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Title: Heritage Budget Expert Debunks Bush Tax Cuts-Deficit Myth
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URL Source: http://www.libertycentral.org/herit ... -tax-cuts-deficit-myth-2010-07
Published: Jul 13, 2010
Author: libertycentral
Post Date: 2010-07-13 15:30:47 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 10294
Comments: 102

Brian Riedl, writing in today’s Wall Street Journal, takes on the assertion made by many Democrats that it was the Bush Tax Cuts and the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that drove our federal deficit to monstrous levels. Riedl writes that there was never an actual surplus that was removed by the cuts, and that President Obama’s assertions about the Bush administration’s impact on the size of the debt before he took office are simply incorrect. Instead, it is the decline in revenues from a down economy and increased government spending that have pushed the deficit to these levels.

The Democrats routinely assert that the Bush tax cuts wiped out the budget surpluses that existed under the Clinton Administration. This idea is simply not true because the surplus never existed. It was a projection made by the Congressional Budget Office which assumed the continued late 90’s economic growth and record high tax revenues. Out of the total swing of $11.7 trillion dollars from the CBO estimate to our current $6.1 trillion deficit, the Bush tax cuts accounted for only $1.7 trillion of the shift. The majority of the change comes from economic revisions and new spending. Other factors include interest on the debt, as well as President Obama’s stimulus bill.

The sudden explosion of a budget deficit in 2009 to over $1 trillion dollars came from falling revenues and stimulus spending. President Obama’s targets are also arbitrary, ignoring the massive debts being placed on the American people by Social Security, Medicare, anti-poverty programs and other discretionary spending. The current administration’s policies will grow our projected deficit to $13 trillion, with only $4.7 trillion attributable to the policies of the Bush Administration (the tax cuts, wars and the Medicare drug program). The administration also intends to continue spending, averaging 20.3% of GDP while taking in only approximately 18% in tax revenue.

This means that the administration’s current policies will continue to dig our deficit hole deeper and deeper. While the Bush administration is far from blameless in the growth of our national debt, it is a straw man for the Democrats to point at while they continue their free spending policies that have accumulated more debt in one year than George Bush did in eight.

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#13. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

Apples and oranges.

You've been shown the numbers and you still deny them?

Huh? The deficit of $161bln was calculated using the same methodology as the surplus that was discounted, Puddin'.

YOU were shown the reality. CBO's analysis. Treasury Department analysis. All concluded the same thing: The tax cuts were harmful.

Public and Private debt EXPLODED in that period, Puddin'.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#13)

YOU were shown the reality. CBO's analysis. Treasury Department analysis. All concluded the same thing: The tax cuts were harmful.

People keeping what they earn is not harmful. Obama is harmful. You are harmful.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

People keeping what they earn is not harmful. Obama is harmful. You are harmful.

Not paying for wars, medicare expansion, and shoveling debt onto the next generation is harmful.


Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality

go65  posted on  2010-07-13   21:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#14) (Edited)

People keeping what they earn is not harmful.

I've disputed that notion where?

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: go65 (#15)

Not paying for wars, medicare expansion, and shoveling debt onto the next generation is harmful.

According to Paddy and a blogger and Stone that isn't what happened. Everything was 5x5 until 1/20/09.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#16)

Look right above your words. You cut and pasted it. Are you drunk?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: go65 (#15)

The next generation doesn't owe it. Dead people owe it. Collect from them for your nannie state.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Stop dancing. Answer a question for a change.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#19)

And moreso Obama owes it. It is his illegal debt. Put him on pay for view and give him 1 lash per dollar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

You posted it. You quit dancing fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

I've posted a lot of things.

PING me when you're off whatever it is your on.

Thanks.

war  posted on  2010-07-13   21:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#23)

You said tax cuts were harmful. Did you know that people who pay taxes earned that money? Guess not. You're drunk or stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#19)

The next generation doesn't owe it. Dead people owe it. Collect from them for your nannie state.

Are you aware of how much of YOUR tax dollars is going to pay interest on the debt?

Are you aware how much YOUR taxes could be cut if you weren't paying for the debt explosion that started under Reagan?


Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality

go65  posted on  2010-07-13   21:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: go65 (#25)

Reagan didn't explode the debt. Worthless piece of shit demoncrats did. Obama's debt for 1 year is more then twice Reagans budget for a year. There hasn't been that much inflation

And yes, i'm much better informed then you are.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   21:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: go65 (#25) (Edited)

Are you aware of how much of YOUR tax dollars is going to pay interest on the debt?

Wait, wait,t wait.

Today.

Now.

In this instance.

On this thread.

Deficits are bad?

LMAO rolling the floor, slapping my sides!

You are lucky that I am here to pay for your reality!

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-07-13   21:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#13)

CBO's analysis.

It was a guess Obamabot. Based on Faulty estimates

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-13   22:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#24) (Edited)

You said tax cuts were harmful.

The millionaires (donors) benefited most you stupid summbitch.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

And yes, i'm [sic] much better informed then [sic] you are.

Thanks for the laugh.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fred Mertz (#30)

And yes, i'm [sic] much better informed then [sic] you are.

Thanks for the laugh.

I'm always happy to make someone laugh. Glad to put a smile on your face.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   22:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

Fred anyone keeping their money they earn is better then the government taking it and giving it away, wasting it, killing people with it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   22:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Good.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Fred Mertz, go65 (#30)

Thanks for the laugh.

I said it tongue and cheek anyways.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   22:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#34)

Quit changing posters posts. Thanks.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Fred Mertz (#35)

Quit changing posters posts. Thanks.

What are you talking about?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-13   22:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-13   22:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#24)

You said tax cuts were harmful. Did you know that people who pay taxes earned that money?

Tax cuts certainly put an end to the possibility of paying off the debt in my lifetime.

Interest on paid the debt in 2008 was $451 billion, for comparison - the Department of Defense’s base budget for the same year was $481.4 billion, and the budget deficit was $454.8 billion.

Bottom line, pay down the debt, save a bunch of money on interest payments. Pay off the debt and save a whole lot more and then maybe we could talk about a tax cut that really meant something. I would think people who earned that money paid in taxes would care about that.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   0:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#38)

Bottom line, pay down the debt, save a bunch of money on interest payments. Pay off the debt and save a whole lot more and then maybe we could talk about a tax cut that really meant something.

No this is the bottom line. We have traitors who ran up an illegal debt. The people who voted for it owe the money. Not anyone else.

Time to default on the debt. Then have a huge tax cut. Then Get rid of NAFTA GATT etc. Put Americans first.

It is not possible to repay the debt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   7:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: no gnu taxes (#28) (Edited)

It was a guess...Based on Faulty estimates

Feel free to prove that....and the best way would be to provide CBO's recantation of the intial analysis.

war  posted on  2010-07-14   8:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Time to default on the debt. Then have a huge tax cut. Then Get rid of NAFTA GATT etc. Put Americans first.

Defaulting on the debt does not put America or Americans first. About two and a half trillion dollars of the debt is owed to your fellow countrymen who have paid into Social Security.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom (#41)

The statements are being made from a Sand Castle...there is nothing unconstitutional about debt:

Article I Section 8[b]

The Congress shall have the power:

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

war  posted on  2010-07-14   11:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lucysmom (#41)

About two and a half trillion dollars of the debt is owed to your fellow countrymen who have paid into Social Security.

Yes, FDR created the single biggest ponzi scheme in the world, and its about to collapse.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-14   11:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#41)

Social Security is not constitutional. You know it isn't.y It is not the fault of my children that people such as yourself were stupid enough to participate in it.

My kids don't owe no debt. Pound sand.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   11:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#42)

Yeah. They have that power FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS. They have no right or power or moral authority to bankrupt people yet to be born. And I will say this. You are on the WRONG SIDE OF EVERY ISSUE. You are an idiot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-14   11:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#42)

The statements are being made from a Sand Castle...there is nothing unconstitutional about debt:

Nor is there anything unconstitutional about taxes.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45) (Edited)

They have that power FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS.

Huh?

There is no temporal qualification put on borrowing money in the USCON. The "two years" is in regard to spending money on the military. We violate that with what we've allocated to Israel via DoD.

You may vent your outrage at that now.

war  posted on  2010-07-14   11:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Badeye (#43)

Yes, FDR created the single biggest ponzi scheme in the world, and its about to collapse.

Actually its an insurance program designed to keep unsightly old people from begging on the street when the market takes a nose dive.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#48)

Actually its an insurance program designed to keep unsightly old people from begging on the street when the market takes a nose dive.

Ah, no. Its a ponzi scheme thats about to collapse.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-14   11:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Social Security is not constitutional. You know it isn't.

No, I don't know that at all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-14   11:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Badeye (#49)

Ah, no. Its a ponzi scheme thats about to collapse.

I predict 2 things will happen with SS in the next 10-20 years.

The income cap will be removed and all income will be subject to taxation.

You will be means tested before you can receive it.

In other words, it will be reformed into a welfare program instead of a retirement program.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-14   12:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: no gnu taxes (#51)

I agree with one but only partially with the other. Means testing will only reduce benefits to a floor not to 0.

war  posted on  2010-07-14   12:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: no gnu taxes (#51)

You will be means tested before you can receive it.

I've been saying for a decade this should be done. Sorry, Bill Gates doesn't need a SS check each month when he 'retires'.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-14   12:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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