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Title: Recession in U.S. Was Even Worse Than Estimated, Revisions Show
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URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010- ... ed-revisions-to-data-show.html
Published: Jul 30, 2010
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2010-07-30 09:05:40 by go65
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Views: 55649
Comments: 96
The worst U.S. recession since the 1930s was even deeper than previously estimated, reflecting bigger slumps in consumer spending and housing, according to revised figures. The world’s largest economy shrank 4.1 percent from the fourth quarter of 2007 to the second quarter of 2009, compared with the 3.7 percent drop previously on the books, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. Household spending fell 1.2 percent in 2009, twice as much as previously projected and the biggest decline since 1942. “We do tend to get bigger revisions at turning points in the economy,” Steven Landefeld, director of the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis, said in a press conference this week. On the more positive side, “in the past, we’ve tended to undershoot the recovery” as well, he said. The data better explain why the jobless rate doubled, reaching a 26-year high of 10.1 percent in October, and has been slow to subside. The government also boosted personal income levels for each of the past three years, propelling the savings rate higher and signaling households are further along the process of repairing finances. The rebound from the recession has been more subdued in the last six months of 2009, as the economy grew at an average 3.3 annual pace from July 2009 through December, instead of the 3.9 percent previously projected. Lehman Collapse The worst quarter of the current economic slump is now the final three months of 2008, in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., rather than the first quarter of 2009. GDP shrank at a 6.8 percent pace from October to December 2008, exceeding the prior estimate of 5.4 percent, making it the deepest quarterly drop since 1980. The new data showed the peak of the last expansion occurred in the fourth quarter of 2007 rather than the second quarter of 2008. The figures are more in sync with the recession chronology prescribed by the National Bureau of Economic Research, the accepted arbiter of U.S. business cycles. The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based private group determined the slump began in December 2007, and has yet to announce when it ended. Consumer purchases, which account for 70 percent of the economy, were cut for each of the past three years, with the biggest reduction taking place last year. Less spending on services than previously estimated, including financial services and auto repair, was responsible for the change. Services Revised Data on services, which make up almost 90 percent of the economy, are less timely than figures on manufacturing and are therefore subject to larger revisions, the BEA’s Landefeld said in the press conference. Efforts are under way that will make it possible for the government to measure consumer spending at almost all service industries by 2013, said Landefeld. Starting this year, coverage will improve to about 39 percent from 19 percent in prior years. Personal income was revised up by $18.2 billion in 2007, by $152.3 billion in 2008, and by $155.9 billion last year, the report showed. Part of the reason for the improvement was that corporate dividends didn’t plunge as much as previously estimated. Disposable income, or the money left over after taxes, grew 1.5 percent a year on average during from 2007 through 2009, compared with a prior projection of 1.2 percent. More Savings Higher incomes and less spending meant bigger savings as a proportion of disposable income, the revisions showed. The savings rate reached 7.2 percent in the second quarter of 2009, the highest since 1992. Residential construction fell at a 22 percent annual pace during the 2007-2009 period, one percentage point more than previously reported for what was already the worst housing slump since the Great Depression. The government revised pre-tax corporate profits down for each of the three years. The biggest change was a $97.6 billion reduction, or 7.2 percent cut, in 2008. The drop was mainly among financial institutions, indicating the financial crisis was more severe than previously estimated. Price measures including the Federal Reserve’s preferred inflation gauge -- which tracks consumer spending and excludes food and fuel -- were little changed during the 2007 to 2009 timeframe, the new figures showed. The revisions are part of the government’s annual updates derived from broader, more complete, surveys. The Commerce Department also reported today that the economy grew at a 2.4 percent annual rate from April through June following a 3.7 percent pace of expansion in the first quarter that was previously reported as a 2.7 percent gain.
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Posted already but with a slightly modified title...[snicker]
usually the site software is pretty good at catching duplicates, unless of course folks modify titles ;-)
10 bucks and my left nut says yours stays and mine doesn't...
:-)
aka loser has been on your case lately. I think someone(s) been coaching him.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
Nah, more like deeply repressed feelings.
You can keep chanting yer mantra that "It's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault", but you know full well the economic downturn should rightfully be blamed on the Pelosi/Reid-led Congress of 2007-2008. RATS purposely talked down the Bush economy and instituted damaging legislation in their EEEVIL--and ultimately successful--Jihad fer Power!! And the braindead Obamabot RAT-MORONS cheered him oin every step of the way... Ain't U proud of yerselves?! Sheeesh...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, On the other hand Republicans have been modeling positive, confidence boosting, responsibility taking behavior - not.
Our resident Zerobots when Il Douche is grabbing even more power
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meet the new boss The last gasp of a dying Republic is a "living, breathing Constitution."
We're now calling this a Depression. Words America will never hear.
No argument there, ma'am...Dubyuh ultimately signed whatever KRAP Pelosi/Reid put into law (I don't believe the RATS passed anything significant over Bush's veto, did they??) and I hold Dubyuh personally-responsible fer hiring Hank Paulson and then letting Paulson drive the American economy over the cliff with his Keynesian solutions to our economy that was already over-burdened with outta control Fed spending (authorized by Bush!!) This economic malaise can be laid directly of the feet of BOTH the RATS and the Milquetoast Moderate RINOS, but we gotta at least agree that our economic woes are a direct result of misguided DeeCee intervention in the free market system, right? Regards...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Wrong.
Weanie RINO-bastards like Lindsey Grahamnesty piss me off even more than the RAT-bastards becuz their gutlessness undermines everything the ReaganConservatives are trying to implement. Lindsey the Metrosexual Gamecock is just one in a long line of self-interested RINO idiots like Bobdole, RINO Jawn Warner, and Maverick John McCain who have permanently-stained the image of the Republican Party in the minds of a large segment of the electorate...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, So, you wanna pay a bunch of overpriced DeeCee RATS to tell us how to live our lives?! Brilliant plan, comrade...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, If we had gotten rid of welfare two decades ago we would be sitting on a pile of surplus.
Someone told me that he couldn't understand how I could be a Christian because I don't let anyone tell me what to do.
While you're busy resenting the poor, the top 10% are making off with the loot.
God said if you don't work you don't eat. You said you're a christian.
That's an absolute bald faced lie.
war you are the forum spinner and liar. It is an opinion. If those people had been forced to work they would not have been sucking the govt tit. They would have been filling it back up with the taxes they paid.
Over the past 30 years what has unemployment averaged? For a good portion of the last three decades people who WANTED work couldn't find it. Your statement has no basis in fact whatsoever.
Fuck you, asswipe.
Taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is stealing.
Jesus said a lot about caring for the poor, but I don't recall that He blamed them for their economic condition.
No. Fuck You war. Cat got your tongue?
He said if you don't work you don't eat. I have nothing against poor people. Sometimes I feel poor. There are many millions of people who milk the system so they can sit around all day long. That is the people I am talking about. If they didn't tax us so much we would spend money in the economy and that would provide jobs for people who want to work. Welfare has made many of our people like zoo animals.
And yet Jesus told the Pharisees to pay their taxes without one word about who the collected taxes benefited.
Goldi, you're supposed to present some modicum of fairness to the forum.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
No he didn't. He said if you are caesars then by all means give your money to caesar. Are you caesars or Gods? God also gave out the legitimate functions of govt. Redistribution wasn't one of them.
start here mama
Goldi, did you just do one of your stealth bans?
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
In a sermon on judgment, a minister said if you knew all the circumstances of a person's life, you might just marvel at how well they were doing rather than judge how far short they fall.
Thou shall not steal.
You gonna watch the video when you get a chance? I think you will learn something. We can all learn something.
What Bible are you reading from?
Give unto caesar what is caesars. Is your labor caesars?
I'm not your mama, and I'm off to a meeting. Later days dude.
Have a good day mom. And do take a look at the video I provided you. Then you will understand where I am coming from. Then you can tell me where I and Pastor Butch are wrong.
Do we have another Junior Goldi here? Tull just couldn't stand it that Stone let him post here and I knew that Junior Goldi would eventually take the easy way out and buckle under the pressure.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
have I ever edited a single comment of yours? Have I ever told you what to post? Have I ever threatened to ban you? Do I have more free speech then any other board run by McIvers software? Have I ever said an unkind word to you. If your answers aren't all YES then you aren't being honest.
Also war is still here. He can post anytime he wishes. I did tell him to chill out though.
My your god complex is getting really huge. Do you toy with posters you disagree with by unethically changing their posting ID and make vague threats of banning or similiar after calling them some nasty name? If you don't answer yes you are being dishonest. You reap what you sow, boy.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
You need to chill yourself. Give yourself a time out too. You started the name calling by your action and yet seem to not be able to take it in return.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Yep I changed wars name. When someone lies I will tell them so. Now your turn to answer.
Now your turn to answer. A difference of opinion is a lie to you? Hokay. But war proved you to be weak and silly to boot.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
41, and do you like Zeppelin? I love that song.
If you or I do it, then yes, you're right. If the government does it, it becomes "fiscal policy." Since the government decides what is legal and what is not, anything they do automatically becomes legal. See the difference?
So legal isn't right and it isn't even lawful. I understand.
I was being sarcastic. Your points are, in my opinion, correct. The Federal Leviathan, however, cares little about objectivist ideas like "right" or "wrong." If it's good for them, it's "right." And so on...
I'm still going through my posts. It would be hard to actually know if you edited them or not as I don't save the originals. I've already listened to enough Led Zepellin to last me a lifetime. It seems to be a favorite of white felons.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Mt 25 :34 “Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ’Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ’Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?’ And the king will answer them, ’Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren, you did it to me.’ ”
And the 'good for them' changes with the needs of those who are in power. Like now, those in power seem to need endless wars, with the endless hype of soldier worshipping.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
When the govt steals the peoples money. It makes it harder for them to be charitable and help the poor. You see individuals can see who really needs help and help them if they are able or willing. The govt taking our money and making people jump through hoops and paperwork and lines. They can't ferret out the sponges. It is the govts job to give us an equal playing field. It isn't their job to take from the productive by force and give to the lazy. That is a task for individuals to do. When the state takes it over that is not the same thing.
Then quit defending Obama all the time.
When the govt steals the peoples money. It makes it harder for them to be charitable and help the poor. You see individuals can see who really needs help and help them if they are able or willing. The govt taking our money and making people jump through hoops and paperwork and lines. They can't ferret out the sponges. It is the govts job to give us an equal playing field. It isn't their job to take from the productive by force and give to the lazy. That is a task for individuals to do. When the state takes it over that is not the same thing. He rebutted your opinion with a Bible quote, now if your opinion is true you should be able to easily find the quote that backs it up. Another opinion is not in order here.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Then show me where I've defended him 'all the time'. You need to realize that because I don't have the zealotry to denounce him with with every breath doesn't make me a fan..
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
2 Thessalonians 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he[a] received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. 10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. 12 Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
The "tradition" = Christianity The "bread" = Jesus body that each person accepts or rejects individually. The "word" = spreading the Gospel so that others may learn the "tradition", do his own "works" and have his own "bread". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul was trying to build a church while suffering severe persecution. He used code words, aka "Shibboleth", when he communicated.
And even tho you didn't ask for one, I will apologize for my language. There are just some things that I don't "cotton" well to and being called a "liar" is one of them - especially in matters of opinion.
People weren't taxed in the time of Matthew? Tax collectors didn't leave people in total poverty back then? It was easier to be charitable?
The WORST three months were BEFORE Obama took office. Not after. The wife was the brains of your operation, eh?
Oh . . . mmm... Oh-oh! Let me take you there!! Vote fer...Vote fer yer freedom now!! Ah, oh, oh! Mudboy Slim (30 July 2010) "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Good thing too.
Give it a rest, Banjo Boy2.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
Only my children have the right to call me "mom". Then you will understand where I am coming from. Then you can tell me where I and Pastor Butch are wrong. Pastor Butch has more to say about government in one sermon than Jesus is recorded to have said in the whole NT.
Then perhaps you're not giving enough. Malachi 3:10-11 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground. Does God speak the truth or not?
WAAAHHH...you've become quite the gutless WUSSY over the years, Ethyl... I remember back when you had some spunk...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Perhaps yer an Obamabot WHORE HOO believes NO AMOUNT of renumeration bestowed upon Caesar is ENUFF!! These days, we just refer to folks like YOU as Useful IDIOTS fer the RAT- Messiah!! Then again, U already knew that, didn't U, ma'am?! Regards...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Always playin' the ROLE of VICTIM, ain't ya, ma'am?! Do U like being perceived as helpless victims, my Obamabot compadres?! Personally, I think U come accross as greedy li'l Marxist EffeteElite sheysters...Y don't U just git a friggin' REAL job and quit sponging off the American taxpayer?!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Waaahhh...can't call me a hypocrit, can ya, buddy?
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That would be your problem.
POOR "lucy".
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
Always playin' the ROLE of VICTIM, ain't ya, ma'am?! Do U like being perceived as helpless victims, my Obamabot compadres?!" Mom would be the last thing on my mind to call her gubmint, teat-suckin kind, but it's not fit for print! Original Song Title: "Beverly Hills" Fwiw...y'all would probably see eye2eye on much of yer blind allegience 2 the ObamaNation**...MUD BTW...**and I am NOT saying that as a compliment, mind you...LOL!!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Your wife likes Obama. Sounds like grounds for divorce.
BTW...the World ain't ending, RG, but the Federal Leviathan is about to git a long overdue HAIRCUT...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Well, that and the fact that she actually had my son supporting the RAT-Messiah as well...YIKES!! "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, BTW...divorce becomes final on 1 August 2010... "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I've had to deal with this in my own family...my g-son to be exact. I found the best way to explain 'socialism' to him was the story about the waitress and her ($5) tip, and the homeless dude outside. The customer passed a homeless man outside the restaurant, he went inside and sat down. His waitress came over and he noticed she was wearing an Obama pin, so he asked her if she was a Socialist...she said no. So after he finished eating, he tried to explain to her what Obama meant by "sharing the wealth". He told the waitress that she had just earned herself a $5 tip, but he wasn't going to give it to her but give it to the homeless dude outside...and spread the wealth. She said that it wasn't fair, but he said that is exactly what you will get with Obama, your hard earned dollars will go to those who did not earn it!
Do bofe of you plan on celebrating?
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
And here I was just getting used to Stymie.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
Actually, yes, Fred...we shall be dining out together with the kids...we're still a family, we're not enemies by any means...she's an excellent mother and that's what's really important...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Someday, when I complete the transcript on the book I've been writing fer the last baker's dozen years, I'll shed some light on the number my father-in-law did on my soon2BX-wife...he's a nice guy now, but both his kids hadta deal with a lotta Lib'ral baggage. It's tough...I thought it was something she would grow out of, but it's ingrained...it's a friggin' MENTAL DISEASE. But I survived, thank God, Reagan, and Rush...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That's good, especially for the kids.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
Well well well, li'l miss prissy...HOO said eye had a "problem"? Huh-rummmph...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, On that, we agree, my ol' FRiend...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, splat
Sorry. Bad joke on my part.
LOL...no, not at all...my politics certainly played a part in my wife's decision that she didn't think she could put up with MUD as her husband fer the rest of her life...and it wasn't like I was gonna sit on the sidelines 4ever just becuz the thought of any level of notoriety--fer something non- architectural--was strongly frowned upon. Sometimes, when she thought I was asleep, I'd hear her quietly chanting in my ear, "George Soros is the Answer...Marxism is our Friend!! George Soros is the Answer...Marxism is our Friend!! George Soros is the Answer...Marxism is our Friend!!" over and over again...so I'm pretty sure Soros is behind all of this KRAP...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "Do bofe of you plan on celebrating?" Hush your mouth fred...&;-) I'm sorry about your divorce MS, sometimes it's for the best, and I hope things work out ok for you. I divorced my husband in 05' after 35yrs, but we are still together (in sin lol), and will celebrate our 39th aniversary August 21st! We couldn't be happier. Sometimes we have to hit bottom, and work our way back up....jmo
PING to above...lol!
Sorry to hear about your divorce.
Appreciate it, y'all...not something I would wish upon the children of any of those I disagree with...but both our young'uns know BOTH their parents love 'em with everything we've got and are gonna be there for them no matter what...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Nothing to sneeze at, RG...congrats to both of you...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,The worst quarter of the current economic slump is now the final three months of 2008
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#2. To: go65 (#1)
(Edited)
#3. To: war (#2)
Posted already but with a slightly modified title...[snicker]
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#4. To: go65 (#3)
#5. To: war (#4)
10 bucks and my left nut says yours stays and mine doesn't...
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#6. To: war (#4)
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
#8. To: go65, war, nolu_chan, Dr. Skippy, Brian S (#1)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#9. To: Mudboy Slim (#8)
You can keep chanting yer mantra that "It's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault", but you know full well the economic downturn should rightfully be blamed on the Pelosi/Reid-led Congress of 2007-2008. RATS purposely talked down the Bush economy...
#10. To: Mudboy Slim, war, Freddie, bartcop (#8)
Same as the old boss
#11. To: lucysmom (#9)
Title: Recession in U.S. Was Even Worse Than Estimated, Revisions Show
#12. To: lucysmom (#9)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#13. To: Mudboy Slim (#12)
...we gotta at least agree that our economic woes are a direct result of misguided DeeCee intervention in the free market system, right?
#14. To: Ignore Amos (#10)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#15. To: lucysmom (#13)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#16. To: lucysmom (#13)
#17. To: Mudboy Slim (#15)
So, you wanna pay a bunch of overpriced DeeCee RATS to tell us how to live our lives?!
#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)
If we had gotten rid of welfare two decades ago we would be sitting on a pile of surplus.
#19. To: lucysmom (#18)
#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)
(Edited)
#21. To: war (#20)
#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
you are the forum spinner and liar
#24. To: war (#22)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#19)
God said if you don't work you don't eat.
#26. To: war (#23)
(Edited)
#27. To: lucysmom (#25)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is stealing.
#29. To: A K A Stone (#26)
#30. To: lucysmom (#28)
And yet Jesus told the Pharisees to pay their taxes without one word about who the collected taxes benefited.
#31. To: lucysmom (#28)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Cat got your tongue?
#33. To: A K A Stone (#27)
There are many millions of people who milk the system so they can sit around all day long. That is the people I am talking about. If they didn't tax us so much we would spend money in the economy and that would provide jobs for people who want to work. Welfare has made many of our people like zoo animals.
#34. To: lucysmom (#33)
In a sermon on judgment, a minister said if you knew all the circumstances of a person's life, you might just marvel at how well they were doing rather than judge how far short they fall.
#35. To: lucysmom (#33)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#30)
He said if you are caesars then by all means give your money to caesar.
#37. To: lucysmom (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#31)
#39. To: lucysmom (#38)
#40. To: Fred Mertz (#29)
Goldi, you're supposed to present some modicum of fairness to the forum.
#41. To: mininggold (#40)
#42. To: mininggold (#40)
#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)
have I ever edited a single comment of yours? Have I ever told you what to post? Have I ever threatened to ban you? Do I have more free speech then any other board run by McIvers software? Have I ever said an unkind word to you. If your answers aren't all YES then you aren't being honest.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Also war is still here. He can post anytime he wishes. I did tell him to chill out though.
#45. To: mininggold (#43)
#46. To: mininggold (#44)
#47. To: A K A Stone (#45)
Yep I changed wars name. When someone lies I will tell them so.
#48. To: mininggold (#47)
#49. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is stealing.
#50. To: Capitalist Eric (#49)
#51. To: A K A Stone (#50)
So legal isn't right and it isn't even lawful. I understand.
#52. To: A K A Stone (#48)
41, and do you like Zeppelin? I love that song.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#19)
God said if you don't work you don't eat. You said you're a christian.
#54. To: Capitalist Eric (#51)
If it's good for them, it's "right." And so on...
#55. To: Bartcoprules (#53)
#56. To: mininggold (#54)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#55)
(Edited)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#56)
Then quit defending Obama all the time.
#59. To: mininggold (#58)
#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)
(Edited)
#61. To: A K A Stone (#26)
#62. To: A K A Stone (#55)
#63. To: Mudboy Slim (#8)
#64. To: war, buckeroo, backhoe, Bill D Berger, padlock, yukon, A K A Stone, palo verde, go65 (#63)
(Edited)
I never claimed 2 B "smart", mi compadre, just WISER than any Leftist...
(To be sung to Staple Sisters' "I'll Take You There")
I know a place...
RATS're always lyin'...
State-run Media's worried...
Statists just debase US!!
Mmm, no BO!!
Lyin' 'cuz Left's RACIST!!
Help me, come on, come on...
Somebody, help me now...
(Right Hath No Fear!!)
Help me, ya'all...
(Marxists R queeird...)
Help me now...
(RATS ain't sincere!!)
NO!! >:(
(Right Hath NO FEAR!!)
Oh! Oh! Mercy!
(Left's HollyWeird!!)
Oh, let me take you there...
(MUD'll take you there...)
(I'll take you there...)
We're Right!!
Ah . . . do it . . . to it...
Come on now...
Pray on it, pray on it...
Barry!! Barry!! Barry!!
RAT-Lord...
Right fights Power!!
Barry's sleazy power...
Now, come on, Lib'ral Statists...
I'll fight...
Dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb...
Mock 'im, sock 'im...
Kenya birthplace, ya'all...
(I'll take U there...)
Saint Obama's LYIN'!!
(Right hath NO FEAR!!)
Saint Obama's SQUIRRELLY!!
(Marxists R queeird...) ;)
Self-righteous RACISTS!!
(BO's got HUUUGE ears!!)
Uh-uh...
(Lyin' 'cuz Left's RACIST!! >:D)
November's near!!
Yes, so...
YO!!
(Right Hath NO FEAR!!)
Oh oh oh!
(This is Truth's year...)
Mercy?! NO!!
(This is OUR year!!)
Left's bawlin' fallin' crawlin'...TURKEYS!!
(Left's HollyWeird...)
Turkeys..turkeys...
(Right Hath NO FEAR!!)
Let me...
(RATS should BEWARE!!)
Oh oh!
I'll take you there...
(Right'll lead you there...)
Oh oh oh oh
Wanna take you there!
(RATS shall dispair!!)
Tuff Syntaurs in my band...
Let me...
(MUD'll take you there...)
Let me, let me, let me lead the way
Oh!
(Right'll take you there...)
Beck'll join US there...
(Right Hath NO FEAR!!)
Let me take you there!
(RATS should BEWARE!!)
RATS beguilin' RACISTS!!
(I'll take you, Barry...)
Up in here, lyin' 'cuz Left's RACIST!!
(I'll take you, fairy...)
You oughta, you gotta gotta come let me, let me...
(We'll WHUP RAT-fairies!!)
Take you, take you, take you over there
(I'll take you there)
Ooh!
Oh! Oh!
We're Right!!
(Right leads you there...)
Oh-oh! We're Right!
(I'll take you there)
Oh! Oh!
(I'll take you there)
Mmmm . . . ah
Oh! Yeah!
(I'll take you there)
Whoa!
(I'll take you there)
Let me lead the way
(I'll take you there)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#65. To: Mudboy Slim (#64)
I never claimed 2 B "smart"
#66. To: Mudboy Slim (#64)
#67. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Have a good day mom.
#68. To: A K A Stone (#55)
When the govt steals the peoples money. It makes it harder for them to be charitable and help the poor.
#69. To: Fred Mertz (#66)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#70. To: lucysmom (#68)
"...perhaps you're not giving enough."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#71. To: lucysmom (#67)
(Edited)
"Only my children have the right to call me "mom"."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#72. To: war (#65)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#73. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
Personally, I think U come accross as...
#74. To: lucysmom, Mudboy Slim (#73)
#75. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
"Only my children have the right to call me "mom"."
#76. To: war (#63)
"The wife was the brains of your operation, eh?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#77. To: Mudboy Slim (#76)
#78. To: Murron (#75)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#79. To: A K A Stone (#77)
(Edited)
But I fixed that...he ain't no Obamabot fan no mo...MUD
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#80. To: A K A Stone (#77)
17 years and one day from when we took our wedding vows on 31 July 1993...MUD
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#81. To: A K A Stone, Mudboy Slim (#77)
Your wife likes Obama. Sounds like grounds for divorce.
#82. To: Mudboy Slim (#80)
BTW...divorce becomes final on 1 August 2010...
#83. To: Fred Mertz (#82)
#84. To: Fred Mertz (#82)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#85. To: Murron (#81)
"I found the best way to explain 'socialism' to him..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#86. To: Mudboy Slim (#84)
#87. To: lucysmom (#73)
"That would be your problem."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#88. To: Fred Mertz (#86)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#89. To: Mudboy Slim (#87)
Huh-rummmph...MUD
#90. To: Mudboy Slim (#80)
#91. To: A K A Stone (#90)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#92. To: Fred Mertz (#82)
"BTW...divorce becomes final on 1 August 2010..."
#93. To: Mudboy Slim (#92)
#94. To: Mudboy Slim (#91)
#95. To: lucysmom, Murron (#94)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#96. To: Murron (#92)
"...will celebrate our 39th aniversary August 21st!"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
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