victory mosque." Supporters wore buttons bearing the slogan, "pro Israel pro peace." New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't immediately comment on the ruling, but tweeted that he would later speak from the city's Roosevelt Island, which he called the "site of America's 1st religiously tolerant settlement." The commission's vote was one of the first major hurdles for the proposed complex, called the Cordoba Initiative, which has been met with fierce resistance from many to its construction plans. The center, which has been called everything from an insult to a "house of evil" by protestors, has already been through several approvals, including the a community financial district and an advisory board. New Yorkers told ABCNews.com that the idea of a mosque is not the problem, but the Cordoba Initiatve is just too close to the city's most painful scar and has struck many as insensitive and cruel. Robert Engel's office on Church Street, would look right into the proposed center. It's not a prospect he or many of his co-workers are looking forward to, he said. "I don't think they should do it. It's too close," Engel said. "It's a slap in the face." As Debate Rages, Another Nearby Mosque Has Operated Quietly for Years While the Cordoba's plans have become a lightning rod for politicians from Buffalo to Alaska, a blink-and-you'll-miss-it mosque a few blocks away draws worshipers instead of critics. The Web site of the Masjid Manhattan even includes a disclaimer that it is not affiliated with the Cordoba plans. "Please be advised that we are by no means affiliated with any other organization trying to build anything new in the area of downtown Manhattan." "Our members are city, state and federal employees, as well as professional employees of the financial area who come to our Masjid to perform their daily prayers," the statement continued. "Masjid Manhattan and its members condemn any type of terrorist acts." For more than an hour Monday, men wearing everything from neatly pressed suits and corporate ID cards to jeans and T-shirts came to pray at Masjid Manhattan. Three women also quietly made their way in, slipping silently into the women's section separated by two thick curtains. The mosque has operated in the neighborhood for years, moving in 2008 to its cramped basement space after their previous building was sold in 2008 and they were forced out. Engel, 36, also said that he's never had any problem with Masjid Manhattan, often passing worshippers on his way to eat in the restaurant above their prayer space.
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#42. To: Liberator (#15)
I think something was lost in the translation. I heard it first as "Kill a commie for Christ!" It wasn't the Kluxxers saying it,though. It was the fundies who were Dims. Well,to be fair,the Kluxxers were all Dims,too.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The Crusades were conducted by the Roman Catholic Church to expand their riches. Just as the vatican fristers are doing all they can to keep the US border open.
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I have no interest in rehashing this old LP argument with you. Your warped sense of history of this group as well as the Civil Rights movement, in general, gets outweighed by the fact that I have more respect for you than just about anyone on any of these boards and it's just not worth the animus. I'll give you your opinion here just to be done with it.
Why is he telling YOU this? Why doesn't he go to Mecca and tell the Sauds?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that forces a city government to sell land to ANY religion. Freedom of and FROM religion is a two-way street. The rag heads do have a right to worship their child molester and goat raper if they want,but they don't have a right to do it anywhere they want. Anymore than that loon fundie judge had to place the 10 commandments in his courtroom.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Them vatican fristers got some bad mojo, that's for sure.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion.
I think it's an absolutely abhorrent idea and I was outside last week with a like minded group expressing that opinion. Good for you! Not only is this two blocks from Ground Zero, Huh? I was under the impression they were going to build a new mosque right on the WTC site? Or are you talking about the little mosque that has been there for years? sneak, it's maybe 50 yards from where I park my car in the morning which is in the back of my building. Not so good for you. It is a matter of time before your neighborhood will be overran by them,and they will start making demands you live according to their superstitions. And I guarantee you that when they do the demolition, they are going to discover remains. Well,it IS NYC. But, as I said, the First Amendment's reach is further than any other. Not so sure about that,but I do know the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee ANY religion that they can locate their cult centers anywhere they want,or that any government,city,state,or federal,has to sell them any property or approve a zoning variance to allow them to build.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And done in the name of Christ and his alleged daddy.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I would argue that they DO when that religion has morphed into a political and criminal (according to our laws) conspiracy. BTW,regular citizens have the same exact rights are religious loons,too. For example,there was a fundie church near where I lived in Denver that started putting loud speakers in their steeple so the whole neighborhood could share in their "making a joyous noise unto the Lord". That was the basis of their defense when they were taken to court after refusing to cease and desist violating the noise ordinance. They said this was "religious speech" and they were "just doing what they were commanded to do by the Bible",but that crap didn't flush in court,and they were ruled to be putting on a public nuisance and ordered to remove the speakers and quit waking people up.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Does this mean my NY Rangers will have to sign a Moo si lum to the roster? Has the Russian Mob given up on the Rangers allready?
No it doesn't. It forbitd CONGRESS. CONGRESS shall make no law... Not talking about the states. There should be no mosques in America.
Ahh, now don't go introducing FACTS into the debate... The gubermint shills do NOT like that... LOL.
We've got more Jews than in the Jewish State of Israel. What harm can a few Mosques do?
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
It would just be better if they weren't around. Then all the muslims would leave because they would have no place to worship.
Okay, I forgot to remind you that you're an idiot.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
I'll say, that outfit you're wearing is rented.
Ethel, are you out of your mind?
No, but you are.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
I think I'll call you aka loser, since you address me that way, Goldi Jr.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
Now, don't make fun of us doughboys.
This story has a link to a google map of the area, and it does look like the "mosque" is two blocks from the WTC. This morning the Landmarks Preservation Commission is expected to deny protected status to the 152-year-old building at 45-51 Park Place that would be demolished to make way for a 500-seat performing arts center & lecture hall, culinary school, exhibition space, swimming pool, fitness gym, basketball court, restaurant, library, art studios and childcare. Oh, and also a "prayer space," commonly referred to as the Ground Zero mosque by critics who don't know how to read a map.
Would you have ever thought such a thing as that on 9/11 fred, while watching men and women jumping to their deaths from the towers....? I wonder if you could be as cruel and insensitive if one of these helpless people had been a loved one....A g-damn ISLAMIC mosque built on the site where thousands perished right before our eyes???? Whether our founders worshiped God or not, or even believed in Him, this nation was built upon Christian Values, not ISLAM, not Buddah, nor some fking witches coven....and you think nothing of allowing ISLAM a foothold in YOUR country, desecrating our most cherished and hallow grounds? The worst part of how you think fred is, you don't care enough, right or wrong, to even choose a side, it's apathy and indiffernce that's destroying this nation....we've forgotten the bonds that once held us together~ jmho~ 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light": Because there wern't enough couragious Americans left in this country with backbones and the guts to stop it!! This has got to be a most horrific heartbreak to the families, the knife they got in the back from their own government, with Bloomberg leading the way.... I'm sorry fred, I didn't mean to rant...the anger I felt then is just as fresh today as then, but it's the helplessness I feel that is the worst feeling...those who may have been responsible breeding like roaches in this country...a country they claim they hate, but will take over if they get the chance...it's no different than Mexico, they're all out to change us...and I can't stop them!
We've got more Jews than in the Jewish State of Israel. So what? What does that have to do with Muslims? We also have more buffalo and quarter horses than Israel. What harm can a few Mosques do? Ask any soldier or Marine that has been to the middle east. They are,in effect,tactical operation centers for the Islamic Jihad. Not to mention sanctuaries for jihadists hiding from the authorities AND political propaganda centers. There is no other religion that mixes religion,armed aggression,and politics in such a public manner as Islam. Hell,those things are the foundations of the religion.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The EXISTING mosque is two blocks from the WTC,but the proposed NEW mosque is supposed to be built on the site of the WTC buildings. It will be a huge mega-mosque,and as much a international statement as to the power and influence of Islam as a religious center. In other words,they are wanting to rub our noses in it,and it seems like they are going to be able to do this because they bribed the right people.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I have a idea. How about we tell these goobers they have permission to build a Mosque there when WE get permission to build churches and synagogues in Mecca? This has got to be a most horrific heartbreak to the families, the knife they got in the back from their own government, with Bloomberg leading the way... You touch on the real root of the problem,there. Bloomberg may be the mayor of NYC,but in his heart and mind he isn't an American. He is a internationalist. A "citizen of the world". His prime interest is making deals and making money,and sovereign nations get in his way. Like the others with the insulation that great wealth provides,he doesn't think any of the negative results of the things he does will ever apply to him and his family. He thinks the world government will be able to control the Muslims,and he may even be right. Don't forget that King Abdullah has Jewish business partners,and this is the dude in charge of Mecca.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Didn't finish my thought. Sorry. What I mean to include is that King Abdullah is as much a fascist internationalist as Bloomberg is,and he and his whole set may well see fundamental Islam as a tool that can be used to destabilize western governments in order to convince western citizens to accept a one-world government that can get fundamental Islam under control.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In other words,they are wanting to rub our noses in it,and it seems like they are going to be able to do this because they bribed the right people. WHAT?? Everyone knows the NYC mega-Mosque will be the Center of Peace and Love on Earth, New York City, and the Universe. "Allah Saves Souls." Just as it's always been... P.S. - KA-BOOOOM!!
The Centaur should talk.
Did Freddy actually seriously ask that question? Wow. "...those who may have been responsible breeding like roaches in this country...a country they claim they hate, but will take over if they get the chance...it's no different than Mexico, they're all out to change us..." Exactamundo.
NY State Constitution: The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed in this state to all humankind; and no person shall be rendered incompetent to be a witness on account of his or her opinions on matters of religious belief; but the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state. That said: Does East Bumblebee Ohio have the power to close down your religious shack?
BINGO. The guy is no real "American." Bloomberg (as an "Elite amongst Elites") thinks he's immune and inoculated somehow. He and his family would be one of the very first eliminated by Islam when they take over NYC.
Liar. He was born here.
Can you do us a favor an cut & paste the Tenets of Common Sense? Thanks.
You're not a "real American" either. I don't care what your birth cert says. You're an Internationalist/Globalist.
Bloomberg (as an "Elite amongst Elites") Hilarious. You get to decide who's a real American and then call someone an elitist in the next sentence. Idiot.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
"The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship...with the peace or safety of this state."
It's a mental condition
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
Yes. Now march yourself off into a Mosque along with dwarf and pray towards Mecca that Allah smites the Infidel by bomb, plane, or dull knife.
If you ***think*** religion had anything to do with that act you're admitting to being brainwashed...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhat part of "Kill the Infidel in the name of Jesus Christ" did I miss?
#43. To: sneakypete (#40)
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The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#44. To: sneakypete (#40)
(Edited)
#45. To: lucysmom (#27)
A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."
#46. To: war (#34)
If you want to gut the first amendment, feel free.
#47. To: WhiteSands (#43)
Just as the vatican fristers are doing all they can to keep the US border open.
#48. To: sneakypete (#46)
There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that forces a city government to sell land to ANY religion.
#49. To: war (#41)
#50. To: WhiteSands (#43)
The Crusades were conducted by the Roman Catholic Church to expand their riches.
#51. To: war (#48)
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion. (ac
#52. To: Brian S (#0)
#53. To: war (#48)
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)
#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)
There should be no mosques in America.
#56. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)
#58. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
#59. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#61. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#62. To: Fred Mertz (#61)
#63. To: sneakypete (#49)
Huh? I was under the impression they were going to build a new mosque right on the WTC site?
#64. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#65. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
#66. To: lucysmom (#63)
This story has a link to a google map of the area, and it does look like the "mosque" is two blocks from the WTC.
#67. To: Murron (#64)
A g-damn ISLAMIC mosque built on the site where thousands perished right before our eyes????
#68. To: murron, All (#67)
Don't forget that King Abdullah has Jewish business partners,and this is the dude in charge of Mecca.
#69. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#66)
The EXISTING mosque is two blocks from the WTC,but the proposed NEW mosque is supposed to be built on the site of the WTC buildings. It will be a huge mega-mosque,and as much a international statement as to the power and influence of Islam as a religious center.
#70. To: Fred Mertz, aka War Jr., A K A Stone (#61)
I think I'll call you aka loser, since you address me that way, Goldi Jr.
#71. To: Murron, Fred Mertz (#64)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#72. To: A K A Stone (#53)
(Edited)
No it doesn't. It forbitd CONGRESS. CONGRESS shall make no law...
#73. To: sneakypete, Murron (#67)
Bloomberg may be the mayor of NYC,but in his heart and mind he isn't an American. He is a internationalist. A "citizen of the world". His prime interest is making deals and making money,and sovereign nations get in his way. Like the others with the insulation that great wealth provides,he doesn't think any of the negative results of the things he does will ever apply to him and his family.
#74. To: Liberator (#73)
BINGO. The guy is no real "American."
#75. To: war (#72)
#76. To: war (#74)
#77. To: Liberator (#73)
The guy is no real "American."
#78. To: war (#72)
NY State Constitution:
#79. To: Murron (#64)
I didn't mean to rant...the anger I felt then is just as blah, blah, blah
#80. To: Abu el Boner (#77)
Hilarious. You get to decide who's a real American and then call someone an elitist in the next sentence.
#81. To: Liberator (#78)
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