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Title: Controversial 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light From NYC Landmarks Commission
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/controvers ... s-commission/story?id=11312791
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: AARON KATERSKY and SARAH NETTER
Post Date: 2010-08-03 12:07:28 by Brian S
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The controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction. New York landmark commission expected to reject proposal to designate building. The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission's vote rejected the landmarking of a 19th century building with its Italian Renaissance Palazzo style that most recently served as a Burlington Coat Factory. That designation would have prevented its demolition and foiled plans to build a 13-story Islamic community center that includes a prayer room. Critics have called the proposed facility a mosque and said construction so close to the site of the World Trade Center where 3,000 people died in an attack by mililtant Muslims was insensitive and an insult. "I've come to the conclusion 45-47 Park Place does not rise to the level of a city landmark," commission Chairman Robert Tierney said today. Commission members were careful to consider only the building's historical significance and not become entrenched in the heated debate over the center's proximity to Ground Zero, a sore spot for many New Yorkers that has also drawn opposition from some politicans and the Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish organization. There were a mix of supporters and opponents in the audience as the commission voted. One woman held signs reading, "Islam builds mosques at the sites of their conquests and victories" and "Don't glorify murders of 3000. No 9/11 victory mosque." Supporters wore buttons bearing the slogan, "pro Israel pro peace." New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't immediately comment on the ruling, but tweeted that he would later speak from the city's Roosevelt Island, which he called the "site of America's 1st religiously tolerant settlement." The commission's vote was one of the first major hurdles for the proposed complex, called the Cordoba Initiative, which has been met with fierce resistance from many to its construction plans. The center, which has been called everything from an insult to a "house of evil" by protestors, has already been through several approvals, including the a community financial district and an advisory board. New Yorkers told ABCNews.com that the idea of a mosque is not the problem, but the Cordoba Initiatve is just too close to the city's most painful scar and has struck many as insensitive and cruel. Robert Engel's office on Church Street, would look right into the proposed center. It's not a prospect he or many of his co-workers are looking forward to, he said. "I don't think they should do it. It's too close," Engel said. "It's a slap in the face." As Debate Rages, Another Nearby Mosque Has Operated Quietly for Years While the Cordoba's plans have become a lightning rod for politicians from Buffalo to Alaska, a blink-and-you'll-miss-it mosque a few blocks away draws worshipers instead of critics. The Web site of the Masjid Manhattan even includes a disclaimer that it is not affiliated with the Cordoba plans. "Please be advised that we are by no means affiliated with any other organization trying to build anything new in the area of downtown Manhattan." "Our members are city, state and federal employees, as well as professional employees of the financial area who come to our Masjid to perform their daily prayers," the statement continued. "Masjid Manhattan and its members condemn any type of terrorist acts." For more than an hour Monday, men wearing everything from neatly pressed suits and corporate ID cards to jeans and T-shirts came to pray at Masjid Manhattan. Three women also quietly made their way in, slipping silently into the women's section separated by two thick curtains. The mosque has operated in the neighborhood for years, moving in 2008 to its cramped basement space after their previous building was sold in 2008 and they were forced out. Engel, 36, also said that he's never had any problem with Masjid Manhattan, often passing worshippers on his way to eat in the restaurant above their prayer space.
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#1. To: Brian S, war (#0)
Maybe they could fly a symbolic plane into it in order to symbolize the historic event that made the mosque possible? war,you must be sooo proud!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
war,you must be sooo proud! I really can't see how anyone can find fault with a building that represents just another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love. Too bad they have to demolish a nice old building to do it. Such is 'progress'. Think of all of those almighty jobs. I think it will be property tax exempt though.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Not really. I think they paid their property taxes in advance. In cash. To the planning board.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They can now pass anything off on the American public and they know it, since they got us to believe Saudis using boxcutters could commandeer planes and then invaded Afghanistan to further prove the disconnect without a whimper of disbelief from us. BTW the Tea Ticcers mostly buy the story lock stock and barrel, and some are even having children they hope to dedicate to dying as martyrs. Hmmm I wonder where they got that idea?
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
The First Amendment renders pride or lack thereof moot.
You're an absurd cartoon character. You find "no fault" in a Mosque near the WTC, while at the same time absurdly connecting Judaism with Islam? Why aren't I surprised?
Yes really.
Hey ditz - here's the thread subject: Controversial 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light From NYC Landmarks Commission You've managed on one thread to combine the attention span of a gnat with the brain of a flea.
It was delivered by armored car to Swiss banks.
Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all branches of the same tree and claim Abraham as spiritual father. I guess you have no objection to being held responsible for every terrorist act carried out by a Christian, KKK for example.
Loo-see, Loo-see... Mininggold: ["Islam is] another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love." You do know there's pure water content blended in urine and fecal matter, right? I guess you have no objection to being held responsible for every terrorist act carried out by a Christian, KKK for example. So you're making the equivocation between ubiquitous Islamic terror in the name of Allah, and WHAT or WHO AGAIN?? Christians and the KKK "in the name of Jesus Christ"? What the hell is wrong with you? No, seriously? I appreciate your courtesy and civility, but you are soooo far out on the ledge of rationality and sanity, I'd be worried if I were your daughter...or Counselor. YOURS is the face (or mindset) of the Left. Distorted and warped beyond belief.
The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ. The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.
Google search (I ain't going to their site) Welcome to the Ku Klux Klan! The Knights Party, USA. Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America!
You mean the KKK lynched blacks and burned crosses in accordance to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds? Come on you two - stop the absurd claims. It's bullsh*t, and you know it (well, I think war knows it.) Comparing a microscopic anomaly of Christian rogues to millions of adherents of Allah's own words and Koran is beyond ridiculous. It's garbage not really worthy of honest, intellectual discussion.
Welcome to the Ku Klux Klan! The Knights Party, USA. Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! What part of "Kill the Infidel in the name of Jesus Christ" did I miss?
The Klan is associated with acts of terrorism such as lynchings and burning of homes, and a consciously mystical and grandiose aesthetic involving wearing white robes and hoods and burning crosses. In fact, the Klan adopted Christian symbolism throughout their rituals. An account of one Klan initiation ceremony describes a Bible opened to Romans 12, telling Christians to engage in "godly conduct." The fiery cross was accompanied by a sword, representing the battle against the enemies of the Christian way, and an American flag. In a reference to baptism, new initiates were sprinkled with water to "cleanse" them of alien influences. Both the opening and closing prayers declared: "The living Christ is the Klansman's criterion of character."
From the same site The KKK organizations hold themselves to be Protestant Christian organizations. From the early 1900s through the 1940s, hundreds of thousands of Protestants, primarily in the South, saw the KKK as a part of their faith. Millions more viewed the KKK's tactics as morally reprehensible and extreme, but nonetheless saw its members as valid Christians and generally agreed that white Protestants were inherently superior to other groups. At that time, oppressing black people, as well as Jews and Catholics, was seen by many as part of "God's plan". A much smaller number of Americans still have such views today.
Yes. Jesus is most certainly a driving force of the KKK. Cross burning = the light of Christian faith. it's not a bad thing that you don't know this, btw. Having relatives in Tidewater country as a boy in the 60's tho...what an education.
ONE, anecdotal account, eh Lucy? Get real, will ya?
Didn't see "Jesus' Plan."
You're not close. Cross burning = the light of Christian faith. Mere symbolism doesn't represent the word of Jesus Christ. it's not a bad thing that you don't know this, btw. Having relatives in Tidewater country as a boy in the 60's tho...what an education. Yeah, myths and redneck hobbies passed on by your ignorant inbred relatives musta been cool, huh?
Bullshit. The KKK and Protestant Christianity are tied at the hip. Yeah, myths and redneck hobbies passed on by your ignorant inbred relatives musta been cool, huh? Nothing was "passed"...much was observed. Try being 6 and hear a preacher say IN CHURCH from his pulpit, "When Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor, he knew a nigger could never be a white man's neighbor" and watch the congregation stand and applaud.
Micah 4:13 "Rise and thresh, O Daughter of Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hoofs of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations." You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the LORD, their wealth to the Lord of all the earth. You might want to read this article: www.boston.com/bostonglob...2009/03/08/dark_passages/ But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with "texts of terror," to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted. One cherished psalm (137) begins with the lovely line, "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept"; it ends by blessing anyone who would seize Babylon's infants and smash their skulls against the rocks.
& your jihaddi friends are in the midst of their third conquest of Europe and first of the western hemisphere in the names of Mohamamd, Allah, Barrack Hussein Obama, Louis Farrakhan, & Jerimiah Wright.
www.boston.com/bostonglob...2009/03/08/dark_passages/ But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. Why would I want to read blatant propaganda and lies that you obvious swallow whole and sideways? My God - the inanity and mushy-minds of some people (like you) of anything they read astonishes me. You are so open and susceptible to the power of suggestion, you're a menace to truth.
I CAN see how the criminally insane and commies are tied at the pelvis. Try being 6 and hear a preacher say IN CHURCH from his pulpit, "When Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor, he knew a nigger could never be a white man's neighbor" and watch the congregation stand and applaud. That's not nearly true "Christianity," or Scriptural. But it's not analogous to "KILL THE INFIDEL" either, is it? Btw, some Black Protestant Churches are basically agreeing on a similar racial sentiment and hatred about whites here in the year 2010; I doubt very much that those white Protestant churches and pastors from 1960 are concurring with the same sentiment as then.
You obviously have made up your mind and have no interest in truth. A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that." The difference between you and him is that he recognizes wackos exist everywhere and doesn't judge an entire religion by the minority of wackos using their religion to justify their crazy acts.
Welcome to LibbyVille...
A dark and dangerous place.
Chyeah - Muslim's the "Religion of Peace." I almost forgot "KILL THE INFIDEL" = "LOVE THE INFIDEL" in code. The difference between you and him is that he recognizes wackos exist everywhere and doesn't judge an entire religion by the minority of wackos using their religion to justify their crazy acts. (eyeballs rolling at 10,000 RPMs in their sockets.)
Chyea...
Yeah, almost as "dark and dangerous" a place as the bowels of the World Trade Center on 9/11. Or for Christians in the Sudan. OR on any Saudi street while wearing a crucifix. Or any Muslim dominated land, city, or neighborhood. You and war oughta get a room. At the Ramada Inn in Detroit.
I prefer the Hyatt there, thanks.
If you want to gut the first amendment, feel free. Watch it, tho...there's more agnostics than you ***think***.
I have always been treated well by Muslims I've had contact with. That isn't to say that there aren't wacko Muslims, just that I haven't met them.
Be careful they are known to lie. It is considered a virtue to them. Also look out for your nose. He might want to cut it off someday.
OH NO!!! That's certainly a concept foreign to Americans.
They DID use boxcutters to hijack airplanes. Cutting the throat of a stewardess in front of the passengers has a way of getting their attention. Most have only see fake violence on tv,and the reality is a shocker. Having said that,what they did was a one-time thing. The next time this is tried every passenger on the airplane is going to rush them and try to beat them to death. People now understand that if they just sit there like sheeple they will die,so they have nothing to lose. But,.....believe what you want.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The First Amendment renders pride or lack thereof moot. He bobs,he weaves,he avoids expressing a opinion!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Onward Christian soldiers! Kill for the Pope! The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ. The modern KKK did their dirty deeds in the name of the Dim Party and the FBI. Then again,I guess Bobby Kennedy WAS the equivalent of Jesus to you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I think it's an absolutely abhorrent idea and I was outside last week with a like minded group expressing that opinion. Not only is this two blocks from Ground Zero, sneak, it's maybe 50 yards from where I park my car in the morning which is in the back of my building. And I guarantee you that when they do the demolition, they are going to discover remains. But, as I said, the First Amendment's reach is further than any other.
I think something was lost in the translation. I heard it first as "Kill a commie for Christ!" It wasn't the Kluxxers saying it,though. It was the fundies who were Dims. Well,to be fair,the Kluxxers were all Dims,too.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The Crusades were conducted by the Roman Catholic Church to expand their riches. Just as the vatican fristers are doing all they can to keep the US border open.
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I have no interest in rehashing this old LP argument with you. Your warped sense of history of this group as well as the Civil Rights movement, in general, gets outweighed by the fact that I have more respect for you than just about anyone on any of these boards and it's just not worth the animus. I'll give you your opinion here just to be done with it.
Why is he telling YOU this? Why doesn't he go to Mecca and tell the Sauds?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that forces a city government to sell land to ANY religion. Freedom of and FROM religion is a two-way street. The rag heads do have a right to worship their child molester and goat raper if they want,but they don't have a right to do it anywhere they want. Anymore than that loon fundie judge had to place the 10 commandments in his courtroom.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Them vatican fristers got some bad mojo, that's for sure.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion.
I think it's an absolutely abhorrent idea and I was outside last week with a like minded group expressing that opinion. Good for you! Not only is this two blocks from Ground Zero, Huh? I was under the impression they were going to build a new mosque right on the WTC site? Or are you talking about the little mosque that has been there for years? sneak, it's maybe 50 yards from where I park my car in the morning which is in the back of my building. Not so good for you. It is a matter of time before your neighborhood will be overran by them,and they will start making demands you live according to their superstitions. And I guarantee you that when they do the demolition, they are going to discover remains. Well,it IS NYC. But, as I said, the First Amendment's reach is further than any other. Not so sure about that,but I do know the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee ANY religion that they can locate their cult centers anywhere they want,or that any government,city,state,or federal,has to sell them any property or approve a zoning variance to allow them to build.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And done in the name of Christ and his alleged daddy.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I would argue that they DO when that religion has morphed into a political and criminal (according to our laws) conspiracy. BTW,regular citizens have the same exact rights are religious loons,too. For example,there was a fundie church near where I lived in Denver that started putting loud speakers in their steeple so the whole neighborhood could share in their "making a joyous noise unto the Lord". That was the basis of their defense when they were taken to court after refusing to cease and desist violating the noise ordinance. They said this was "religious speech" and they were "just doing what they were commanded to do by the Bible",but that crap didn't flush in court,and they were ruled to be putting on a public nuisance and ordered to remove the speakers and quit waking people up.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Does this mean my NY Rangers will have to sign a Moo si lum to the roster? Has the Russian Mob given up on the Rangers allready?
No it doesn't. It forbitd CONGRESS. CONGRESS shall make no law... Not talking about the states. There should be no mosques in America.
Ahh, now don't go introducing FACTS into the debate... The gubermint shills do NOT like that... LOL.
We've got more Jews than in the Jewish State of Israel. What harm can a few Mosques do?
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
It would just be better if they weren't around. Then all the muslims would leave because they would have no place to worship.
Okay, I forgot to remind you that you're an idiot.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
I'll say, that outfit you're wearing is rented.
Ethel, are you out of your mind?
No, but you are.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
I think I'll call you aka loser, since you address me that way, Goldi Jr.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
Now, don't make fun of us doughboys.
This story has a link to a google map of the area, and it does look like the "mosque" is two blocks from the WTC. This morning the Landmarks Preservation Commission is expected to deny protected status to the 152-year-old building at 45-51 Park Place that would be demolished to make way for a 500-seat performing arts center & lecture hall, culinary school, exhibition space, swimming pool, fitness gym, basketball court, restaurant, library, art studios and childcare. Oh, and also a "prayer space," commonly referred to as the Ground Zero mosque by critics who don't know how to read a map.
Would you have ever thought such a thing as that on 9/11 fred, while watching men and women jumping to their deaths from the towers....? I wonder if you could be as cruel and insensitive if one of these helpless people had been a loved one....A g-damn ISLAMIC mosque built on the site where thousands perished right before our eyes???? Whether our founders worshiped God or not, or even believed in Him, this nation was built upon Christian Values, not ISLAM, not Buddah, nor some fking witches coven....and you think nothing of allowing ISLAM a foothold in YOUR country, desecrating our most cherished and hallow grounds? The worst part of how you think fred is, you don't care enough, right or wrong, to even choose a side, it's apathy and indiffernce that's destroying this nation....we've forgotten the bonds that once held us together~ jmho~ 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light": Because there wern't enough couragious Americans left in this country with backbones and the guts to stop it!! This has got to be a most horrific heartbreak to the families, the knife they got in the back from their own government, with Bloomberg leading the way.... I'm sorry fred, I didn't mean to rant...the anger I felt then is just as fresh today as then, but it's the helplessness I feel that is the worst feeling...those who may have been responsible breeding like roaches in this country...a country they claim they hate, but will take over if they get the chance...it's no different than Mexico, they're all out to change us...and I can't stop them!
We've got more Jews than in the Jewish State of Israel. So what? What does that have to do with Muslims? We also have more buffalo and quarter horses than Israel. What harm can a few Mosques do? Ask any soldier or Marine that has been to the middle east. They are,in effect,tactical operation centers for the Islamic Jihad. Not to mention sanctuaries for jihadists hiding from the authorities AND political propaganda centers. There is no other religion that mixes religion,armed aggression,and politics in such a public manner as Islam. Hell,those things are the foundations of the religion.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The EXISTING mosque is two blocks from the WTC,but the proposed NEW mosque is supposed to be built on the site of the WTC buildings. It will be a huge mega-mosque,and as much a international statement as to the power and influence of Islam as a religious center. In other words,they are wanting to rub our noses in it,and it seems like they are going to be able to do this because they bribed the right people.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I have a idea. How about we tell these goobers they have permission to build a Mosque there when WE get permission to build churches and synagogues in Mecca? This has got to be a most horrific heartbreak to the families, the knife they got in the back from their own government, with Bloomberg leading the way... You touch on the real root of the problem,there. Bloomberg may be the mayor of NYC,but in his heart and mind he isn't an American. He is a internationalist. A "citizen of the world". His prime interest is making deals and making money,and sovereign nations get in his way. Like the others with the insulation that great wealth provides,he doesn't think any of the negative results of the things he does will ever apply to him and his family. He thinks the world government will be able to control the Muslims,and he may even be right. Don't forget that King Abdullah has Jewish business partners,and this is the dude in charge of Mecca.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Didn't finish my thought. Sorry. What I mean to include is that King Abdullah is as much a fascist internationalist as Bloomberg is,and he and his whole set may well see fundamental Islam as a tool that can be used to destabilize western governments in order to convince western citizens to accept a one-world government that can get fundamental Islam under control.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In other words,they are wanting to rub our noses in it,and it seems like they are going to be able to do this because they bribed the right people. WHAT?? Everyone knows the NYC mega-Mosque will be the Center of Peace and Love on Earth, New York City, and the Universe. "Allah Saves Souls." Just as it's always been... P.S. - KA-BOOOOM!!
The Centaur should talk.
Did Freddy actually seriously ask that question? Wow. "...those who may have been responsible breeding like roaches in this country...a country they claim they hate, but will take over if they get the chance...it's no different than Mexico, they're all out to change us..." Exactamundo.
NY State Constitution: The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed in this state to all humankind; and no person shall be rendered incompetent to be a witness on account of his or her opinions on matters of religious belief; but the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state. That said: Does East Bumblebee Ohio have the power to close down your religious shack?
BINGO. The guy is no real "American." Bloomberg (as an "Elite amongst Elites") thinks he's immune and inoculated somehow. He and his family would be one of the very first eliminated by Islam when they take over NYC.
Liar. He was born here.
Can you do us a favor an cut & paste the Tenets of Common Sense? Thanks.
You're not a "real American" either. I don't care what your birth cert says. You're an Internationalist/Globalist.
Bloomberg (as an "Elite amongst Elites") Hilarious. You get to decide who's a real American and then call someone an elitist in the next sentence. Idiot.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
"The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship...with the peace or safety of this state."
It's a mental condition
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
Yes. Now march yourself off into a Mosque along with dwarf and pray towards Mecca that Allah smites the Infidel by bomb, plane, or dull knife.
If you ***think*** religion had anything to do with that act you're admitting to being brainwashed...
That is not true. We don't even know if he is 35 yet. You would need a birth certificate to prove that. That must be your religion.
That isn't the first amendment. My point holds.
You can't possibly be that fucking stupid. Religion and ignorance (I know I am repeating myself) had EVERYTHING to do with the motives of the actors. Granted,greed and power were the motives of the sheepherders that sent the sheep out to die,but greed and power are two of the cornerstones of all religions. Ignorance and superstition are the other two.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I already know that you're brainwashed. Religion was the excuse. Greed and power was the motive.
NY was the back up. Any power that any commission may have to grant or deny anything is created legislatively. Legislatures may not create laws that are in conflict with the US Constitution.
Yeah,causen greed and the lust for power have nothing to with religions,right? And *I* am the one who is brainwashed?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
A prohibition against congress is not a prohibitoin against states. Remember CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW... CONGRESS CONGRESS Does Congress have a meaning? It does. THEY SHALL MAKE NO LAW.
The intent of the first amendment is not to empower states to do what the federal government can not.
Islam is the Religion of Peace. I can see no reason why the tolerant and open-minded multicultural Saudis wouldn't allow this. I nominate war as Church Building Project Manager in Mecca.
You can't possibly be that fucking stupid. Religion and ignorance (I know I am repeating myself) had EVERYTHING to do with the motives of the actors. Holy sh*t. No, Islam hadn't ANY-effin thing to do with 9/11. P.S. Hijackers: "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!"
Three views from the same point at the SE corner of Park Place and West Broadway:
Ok,so you never see the sun or get to breathe fresh air. This explains some of your problems,and I will try to take this in consideration in the future. Ever consider taking a long vacation and going to America?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I go walk about noonish and get some good sun but there will never again be fresh air down here.
As per?
Then I don't know what you're talking about. From the posted article: "I've come to the conclusion 45-47 Park Place does not rise to the level of a city landmark," commission Chairman Robert Tierney said today. If you look on the map, that address is two blocks away from the WTC. In addition, they are not proposing a "mega mosque" but a community center modeled after the YMCA and Jewish community centers. I am not Jewish but do belong to a Jewish community center along with blacks, Indians, Asians, and who knows what else (nobody asks).
As per? It was on the Flight 93 tapes.
Uh-huh.
Do they have "Women Only" swims?
Now that I'm old and not so gorgeous, I wish they did.
The JCC's here all do...men only times and women only times...
We have better weather, but your part of the country has better pool rules!
Chuckles...
The controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction.
#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
Maybe they could fly a symbolic plane into it in order to symbolize the historic event that made the mosque possible?
#3. To: mininggold (#2)
I think it will be property tax exempt though.
#4. To: sneakypete (#3)
(Edited)
Not really. I think they paid their property taxes in advance. In cash. To the planning board.
#5. To: sneakypete (#1)
war,you must be sooo proud!
#6. To: mininggold (#2)
I really can't see how anyone can find fault with a building that represents just another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love.
#7. To: sneakypete (#3)
Not really.
#8. To: mininggold (#4)
(Edited)
BTW the Tea Ticcers mostly buy the story lock stock and barrel, and some are even having children they hope to dedicate to dying as martyrs. Hmmm I wonder where they got that idea?
#9. To: sneakypete (#3)
I think they paid their property taxes in advance. In cash. To the planning board.
#10. To: Liberator (#6)
You find "no fault" in a Mosque near the WTC, while at the same time absurdly connecting Judaism with Islam? Why aren't I surprised?
#11. To: lucysmom (#10)
Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all branches of the same tree and claim Abraham as spiritual father.
#12. To: Liberator (#11)
#13. To: Liberator (#11)
So you're making the equivocation between ubiquitous Islamic terror in the name of Allah, and WHAT or WHO AGAIN?? Christians and the KKK "in the name of Jesus Christ"?
#14. To: war, lucysmom (#12)
The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.
#15. To: lucysmom, war (#13)
Google search (I ain't going to their site)
#16. To: Liberator (#14)
You mean the KKK lynched blacks and burned crosses in accordance to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds?
#17. To: Liberator (#14)
#18. To: Liberator (#14)
Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds?
#19. To: lucysmom (#16)
(Edited)
An account of one Klan initiation ceremony describes a Bible opened to Romans 12, telling Christians to engage in "godly conduct"...
#20. To: lucysmom (#17)
"God's plan".
#21. To: war (#18)
Yes. Jesus is most certainly a driving force of the KKK.
#22. To: Liberator (#21)
(Edited)
You're not close.
#23. To: Liberator (#14)
Comparing a microscopic anomaly of Christian rogues to millions of adherents of Allah's own words and Koran is beyond ridiculous. It's garbage not really worthy of honest, intellectual discussion.
#24. To: war (#12)
The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.
#25. To: lucysmom (#23)
You might want to read this article:
#26. To: war (#22)
The KKK and Protestant Christianity are tied at the hip.
#27. To: Liberator (#25)
You are so open and susceptible to the power of suggestion, you're a menace to truth.
#28. To: lucysmom (#27)
You obviously have made up your mind and have no interest in truth.
#29. To: war (#28)
#30. To: lucysmom, ALL (#27)
A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."
#31. To: lucysmom (#29)
A dark and dangerous place.
#32. To: lucysmom, war (#29)
A dark and dangerous place.
#33. To: Liberator (#32)
At the Ramada Inn in Detroit.
#34. To: Liberator (#32)
(Edited)
#35. To: Liberator (#32)
Or any Muslim dominated land, city, or neighborhood.
#36. To: lucysmom (#27)
A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Be careful they are known to lie.
#38. To: mininggold (#4)
(Edited)
they got us to believe Saudis using boxcutters could commandeer planes
#39. To: war (#5)
war,you must be sooo proud!
#40. To: war (#12)
The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.
#41. To: sneakypete (#39)
#42. To: Liberator (#15)
What part of "Kill the Infidel in the name of Jesus Christ" did I miss?
#43. To: sneakypete (#40)
(Edited)
The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ.
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#44. To: sneakypete (#40)
(Edited)
#45. To: lucysmom (#27)
A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that."
#46. To: war (#34)
If you want to gut the first amendment, feel free.
#47. To: WhiteSands (#43)
Just as the vatican fristers are doing all they can to keep the US border open.
#48. To: sneakypete (#46)
There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that forces a city government to sell land to ANY religion.
#49. To: war (#41)
#50. To: WhiteSands (#43)
The Crusades were conducted by the Roman Catholic Church to expand their riches.
#51. To: war (#48)
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion. (ac
#52. To: Brian S (#0)
#53. To: war (#48)
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)
#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)
There should be no mosques in America.
#56. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)
#58. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
#59. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#61. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#62. To: Fred Mertz (#61)
#63. To: sneakypete (#49)
Huh? I was under the impression they were going to build a new mosque right on the WTC site?
#64. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#65. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
#66. To: lucysmom (#63)
This story has a link to a google map of the area, and it does look like the "mosque" is two blocks from the WTC.
#67. To: Murron (#64)
A g-damn ISLAMIC mosque built on the site where thousands perished right before our eyes????
#68. To: murron, All (#67)
Don't forget that King Abdullah has Jewish business partners,and this is the dude in charge of Mecca.
#69. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#66)
The EXISTING mosque is two blocks from the WTC,but the proposed NEW mosque is supposed to be built on the site of the WTC buildings. It will be a huge mega-mosque,and as much a international statement as to the power and influence of Islam as a religious center.
#70. To: Fred Mertz, aka War Jr., A K A Stone (#61)
I think I'll call you aka loser, since you address me that way, Goldi Jr.
#71. To: Murron, Fred Mertz (#64)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#72. To: A K A Stone (#53)
(Edited)
No it doesn't. It forbitd CONGRESS. CONGRESS shall make no law...
#73. To: sneakypete, Murron (#67)
Bloomberg may be the mayor of NYC,but in his heart and mind he isn't an American. He is a internationalist. A "citizen of the world". His prime interest is making deals and making money,and sovereign nations get in his way. Like the others with the insulation that great wealth provides,he doesn't think any of the negative results of the things he does will ever apply to him and his family.
#74. To: Liberator (#73)
BINGO. The guy is no real "American."
#75. To: war (#72)
#76. To: war (#74)
#77. To: Liberator (#73)
The guy is no real "American."
#78. To: war (#72)
NY State Constitution:
#79. To: Murron (#64)
I didn't mean to rant...the anger I felt then is just as blah, blah, blah
#80. To: Abu el Boner (#77)
Hilarious. You get to decide who's a real American and then call someone an elitist in the next sentence.
#81. To: Liberator (#78)
#82. To: war (#74)
Liar. He was born here.
#83. To: war (#72)
NY State Constitution:
#84. To: war (#81)
If you ***think*** religion had anything to do with that act you're admitting to being brainwashed...
#85. To: sneakypete (#84)
You can't possibly be that fucking stupid. Religion and ignorance (I know I am repeating myself) had EVERYTHING to do with the motives of the actors.
#86. To: A K A Stone (#83)
That isn't the first amendment. My point holds.
#87. To: war (#85)
Religion was the excuse. Greed and power was the motive.
#88. To: war (#86)
Legislatures may not create laws that are in conflict with the US Constitution.
#89. To: A K A Stone (#88)
A prohibition against congress is not a prohibitoin [sic] against states.
#90. To: sneakypete, war (#67)
I have a idea. How about we tell these goobers they have permission to build a Mosque there when WE get permission to build churches and synagogues in Mecca?
#91. To: sneakypete, war (#84)
If you ***think*** religion had anything to do with that act [say it, war: "9/11"] you're admitting to being brainwashed...
#92. To: sneakypete (#49)
(Edited)
Huh? I was under the impression they were going to build a new mosque right on the WTC site? Or are you talking about the little mosque that has been there for years?
The proposed Mosque site [building with single arched window] 
Rear of my building 
Ground Zero in distance [building in middle is on other side of GZ and construction site to right is where Fiterman Hall used to be]
#93. To: war (#92)
#94. To: sneakypete (#93)
#95. To: Liberator (#91)
P.S. Hijackers: "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!"
#96. To: sneakypete (#66)
The EXISTING mosque is two blocks from the WTC,but the proposed NEW mosque is supposed to be built on the site of the WTC buildings. It will be a huge mega-mosque,and as much a international statement as to the power and influence of Islam as a religious center.
#97. To: war (#95)
P.S. Hijackers: "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!"
#98. To: no gnu taxes (#97)
It was on the Flight 93 tapes.
#99. To: lucysmom (#96)
In addition, they are not proposing a "mega mosque" but a community center modeled after the YMCA and Jewish community centers. I am not Jewish but do belong to a Jewish community center along with blacks, Indians, Asians, and who knows what else (nobody asks).
#100. To: war (#99)
Do they have "Women Only" swims?
#101. To: lucysmom (#100)
#102. To: war (#101)
#103. To: lucysmom (#102)
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