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Title: Heritage Budget Expert Debunks Bush Tax Cuts-Deficit Myth
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URL Source: http://www.libertycentral.org/herit ... -tax-cuts-deficit-myth-2010-07
Published: Jul 13, 2010
Author: libertycentral
Post Date: 2010-07-13 15:30:47 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 10744
Comments: 102

Brian Riedl, writing in today’s Wall Street Journal, takes on the assertion made by many Democrats that it was the Bush Tax Cuts and the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that drove our federal deficit to monstrous levels. Riedl writes that there was never an actual surplus that was removed by the cuts, and that President Obama’s assertions about the Bush administration’s impact on the size of the debt before he took office are simply incorrect. Instead, it is the decline in revenues from a down economy and increased government spending that have pushed the deficit to these levels.

The Democrats routinely assert that the Bush tax cuts wiped out the budget surpluses that existed under the Clinton Administration. This idea is simply not true because the surplus never existed. It was a projection made by the Congressional Budget Office which assumed the continued late 90’s economic growth and record high tax revenues. Out of the total swing of $11.7 trillion dollars from the CBO estimate to our current $6.1 trillion deficit, the Bush tax cuts accounted for only $1.7 trillion of the shift. The majority of the change comes from economic revisions and new spending. Other factors include interest on the debt, as well as President Obama’s stimulus bill.

The sudden explosion of a budget deficit in 2009 to over $1 trillion dollars came from falling revenues and stimulus spending. President Obama’s targets are also arbitrary, ignoring the massive debts being placed on the American people by Social Security, Medicare, anti-poverty programs and other discretionary spending. The current administration’s policies will grow our projected deficit to $13 trillion, with only $4.7 trillion attributable to the policies of the Bush Administration (the tax cuts, wars and the Medicare drug program). The administration also intends to continue spending, averaging 20.3% of GDP while taking in only approximately 18% in tax revenue.

This means that the administration’s current policies will continue to dig our deficit hole deeper and deeper. While the Bush administration is far from blameless in the growth of our national debt, it is a straw man for the Democrats to point at while they continue their free spending policies that have accumulated more debt in one year than George Bush did in eight.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

How many times does this need to be debunked for you?

war  posted on  2010-07-13   15:35:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war (#1)

It's pretty laughable that you think a left wing tax and spend advocacy group is debunking anything through their promotion of higher taxes.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-13   15:41:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

So your answer is it will need to continue being debunked because you can't accept the reality that the tax cuts were stupid.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   15:57:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#4)

But Mr. Obama's assertion fails on three grounds.

First, the wars, tax cuts and the prescription drug program were implemented in the early 2000s, yet by 2007 the deficit stood at only $161 billion. How could these stable policies have suddenly caused trillion-dollar deficits beginning in 2009? (Obviously what happened was collapsing revenues from the recession along with stimulus spending.)

Second, the president's $8 trillion figure minimizes the problem. Recent CBO data indicate a 10-year baseline deficit closer to $13 trillion if Washington maintains today's tax-and-spend policies—whereby discretionary spending grows with the economy, war spending winds down, ObamaCare is implemented, and Congress extends all the Bush tax cuts, the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) patch, and the Medicare "doc fix" (i.e., no reimbursement cuts).

Under this realistic baseline, the 10-year cost of extending the Bush tax cuts ($3.2 trillion), the Medicare drug entitlement ($1 trillion), and Iraq and Afghanistan spending ($515 billion) add up to $4.7 trillion. That's approximately one-third of the $13 trillion in baseline deficits—far from the majority the president claims.

Third and most importantly, the White House methodology is arbitrary. With Washington set to tax $33 trillion and spend $46 trillion over the next decade, how does one determine which policies "caused" the $13 trillion deficit? Mr. Obama could have just as easily singled out Social Security ($9.2 trillion over 10 years), antipoverty programs ($7 trillion), other Medicare spending ($5.4 trillion), net interest on the debt ($6.1 trillion), or nondefense discretionary spending ($7.5 trillion).

There's no legitimate reason to single out the $4.7 trillion in tax cuts, war funding and the Medicare drug entitlement. A better methodology would focus on which programs are expanding and pushing the next decade's deficit up.

• Declining revenues are driving future deficits. The fact is that rapidly increasing spending will cause 100% of rising long-term deficits. Over the past 50 years, tax revenues have deviated little from their 18% of gross domestic product (GDP) average. Despite a temporary recession-induced dip, CBO projects that even if all Bush tax cuts are extended and the AMT is patched, tax revenues will rebound to 18.2% of GDP by 2020—slightly above the historical average. They will continue growing afterwards.

Spending—which has averaged 20.3% of GDP over the past 50 years—won't remain as stable. Using the budget baseline deficit of $13 trillion for the next decade as described above, CBO figures show spending surging to a peacetime record 26.5% of GDP by 2020 and also rising steeply thereafter.

Accept that.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-13   16:04:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#5) (Edited)

Paddy...the tax cuts were stupid...they weren't needed and they exploded the debt...war spending was done off budget so the true deficit was never really admitted to during your hero's reign of error. And, as you note, the budget deficit was still $161bln [oddly, tho, you don't seem to mind what you claimed was budget gimmickery in calculating Clinton surpluses if it shows deficits falling during Boy Blunder] and that was after 3 years of solid "growth".

If anything, it reveals that the growth was illusory, fed by debt rather than capital.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   16:22:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

oddly, tho, you don't seem to mind what you claimed was budget gimmickery in calculating Clinton surpluses if it shows deficits falling during Boy Blunder]

Apples and oranges. Bush's growth was very real and happened between 2003 and 2007. The discussed Clinton "surplus" was simply a CBO projection from the 2000 economy and was never real.

The tax cuts did not "explode the debt"?

(Obviously what happened was collapsing revenues from the recession along with stimulus spending.)

You've been shown the numbers and you still deny them?

Do you argue with sign posts?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-13   16:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

Apples and oranges.

You've been shown the numbers and you still deny them?

Huh? The deficit of $161bln was calculated using the same methodology as the surplus that was discounted, Puddin'.

YOU were shown the reality. CBO's analysis. Treasury Department analysis. All concluded the same thing: The tax cuts were harmful.

Public and Private debt EXPLODED in that period, Puddin'.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:07:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#13)

YOU were shown the reality. CBO's analysis. Treasury Department analysis. All concluded the same thing: The tax cuts were harmful.

People keeping what they earn is not harmful. Obama is harmful. You are harmful.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:15:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#14) (Edited)

People keeping what they earn is not harmful.

I've disputed that notion where?

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:18:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#16)

Look right above your words. You cut and pasted it. Are you drunk?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:20:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Stop dancing. Answer a question for a change.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:22:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

You posted it. You quit dancing fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:23:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

I've posted a lot of things.

PING me when you're off whatever it is your on.

Thanks.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:25:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#23)

You said tax cuts were harmful. Did you know that people who pay taxes earned that money? Guess not. You're drunk or stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:28:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#24)

You said tax cuts were harmful. Did you know that people who pay taxes earned that money?

Tax cuts certainly put an end to the possibility of paying off the debt in my lifetime.

Interest on paid the debt in 2008 was $451 billion, for comparison - the Department of Defense’s base budget for the same year was $481.4 billion, and the budget deficit was $454.8 billion.

Bottom line, pay down the debt, save a bunch of money on interest payments. Pay off the debt and save a whole lot more and then maybe we could talk about a tax cut that really meant something. I would think people who earned that money paid in taxes would care about that.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   0:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#38)

Bottom line, pay down the debt, save a bunch of money on interest payments. Pay off the debt and save a whole lot more and then maybe we could talk about a tax cut that really meant something.

No this is the bottom line. We have traitors who ran up an illegal debt. The people who voted for it owe the money. Not anyone else.

Time to default on the debt. Then have a huge tax cut. Then Get rid of NAFTA GATT etc. Put Americans first.

It is not possible to repay the debt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   7:21:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Time to default on the debt. Then have a huge tax cut. Then Get rid of NAFTA GATT etc. Put Americans first.

Defaulting on the debt does not put America or Americans first. About two and a half trillion dollars of the debt is owed to your fellow countrymen who have paid into Social Security.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:30:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#41)

Social Security is not constitutional. You know it isn't.y It is not the fault of my children that people such as yourself were stupid enough to participate in it.

My kids don't owe no debt. Pound sand.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   11:43:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Social Security is not constitutional. You know it isn't.

No, I don't know that at all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:57:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#50)

No, I don't know that at all.

Then let me teach you a lesson. There is no constitutional authority for it. If I am wrong show me the constitutional authority.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   7:47:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#54)

There is no constitutional authority for it.

Where is the constitutional authority for an Air Force?

That asked:

Article II Section 2[b]:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The US Congress has the power to create executive departments and officers. The Social Security Act was passed by the US Congress.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   7:53:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: war (#55)

and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

So they could make an office of say round up the niggers and execute them?

Or the office of round up the jews and gas them.

Or the office of stick a penis in wars mouth.

Those powers have fall within the limits placed in other parts of the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   7:59:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#56) (Edited)

So they could make an office of say round up the niggers and execute them?

Nope. There are several amendments to the USCON that is supposed to prevent that but several Muslims in US custody may disagree.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:04:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#57)

Yes they could. Because of this. Your own quote.

That asked:

Article II Section 2[b]:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:08:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#58)

What proscriptions or hinderances do the 5th, 8th and 14th amendments put on government power?

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:11:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war (#60)

Social security is unconstitutional.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:11:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#61)

Social security is unconstitutional.

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:14:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#65. To: war (#63)

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

Yes I did. It is called the constitution. There is no delegated power for it to force you to set up a "government retirement plan"

What you quoted only authorizes the office of stick a penis in wars mouth.

You haven't showed any prohibitions for the office of stick a penis in wars mouth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16 08:17:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war (#63)

Social security is unconstitutional.

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

I poinited out the sections of the USCON which clearly PROSCRIBE such an exercise.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16 08:27:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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