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Title: Obama has Royally Fucked Up in Afghanistan
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://partisan.blogs.hopelesslypartisan.com/item_8292.htm
Published: Jul 30, 2010
Author: Ken Berwitz
Post Date: 2010-07-30 13:34:10 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 17494
Comments: 66

Who has "ownership" of the war in Afghanistan? Is it President Bush, who got rid of the taliban government, closed al qaeda's training camps, and kept things that way with a troop total that never got about the high 20,000's?

Or is it Barack Obama, who declared Afghanistan a "war of necessity" (i.e. he agreed it should be fought), has quadrupled the number of our troops there, and is now overseeing dramatically more combat fatalities in that hopeless anal cavity of the world than we ever had under Bush?

Here is the first part of an Associated Press article which gives us the latest situation there. Warning: It is ugly:

KABUL, Afghanistan 33; Three U.S. troops died in blasts in Afghanistan, bringing the death toll for July to at least 63 and surpassing the previous month's record as the deadliest for American forces in the nearly 9-year-old war.

In Kabul, police fired weapons into the air Friday to disperse a crowd of angry Afghans who shouted "death to America," hurled stones and set fire to two vehicles after an SUV was involved in a traffic accident that killed four Afghans on the main airport road, according to the capital's criminal investigations chief, Abdul Ghaafar Sayedzada.

I hope you took advantage of the link I provided and read not just the couple of paragraphs above, but the entire story.

Tell me: Does this look like the Obama model is working? Does this look like it is yielding better results than President Bush attained with a fraction of the troops and a fraction of the casualties?

Are you pleased with what President Obama has done regarding Afghanistan, and think it is superior to President Bush's strategies? Or do you wish that we could go back in time and revert to how Mr. Bush handled things?

Finally, do you have any doubt whatsoever that, if our wonderful "neutral" media starts attacking President Obama for his conduct of the war (how's that for a big "if"?), Mr. Obama will find a way to blame it all on President Bush?

And whose fault is this? Ultimately, it is ours. We voted this unqualified, incompetent Chicago machine politician into the White House, along with a huge Democratic majority in both houses to second his actions. Now we are paying for it. Full price.

The 2010 elections cannot come soon enough. And that goes double for 2012.

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#8. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

If you're familiar with the name Eric Dondero Rittberg (and variants thereof), it should. Dondero-Rittberg has been a perennial whiner in libertarian ranks.

He claims to be a Registered Chemical Engineer, but only since the oil spill.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   14:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#7)

You really are a piece of shit, Eric.

I visual him and Stone together, squealing and giggling like two teenage girls over the pranks they think they get away with.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   15:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-30   15:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mininggold (#8)

He claims to be a Registered Chemical Engineer, but only since the oil spill.

Real engineers have the title P.E. Without it, they can't call themselves "engineers".

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-30   15:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#9)

I visual him and Stone together, squealing and giggling like two teenage girls over the pranks they think they get away with.

I don't know what Stone gets out of it. It makes his site look stupid.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-30   15:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#10) (Edited)

Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now.

So Vietnam must have been Nixon's war. LOLOL

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   15:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#8)

I think you should inform the bridge overpass dweller Erica that I'm not Dondero (I believe it has me filtered). It's laughable that he thinks I am.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-30   15:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes (#14)

I think you should inform the bridge overpass dweller Erica that I'm not Dondero (I believe it has me filtered). It's laughable that he thinks I am.

LOL. Personally I think you are a teenage girl, but you are getting what you deserve as long as you post your crap.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   15:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Skip Intro (#11)

Real engineers have the title P.E. Without it, they can't call themselves "engineers".

Wrong, as you and willy are about most things.

I do have a PE designation, but it is not necessary for me to be an engineer.

It just means i have passed a fundamentals of engineering test, have demonstrated adequate work experience, obtained required references, and passed a PE qualification test.

Many engineers never go through this laborious process and are quite accomplished engineers.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-31   11:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#13)

Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now. So Vietnam must have been Nixon's war. LOLOL

Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny. And nope, it was JFK and LBJ's 'war'.

Owe-bama is doing the same thing LBJ did.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-02   8:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Badeye (#17) (Edited)

Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny. And nope, it was JFK and LBJ's 'war'. Owe-bama is doing the same thing LBJ did.

No one said anything was funny about American dead and you know it. I was laughing at you and your changeable 'logic'.

Vietnam is now Nixon's war.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-02   11:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

I do have a PE designation, but it is not necessary for me to be an engineer.

Bullshit. To work as a professional engineer a PE is required. You may be able to work under a PE, but technically you can't call yourself an engineer or sign engineering reports as an engineer.

Don't try to buillshit me on this. I'm a registered geologist, and I worked with PE's and EIT's every day.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-02   12:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#18)

Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny

Odd statement coming from a clown who chuckles and giggles on nearly every post.

"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-08-02   12:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Skip Intro (#19)

Most of the engineers who work in industry are not PEs and have no incentive to become one.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-02   12:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mininggold (#18)

Vietnam is now Nixon's war.

Ford's isn't it?

war  posted on  2010-08-02   12:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#22)

Ford's isn't it?

Yeah and since Ford took the rest of Nixon's term they should both share the honors. But it was under Nixon we invaded Cambodia, giving the war it's final twist.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-02   13:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mininggold (#18)

No one said anything was funny about American dead and you know it.

I can't read minds, and I don't guess at what a kook like you means. You wrote it, you own it.

And only somebody thats insane or ignorant can claim Vietnam was 'Nixon's War'.

Thats on Saint JFK and LBJ. Period.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-02   16:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#18)

Vietnam is now Nixon's war.

In my opinion it will always be Gen. Westmoreland's war.

Thunderbird  posted on  2010-08-03   9:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Thunderbird (#25)

In my opinion it will always be Gen. Westmoreland's war.

Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war. Even going back into the 50's. It was Nixon who set up SEATO and, I'm sure, he thought that he was going to be POTUS in 1961.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   9:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Badeye (#24)

Thats on Saint JFK and LBJ. Period.

I've been looking into the JFK assassination since I was a kid.

One of the theories was JFK's unwillingness to accelerate the Vietnam war as the reason the CIA had him taken out.

There's a Youtube video of the Zapruder tapes, which were edited by the FBI, that show JFK's head snapping backwards and Jackie going out over the trunk trying to retrieve a part of his skull that was blown backwards, not forwards. The shooter hit him from the front or side.

Lee Harvey Oswald was also a known government agent. You can't go to the Soviet Union and come back without their knowledge.

Is it time to take out the trash? Post Date: 2010-07-14 11:48:27 by A K A Stone We know who you mean.

reaganisright  posted on  2010-08-03   12:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war, mininggold (#26)

Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war.

That's just plain "funny." Or embarrassing.

Corrupt Dem-Rat LBJ OWNED that war.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold (#23) (Edited)

But it was under Nixon we invaded Cambodia

In an effort to root out supplies lines and staging area of reinforcements. But don't let me stop you from regurgitating Uncle Walter's and the Liberal narration of lies and blame.

Btw, it's a good thing your President Kerry seared into his mind the memory of his Cambodian heroics on that important Christmas Day.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#28) (Edited)

There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam.

None.

But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#30) (Edited)

There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam.

Anti-Communist, yes. "Posturing"?? How do you define it? As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept. There is NO way he's to blame for a war seeded by JFK and escalated beyond belief by LBJ and fought NOT to win.

But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger.

I'll drink to that.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#31)

How do you define it?

SEATO.

Having Dulles start a covert war.

Stockpiling weaponry is Laos.

Rallying the generals to support a war there.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#31)

As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept

He was Ike's point man on Viet Nam.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: war (#32)

SEATO.

Having Dulles start a covert war.

Stockpiling weaponry is Laos.

Rallying the generals to support a war there.

Nixon did all that?

(I know what "posturing" is.)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

He was Ike's point man on Viet Nam.

Yes, to monitor the situation; NOT to create WWIII. IKE was sick of war.

We don't know what Nixon might have done in Nam or elsewhere had he properly been President in 1961-1965.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#34)

Yep. Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#36)

Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.

In Nam?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#35)

We don't know what Nixon might have done in Nam or elsewhere had he properly been President in 1961-1965.

"Properly"?

It would have escalated sooner.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#37)

Yep.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   13:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#38)

"Properly"?

Yes. He really won the '60 election, but was stolen for JFK.

It would have escalated sooner.

Maybe.

Nixon did have a chip on his shoulder for Commies. But there would have arguably been a right way and wrong way to have gone about it. Republicans generally goes for the throat more than Dems during war - not that I'm saying I would have supported it in Nam either way.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: war (#39)

Opposing what seemed to be a Commie-corrupted election wouldn't have necessarily translated into war. In '54 the US still held some clout over there - although Nam at the time was under France's sphere of influence and they were getting their asses kicked.

Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   13:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator (#40)

Yes. He really won the '60 election, but was stolen for JFK.

Bull...taking IL out of the equation, JFK still wins. Then you have the mysterious flip in CA from JFK to Nixon. Three days AFTER all votes were supposedly counted.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator (#41)

Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.

It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.

Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN?

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#42)

Bull...taking IL out of the equation, JFK still wins.

How about all the other close counts in Union-influenced states? The Dems were/are notorious for fraud.

Then you have the mysterious flip in CA from JFK to Nixon. Three days AFTER all votes were supposedly counted.

Huge state to tally, AND it was afterall Nixon's home state.

JFK took 11 0f 13 "Close" races. Hmmmm:

1. Hawaii, 0.06%(JFK)
2. Illinois, 0.19%(JFK)
3. Missouri, 0.52% (JFK)
4. California, 0.55% (Nixon)
5. New Jersey, 0.80% (JFK)
6. New Mexico, 0.74%(JFK)
7. Minnesota, 1.43%(JFK)
8. Delaware, 1.64%(JFK)
9. Alaska, 1.88%(Nixon)
10. Texas, 2.00% (JFK)
11. Michigan, 2.01% (JFK)
12. Nevada, 2.32%(JFK)
13. Pennsylvania, 2.32% (JFK)

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#44) (Edited)

It was a close election.

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#43)

It's a widely held consensus in the Cold War history field.

Again, may have...perhaps even probably. BUT it would have been the sloppy, sabotaged war that LBJ waged.

Who was Nixon's running mate in 1960? Who became US ambassador to RVN?

Lodge? Yeah, so?

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#45) (Edited)

It was a close election.

Yeah, SO "close," that the electorate was manipulated by Unions and Big City Dems machinations.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-03   14:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Liberator (#46) (Edited)

Lodge? Yeah, so?

Who called for the overthrow of Diem?

war  posted on  2010-08-03   14:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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