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Title: 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid.
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URL Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get ... atures/arguments-evolutionists
Published: Jul 16, 2010
Author: answersingenesis.org
Post Date: 2010-07-16 18:49:15 by no gnu taxes
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For years, we’ve maintained a list of arguments creationists should avoid. There are enough good arguments for biblical accuracy and a young earth that dubious claims can safely be discarded. Now we want to address a similar topic: arguments evolutionists should avoid. These worn-out tropes have not only passed their expiration date, but they never should have been made to begin with.

Argument1 Evolution is a fact

When our core beliefs are attacked, it’s often easy for humans to retreat to statements such as this: “My belief is a fact, and yours is wrong.” That’s exactly why we cannot trust mere human understanding to explain the unobservable past—emotion and pride get in the way. Evolution is not a fact, no matter how many times evolutionists say it is. It’s a framework built on assumptions about the past—assumptions that will never have direct, first-hand, observational proof.

Argument 2 Only the uneducated reject evolution

Besides the arrogance of such statements, this argument has no footing and should be cast off. Mainly, those who make this claim usually define “educated people” as those who accept evolution. Anyone who disagrees fails the test, no matter what their background (e.g., if we follow this ideology, Isaac Newton must have been uneducated). There are many lists of well-educated scholars who look to the Bible for answers (here’s one)—and we could point out Darwin’s own deficit of formal education (he earned a bachelor’s in theology). But the bigger issue is that education—or lack—does not guarantee the validity of a person’s position.

Argument 3 Overwhelming evidence in all fields of science supports evolution

The irony, of course, is that for centuries prior to Darwin’s publication of On the Origin of Species, the majority of scientists found the opposite to be true: the “evidence” supported creation. What changed? Not the evidence. Rather, the starting point changed (i.e., moving from the Bible, God’s Word, to humanism, man’s word). Creationists continue to see everything in light of God’s Word and all evidence as supporting the biblical account. In reality, there is no “neutral” starting point; everyone—whether they acknowledge it or not—interprets the “facts” according to a particular way of thinking (i.e., worldview).

Argument 4 Doubting evolution is like doubting gravity

Why does this argument fail? We’ll show you. Take a pencil or pen. Hold it in the air. Then drop it to the floor. That’s gravity. Next, make a single-celled organism—like an amoeba—turn into a goat. Go ahead. We’ll wait. . . . No? As you can see, there’s a fundamental difference between operational science, which can be tested through repeatable experimentation, and historical science, which cannot.

Argument 5 Doubting evolution is like believing the earth is flat

Ironically, the Bible describes the earth as round and hanging in space—long before this could have been directly observed (Job 26:10; Isaiah 40:22). The appeal of this claim is that it stereotypes creationists as stuck in the past, since the common assumption is that people once universally believed the earth was flat before science “proved” otherwise (which wasn’t the case—only a few bought into the idea that the earth was flat). But even if this were true (it’s not), direct, repeatable observation shows us the earth is round and orbiting the sun. Evolutionary stories about fossils are not direct observations; they’re assumption-based beliefs.

Argument 6 It’s here, so it must have evolved

A conclusion does not prove the premises are true. That is, if the answer is “four,” we could arrive at that any number of ways: 2 + 2, 5 - 1, etc. In the same way, evolutionists often assume that since certain species or traits exist, this is proof of evolution because that’s how it must have happened. This argument, however, is self-reflexive and useless. The Bible offers another (and more sound) framework for how those traits and species came to be.

Argument 7 Natural selection is evolution

This is likely the most abused argument on the list—and most in need of being scrapped. Often evolutionists bait people into showing them a change that is merely natural selection and then switch to say this proves molecules-to-man evolution. However, this is quite misleading. Natural selection, even according to evolutionists, does not have the power to generate anything “new.” The observable process can only act upon existing characteristics so that some members of a species are more likely to survive. In fact, it’s an important component of the biblical worldview.

Argument 8 Common design means common ancestry

Historical common descent is not and cannot be confirmed through observation. Rather, certain observations are explained by assumptions about the past. These observations, we might add, have alternative explanations. Common body plans (homology), for example, do not prove common descent—that’s an assumption. A common Designer fits the evidence just as well, if not better.

Argument 9 Sedimentary layers show millions of years of geological activity

Sedimentary layers show one thing: sedimentary layers. In other words, we can—and should—study the rocks, but the claim that rocks prove the earth must be billions of years old ignores one important point: such an interpretation is built upon a stack of assumptions. When we start from the Bible and examine the rocks within the framework of a global Flood, the need for long ages vanishes.

Argument 10 Mutations drive evolution

Perhaps because of movies and fiction, the popular idea is that mutations make evolution go. Given enough time, shifts in the genetic code will produce all the variety of plants and animals on earth—and beyond. The problem? Mutations cannot produce the types of changes evolution requires—not even close. Some may benefit an organism (e.g., beetles on a windy island losing wings), but virtually every time mutations come with a cost.

Argument 11 The Scopes trial

Misconceptions about the Scopes trial run rampant. Often, accounts sound something like this: Fundamentalist Christian bigots arrested an innocent biology teacher fighting for scientific freedom, and while they won the court case, they ultimately lost the public perception battle to the well reasoned presentation of the defense. Thanks to the play Inherit the Wind, this common—though completely flawed—perception of the event continues to be used against creationists. But real history presents a much different account.

Argument 12 Science vs. religion

News stories thrive on conflict and intrigue, and one common meme presents science and religion as opposing forces—reason struggling to overcome draconian divine revelation. It grabs attention, but it’s bunk. Many atheists and humanists oppose biblical Christianity, but science does not. After all, the truth of a risen Savior and an inerrant Bible puts quite the damper on the belief that God cannot exist. However, science, as a tool for research, works quite well within (and, in fact, requires) a God-created universe. Otherwise, there’d be no reason to do science in the first place.

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#70. To: Skip Intro (#64)

Maybe if you'd study Darwin's original works, you'd realize he was making a case blacks were inferior to whites.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-17   17:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: jwpegler (#61)

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall

You have a good point.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   17:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Skip Intro (#64)

You believe in evolution. I don't. Go fuck a monkey.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   17:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: jwpegler (#61) (Edited)

As long as you keep arguing ABRA CADABRA you don't have a salient point. Life was not formed by MAGIC.

And until you drop that infantile nonsense, you won't have one either. You're a smart dude, you're worth debating topics with. But this is not one of them.

The earth is BILLIONS of years old. Until you grasp that REALITY you're going to be nowhere near reality when it comes to this topic.

war  posted on  2010-07-17   19:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: jwpegler (#61)

You keep dancing around the FUNDAMENTAL issue.

Your "fundamental issue" is to ignore how the genetic tree of a species goes from specific to general. You claim humans cannot breed with apes. As primate, they are several times removed from them. But from Neanderthal, they are but one step removed as are wolves and German Shepards.

war  posted on  2010-07-17   19:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: A K A Stone (#68)

Everything.

war  posted on  2010-07-17   19:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A K A Stone (#65)

...evidence please.

You ***think*** the earth is a few thousand years old.

Evidence please.

"The Bible says so" is not evidence.

war  posted on  2010-07-17   19:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: no gnu taxes (#70)

Maybe if you'd study Darwin's original works, you'd realize he was making a case blacks were inferior to whites.

And if you'd pull your head out of George Bush's ass you might notice that evolutionary biology has moved far beyond Darwin.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   19:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Skip Intro (#77)

...evolutionary biology has moved far beyond Darwin.

I wonder if these kids would be willing to undergo major surgery with just a few sips of whiskey...?

war  posted on  2010-07-17   19:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war (#76)

"The Bible says so" is not evidence.

The bible contradicts itself constantly, which is exactly what one would expect from a work written by dozens or hundreds of different men at many different times in history.

Then, of course, it was edited, copied, edited, copied, edited, copied, edited, copied, each time introducing more changes and errors from previous scrolls.

You'd think that a god who was powerful enough to create everything could at the very least have left an original copy of "his" word, one that didn't rely on multiple translations to be understood.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   19:54:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: war (#78)

I wonder if these kids would be willing to undergo major surgery with just a few sips of whiskey...?

I'd have to see what the bible says about that to know for sure.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   19:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Skip Intro (#80)

Ask a Christian Scientist. I watched two that I loved dearly die because they wouldn't take medicine.

war  posted on  2010-07-17   21:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Skip Intro (#79)

The bible contradicts itself constantly

You are the one that contradicts himself. You are a fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: war (#73)

And until you drop that infantile nonsense, you won't have one either. You're a smart dude, you're worth debating topics with. But this is not one of them.

The earth is BILLIONS of years old. Until you grasp that REALITY you're going to be nowhere near reality when it comes to this topic.

You always talk shit. You just repeat something that is not proveable. You want to be right so bad that you will say anything. I pity you war. I mean you do nothing but sit on the computer all your waking hours. Get out and look at the world.

It is you that practice abra cadabra the spontaneous emergence of life from nothing.

I pity you fool

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: war (#76)

You ***think*** the earth is a few thousand years old.

Evidence please.

"The Bible says so" is not evidence.

The Bible is the record of people WHO WERE THERE at the beginning.

Evilution is not proveable because it has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED and NEVER WILL.

You are a pathetic human being. pitiful. You see yourself as wise but you are such a fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Skip Intro (#77)

And if you'd pull your head out of George Bush's ass you might notice that evolutionary biology has moved far beyond Darwin.

Yeah the fossils say GLOBAL FLOOD. You folks can keep shifting your theories but they are built on sand and you will have to move them over and over and over. You don't know what science is.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: war (#78)

You flat earthers are fools. When your scientists were saying flat earth christopher columbus read in the Bible that the earth was round and discovered America. The Bible has withstood many anvils. A featherweight such as yourself trying to be smarter then God is a sorry sight to see. You're such a little man. Er worm.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: no gnu taxes (#50)

I have notieced that every premise in this article is still standing. Nothing in the article has been shown to be incorrect. They can't refute one piece of this article.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#85)

Yeah the fossils say GLOBAL FLOOD.

Where did all the water go, Stone? Where did it come from? How high was the "flood"? Why are there layers of fresh water sediments below layers of salt water sediments?

There are many, many more complex questions I could ask but I doubt that you're up to answering these.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   21:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: A K A Stone (#86)

When your scientists were saying flat earth christopher columbus read in the Bible that the earth was round and discovered America.

Congratulations on the stupidest statement of the day. People have known for thousands of years that the earth wasn't flat.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   21:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: A K A Stone (#82)

You are the one that contradicts himself. You are a fool.

And you are a complete idiot. I have to assume that you've never bothered to read the bible.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   21:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Skip Intro (#88)

Where did all the water go, Stone? Where did it come from? How high was the "flood"? Why are there layers of fresh water sediments below layers of salt water sediments?

There are many, many more complex questions I could ask but I doubt that you're up to answering these.

The water came from the fountains of the deep and rain. They were opened up. If you read the Bible you would know that.

Do you have an explanation for fish fossils found in the sahrah desert?

Or how about the mythical explanation at Caesars Creek lake of a sea that they say existed out there "millions of years ago." right here in Ohio.

The waters receded back into the earth.

If there was already fresh water and the earth was flooded and salt water went everywhere then that is your explanation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Skip Intro (#89)

People have known for thousands of years that the earth wasn't flat.

Up until Columbus discovered America in 1492 it was common for people to fear sailing to far because they thought the earth was flat.

You're the stupid one. Learn some math. What is 2010-1492?

HINT IT ISN'T THOUSANDS.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Skip Intro (#90)

And you are a complete idiot. I have to assume that you've never bothered to read the bible.

you are the one who lied or was so fucking stupid that you didn't know that your own religion said that we come from monkeys. Like I said go FUCK A MONKEY. You think you came from them. Is that why you like Obama because you see him as monkey?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: A K A Stone (#91)

The water came from the fountains of the deep and rain.

Miles of water? That's what it would have to be for there to be fossils at the elevations they're found at. Then it all just "receded" back into the earth?

Really, I would think this would be too much for even you to swallow.

Not living in Ohio, I have no idea what Caesars Creek is.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   21:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Skip Intro (#93)

I'm still waiting on you to explain to us how the honey bee evolved without flowers. Or who flowers came to be without the honey bee.

Or how a chicken came into existence without an egg.

Not possible. Your theory just got destroyed. It is in the trash.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   21:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#95)

I'm still waiting on you to explain to us how the honey bee evolved without flowers. Or who flowers came to be without the honey bee.

Or how a chicken came into existence without an egg.

You're incapable of understanding it, so why bother?

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   22:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Skip Intro (#94)

Miles of water?

The earth is a big place. There would have to be a lot to cover ohio with a sea that they say used to exist at Caesars Creek. Lots of sea fossils there, right here in ohio.

Google it if you don't know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   22:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Skip Intro (#96)

You're incapable of understanding it, so why bother?

You can't answer it. Because it is IMPOSSIBLE. bock bock

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   22:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: A K A Stone (#97)

The earth is a big place.

New water miles high, covering the entire earth, then it just went away.

Jeez.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   22:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Skip Intro (#99)

It evaporated too. The Bible says there was no rain before the flood. The fountains naturally watered the plants. That changed after the flood.

Where could have that water in the sky came from you are probably wondering.

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   22:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: All (#96)

I'm still waiting on you to explain to us how the honey bee evolved without flowers.

Obviously the ancestor of the honey bee didn't use what you consider to be flowers.

Now tell me why there are two different creation stories in Genesis.

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-17   22:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Skip Intro (#101)

Obviously the ancestor of the honey bee didn't use what you consider to be flowers.

Show me some evidence. You folks just make stuff up as you go. Then you get disproved and you make something else up. You are a member of a cult.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-17   22:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: A K A Stone (#102)

You are a member of a cult.

LOLOL

Thanks for the laugh Stoner...

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-17   22:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Skip Intro (#99)

New water miles high, covering the entire earth, then it just went away.

Jeez.

The poles must have instantly froze taking up all the excess water. The Bible didn't mention that though because no one knew where the poles were or even if there were any with the earth being flat an all. And funny how those wise old prophets from the Old Testament didn't predict the new world and the role it would have in the coming 2000 years.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-18   0:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: mininggold (#104)

even if there were any with the earth being flat

moron. The earth is round. The Bible said so since the beginning.

Are you into monkeys?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-18   7:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: A K A Stone (#92)

Up until Columbus discovered America in 1492 it was common for people to fear sailing to far because they thought the earth was flat.

There wasn't a sailor alive who believed so. Most of them also know that there WAS a "New World"; actually, they speculated an intermediary land mass that was probably just off the eastern coast of Asia.

The issue wasn't flatness. Any sailor knew celestial navigation would be impossible with a flat earth. The issue was CIRCUMFERENCE.

war  posted on  2010-07-18   8:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: A K A Stone (#86)

That's a total rewrite of reality. Scientists were being punished by CHURCH for their works including the shape of the earth or its place in the universe. See: Galileo. Who lived AFTER the time of Columbus.

war  posted on  2010-07-18   8:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: A K A Stone (#84)

The Bible is the record of people WHO WERE THERE at the beginning.

Oh...so people actually witnessed creation.

Cool.

There are some people who can receive a truth by no other way than to have their understanding shocked and insulted. -Carl Sandburg describing Creationists

war  posted on  2010-07-18   8:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: A K A Stone (#83)

I mean you do nothing but sit on the computer all your waking hours.

You know nothing about me and shove your pity up your ass.

There are some people who can receive a truth by no other way than to have their understanding shocked and insulted. -Carl Sandburg describing Creationists

war  posted on  2010-07-18   8:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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