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Title: Obama has Royally Fucked Up in Afghanistan
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URL Source: http://partisan.blogs.hopelesslypartisan.com/item_8292.htm
Published: Jul 30, 2010
Author: Ken Berwitz
Post Date: 2010-07-30 13:34:10 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 17545
Comments: 66
Who has "ownership" of the war in Afghanistan? Is it President Bush, who got rid of the taliban government, closed al qaeda's training camps, and kept things that way with a troop total that never got about the high 20,000's? Or is it Barack Obama, who declared Afghanistan a "war of necessity" (i.e. he agreed it should be fought), has quadrupled the number of our troops there, and is now overseeing dramatically more combat fatalities in that hopeless anal cavity of the world than we ever had under Bush? Here is the first part of an Associated Press article which gives us the latest situation there. Warning: It is ugly: KABUL, Afghanistan 33; Three U.S. troops died in blasts in Afghanistan, bringing the death toll for July to at least 63 and surpassing the previous month's record as the deadliest for American forces in the nearly 9-year-old war. In Kabul, police fired weapons into the air Friday to disperse a crowd of angry Afghans who shouted "death to America," hurled stones and set fire to two vehicles after an SUV was involved in a traffic accident that killed four Afghans on the main airport road, according to the capital's criminal investigations chief, Abdul Ghaafar Sayedzada. I hope you took advantage of the link I provided and read not just the couple of paragraphs above, but the entire story. Tell me: Does this look like the Obama model is working? Does this look like it is yielding better results than President Bush attained with a fraction of the troops and a fraction of the casualties? Are you pleased with what President Obama has done regarding Afghanistan, and think it is superior to President Bush's strategies? Or do you wish that we could go back in time and revert to how Mr. Bush handled things? Finally, do you have any doubt whatsoever that, if our wonderful "neutral" media starts attacking President Obama for his conduct of the war (how's that for a big "if"?), Mr. Obama will find a way to blame it all on President Bush? And whose fault is this? Ultimately, it is ours. We voted this unqualified, incompetent Chicago machine politician into the White House, along with a huge Democratic majority in both houses to second his actions. Now we are paying for it. Full price. The 2010 elections cannot come soon enough. And that goes double for 2012.
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#27. To: Badeye (#24)
I've been looking into the JFK assassination since I was a kid. One of the theories was JFK's unwillingness to accelerate the Vietnam war as the reason the CIA had him taken out. There's a Youtube video of the Zapruder tapes, which were edited by the FBI, that show JFK's head snapping backwards and Jackie going out over the trunk trying to retrieve a part of his skull that was blown backwards, not forwards. The shooter hit him from the front or side. Lee Harvey Oswald was also a known government agent. You can't go to the Soviet Union and come back without their knowledge.
Is it time to take out the trash? Post Date: 2010-07-14 11:48:27 by A K A Stone We know who you mean.
That's just plain "funny." Or embarrassing. Corrupt Dem-Rat LBJ OWNED that war.
In an effort to root out supplies lines and staging area of reinforcements. But don't let me stop you from regurgitating Uncle Walter's and the Liberal narration of lies and blame. Btw, it's a good thing your
There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam. None. But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger.
Anti-Communist, yes. "Posturing"?? How do you define it? As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept. There is NO way he's to blame for a war seeded by JFK and escalated beyond belief by LBJ and fought NOT to win. But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger. I'll drink to that.
SEATO. Having Dulles start a covert war. Stockpiling weaponry is Laos. Rallying the generals to support a war there.
He was Ike's point man on Viet Nam.
Having Dulles start a covert war. Stockpiling weaponry is Laos. Rallying the generals to support a war there. Nixon did all that? (I know what "posturing" is.)
Yes, to monitor the situation; NOT to create WWIII. IKE was sick of war. We don't know what Nixon might have done in Nam or elsewhere had he properly been President in 1961-1965.
Yep. Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.
In Nam?
"Properly"? It would have escalated sooner.
Yep.
Yes. He really won the '60 election, but was stolen for JFK. It would have escalated sooner. Maybe. Nixon did have a chip on his shoulder for Commies. But there would have arguably been a right way and wrong way to have gone about it. Republicans generally goes for the throat more than Dems during war - not that I'm saying I would have supported it in Nam either way.
Opposing what seemed to be a Commie-corrupted election wouldn't have necessarily translated into war. In '54 the US still held some clout over there - although Nam at the time was under France's sphere of influence and they were getting their asses kicked. Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.
Bull...taking IL out of the equation, JFK still wins. Then you have the mysterious flip in CA from JFK to Nixon. Three days AFTER all votes were supposedly counted.
It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field. Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN?
How about all the other close counts in Union-influenced states? The Dems were/are notorious for fraud. Then you have the mysterious flip in CA from JFK to Nixon. Three days AFTER all votes were supposedly counted. Huge state to tally, AND it was afterall Nixon's home state. JFK took 11 0f 13 "Close" races. Hmmmm: 1. Hawaii, 0.06%(JFK)
It was a close election.
Again, may have...perhaps even probably. BUT it would have been the sloppy, sabotaged war that LBJ waged. Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN? Lodge? Yeah, so?
Yeah, SO "close," that the electorate was manipulated by Unions and Big City Dems machinations.
Who called for the overthrow of Diem?
How did Nixon win CA when the vote had already been called for Kennedy?
Obama's nympo mama was royally fucked by bunches of guys in &/or from most Third World shitholes; I doubt the Afghani studs missed their turn, just sayin'.
I looked into it for years, and after all this time I've concluded Oswald simply shot well the day in Dallas.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war. That's just plain "funny." Or embarrassing. Only kool aid drinkers believe this bullshit.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I can't believe how retarded you must be to think she was trying to retrieve part of his skull. What do you think she intended to do with it? Was she just keeping track of all the pieces for the doctor? Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.
Were you ever in the music or song writing business? ... e_type_jagoff to Mudboy lol
Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN? I agree Nixon would likely have escalated the war in Vietnam had he won election in 1960, but the war was also winnable in those early days of American involvement. Just curious, do you know of any ongoing communication between Loge and Nixon during the time that Nixon was out of office in the 1960s?
Make an ash tray?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
They were both GOP power brokers in the 50's. I'd be surprised if they weren't. There were two appointments made during the Kennedy era that are very puzzling ...one is the Lodge appointment. He BEAT Lodge for his Senate seat in 1952 and the two families were LONGTIME political rivals. The other was the appointment of Allen Dulles to the Warren Commission.
Okay...shit...that is goddam funny as macabre as it is...
That's what a couple of glasses of good Scotch will do to you.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
A taste that I have tried several times to acquire, none successfully and I've even splurged for Blue to acquire it. I do keep a bottle of McCallan around for my brother and brother in law and every now and again I'll pour a couple fingers - usually with a schtoge. I prefer port if I stray from beer or wine and tequila - blue agave - is one of the major food groups.
Prescott Bush with his sock puppet Nixon. Look at Nixon,....you'd think he just got laid. as for Allen Dulles....
Internationalists all and natural enemies of the Kennedys...
Did Kissinger really kneel and pray with Nixon ? Maybe he did,.....and thats why Beria killed him : )
Here's the link to the Youtube video. First ladies do not jump out of backseats chasing something unless it's important to them. If she was just plain scared of bullets she could have ducked. She didn't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo&feature=related This is not for watching around children. And as I've said before the FBI edited most of the tape they seized.
Is it time to take out the trash? Post Date: 2010-07-14 11:48:27 by A K A Stone We know who you mean.
Football in four days, I'll actually be rooting for the Bengals. At first, later in the game it's player development and not about the score.
Is it time to take out the trash? Post Date: 2010-07-14 11:48:27 by A K A Stone We know who you mean.
Another thread hijacker.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Bengals Nation has reason to be excited. We actually signed our 1st round pick before the first exhibition game! (chuckle) Seriously, the Brown family is going all out THIS YEAR. I can't recall them ever making this many moves to improve the team in a given off season since inception in the 1960's. If Bryant's knee is okay for the season...its going to be a ball watching this team. Defense was ranked 4th overall last year, and should be even better given the rookies have a full year under their collective belts. Thought about going to the game, but Canton's a madhouse on HOF weekend.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Thats on Saint JFK and LBJ. Period.
#28. To: war, mininggold (#26)
Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war.
#29. To: mininggold (#23)
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But it was under Nixon we invaded Cambodia
President Kerry seared into his mind the memory of his Cambodian heroics on that important Christmas Day.
#30. To: Liberator (#28)
(Edited)
#31. To: war (#30)
(Edited)
There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam.
#32. To: Liberator (#31)
How do you define it?
#33. To: Liberator (#31)
As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept
#34. To: war (#32)
SEATO.
#35. To: war (#33)
He was Ike's point man on Viet Nam.
#36. To: Liberator (#34)
#37. To: war (#36)
Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.
#38. To: Liberator (#35)
We don't know what Nixon might have done in Nam or elsewhere had he properly been President in 1961-1965.
#39. To: Liberator (#37)
#40. To: war (#38)
"Properly"?
#41. To: war (#39)
#42. To: Liberator (#40)
Yes. He really won the '60 election, but was stolen for JFK.
#43. To: Liberator (#41)
Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.
#44. To: war (#42)
Bull...taking IL out of the equation, JFK still wins.
2. Illinois, 0.19%(JFK)
3. Missouri, 0.52% (JFK)
4. California, 0.55% (Nixon)
5. New Jersey, 0.80% (JFK)
6. New Mexico, 0.74%(JFK)
7. Minnesota, 1.43%(JFK)
8. Delaware, 1.64%(JFK)
9. Alaska, 1.88%(Nixon)
10. Texas, 2.00% (JFK)
11. Michigan, 2.01% (JFK)
12. Nevada, 2.32%(JFK)
13. Pennsylvania, 2.32% (JFK)
#45. To: Liberator (#44)
(Edited)
#46. To: war (#43)
It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.
#47. To: war (#45)
(Edited)
It was a close election.
#48. To: Liberator (#46)
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Lodge? Yeah, so?
#49. To: Liberator (#47)
#50. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Obama has Royally Fucked Up in Afghanistan
#51. To: reaganisright (#27)
#52. To: Liberator (#28)
#53. To: reaganisright (#27)
Jackie going out over the trunk trying to retrieve a part of his skull
#54. To: war, liberator (#43)
It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.
#55. To: Abu el Banat (#53)
What do you think she intended to do with it?
#56. To: Thunderbird (#54)
#57. To: Skip Intro (#55)
#58. To: war (#57)
#59. To: Skip Intro (#58)
(Edited)
#60. To: war (#56)
excerpt:
: Allen Dulles worked with brother John Foster Dulles, as lawyer and international finance specialist for Sullivan & Cromwell, a Wall Street law firm in New York (1927-1941). While there, he worked with top Nazi industrialists and played a pivotal role in promoting U.S.-Nazi corporate relations. Allen worked with Prescott Bush (grandfather of President George Walker Bush) and George Herbert Walker (Prescott's father-in-law) who ran Union Banking Corporation for the Nazis. Allen was legal counsel for Standard Oil and the Nazi's I.G. Farben , co-owned by the Rockefellers.
#61. To: Parrot with speed dial (#60)
#62. To: war (#61)
Internationalists all and natural enemies of the Kennedys...
Well,...its nothin like being da Boss in Russia,
Wonder if Stalin had second thoughts about Lavrenty Beria?
#63. To: Badeye (#51)
#64. To: Badeye (#51)
#65. To: reaganisright (#64)
Football in four days, I'll actually be rooting for the Bengals. At first, later in the game it's player development and not about the score.
#66. To: reaganisright (#64)
Football in four days, I'll actually be rooting for the Bengals. At first, later in the game it's player development and not about the score.
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