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Title: Glenn Beck Sides With Nazis, Claims Jews Murdered Jesus
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RAW STORY
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0715/be ... -story-definition-word-victim/
Published: Jul 16, 2010
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2010-07-16 12:06:35 by Brian S
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Views: 16952
Comments: 13
That's just the tip of a bizarre rant recently aired by News Corporation, which featured the chalkboard-handy host once again assailing Christian social justice efforts, which many faithful see as core to their sacrament. In the process, however, Beck revealed what one prominent reverend called a fundamental "misunderstanding" of scripture, as well as an apparent detachment from the English language when it comes to the word "victim."
First of all, as the story goes, Jews did not kill Jesus. The Roman empire had him executed after Jewish religious leaders became worked into a frenzy over his ideas - or so the New Testament claims. Armed Roman guards allegedly beat and lashed him, then hung him on a cross until death
Indeed, claiming as fact that Jews killed Jesus would seem to indicate that Beck has adopted a meme otherwise endemic to antisemitic thought and literature. The implication that Romans were stalwarts of law and reason who merely appeased the bloodthirsty Jewish mob was a vital component of Nazi propaganda
Beck also suggests that calling Jesus the "victim" of a violent and oppressive system is "an abomination." Jesus, he insists, was really a "conqueror" who chose death at the hands of his own people in order to overcome the wages of sin for all humanity.
While an advanced theological argument could potentially be rendered to support this statement, all traces of logic seem missing. By its principle definition, what Beck is describing is victimhood. The word "victim" literally means a living being that is scarified to a deity
A nearly universal cornerstone of Christian theology holds that Christ's death washed away man's sin in God's eyes, therefore his sacrifice is a key moment in their religious rite. Logically, it would follow that without the fundamental construction of the Christian God, who measures ill-deeds against humanity and threatens impure souls with eternal punishment, there would be no such thing as "sin" -- meaning the sacrifice chosen by Christ was to satisfy a deity. Such is the first definition of the word "victim," according to Merriam-Webster's dictionary
The alternate definition of "victim" also contradicts Beck's application of the word. Webster further defines "victim" as "one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent". In this understanding of the word, the conservative opinion host would seem to be suggesting that being beaten and murdered by armed thugs is not a force or agent acting on an individual in an adverse manner
Instead, the juxtaposition of victim and conqueror is convenient for Beck in that he's trying to refute the intrinsic nature of many Christians' beliefs that the poor and needy should be comforted. Instead, the television talker opines that "redistribution of wealth" is nowhere to be found in the religious tome
But even this rings hollow. The first generation of Christians, spoken of in the book of Acts, took it upon themselves to sell all their possessions and bring the proceeds to Christ's apostles so they might redistribute the wealth to all believers
Acts 2:44-45 says, "All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
The notion is multiplied by Acts 4:34-37, which adds: "There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means 'son of encouragement'). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."
In the spirit of the one they called a messiah, the first Christian church willingly shared their wealth with fellow believers. In this same vein, legendary author Kurt Vonnegut once opined, "'Socialism' is no more an evil word than 'Christianity.' Socialism no more prescribed Joseph Stalin and his secret police and shuttered churches than Christianity prescribed the Spanish Inquisition. Christianity and socialism alike, in fact, prescribe a society dedicated to the proposition that all men, women and children are created equal, and shalt not starve."
Facts of language and scripture considered, Beck's unusual claims about Christian theology seem to be, at best, misplaced
In a recent piece charging Beck with "heresy," Time's Elizabeth Dias explained:
People may not disagree with Beck, as he said last night, because he is Mormon. But many Christians will disagree with him because he insinuates Christianity is nothing but a pull-yourself-up-from-your-bootstraps spirituality and ignores the church's long tradition of working for the plight of the powerless.
Ready with a retort was Rev. Jim Wallis, a Christian leader in Washington, D.C. who spoke with ABC News
"Brother Glenn, let's dispense with personal attacks," he said. "I don't know you. I have no reason to attack you. But you made a statement here that needs a serious conversation. ... I know you're used to monologues, but when you say things like this, you invite a dialogue. What do you say about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., what do you say about Desmond Tutu, about Mother Teresa, what do you say to the reverends and rabbis who gave their lives to social justice because that is their faith?"
Speaking with the New York Times, Wallis added: "What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show. [...] His show should now be in the same category as Howard Stern."
Rev. Canon Peg Chemberlin, who presides over the National Council of Churches of Christ USA, further told ABC that Beck's charges seem "ridiculous" and reveal a fundamental "misunderstanding" of scripture
"He's speaking on behalf of his political views and trying to take out of the biblical text the things that are going to oppose his political views," she said. "This is primarily a political motivation. ... It's not that Christians haven't been Nazis and socialists, but we're not talking about political parties here. We're talking about 2,000-year-old gospel."
Ultimately, these silly claims boil down to Beck's apparent goal of convincing his viewers that Obama is a secret harbinger of "liberation theology"; that the president of the United States is a covert Nazi who has come to redistribute all your wealth
Richard Lawson over at Gawker offered perhaps the most cutting response to Beck's latest assault on Christianity's core tenets, suggesting the host has just gone "insaner and insaner" as the Obama administration progresses
"Can you believe that there is someone on national television talking about this stuff, in this manner, every day and lots of people watch it in 2010?" he asked. "It's like a Terry Gilliam movie. Only darker."
Beck's rant on Christianity begins at the 6:00 minute mark, in this video broadcast by Fox News on July 13, 2010
Fox News personality Glenn Beck believes the Jews murdered the biblical messiah Jesus Christ, and Gosh Darn It, if the Christian savior had been more like Barack Obama he'd have "come back and made the Jews pay for what they did."
A core Biblical command is to follow Jesus' example of humility, not of conquering, and to show compassion for the least of those in our midst. A different commentator, the Apostle Paul, quickly sets straight Beck's account of Christian service: “Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, who being in very nature God did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.”
It's certainly not the first time Beck has crossed the line with Christians, many of whom are core to the conservative political movements that make up a vast cross-section of Beck's audience. In March, after the Fox News personality claimed that "social justice" is code for Nazi authoritarianism, many religious groups took him to task, lashing back in defense of their efforts to aid the poor
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Howard Stern had some old tape of Glenn Beck from his Morning Zoo days. He was a horrible DJ.
Beck had a blast with this just this morning....(laughing)
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
That's true according to the bible. They just ratted him out to the Romans so the Romans could kill him.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No, they DEMANDED that the Romans crucify him. 1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: 2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. 15 Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would. 16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas. 17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ? 20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus. 21 The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. 22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. 23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
Nice try at spin,but the Jews were in no position to demand the Romans do anything.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Dude, the passage I posted is from the Gospels which were written in the 1st century. This is called Christianity - a religion followed by more than 2 billion people on earth. You neo-cons are the ones who are trying to spin and distort things for your own selfish political purposes. It's not me, I'm posting from original sources, in this case, the 4 Gospels of the New Testament.
Nice try at spin,but the Jews were in no position to demand the Romans do anything. Dude, the passage I posted is from the Gospels which were written in the 1st century. So what? First off,for all we know that could have been the 1st Century equivalent of World News Weekly. Secondly,nowhere is it does it state or show that the Jews ever had or used any authority to demand the Romans execute Jesus. Yes,they requested it. Or at least SOME of the Jews requested it. That is a far cry from claiming "THE Jews demanded Jesus be killed". You neo-cons..... ROFLMAO!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I don't think Pete is a neocon. Not even close.
Your statements on this thread are historically inaccurate and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of both Christian doctrine and Christian history. In the 4th century, Christians decided they needed an official, written accounting of the life and times of Jesus. So, the church spent 100 years going through the voluminous number of writings about Jesus from the 1st century to determine which writings would be included in the New Testament. There were many disagreements and debates, especially between the Western Church (Rome) and the Eastern Church (Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem). Parts of Christianity were ejected over disagreements, including the Gnostics and the Oriental Orthodox churches (Coptics, Syriacs, etc). Finally, in 396 A.D., they agreed on the books to be included. They were not the equivalent of World News Weekly's fly by the seat of your pants journalism. They were the product of 100 years of research and debate. The Gospels state clearly that the Romans had a tradition of releasing one prisoner during their feast, chosen by the population. Pilate asked who should be released -- Jesus or Barabbas. The Jews demanded Barabbas be released and that Jesus be executed. The fact is that Jesus was a threat to the established order (the Jewish leadership). Established orders never like threats to their authority. So, they took care of him. This is what Christian believe. American Christians who don't believe this have likely been mislead by the "Judeo-Christian" crowd in the U.S., just like you are trying to mislead people on this thread. People can believe what they want, and I really don't care. But it is completely inaccurate to say that Beck's views are the product of neo-Nazism. I won't sit here and let historical Christian beliefs be smeared with the Nazi label.
Yeah,as opposed to actual history. Finally, in 396 A.D., they agreed on the books to be included. They were not the equivalent of World News Weekly's fly by the seat of your pants journalism. They were the product of 100 years of research and debate. Uh,huh. Cherry picking what they thought would sell best and ignoring the rest.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You are completely missing the point. The article states that Beck's view on this is a product of neo-Nazism. It is not. Beck's view is part of what Christians have believed for 2,000 years. I don't care if you believe what's in the Bible. But it IS in the Bible, and was not concocted by neo-Nazis. The people who claim otherwise are doing so for their own political agendas.
There can be no argument about that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What did they "rat him out" about? What was it that Judas "betrayed"?
"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
Jews did not kill Jesus.
#4. To: sneakypete (#3)
They just ratted him out to the Romans so the Romans could kill him.
#5. To: jwpegler (#4)
No, they DEMANDED that the Romans crucify him.
#6. To: sneakypete (#5)
(Edited)
Nice try at spin,but the Jews were in no position to demand the Romans do anything.
#7. To: jwpegler (#6)
#8. To: jwpegler (#6)
#9. To: sneakypete (#7)
(Edited)
First off,for all we know that could have been the 1st Century equivalent of World News Weekly
#10. To: jwpegler (#9)
Your statements on this thread are historically inaccurate and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of both Christian doctrine and Christian history.
#11. To: sneakypete (#10)
Yeah,as opposed to actual history.
#12. To: jwpegler (#11)
I don't care if you believe what's in the Bible. But it IS in the Bible, and was not concocted by neo-Nazis. The people who claim otherwise are doing so for their own political agendas.
#13. To: sneakypete (#3)
They just ratted him out to the Romans so the Romans could kill him.
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