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Title: Obama has Royally Fucked Up in Afghanistan
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URL Source: http://partisan.blogs.hopelesslypartisan.com/item_8292.htm
Published: Jul 30, 2010
Author: Ken Berwitz
Post Date: 2010-07-30 13:34:10 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 18283
Comments: 66
Who has "ownership" of the war in Afghanistan? Is it President Bush, who got rid of the taliban government, closed al qaeda's training camps, and kept things that way with a troop total that never got about the high 20,000's? Or is it Barack Obama, who declared Afghanistan a "war of necessity" (i.e. he agreed it should be fought), has quadrupled the number of our troops there, and is now overseeing dramatically more combat fatalities in that hopeless anal cavity of the world than we ever had under Bush? Here is the first part of an Associated Press article which gives us the latest situation there. Warning: It is ugly: KABUL, Afghanistan 33; Three U.S. troops died in blasts in Afghanistan, bringing the death toll for July to at least 63 and surpassing the previous month's record as the deadliest for American forces in the nearly 9-year-old war. In Kabul, police fired weapons into the air Friday to disperse a crowd of angry Afghans who shouted "death to America," hurled stones and set fire to two vehicles after an SUV was involved in a traffic accident that killed four Afghans on the main airport road, according to the capital's criminal investigations chief, Abdul Ghaafar Sayedzada. I hope you took advantage of the link I provided and read not just the couple of paragraphs above, but the entire story. Tell me: Does this look like the Obama model is working? Does this look like it is yielding better results than President Bush attained with a fraction of the troops and a fraction of the casualties? Are you pleased with what President Obama has done regarding Afghanistan, and think it is superior to President Bush's strategies? Or do you wish that we could go back in time and revert to how Mr. Bush handled things? Finally, do you have any doubt whatsoever that, if our wonderful "neutral" media starts attacking President Obama for his conduct of the war (how's that for a big "if"?), Mr. Obama will find a way to blame it all on President Bush? And whose fault is this? Ultimately, it is ours. We voted this unqualified, incompetent Chicago machine politician into the White House, along with a huge Democratic majority in both houses to second his actions. Now we are paying for it. Full price. The 2010 elections cannot come soon enough. And that goes double for 2012.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Nice title.
FDR owned WWII, Truman owned Korea and LBJ owned Vietnam; and Bush will always own the wars he initiated.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Those who expound the 'proper' propaganda shall have privilege and entitlement here. It's the Christian way.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Really Stone, is there no bottom to what you'll let this asshole post on your site?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
A pic of him: A summary from the following website: http://search.intelius.com/Eric-Dondero- Rittberg/websites/frame?h=4e719d7f3b&title=Eric+Dondero+Rittberg%2C+The+Real- Life+%22Master+Shake%22%3F%2C+by+Mike+Blessing&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncc- 1776.org%2Ftle2004%2Ftle275-20040613-04.html Eric Dondero Rittberg, The Real-Life "Master Shake"? by Mike Blessing mikewb1972@yahoo.com Exclusive to TLE For a few months now, I've been a fan of a cartoon series called "Aqua Teen Hunger Force." Think of it as a sophisticated, surreal Beavis and Butthead, or a really gross form of South Park. Either way, it's pretty funny (it helps to have a twisted sense of humor). You might want to check out the show's page on adultswim.com, as I'll be referring to it in a moment: http://www.adultswim.com/shows/athf/index.html The character I'll spend the most time with here goes by the name Master Shake, or just "Shake". He's a talking milkshake, about five feet, six inches. He's also a complete asshole and moron. Some examples: Once, Shake sells his roommate Meatwad to the circus for two FRN, telling him that he's going to "computer camp." The other roomie, Frylock, buys a toy for Meatwad. Shake grabs it instead, thinks it's a real computer, then asks "Which one do I buy stock with—the chicken or the piggie?" Shake and neighbor Carl split the cost of getting a mail-order bride from Chechnya, then fight over who gets to marry her. Shake flushes the Aqua Teens' monthly bills down the toilet, then complains about the electricity and cable TV getting cut off, blaming the cut-off on the other two. Shake offers heavy metal musician Zakk Wylde 1.4 million FRN to rewrite "Happy Birthday" into a headbanger tune. When Frylock asks him "Where the hell are you gonna get that kind of money?" Shake says that he'll pay it out of royalties collected from future sales. Shake then plans to debut this masterpiece with Wilde playing it alongside two six-foot plastic scorpions in an abandoned and trashed party hall. Sound familiar? If you're familiar with the name Eric Dondero Rittberg (and variants thereof), it should. Dondero-Rittberg has been a perennial whiner in libertarian ranks. I first came across "Shake" Dondero-Rittberg on the [libertarian_culture] Yahoo list, where he was complaining that we weren't libertarians but actually anarchists. He was also whining that he was "purged" from the Libertarian Party in the late 1980's or early 1990's by the "extremist faction." When I pointed out that George Worthless Bush was a con artist when it came to Second Amendment issues (among other things), Eric the Shake suggested that I join the Taliban or move to Castroist Cuba, and that "You are no American!" Fast-forward to this year, when lo and behold, I find that Eric the Shake was seeking the LP's vice-presidential nomination. This bid was rather short-lived, as he is still a member of the Republican Party and a fan of Bush II, making it very unlikely that he'd win. So then he joins Gary Nolan's presidential campaign as an aide, fresh out of Ron Paul's office. When Nolan lost the nomination to Michael Badnarik, Eric threw another of his temper tantrums, complaining that Badnarik is "only" a "semi-employed Computer Programmer," has "no college degree" (so what?—neither does Bill Gates), has no military service record, and is a possible plant from the FBI. Etc., etc. For what it's worth, Dondero-Rittberg says that anyone not with him but still professing to be a libertarian is an anarchist (again, so what?): "You people make me embarrassed to be in the same movement. Why don't you all just change your names to Anarchists. You are not real libertarians. You don't even know the meaning of the word. "Go away and get the hell out of the libertraian movement. You are doing SERIOUS DAMAGE TO OUR CAUSE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !" Hmmm... What's this "our cause" BS all about? Since Badnarik got the LP's nod, Dondero- Rittberg went back to being a Bushevik camp-follower, saying that Worthless "must have some libertarian instincts" and that his brother Jeb is a "solid mainstream libertarian." Is this the same Jeb Bush that pitched the Matrix data-mining program to the FBI/CIA ferals in Washington? As for Worthless' "libertarian instincts," they sure weren't showing when he campaigned with NRA money in his war chest while promising to re-authorize the Clinton-era "assault weapons" ban, as it expires on 13 Sept 2004. How about when he said that he supported "ending the 'gun show loophole'" by making private firearm sales illegal? And never forget that immediately after the events of 11 Sept 2001 (some call it "9-11"), the neo-conservatives were up in arms that the Air Force didn't have F-16's and F-15's ready to intercept and shoot down the hijacked airliners. At the same time, they were also complaining that "airport security" wasn't "tight enough." So when it comes down to brass tacks, the Busheviks would rather shoot down a plane with 90-100 people on board who haven't hurt anyone else on the plane— turning them into 600-mph hamburger as their bodies are shredded by the explosion of an air-to-air missile and/or 20-mm or 30-mm cannon-fire—rather than let those same people carry the most effective means of self-defense onto the aircraft. So much for their support of the Second Amendment. I guess I'll have to live with being an "Anarchist" then.
You really are a piece of shit, Eric.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
He claims to be a Registered Chemical Engineer, but only since the oil spill.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
I visual him and Stone together, squealing and giggling like two teenage girls over the pranks they think they get away with.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Real engineers have the title P.E. Without it, they can't call themselves "engineers".
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
I don't know what Stone gets out of it. It makes his site look stupid.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
So Vietnam must have been Nixon's war. LOLOL
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
I think you should inform the bridge overpass dweller Erica that I'm not Dondero (I believe it has me filtered). It's laughable that he thinks I am.
LOL. Personally I think you are a teenage girl, but you are getting what you deserve as long as you post your crap.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Wrong, as you and willy are about most things. I do have a PE designation, but it is not necessary for me to be an engineer. It just means i have passed a fundamentals of engineering test, have demonstrated adequate work experience, obtained required references, and passed a PE qualification test. Many engineers never go through this laborious process and are quite accomplished engineers.
Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now. So Vietnam must have been Nixon's war. LOLOL Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny. And nope, it was JFK and LBJ's 'war'. Owe-bama is doing the same thing LBJ did.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
No one said anything was funny about American dead and you know it. I was laughing at you and your changeable 'logic'. Vietnam is now Nixon's war.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Bullshit. To work as a professional engineer a PE is required. You may be able to work under a PE, but technically you can't call yourself an engineer or sign engineering reports as an engineer. Don't try to buillshit me on this. I'm a registered geologist, and I worked with PE's and EIT's every day.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
Odd statement coming from a clown who chuckles and giggles on nearly every post.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
Most of the engineers who work in industry are not PEs and have no incentive to become one.
Ford's isn't it?
Yeah and since Ford took the rest of Nixon's term they should both share the honors. But it was under Nixon we invaded Cambodia, giving the war it's final twist.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
I can't read minds, and I don't guess at what a kook like you means. You wrote it, you own it. And only somebody thats insane or ignorant can claim Vietnam was 'Nixon's War'. Thats on Saint JFK and LBJ. Period.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
In my opinion it will always be Gen. Westmoreland's war.
Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war. Even going back into the 50's. It was Nixon who set up SEATO and, I'm sure, he thought that he was going to be POTUS in 1961.
I've been looking into the JFK assassination since I was a kid. One of the theories was JFK's unwillingness to accelerate the Vietnam war as the reason the CIA had him taken out. There's a Youtube video of the Zapruder tapes, which were edited by the FBI, that show JFK's head snapping backwards and Jackie going out over the trunk trying to retrieve a part of his skull that was blown backwards, not forwards. The shooter hit him from the front or side. Lee Harvey Oswald was also a known government agent. You can't go to the Soviet Union and come back without their knowledge.
Is it time to take out the trash? Post Date: 2010-07-14 11:48:27 by A K A Stone We know who you mean.
That's just plain "funny." Or embarrassing. Corrupt Dem-Rat LBJ OWNED that war.
In an effort to root out supplies lines and staging area of reinforcements. But don't let me stop you from regurgitating Uncle Walter's and the Liberal narration of lies and blame. Btw, it's a good thing your
There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam. None. But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger.
Anti-Communist, yes. "Posturing"?? How do you define it? As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept. There is NO way he's to blame for a war seeded by JFK and escalated beyond belief by LBJ and fought NOT to win. But I should add that I believe LBJ is a war criminal. Ditto Kissinger. I'll drink to that.
SEATO. Having Dulles start a covert war. Stockpiling weaponry is Laos. Rallying the generals to support a war there.
He was Ike's point man on Viet Nam.
Having Dulles start a covert war. Stockpiling weaponry is Laos. Rallying the generals to support a war there. Nixon did all that? (I know what "posturing" is.)
Yes, to monitor the situation; NOT to create WWIII. IKE was sick of war. We don't know what Nixon might have done in Nam or elsewhere had he properly been President in 1961-1965.
Yep. Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.
In Nam?
"Properly"? It would have escalated sooner.
Yep.
Yes. He really won the '60 election, but was stolen for JFK. It would have escalated sooner. Maybe. Nixon did have a chip on his shoulder for Commies. But there would have arguably been a right way and wrong way to have gone about it. Republicans generally goes for the throat more than Dems during war - not that I'm saying I would have supported it in Nam either way.
Opposing what seemed to be a Commie-corrupted election wouldn't have necessarily translated into war. In '54 the US still held some clout over there - although Nam at the time was under France's sphere of influence and they were getting their asses kicked. Again, it's pure conjecture whether the US under a President Nixon in the early 60's would have escalated a war the way LBJ had..while fighting not to win.
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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Who has "ownership" of the war in Afghanistan? Is it President Bush, who got rid of the taliban government, closed al qaeda's training camps, and kept things that way with a troop total that never got about the high 20,000's?
#3. To: war (#1)
Nice title.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#5. To: Skip Intro (#4)
#6. To: Skip Intro (#4)
Really Stone, is there no bottom to what you'll let this asshole post on your site?
#7. To: no gnu taxes (#5)
#8. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)
If you're familiar with the name Eric Dondero Rittberg (and variants thereof), it should. Dondero-Rittberg has been a perennial whiner in libertarian ranks.
#9. To: Skip Intro (#7)
You really are a piece of shit, Eric.
#10. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
#11. To: mininggold (#8)
He claims to be a Registered Chemical Engineer, but only since the oil spill.
#12. To: mininggold (#9)
I visual him and Stone together, squealing and giggling like two teenage girls over the pranks they think they get away with.
#13. To: Badeye (#10)
(Edited)
Its Owe-bama's Vietnam now.
#14. To: mininggold (#8)
#15. To: no gnu taxes (#14)
I think you should inform the bridge overpass dweller Erica that I'm not Dondero (I believe it has me filtered). It's laughable that he thinks I am.
#16. To: Skip Intro (#11)
Real engineers have the title P.E. Without it, they can't call themselves "engineers".
#17. To: mininggold (#13)
#18. To: Badeye (#17)
(Edited)
Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny. And nope, it was JFK and LBJ's 'war'. Owe-bama is doing the same thing LBJ did.
#19. To: no gnu taxes (#16)
I do have a PE designation, but it is not necessary for me to be an engineer.
#20. To: mininggold (#18)
Only a kook finds 50 thousand plus Americans dead funny
#21. To: Skip Intro (#19)
#22. To: mininggold (#18)
Vietnam is now Nixon's war.
#23. To: war (#22)
Ford's isn't it?
#24. To: mininggold (#18)
No one said anything was funny about American dead and you know it.
#25. To: mininggold (#18)
Vietnam is now Nixon's war.
#26. To: Thunderbird (#25)
In my opinion it will always be Gen. Westmoreland's war.
#27. To: Badeye (#24)
Thats on Saint JFK and LBJ. Period.
#28. To: war, mininggold (#26)
Funny...I've always viewed it as Nixon's war.
#29. To: mininggold (#23)
(Edited)
But it was under Nixon we invaded Cambodia
President Kerry seared into his mind the memory of his Cambodian heroics on that important Christmas Day.
#30. To: Liberator (#28)
(Edited)
#31. To: war (#30)
(Edited)
There is no doubt that Nixon, in the 1950's, was posturing the US for all out war in VietNam.
#32. To: Liberator (#31)
How do you define it?
#33. To: Liberator (#31)
As VP, he certainly had minimal influence at the State Dept
#34. To: war (#32)
SEATO.
#35. To: war (#33)
He was Ike's point man on Viet Nam.
#36. To: Liberator (#34)
#37. To: war (#36)
Our active involvement began when we refused to accept the results of the 1954 election that we insisted take place.
#38. To: Liberator (#35)
We don't know what Nixon might have done in Nam or elsewhere had he properly been President in 1961-1965.
#39. To: Liberator (#37)
#40. To: war (#38)
"Properly"?
#41. To: war (#39)
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