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Title: Controversial 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light From NYC Landmarks Commission
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ABC NEWS
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/controvers ... s-commission/story?id=11312791
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: AARON KATERSKY and SARAH NETTER
Post Date: 2010-08-03 12:07:28 by Brian S
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Views: 74149
Comments: 103
The controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction. New York landmark commission expected to reject proposal to designate building. The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission's vote rejected the landmarking of a 19th century building with its Italian Renaissance Palazzo style that most recently served as a Burlington Coat Factory. That designation would have prevented its demolition and foiled plans to build a 13-story Islamic community center that includes a prayer room. Critics have called the proposed facility a mosque and said construction so close to the site of the World Trade Center where 3,000 people died in an attack by mililtant Muslims was insensitive and an insult. "I've come to the conclusion 45-47 Park Place does not rise to the level of a city landmark," commission Chairman Robert Tierney said today. Commission members were careful to consider only the building's historical significance and not become entrenched in the heated debate over the center's proximity to Ground Zero, a sore spot for many New Yorkers that has also drawn opposition from some politicans and the Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish organization. There were a mix of supporters and opponents in the audience as the commission voted. One woman held signs reading, "Islam builds mosques at the sites of their conquests and victories" and "Don't glorify murders of 3000. No 9/11 victory mosque." Supporters wore buttons bearing the slogan, "pro Israel pro peace." New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't immediately comment on the ruling, but tweeted that he would later speak from the city's Roosevelt Island, which he called the "site of America's 1st religiously tolerant settlement." The commission's vote was one of the first major hurdles for the proposed complex, called the Cordoba Initiative, which has been met with fierce resistance from many to its construction plans. The center, which has been called everything from an insult to a "house of evil" by protestors, has already been through several approvals, including the a community financial district and an advisory board. New Yorkers told ABCNews.com that the idea of a mosque is not the problem, but the Cordoba Initiatve is just too close to the city's most painful scar and has struck many as insensitive and cruel. Robert Engel's office on Church Street, would look right into the proposed center. It's not a prospect he or many of his co-workers are looking forward to, he said. "I don't think they should do it. It's too close," Engel said. "It's a slap in the face." As Debate Rages, Another Nearby Mosque Has Operated Quietly for Years While the Cordoba's plans have become a lightning rod for politicians from Buffalo to Alaska, a blink-and-you'll-miss-it mosque a few blocks away draws worshipers instead of critics. The Web site of the Masjid Manhattan even includes a disclaimer that it is not affiliated with the Cordoba plans. "Please be advised that we are by no means affiliated with any other organization trying to build anything new in the area of downtown Manhattan." "Our members are city, state and federal employees, as well as professional employees of the financial area who come to our Masjid to perform their daily prayers," the statement continued. "Masjid Manhattan and its members condemn any type of terrorist acts." For more than an hour Monday, men wearing everything from neatly pressed suits and corporate ID cards to jeans and T-shirts came to pray at Masjid Manhattan. Three women also quietly made their way in, slipping silently into the women's section separated by two thick curtains. The mosque has operated in the neighborhood for years, moving in 2008 to its cramped basement space after their previous building was sold in 2008 and they were forced out. Engel, 36, also said that he's never had any problem with Masjid Manhattan, often passing worshippers on his way to eat in the restaurant above their prayer space.
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#1. To: Brian S, war (#0)
Maybe they could fly a symbolic plane into it in order to symbolize the historic event that made the mosque possible? war,you must be sooo proud!
war,you must be sooo proud! I really can't see how anyone can find fault with a building that represents just another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love. Too bad they have to demolish a nice old building to do it. Such is 'progress'. Think of all of those almighty jobs. I think it will be property tax exempt though.
You're an absurd cartoon character. You find "no fault" in a Mosque near the WTC, while at the same time absurdly connecting Judaism with Islam? Why aren't I surprised?
Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all branches of the same tree and claim Abraham as spiritual father. I guess you have no objection to being held responsible for every terrorist act carried out by a Christian, KKK for example.
Loo-see, Loo-see... Mininggold: ["Islam is] another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love." You do know there's pure water content blended in urine and fecal matter, right? I guess you have no objection to being held responsible for every terrorist act carried out by a Christian, KKK for example. So you're making the equivocation between ubiquitous Islamic terror in the name of Allah, and WHAT or WHO AGAIN?? Christians and the KKK "in the name of Jesus Christ"? What the hell is wrong with you? No, seriously? I appreciate your courtesy and civility, but you are soooo far out on the ledge of rationality and sanity, I'd be worried if I were your daughter...or Counselor. YOURS is the face (or mindset) of the Left. Distorted and warped beyond belief.
The Crusades were done in the name of Jesus Christ. The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.
You mean the KKK lynched blacks and burned crosses in accordance to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Or actually made said pronouncement as they performed their deeds? Come on you two - stop the absurd claims. It's bullsh*t, and you know it (well, I think war knows it.) Comparing a microscopic anomaly of Christian rogues to millions of adherents of Allah's own words and Koran is beyond ridiculous. It's garbage not really worthy of honest, intellectual discussion.
Micah 4:13 "Rise and thresh, O Daughter of Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hoofs of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations." You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the LORD, their wealth to the Lord of all the earth. You might want to read this article: www.boston.com/bostonglob...2009/03/08/dark_passages/ But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with "texts of terror," to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted. One cherished psalm (137) begins with the lovely line, "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept"; it ends by blessing anyone who would seize Babylon's infants and smash their skulls against the rocks.
www.boston.com/bostonglob...2009/03/08/dark_passages/ But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. Why would I want to read blatant propaganda and lies that you obvious swallow whole and sideways? My God - the inanity and mushy-minds of some people (like you) of anything they read astonishes me. You are so open and susceptible to the power of suggestion, you're a menace to truth.
You obviously have made up your mind and have no interest in truth. A Muslim friend recently said to me "How can people believe that Islam teaches violence. That's just crazy. No religion teaches that." The difference between you and him is that he recognizes wackos exist everywhere and doesn't judge an entire religion by the minority of wackos using their religion to justify their crazy acts.
Welcome to LibbyVille...
A dark and dangerous place.
Yeah, almost as "dark and dangerous" a place as the bowels of the World Trade Center on 9/11. Or for Christians in the Sudan. OR on any Saudi street while wearing a crucifix. Or any Muslim dominated land, city, or neighborhood. You and war oughta get a room. At the Ramada Inn in Detroit.
If you want to gut the first amendment, feel free. Watch it, tho...there's more agnostics than you ***think***.
There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that forces a city government to sell land to ANY religion. Freedom of and FROM religion is a two-way street. The rag heads do have a right to worship their child molester and goat raper if they want,but they don't have a right to do it anywhere they want. Anymore than that loon fundie judge had to place the 10 commandments in his courtroom.
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion.
No it doesn't. It forbitd CONGRESS. CONGRESS shall make no law... Not talking about the states. There should be no mosques in America.
We've got more Jews than in the Jewish State of Israel. What harm can a few Mosques do?
Would you have ever thought such a thing as that on 9/11 fred, while watching men and women jumping to their deaths from the towers....? I wonder if you could be as cruel and insensitive if one of these helpless people had been a loved one....A g-damn ISLAMIC mosque built on the site where thousands perished right before our eyes???? Whether our founders worshiped God or not, or even believed in Him, this nation was built upon Christian Values, not ISLAM, not Buddah, nor some fking witches coven....and you think nothing of allowing ISLAM a foothold in YOUR country, desecrating our most cherished and hallow grounds? The worst part of how you think fred is, you don't care enough, right or wrong, to even choose a side, it's apathy and indiffernce that's destroying this nation....we've forgotten the bonds that once held us together~ jmho~ 'Ground Zero Mosque' Gets Green Light": Because there wern't enough couragious Americans left in this country with backbones and the guts to stop it!! This has got to be a most horrific heartbreak to the families, the knife they got in the back from their own government, with Bloomberg leading the way.... I'm sorry fred, I didn't mean to rant...the anger I felt then is just as fresh today as then, but it's the helplessness I feel that is the worst feeling...those who may have been responsible breeding like roaches in this country...a country they claim they hate, but will take over if they get the chance...it's no different than Mexico, they're all out to change us...and I can't stop them!
I have a idea. How about we tell these goobers they have permission to build a Mosque there when WE get permission to build churches and synagogues in Mecca? This has got to be a most horrific heartbreak to the families, the knife they got in the back from their own government, with Bloomberg leading the way... You touch on the real root of the problem,there. Bloomberg may be the mayor of NYC,but in his heart and mind he isn't an American. He is a internationalist. A "citizen of the world". His prime interest is making deals and making money,and sovereign nations get in his way. Like the others with the insulation that great wealth provides,he doesn't think any of the negative results of the things he does will ever apply to him and his family. He thinks the world government will be able to control the Muslims,and he may even be right. Don't forget that King Abdullah has Jewish business partners,and this is the dude in charge of Mecca.
BINGO. The guy is no real "American." Bloomberg (as an "Elite amongst Elites") thinks he's immune and inoculated somehow. He and his family would be one of the very first eliminated by Islam when they take over NYC.
Liar. He was born here.
You're not a "real American" either. I don't care what your birth cert says. You're an Internationalist/Globalist.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe controversial Islamic center proposed to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks won a major victory today when a New York City board voted unanimously to allow the demolition of a building to make way for construction.
#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
Maybe they could fly a symbolic plane into it in order to symbolize the historic event that made the mosque possible?
#6. To: mininggold (#2)
I really can't see how anyone can find fault with a building that represents just another branch of the same jewish mythology whose adherents bring us continuous peace and love.
#10. To: Liberator (#6)
You find "no fault" in a Mosque near the WTC, while at the same time absurdly connecting Judaism with Islam? Why aren't I surprised?
#11. To: lucysmom (#10)
Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all branches of the same tree and claim Abraham as spiritual father.
#12. To: Liberator (#11)
#14. To: war, lucysmom (#12)
The KKK most CERTAINLY did their acts in the name of Jesus Christ.
#23. To: Liberator (#14)
Comparing a microscopic anomaly of Christian rogues to millions of adherents of Allah's own words and Koran is beyond ridiculous. It's garbage not really worthy of honest, intellectual discussion.
#25. To: lucysmom (#23)
You might want to read this article:
#27. To: Liberator (#25)
You are so open and susceptible to the power of suggestion, you're a menace to truth.
#28. To: lucysmom (#27)
You obviously have made up your mind and have no interest in truth.
#29. To: war (#28)
#32. To: lucysmom, war (#29)
A dark and dangerous place.
#34. To: Liberator (#32)
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#46. To: war (#34)
If you want to gut the first amendment, feel free.
#48. To: sneakypete (#46)
There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that forces a city government to sell land to ANY religion.
#53. To: war (#48)
The First Amendment does, however, estop a government from DENYING land BECAUSE of religion.
#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)
There should be no mosques in America.
#64. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
What harm can a few Mosques do?
#67. To: Murron (#64)
A g-damn ISLAMIC mosque built on the site where thousands perished right before our eyes????
#73. To: sneakypete, Murron (#67)
Bloomberg may be the mayor of NYC,but in his heart and mind he isn't an American. He is a internationalist. A "citizen of the world". His prime interest is making deals and making money,and sovereign nations get in his way. Like the others with the insulation that great wealth provides,he doesn't think any of the negative results of the things he does will ever apply to him and his family.
#74. To: Liberator (#73)
BINGO. The guy is no real "American."
#76. To: war (#74)
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