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Title: Recession in U.S. Was Even Worse Than Estimated, Revisions Show
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010- ... ed-revisions-to-data-show.html
Published: Jul 30, 2010
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2010-07-30 09:05:40 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 55696
Comments: 96

The worst U.S. recession since the 1930s was even deeper than previously estimated, reflecting bigger slumps in consumer spending and housing, according to revised figures.

The world’s largest economy shrank 4.1 percent from the fourth quarter of 2007 to the second quarter of 2009, compared with the 3.7 percent drop previously on the books, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. Household spending fell 1.2 percent in 2009, twice as much as previously projected and the biggest decline since 1942.

“We do tend to get bigger revisions at turning points in the economy,” Steven Landefeld, director of the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis, said in a press conference this week. On the more positive side, “in the past, we’ve tended to undershoot the recovery” as well, he said.

The data better explain why the jobless rate doubled, reaching a 26-year high of 10.1 percent in October, and has been slow to subside. The government also boosted personal income levels for each of the past three years, propelling the savings rate higher and signaling households are further along the process of repairing finances.

The rebound from the recession has been more subdued in the last six months of 2009, as the economy grew at an average 3.3 annual pace from July 2009 through December, instead of the 3.9 percent previously projected.

Lehman Collapse

The worst quarter of the current economic slump is now the final three months of 2008, in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., rather than the first quarter of 2009. GDP shrank at a 6.8 percent pace from October to December 2008, exceeding the prior estimate of 5.4 percent, making it the deepest quarterly drop since 1980.

The new data showed the peak of the last expansion occurred in the fourth quarter of 2007 rather than the second quarter of 2008. The figures are more in sync with the recession chronology prescribed by the National Bureau of Economic Research, the accepted arbiter of U.S. business cycles. The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based private group determined the slump began in December 2007, and has yet to announce when it ended.

Consumer purchases, which account for 70 percent of the economy, were cut for each of the past three years, with the biggest reduction taking place last year. Less spending on services than previously estimated, including financial services and auto repair, was responsible for the change.

Services Revised

Data on services, which make up almost 90 percent of the economy, are less timely than figures on manufacturing and are therefore subject to larger revisions, the BEA’s Landefeld said in the press conference.

Efforts are under way that will make it possible for the government to measure consumer spending at almost all service industries by 2013, said Landefeld. Starting this year, coverage will improve to about 39 percent from 19 percent in prior years.

Personal income was revised up by $18.2 billion in 2007, by $152.3 billion in 2008, and by $155.9 billion last year, the report showed. Part of the reason for the improvement was that corporate dividends didn’t plunge as much as previously estimated.

Disposable income, or the money left over after taxes, grew 1.5 percent a year on average during from 2007 through 2009, compared with a prior projection of 1.2 percent.

More Savings

Higher incomes and less spending meant bigger savings as a proportion of disposable income, the revisions showed. The savings rate reached 7.2 percent in the second quarter of 2009, the highest since 1992.

Residential construction fell at a 22 percent annual pace during the 2007-2009 period, one percentage point more than previously reported for what was already the worst housing slump since the Great Depression.

The government revised pre-tax corporate profits down for each of the three years. The biggest change was a $97.6 billion reduction, or 7.2 percent cut, in 2008. The drop was mainly among financial institutions, indicating the financial crisis was more severe than previously estimated.

Price measures including the Federal Reserve’s preferred inflation gauge -- which tracks consumer spending and excludes food and fuel -- were little changed during the 2007 to 2009 timeframe, the new figures showed.

The revisions are part of the government’s annual updates derived from broader, more complete, surveys.

The Commerce Department also reported today that the economy grew at a 2.4 percent annual rate from April through June following a 3.7 percent pace of expansion in the first quarter that was previously reported as a 2.7 percent gain.

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#21. To: war (#20)

war you are the forum spinner and liar. It is an opinion. If those people had been forced to work they would not have been sucking the govt tit. They would have been filling it back up with the taxes they paid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Over the past 30 years what has unemployment averaged?

For a good portion of the last three decades people who WANTED work couldn't find it.

Your statement has no basis in fact whatsoever.

war  posted on  2010-07-30   11:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)

you are the forum spinner and liar

Fuck you, asswipe.

war  posted on  2010-07-30   11:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#22)

Taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is stealing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#19)

God said if you don't work you don't eat.

Jesus said a lot about caring for the poor, but I don't recall that He blamed them for their economic condition.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-30   11:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#23) (Edited)

No. Fuck You war. Cat got your tongue?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#25)

He said if you don't work you don't eat.

I have nothing against poor people. Sometimes I feel poor. There are many millions of people who milk the system so they can sit around all day long. That is the people I am talking about. If they didn't tax us so much we would spend money in the economy and that would provide jobs for people who want to work. Welfare has made many of our people like zoo animals.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#24)

Taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is stealing.

And yet Jesus told the Pharisees to pay their taxes without one word about who the collected taxes benefited.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-30   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Goldi, you're supposed to present some modicum of fairness to the forum.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-30   11:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#28)

And yet Jesus told the Pharisees to pay their taxes without one word about who the collected taxes benefited.

No he didn't.

He said if you are caesars then by all means give your money to caesar.

Are you caesars or Gods?

God also gave out the legitimate functions of govt. Redistribution wasn't one of them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#28)

start here mama

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Cat got your tongue?

Goldi, did you just do one of your stealth bans?

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-30   11:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#27)

There are many millions of people who milk the system so they can sit around all day long. That is the people I am talking about. If they didn't tax us so much we would spend money in the economy and that would provide jobs for people who want to work. Welfare has made many of our people like zoo animals.

In a sermon on judgment, a minister said if you knew all the circumstances of a person's life, you might just marvel at how well they were doing rather than judge how far short they fall.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-30   11:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#33)

In a sermon on judgment, a minister said if you knew all the circumstances of a person's life, you might just marvel at how well they were doing rather than judge how far short they fall.

Thou shall not steal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#33)

You gonna watch the video when you get a chance? I think you will learn something. We can all learn something.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#30)

He said if you are caesars then by all means give your money to caesar.

What Bible are you reading from?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-30   11:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#36)

Give unto caesar what is caesars. Is your labor caesars?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#31)

I'm not your mama, and I'm off to a meeting.

Later days dude.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-30   11:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#38)

Have a good day mom.

And do take a look at the video I provided you. Then you will understand where I am coming from. Then you can tell me where I and Pastor Butch are wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

Goldi, you're supposed to present some modicum of fairness to the forum.

Do we have another Junior Goldi here? Tull just couldn't stand it that Stone let him post here and I knew that Junior Goldi would eventually take the easy way out and buckle under the pressure.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   11:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#40)

have I ever edited a single comment of yours? Have I ever told you what to post? Have I ever threatened to ban you? Do I have more free speech then any other board run by McIvers software? Have I ever said an unkind word to you. If your answers aren't all YES then you aren't being honest.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   11:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#40)

Also war is still here. He can post anytime he wishes. I did tell him to chill out though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)

have I ever edited a single comment of yours? Have I ever told you what to post? Have I ever threatened to ban you? Do I have more free speech then any other board run by McIvers software? Have I ever said an unkind word to you. If your answers aren't all YES then you aren't being honest.

My your god complex is getting really huge. Do you toy with posters you disagree with by unethically changing their posting ID and make vague threats of banning or similiar after calling them some nasty name? If you don't answer yes you are being dishonest. You reap what you sow, boy.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#42)

Also war is still here. He can post anytime he wishes. I did tell him to chill out though.

You need to chill yourself. Give yourself a time out too. You started the name calling by your action and yet seem to not be able to take it in return.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mininggold (#43)

Yep I changed wars name. When someone lies I will tell them so.

Now your turn to answer.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#44)

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45)

Yep I changed wars name. When someone lies I will tell them so.

Now your turn to answer.

A difference of opinion is a lie to you? Hokay. But war proved you to be weak and silly to boot.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#47)

41, and do you like Zeppelin? I love that song.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#24)

Taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is stealing.

If you or I do it, then yes, you're right.

If the government does it, it becomes "fiscal policy."

Since the government decides what is legal and what is not, anything they do automatically becomes legal.

See the difference?

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-07-30   12:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Capitalist Eric (#49)

So legal isn't right and it isn't even lawful. I understand.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone (#50)

So legal isn't right and it isn't even lawful. I understand.

I was being sarcastic.

Your points are, in my opinion, correct.

The Federal Leviathan, however, cares little about objectivist ideas like "right" or "wrong."

If it's good for them, it's "right." And so on...

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-07-30   12:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#48)

41, and do you like Zeppelin? I love that song.

I'm still going through my posts. It would be hard to actually know if you edited them or not as I don't save the originals.

I've already listened to enough Led Zepellin to last me a lifetime. It seems to be a favorite of white felons.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#19)

God said if you don't work you don't eat. You said you're a christian.

Mt 25 :34 “Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ’Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ’Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?’ And the king will answer them, ’Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren, you did it to me.’ ”

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-07-30   12:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Capitalist Eric (#51)

If it's good for them, it's "right." And so on...

And the 'good for them' changes with the needs of those who are in power. Like now, those in power seem to need endless wars, with the endless hype of soldier worshipping.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Bartcoprules (#53)

When the govt steals the peoples money. It makes it harder for them to be charitable and help the poor. You see individuals can see who really needs help and help them if they are able or willing. The govt taking our money and making people jump through hoops and paperwork and lines. They can't ferret out the sponges. It is the govts job to give us an equal playing field. It isn't their job to take from the productive by force and give to the lazy. That is a task for individuals to do. When the state takes it over that is not the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mininggold (#54)

Then quit defending Obama all the time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#55) (Edited)

When the govt steals the peoples money. It makes it harder for them to be charitable and help the poor. You see individuals can see who really needs help and help them if they are able or willing. The govt taking our money and making people jump through hoops and paperwork and lines. They can't ferret out the sponges. It is the govts job to give us an equal playing field. It isn't their job to take from the productive by force and give to the lazy. That is a task for individuals to do. When the state takes it over that is not the same thing.

He rebutted your opinion with a Bible quote, now if your opinion is true you should be able to easily find the quote that backs it up. Another opinion is not in order here.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Then quit defending Obama all the time.

Then show me where I've defended him 'all the time'. You need to realize that because I don't have the zealotry to denounce him with with every breath doesn't make me a fan..

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-30   12:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: mininggold (#58)

2 Thessalonians 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he[a] received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. 10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. 12 Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-30   12:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#59) (Edited)

The "tradition" = Christianity

The "bread" = Jesus body that each person accepts or rejects individually.

The "word" = spreading the Gospel so that others may learn the "tradition", do his own "works" and have his own "bread".

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Paul was trying to build a church while suffering severe persecution. He used code words, aka "Shibboleth", when he communicated.

war  posted on  2010-07-30   12:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone (#26)

And even tho you didn't ask for one, I will apologize for my language.

There are just some things that I don't "cotton" well to and being called a "liar" is one of them - especially in matters of opinion.

war  posted on  2010-07-30   12:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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