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Title: Obama has Royally Fucked Up in Afghanistan
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://partisan.blogs.hopelesslypartisan.com/item_8292.htm
Published: Jul 30, 2010
Author: Ken Berwitz
Post Date: 2010-07-30 13:34:10 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 17529
Comments: 66

Who has "ownership" of the war in Afghanistan? Is it President Bush, who got rid of the taliban government, closed al qaeda's training camps, and kept things that way with a troop total that never got about the high 20,000's?

Or is it Barack Obama, who declared Afghanistan a "war of necessity" (i.e. he agreed it should be fought), has quadrupled the number of our troops there, and is now overseeing dramatically more combat fatalities in that hopeless anal cavity of the world than we ever had under Bush?

Here is the first part of an Associated Press article which gives us the latest situation there. Warning: It is ugly:

KABUL, Afghanistan 33; Three U.S. troops died in blasts in Afghanistan, bringing the death toll for July to at least 63 and surpassing the previous month's record as the deadliest for American forces in the nearly 9-year-old war.

In Kabul, police fired weapons into the air Friday to disperse a crowd of angry Afghans who shouted "death to America," hurled stones and set fire to two vehicles after an SUV was involved in a traffic accident that killed four Afghans on the main airport road, according to the capital's criminal investigations chief, Abdul Ghaafar Sayedzada.

I hope you took advantage of the link I provided and read not just the couple of paragraphs above, but the entire story.

Tell me: Does this look like the Obama model is working? Does this look like it is yielding better results than President Bush attained with a fraction of the troops and a fraction of the casualties?

Are you pleased with what President Obama has done regarding Afghanistan, and think it is superior to President Bush's strategies? Or do you wish that we could go back in time and revert to how Mr. Bush handled things?

Finally, do you have any doubt whatsoever that, if our wonderful "neutral" media starts attacking President Obama for his conduct of the war (how's that for a big "if"?), Mr. Obama will find a way to blame it all on President Bush?

And whose fault is this? Ultimately, it is ours. We voted this unqualified, incompetent Chicago machine politician into the White House, along with a huge Democratic majority in both houses to second his actions. Now we are paying for it. Full price.

The 2010 elections cannot come soon enough. And that goes double for 2012.

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#10. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-30   15:04:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#10) (Edited)

Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now.

So Vietnam must have been Nixon's war. LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   15:08:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#13)

Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now. So Vietnam must have been Nixon's war. LOLOL

Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny. And nope, it was JFK and LBJ's 'war'.

Owe-bama is doing the same thing LBJ did.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-02   8:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Badeye (#17) (Edited)

Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny. And nope, it was JFK and LBJ's 'war'. Owe-bama is doing the same thing LBJ did.

No one said anything was funny about American dead and you know it. I was laughing at you and your changeable 'logic'.

Vietnam is now Nixon's war.

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-02   11:53:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#18)

Vietnam is now Nixon's war.

In my opinion it will always be Gen. Westmoreland's war.

Thunderbird  posted on  2010-08-03   9:35:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Thunderbird (#25)

In my opinion it will always be Gen. Westmoreland's war.

Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war. Even going back into the 50's. It was Nixon who set up SEATO and, I'm sure, he thought that he was going to be POTUS in 1961.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   9:57:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war, mininggold (#26)

Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war.

That's just plain "funny." Or embarrassing.

Corrupt Dem-Rat LBJ OWNED that war.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:03:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#28) (Edited)

There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam.

None.

But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:21:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#30) (Edited)

There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam.

Anti-Communist, yes. "Posturing"?? How do you define it? As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept. There is NO way he's to blame for a war seeded by JFK and escalated beyond belief by LBJ and fought NOT to win.

But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger.

I'll drink to that.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:25:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#31)

How do you define it?

SEATO.

Having Dulles start a covert war.

Stockpiling weaponry is Laos.

Rallying the generals to support a war there.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:27:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: war (#32)

SEATO.

Having Dulles start a covert war.

Stockpiling weaponry is Laos.

Rallying the generals to support a war there.

Nixon did all that?

(I know what "posturing" is.)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:38:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#34)

Yep. Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:40:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#36)

Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.

In Nam?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:41:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#37)

Yep.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:43:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: war (#39)

Opposing what seemed to be a Commie-corrupted election wouldn't have necessarily translated into war. In '54 the US still held some clout over there - although Nam at the time was under France's sphere of influence and they were getting their asses kicked.

Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:53:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator (#41)

Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.

It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.

Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN?

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:07:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#46. To: war (#43)

It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.

Again, may have...perhaps even probably. BUT it would have been the sloppy, sabotaged war that LBJ waged.

Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN?

Lodge? Yeah, so?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03 14:33:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: war, liberator (#43)

It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.

Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN?

I agree Nixon would likely have escalated the war in Vietnam had he won election in 1960, but the war was also winnable in those early days of American involvement.

Just curious, do you know of any ongoing communication between Loge and Nixon during the time that Nixon was out of office in the 1960s?

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