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Title: Real Joblessness Grimmer Than Gov't Stats
Source: IBD
URL Source: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAna ... s-Grimmer-Than-Govt-Stats.aspx
Published: Jul 15, 2010
Author: Raghavan Mayur
Post Date: 2010-07-15 10:18:38 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 337
Comments: 18

Real Joblessness Grimmer Than Gov't Stats By RAGHAVAN MAYUR Posted 07/14/2010 06:54 PM ET

Writing in the New York Times in November 2003, Austan Goolsbee, then a professor at the University of Chicago, flamboyantly accused the government of "cooking" the books regarding unemployment.

"The situation has grown so dire," he said, "that we can't even tell whether the job market is recovering. The time has come to correct the official unemployment statistics to account for those left out."

Professor Goolsbee is now a top economic advisor to President Obama. Would he admit that the official jobless of 9.5% grossly underestimates the pain of job losses in America and do something to correct the situation?

Findings in recent IBD/TIPP polls suggest that now would be a good time to undertake such a project.

According to Labor Department data, the civilian labor force in June totaled 153.7 million people, 14.6 million (9.5%) of whom were unemployed. But in the latest IBD/TIPP poll conducted last week, 28.6% of respondents said at least one member of their household is unemployed and looking for work. This number for June was 27.8% and for May 28%.

When we project our household job-seekers rate and calculate the share of Americans who are unemployed and looking for work, we get a job-seeker rate of 24.1% for July for a total of 37 million Americans vs. the government's aforementioned 14.6 million.

The difference between our crude job-seeker rate of 24.1% and the Labor Department's jobless rate of 9.5% is night and day. The difference between our job-seekers (37 million) and Labor's unemployed (14.6 million) is a staggering 22.4 million. How does one account for 22 million people? Which is the reality?

To come up with its monthly jobless rate, the Labor Department surveys some 60,000 households. But the popular unemployment measure that results, dubbed U-3, is not a good indicator, because the department counts as "unemployed" only those who report actively looking for work in the past four weeks.

Some 8.6 million Americans responding to a tight job market have taken part-time jobs, though they'd like to be working full-time. In calculating U-3, the government counts these "underemployed" people as "employed," which helps reduce the unemployment rate.

Another 6.5 million individuals in the government survey say they want a job, but they are counted as not being part of the labor force ("persons not in the labor force but who currently want a job"). This category includes 2.6 million who are marginally attached persons. Of these passive job-seekers, some have other obligations but would take a job if offered. True, the Labor Department puts out a broader unemployment gauge, known as U-6, that includes "underemployed" and "discouraged." For June, it stood at 16.5%. This alternative measure has been in existence since the mid-'90s and is comparable to methods used by Canada, Japan and Western Europe. But even U-6 doesn't capture the nation's real pain.

The underemployed (8.6 million) and those not in the labor force but who want a job (6.5 million) bring down our difference with the Labor Department from 22 million to 7 million.

Labor also has a large category of 18 million workers classified as "part-time not for economic reasons." These are people who the department believes have voluntarily opted for part-time employment. If we assume 7 million of the 18 million voluntary part-timers are looking for full-time employment, we can reconcile the statistics globally.

Americans have lived through a deep recession and are feeling real pain. But if we continue to measure that pain by the government's official unemployment rate, we are living in denial. It's time to come up with a statistical model that tells the truth.

• Mayur is president of TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence, which directs the IBD/TIPP Poll that was the most accurate in the last two presidential elections.

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#1. To: Badeye (#0)

I think it was last week where I saw the figure only 56% of all adults in this nation are employed.

Down from 58% two years ago.

Things are getting worse and no matter how much the Govt. spins it's happy talk, everyone knows it's bullshit.

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-07-15   10:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

I know over 54% of those between 18 - 25 are currently unemployed.

Give em another 24 months of THIS, and see how they vote...

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-15   10:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#0)

Another problem is that these 'polls' make no sense with any kind of overlapping of same. With Obama trying to coopt the GObP's position in terms of finance/war:

A poll released by CBS News this week found that 62 percent of Americans believe the war is going badly, with 54 percent calling for the government to set a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops.

President Barack Obama recently dismissed such calls for a timetable as an "obsession." As the poll indicates, he is dependent largely on Republican support for this position. The survey found that while just 32 percent of Republicans favor a withdrawal timetable, 73 percent of Democrats and 54 percent of independents support one.

That is, what Americans' homes are worth, their equity, decreased by $7 trillion -from $20 trillion to $13 trillion-, from spring 2006 to spring 2010. In the same period, mortgage debt, what Americans owe on their homes, went down by only $270 billion. Yes, that's right: US homeowners lost more, by a factor of 26, than they "gained" through clearing mortgage debt. Thus, if we estimate that there are 75 million homeowners in America, they all, each and every one of them, lost $93,333.

Read more: http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/#ixzz0tlJ8eOIb Under Creative Commons License: Attribution

I guess we're all supposed to sit here and act like nothings wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

Theres one problem with that. Many of us swore an Oath to protect this country and our constitution from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. And history has proven that governments, without fail, become the the enemies of the people they promised to protect and serve.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   10:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Badeye (#0)

Tyler @ Zerohedge:

Remember how the market surged last week? One would think this may have been driven by something as fundamental as actual capital instead of HFT channel stuffing, frontrunning, and other no volume gimmicks, and that retail might actually be participating in a rally for once... One would be wrong. According to ICI even as the market was surging, once again - on no volume, it was merely an orchestrated means for mutual funds to sell out of stocks at slightly better prices to cover another week of massive outflows. In the week ended July 7, ICI reports that domestic equity mutual funds saw $4.1 billion in outflows, the largest outflow in the past 2 months, and the third biggest weekly redemption in 2010! This is also the tenth sequential outflow, amounts to $34 billion in total outflows YTD, and represents a losing streak even worse than that of the BDIY....

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   10:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war, All (#4)

And see above ;}

Ilargi: Over the weekend, I wrote about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and how they form the core of the biggest fraud and crime ever perpetrated upon the American people. And even though that was already the umptieth time I have addressed this particular topic, I want to return to it again.

After all, we're not talking about Jesse James or Billy the Kid or Charles Ponzi or Kenny-Boy Enron or any of that petty kiddy wannabe criminal stuff, this is the number one way Americans have ever been fleeced right across the entire nation. Maybe that status is best recognized by the fact that people to this day keep on begging for more of the same. Either that or another little fact: the government is at the center of the scheme.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   10:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

I guess we're all supposed to sit here and act like nothings wrong.

If you don't, you are called a racist and/or a bigot.

Lovely group, those liberal/progressive Democrats...

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-15   10:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

I know.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-15   10:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Badeye (#6)

Lovely group, those liberal/progressive Democrats...

You keep trying to join the party, be, but you keep clinging to your discredited 'Conservative' TBTF Top .01%.

And there's no such thing as a 'progressive' in the Imperial City.

They were taken out and shot along with JFK a long time ago.

in the same vein as Eric Sprott and David Franklin pointing out that every single US banking company but the 6 Too Big To Fail ones lost money in 2009, all 980 of them:

"Wither Green Shoots"

Of the 986 bank holding companies in the US last year, a total of 980 of them LOST MONEY.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   10:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#8)

Warrants another 'whatever'.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-15   10:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#7)

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   10:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Badeye (#9)

Warrants another 'whatever'.

Which Warrants another 'it's all good.'

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   10:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

Good post.

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-07-15   10:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mcgowanjm (#5)

Either that or another little fact: the government is at the center of the scheme.

Agreed. But what do you suggest we do? Honestly, you don't think the Republicans being elected in 2010 will be much better do you?

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-07-15   11:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#12)

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   12:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#13)

Agreed. But what do you suggest we do?

The Universe is Altruistic. The Planet the same.

It's counterintuitive but just 'stop'. By 'stop', I mean completely de leverage, get out of debt/default, passive civil dis obedience.

And Eliminate ALL debt. That will free up 83 cents of every $.

Cut our military by 75%.

For a start.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   12:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war, All (#15)

Baltic Dry crashing thru the Last line of 1700 before Mar 2009 low.

Everything about to follow. Gold, oil, grains, fiber, iron ore, copper.

Extreme wealth has always been generated through vast numbers of people made poor. In so doing, the land, air and water are also exploited, as if they were infinitely pristine. Extinguishing life is practiced to a tremendous extent by unwilling workers serving their masters and the system. This extends even to children who are given goods and services that are ultimately anti-life. Thorough conditioning and regimentation in school, church, mass media, the military, etc. reinforce this system. Control is buttressed by the profusion of laws that benefit mostly the elite who have in various ways always had the power of life and death over others. Such a “negative view” flies in the face of the image of the happy-go-lucky rich person who, once you get to know them, is so nice. Indeed, top extinguishers of lives are often relatively passive, even unwitting, going with the flow of their billions of dollars, often promoting more economic growth.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-15   12:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mcgowanjm (#15)

The Universe is Altruistic. The Planet the same.

It's counterintuitive but just 'stop'. By 'stop', I mean completely de leverage, get out of debt/default, passive civil dis obedience.

And Eliminate ALL debt. That will free up 83 cents of every $.

Cut our military by 75%.

For a start.

So you support the idea, as I do, that the US renounce it's debt.

That would be a very nice start.

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-07-15   16:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#17)

So you support the idea, as I do, that the US renounce it's debt.

That would be a very nice start.

First, it has to stop creating it.

We'll change fuckAll until the pain is relentless/excessive.

Meaning collapse of a Non Trivial Part of our Empire.

The US is Passive/ReActive now. A Guaranteed Strategic Epic Fail.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-16   8:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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