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Title: Controversial 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light From NYC Landmarks Commission
Source: ABC NEWS
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/controvers ... s-commission/story?id=11312791
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: AARON KATERSKY and SARAH NETTER
Post Date: 2010-08-03 12:07:28 by Brian S
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Views: 74328
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The controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction. New York landmark commission expected to reject proposal to designate building.

The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission's vote rejected the landmarking of a 19th century building with its Italian Renaissance Palazzo style that most recently served as a Burlington Coat Factory. That designation would have prevented its demolition and foiled plans to build a 13-story Islamic community center that includes a prayer room.

Critics have called the proposed facility a mosque and said construction so close to the site of the World Trade Center where 3,000 people died in an attack by mililtant Muslims was insensitive and an insult.

"I've come to the conclusion 45-47 Park Place does not rise to the level of a city landmark," commission Chairman Robert Tierney said today.

Commission members were careful to consider only the building's historical significance and not become entrenched in the heated debate over the center's proximity to Ground Zero, a sore spot for many New Yorkers that has also drawn opposition from some politicans and the Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish organization.

There were a mix of supporters and opponents in the audience as the commission voted.

One woman held signs reading, "Islam builds mosques at the sites of their conquests and victories" and "Don't glorify murders of 3000. No 9/11 victory mosque."

Supporters wore buttons bearing the slogan, "pro Israel pro peace."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't immediately comment on the ruling, but tweeted that he would later speak from the city's Roosevelt Island, which he called the "site of America's 1st religiously tolerant settlement."

The commission's vote was one of the first major hurdles for the proposed complex, called the Cordoba Initiative, which has been met with fierce resistance from many to its construction plans.

The center, which has been called everything from an insult to a "house of evil" by protestors, has already been through several approvals, including the a community financial district and an advisory board.

New Yorkers told ABCNews.com that the idea of a mosque is not the problem, but the Cordoba Initiatve is just too close to the city's most painful scar and has struck many as insensitive and cruel.

Robert Engel's office on Church Street, would look right into the proposed center. It's not a prospect he or many of his co-workers are looking forward to, he said.

"I don't think they should do it. It's too close," Engel said. "It's a slap in the face."

As Debate Rages, Another Nearby Mosque Has Operated Quietly for Years

While the Cordoba's plans have become a lightning rod for politicians from Buffalo to Alaska, a blink-and-you'll-miss-it mosque a few blocks away draws worshipers instead of critics.

The Web site of the Masjid Manhattan even includes a disclaimer that it is not affiliated with the Cordoba plans.

"Please be advised that we are by no means affiliated with any other organization trying to build anything new in the area of downtown Manhattan."

"Our members are city, state and federal employees, as well as professional employees of the financial area who come to our Masjid to perform their daily prayers," the statement continued. "Masjid Manhattan and its members condemn any type of terrorist acts."

For more than an hour Monday, men wearing everything from neatly pressed suits and corporate ID cards to jeans and T-shirts came to pray at Masjid Manhattan. Three women also quietly made their way in, slipping silently into the women's section separated by two thick curtains.

The mosque has operated in the neighborhood for years, moving in 2008 to its cramped basement space after their previous building was sold in 2008 and they were forced out.

Engel, 36, also said that he's never had any problem with Masjid Manhattan, often passing worshippers on his way to eat in the restaurant above their prayer space.

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#1. To: Brian S, war (#0)

The controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction.

Maybe they could fly a symbolic plane into it in order to symbolize the historic event that made the mosque possible?

war,you must be sooo proud!

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-03   12:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

Maybe they could fly a symbolic plane into it in order to symbolize the historic event that made the mosque possible?

war,you must be sooo proud!

I really can't see how anyone can find fault with a building that represents just another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love.

Too bad they have to demolish a nice old building to do it. Such is 'progress'. Think of all of those almighty jobs. I think it will be property tax exempt though.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-03   12:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: mininggold (#2)

I think it will be property tax exempt though.

Not really. I think they paid their property taxes in advance. In cash. To the planning board.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-03   12:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3) (Edited)

Not really. I think they paid their property taxes in advance. In cash. To the planning board.

They can now pass anything off on the American public and they know it, since they got us to believe Saudis using boxcutters could commandeer planes and then invaded Afghanistan to further prove the disconnect without a whimper of disbelief from us.

BTW the Tea Ticcers mostly buy the story lock stock and barrel, and some are even having children they hope to dedicate to dying as martyrs. Hmmm I wonder where they got that idea?

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-03   12:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#1)

war,you must be sooo proud!

The First Amendment renders pride or lack thereof moot.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   12:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mininggold (#2)

I really can't see how anyone can find fault with a building that represents just another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love.

You're an absurd cartoon character.

You find "no fault" in a Mosque near the WTC, while at the same time absurdly connecting Judaism with Islam? Why aren't I surprised?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   12:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#3)

Not really.

Yes really.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   12:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mininggold (#4) (Edited)

BTW the Tea Ticcers mostly buy the story lock stock and barrel, and some are even having children they hope to dedicate to dying as martyrs. Hmmm I wonder where they got that idea?

Hey ditz - here's the thread subject:

Controversial 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light From NYC Landmarks Commission

You've managed on one thread to combine the attention span of a gnat with the brain of a flea.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   12:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#3)

I think they paid their property taxes in advance. In cash. To the planning board.

It was delivered by armored car to Swiss banks.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   12:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#6)

You find "no fault" in a Mosque near the WTC, while at the same time absurdly connecting Judaism with Islam? Why aren't I surprised?

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all branches of the same tree and claim Abraham as spiritual father.

I guess you have no objection to being held responsible for every terrorist act carried out by a Christian, KKK for example.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   13:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#10)

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all branches of the same tree and claim Abraham as spiritual father.

Loo-see, Loo-see...

Mininggold:

["Islam is] another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love."

You do know there's pure water content blended in urine and fecal matter, right?

I guess you have no objection to being held responsible for every terrorist act carried out by a Christian, KKK for example.

So you're making the equivocation between ubiquitous Islamic terror in the name of Allah, and WHAT or WHO AGAIN?? Christians and the KKK "in the name of Jesus Christ"?

What the hell is wrong with you? No, seriously? I appreciate your courtesy and civility, but you are soooo far out on the ledge of rationality and sanity, I'd be worried if I were your daughter...or Counselor. YOURS is the face (or mindset) of the Left. Distorted and warped beyond belief.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#11)

The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.

The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#11)

So you're making the equivocation between ubiquitous Islamic terror in the name of Allah, and WHAT or WHO AGAIN?? Christians and the KKK "in the name of Jesus Christ"?

Google search (I ain't going to their site)

Welcome to the Ku Klux Klan! The Knights Party, USA. Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America!

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   13:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war, lucysmom (#12)

The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.

You mean the KKK lynched blacks and burned crosses in accordance to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds?

Come on you two - stop the absurd claims. It's bullsh*t, and you know it (well, I think war knows it.)

Comparing a microscopic anomaly of Christian rogues to millions of adherents of Allah's own words and Koran is beyond ridiculous. It's garbage not really worthy of honest, intellectual discussion.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lucysmom, war (#13)

Google search (I ain't going to their site)

Welcome to the Ku Klux Klan! The Knights Party, USA. Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America!

What part of "Kill the Infidel in the name of Jesus Christ" did I miss?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#14)

You mean the KKK lynched blacks and burned crosses in accordance to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds?

The Klan is associated with acts of terrorism such as lynchings and burning of homes, and a consciously mystical and grandiose aesthetic involving wearing white robes and hoods and burning crosses. In fact, the Klan adopted Christian symbolism throughout their rituals. An account of one Klan initiation ceremony describes a Bible opened to Romans 12, telling Christians to engage in "godly conduct." The fiery cross was accompanied by a sword, representing the battle against the enemies of the Christian way, and an American flag. In a reference to baptism, new initiates were sprinkled with water to "cleanse" them of alien influences. Both the opening and closing prayers declared: "The living Christ is the Klansman's criterion of character."

www.fact-index.com/k/ku/ku_klux_klan.html

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   14:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator (#14)

From the same site

The KKK organizations hold themselves to be Protestant Christian organizations. From the early 1900s through the 1940s, hundreds of thousands of Protestants, primarily in the South, saw the KKK as a part of their faith. Millions more viewed the KKK's tactics as morally reprehensible and extreme, but nonetheless saw its members as valid Christians and generally agreed that white Protestants were inherently superior to other groups. At that time, oppressing black people, as well as Jews and Catholics, was seen by many as part of "God's plan". A much smaller number of Americans still have such views today.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   14:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#14)

Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds?

Yes. Jesus is most certainly a driving force of the KKK.

Cross burning = the light of Christian faith.

it's not a bad thing that you don't know this, btw. Having relatives in Tidewater country as a boy in the 60's tho...what an education.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#16) (Edited)

An account of one Klan initiation ceremony describes a Bible opened to Romans 12, telling Christians to engage in "godly conduct"...

ONE, anecdotal account, eh Lucy?

Get real, will ya?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#17)

"God's plan".

Didn't see "Jesus' Plan."

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#18)

Yes. Jesus is most certainly a driving force of the KKK.

You're not close.

Cross burning = the light of Christian faith.

Mere symbolism doesn't represent the word of Jesus Christ.

it's not a bad thing that you don't know this, btw. Having relatives in Tidewater country as a boy in the 60's tho...what an education.

Yeah, myths and redneck hobbies passed on by your ignorant inbred relatives musta been cool, huh?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#21) (Edited)

You're not close.

Bullshit. The KKK and Protestant Christianity are tied at the hip.

Yeah, myths and redneck hobbies passed on by your ignorant inbred relatives musta been cool, huh?

Nothing was "passed"...much was observed.

Try being 6 and hear a preacher say IN CHURCH from his pulpit, "When Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor, he knew a nigger could never be a white man's neighbor" and watch the congregation stand and applaud.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#14)

Comparing a microscopic anomaly of Christian rogues to millions of adherents of Allah's own words and Koran is beyond ridiculous. It's garbage not really worthy of honest, intellectual discussion.

Micah 4:13 "Rise and thresh, O Daughter of Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hoofs of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations." You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the LORD, their wealth to the Lord of all the earth.

You might want to read this article:

www.boston.com/bostonglob...2009/03/08/dark_passages/

But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with "texts of terror," to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted. One cherished psalm (137) begins with the lovely line, "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept"; it ends by blessing anyone who would seize Babylon's infants and smash their skulls against the rocks.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   14:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#12)

The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.

& your jihaddi friends are in the midst of their third conquest of Europe and first of the western hemisphere in the names of Mohamamd, Allah, Barrack Hussein Obama, Louis Farrakhan, & Jerimiah Wright.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-08-03   14:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#23)

You might want to read this article:

www.boston.com/bostonglob...2009/03/08/dark_passages/

But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong.

Why would I want to read blatant propaganda and lies that you obvious swallow whole and sideways? My God - the inanity and mushy-minds of some people (like you) of anything they read astonishes me. You are so open and susceptible to the power of suggestion, you're a menace to truth.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#22)

The KKK and Protestant Christianity are tied at the hip.

I CAN see how the criminally insane and commies are tied at the pelvis.

Try being 6 and hear a preacher say IN CHURCH from his pulpit, "When Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor, he knew a nigger could never be a white man's neighbor" and watch the congregation stand and applaud.

That's not nearly true "Christianity," or Scriptural. But it's not analogous to "KILL THE INFIDEL" either, is it?

Btw, some Black Protestant Churches are basically agreeing on a similar racial sentiment and hatred about whites here in the year 2010; I doubt very much that those white Protestant churches and pastors from 1960 are concurring with the same sentiment as then.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Liberator (#25)

You are so open and susceptible to the power of suggestion, you're a menace to truth.

You obviously have made up your mind and have no interest in truth.

A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."

The difference between you and him is that he recognizes wackos exist everywhere and doesn't judge an entire religion by the minority of wackos using their religion to justify their crazy acts.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   14:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lucysmom (#27)

You obviously have made up your mind and have no interest in truth.

Welcome to LibbyVille...

war  posted on  2010-08-03   15:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#28)

A dark and dangerous place.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   15:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom, ALL (#27)

A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."

Chyeah - Muslim's the "Religion of Peace." I almost forgot "KILL THE INFIDEL" = "LOVE THE INFIDEL" in code.

The difference between you and him is that he recognizes wackos exist everywhere and doesn't judge an entire religion by the minority of wackos using their religion to justify their crazy acts.

(eyeballs rolling at 10,000 RPMs in their sockets.)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   15:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#29)

A dark and dangerous place.

Chyea...

war  posted on  2010-08-03   15:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lucysmom, war (#29)

A dark and dangerous place.

Yeah, almost as "dark and dangerous" a place as the bowels of the World Trade Center on 9/11. Or for Christians in the Sudan. OR on any Saudi street while wearing a crucifix. Or any Muslim dominated land, city, or neighborhood.

You and war oughta get a room. At the Ramada Inn in Detroit.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   15:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#32)

At the Ramada Inn in Detroit.

I prefer the Hyatt there, thanks.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   15:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator (#32) (Edited)

If you want to gut the first amendment, feel free.

Watch it, tho...there's more agnostics than you ***think***.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   15:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#32)

Or any Muslim dominated land, city, or neighborhood.

I have always been treated well by Muslims I've had contact with. That isn't to say that there aren't wacko Muslims, just that I haven't met them.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   18:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#27)

A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."

Be careful they are known to lie. It is considered a virtue to them. Also look out for your nose. He might want to cut it off someday.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-03   18:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

Be careful they are known to lie.

OH NO!!!

That's certainly a concept foreign to Americans.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-03   19:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#4) (Edited)

they got us to believe Saudis using boxcutters could commandeer planes

They DID use boxcutters to hijack airplanes. Cutting the throat of a stewardess in front of the passengers has a way of getting their attention. Most have only see fake violence on tv,and the reality is a shocker.

Having said that,what they did was a one-time thing. The next time this is tried every passenger on the airplane is going to rush them and try to beat them to death. People now understand that if they just sit there like sheeple they will die,so they have nothing to lose.

But,.....believe what you want.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-03   21:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: war (#5)

war,you must be sooo proud!

The First Amendment renders pride or lack thereof moot.

He bobs,he weaves,he avoids expressing a opinion!

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-03   21:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#12)

The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.

Onward Christian soldiers! Kill for the Pope!

The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.

The modern KKK did their dirty deeds in the name of the Dim Party and the FBI.

Then again,I guess Bobby Kennedy WAS the equivalent of Jesus to you.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-08-03   21:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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