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Title: Heritage Budget Expert Debunks Bush Tax Cuts-Deficit Myth
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URL Source: http://www.libertycentral.org/herit ... -tax-cuts-deficit-myth-2010-07
Published: Jul 13, 2010
Author: libertycentral
Post Date: 2010-07-13 15:30:47 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 10453
Comments: 102

Brian Riedl, writing in today’s Wall Street Journal, takes on the assertion made by many Democrats that it was the Bush Tax Cuts and the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that drove our federal deficit to monstrous levels. Riedl writes that there was never an actual surplus that was removed by the cuts, and that President Obama’s assertions about the Bush administration’s impact on the size of the debt before he took office are simply incorrect. Instead, it is the decline in revenues from a down economy and increased government spending that have pushed the deficit to these levels.

The Democrats routinely assert that the Bush tax cuts wiped out the budget surpluses that existed under the Clinton Administration. This idea is simply not true because the surplus never existed. It was a projection made by the Congressional Budget Office which assumed the continued late 90’s economic growth and record high tax revenues. Out of the total swing of $11.7 trillion dollars from the CBO estimate to our current $6.1 trillion deficit, the Bush tax cuts accounted for only $1.7 trillion of the shift. The majority of the change comes from economic revisions and new spending. Other factors include interest on the debt, as well as President Obama’s stimulus bill.

The sudden explosion of a budget deficit in 2009 to over $1 trillion dollars came from falling revenues and stimulus spending. President Obama’s targets are also arbitrary, ignoring the massive debts being placed on the American people by Social Security, Medicare, anti-poverty programs and other discretionary spending. The current administration’s policies will grow our projected deficit to $13 trillion, with only $4.7 trillion attributable to the policies of the Bush Administration (the tax cuts, wars and the Medicare drug program). The administration also intends to continue spending, averaging 20.3% of GDP while taking in only approximately 18% in tax revenue.

This means that the administration’s current policies will continue to dig our deficit hole deeper and deeper. While the Bush administration is far from blameless in the growth of our national debt, it is a straw man for the Democrats to point at while they continue their free spending policies that have accumulated more debt in one year than George Bush did in eight.

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#35. To: A K A Stone (#34)

Quit changing posters posts. Thanks.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Fred Mertz (#35)

Quit changing posters posts. Thanks.

What are you talking about?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   22:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#24)

You said tax cuts were harmful. Did you know that people who pay taxes earned that money?

Tax cuts certainly put an end to the possibility of paying off the debt in my lifetime.

Interest on paid the debt in 2008 was $451 billion, for comparison - the Department of Defense’s base budget for the same year was $481.4 billion, and the budget deficit was $454.8 billion.

Bottom line, pay down the debt, save a bunch of money on interest payments. Pay off the debt and save a whole lot more and then maybe we could talk about a tax cut that really meant something. I would think people who earned that money paid in taxes would care about that.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   0:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#38)

Bottom line, pay down the debt, save a bunch of money on interest payments. Pay off the debt and save a whole lot more and then maybe we could talk about a tax cut that really meant something.

No this is the bottom line. We have traitors who ran up an illegal debt. The people who voted for it owe the money. Not anyone else.

Time to default on the debt. Then have a huge tax cut. Then Get rid of NAFTA GATT etc. Put Americans first.

It is not possible to repay the debt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   7:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: no gnu taxes (#28) (Edited)

It was a guess...Based on Faulty estimates

Feel free to prove that....and the best way would be to provide CBO's recantation of the intial analysis.

war  posted on  2010-07-14   8:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Time to default on the debt. Then have a huge tax cut. Then Get rid of NAFTA GATT etc. Put Americans first.

Defaulting on the debt does not put America or Americans first. About two and a half trillion dollars of the debt is owed to your fellow countrymen who have paid into Social Security.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom (#41)

The statements are being made from a Sand Castle...there is nothing unconstitutional about debt:

Article I Section 8[b]

The Congress shall have the power:

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

war  posted on  2010-07-14   11:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lucysmom (#41)

About two and a half trillion dollars of the debt is owed to your fellow countrymen who have paid into Social Security.

Yes, FDR created the single biggest ponzi scheme in the world, and its about to collapse.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-14   11:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#41)

Social Security is not constitutional. You know it isn't.y It is not the fault of my children that people such as yourself were stupid enough to participate in it.

My kids don't owe no debt. Pound sand.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   11:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#42)

Yeah. They have that power FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS. They have no right or power or moral authority to bankrupt people yet to be born. And I will say this. You are on the WRONG SIDE OF EVERY ISSUE. You are an idiot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   11:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#42)

The statements are being made from a Sand Castle...there is nothing unconstitutional about debt:

Nor is there anything unconstitutional about taxes.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45) (Edited)

They have that power FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS.

Huh?

There is no temporal qualification put on borrowing money in the USCON. The "two years" is in regard to spending money on the military. We violate that with what we've allocated to Israel via DoD.

You may vent your outrage at that now.

war  posted on  2010-07-14   11:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Badeye (#43)

Yes, FDR created the single biggest ponzi scheme in the world, and its about to collapse.

Actually its an insurance program designed to keep unsightly old people from begging on the street when the market takes a nose dive.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#48)

Actually its an insurance program designed to keep unsightly old people from begging on the street when the market takes a nose dive.

Ah, no. Its a ponzi scheme thats about to collapse.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-14   11:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Social Security is not constitutional. You know it isn't.

No, I don't know that at all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Badeye (#49)

Ah, no. Its a ponzi scheme thats about to collapse.

I predict 2 things will happen with SS in the next 10-20 years.

The income cap will be removed and all income will be subject to taxation.

You will be means tested before you can receive it.

In other words, it will be reformed into a welfare program instead of a retirement program.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-14   12:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: no gnu taxes (#51)

I agree with one but only partially with the other. Means testing will only reduce benefits to a floor not to 0.

war  posted on  2010-07-14   12:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: no gnu taxes (#51)

You will be means tested before you can receive it.

I've been saying for a decade this should be done. Sorry, Bill Gates doesn't need a SS check each month when he 'retires'.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-14   12:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#50)

No, I don't know that at all.

Then let me teach you a lesson. There is no constitutional authority for it. If I am wrong show me the constitutional authority.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   7:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#54)

There is no constitutional authority for it.

Where is the constitutional authority for an Air Force?

That asked:

Article II Section 2[b]:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

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The US Congress has the power to create executive departments and officers. The Social Security Act was passed by the US Congress.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   7:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: war (#55)

and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

So they could make an office of say round up the niggers and execute them?

Or the office of round up the jews and gas them.

Or the office of stick a penis in wars mouth.

Those powers have fall within the limits placed in other parts of the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   7:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#56) (Edited)

So they could make an office of say round up the niggers and execute them?

Nope. There are several amendments to the USCON that is supposed to prevent that but several Muslims in US custody may disagree.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#57)

Yes they could. Because of this. Your own quote.

That asked:

Article II Section 2[b]:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#57)

Where are the amendments to the constitution that prevent an office of stick a penis in wars mouth?

Keep this in mind.

That asked:

Article II Section 2[b]:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#58)

What proscriptions or hinderances do the 5th, 8th and 14th amendments put on government power?

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war (#60)

Social security is unconstitutional.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#59)

Where are the amendments to the constitution that prevent an office of stick a penis in wars mouth?

The first amendment creates a wall of separation on government's power to interfere with anyone's right of association.

Are you going to get any smarter any time soon in this conversation? Maybe a cup of coffee will help?

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#61)

Social security is unconstitutional.

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: war (#62)

The first amendment creates a wall of separation on government's power to interfere with anyone's right of association.

Quite making stuff up.

An office of stick the penis in wars mouth is just as constitutional as the office of social security. That is a fact you can take to the bank.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#63)

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

Yes I did. It is called the constitution. There is no delegated power for it to force you to set up a "government retirement plan"

What you quoted only authorizes the office of stick a penis in wars mouth.

You haven't showed any prohibitions for the office of stick a penis in wars mouth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: war (#62)

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#64) (Edited)

Quite [sic] making stuff up.

Why can't Irish Gays and Lesbians march in the St. Patty's Day parade here?

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#66)

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

I pointed out the section of the USCON which vests Congress with the power to create executive departments and agencies.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: war (#62) (Edited)

Where are the amendments to the constitution that prevent an office of stick a penis in wars mouth?

The first amendment creates a wall of separation on government's power to interfere with anyone's right of association.

Are you going to get any smarter any time soon in this conversation? Maybe a cup of coffee will help?

I pointed out the section of the USCON which vests Congress with the power to create executive departments and agencies. . So that proves that a department of stick a penis in wars mouth is constitutional.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#69) (Edited)

I pointed out the sections of the USCON which clearly PROSCRIBE such an exercise.

And thanks for answering the question. Your "No, I'm not" is duly noted.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war (#63)

Social security is unconstitutional.

You've offered nothing to support that contention.

I poinited out the sections of the USCON which clearly PROSCRIBE such an exercise.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#71)

You haven't cited any section of the USCON.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: war (#62)

The first amendment creates a wall of separation on government's power to interfere with anyone's right of association.

You haven't cited any section of the USCON.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:36:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#73)

#55 reveals you to be a liar.

war  posted on  2010-07-16   8:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: war (#74)

55 is your post not mine. I haven't responded to it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-16   8:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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