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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 EXPOSED: The Dark Truth About the Hostages in Gaza New Task Force Ready To Expose Dark Secrets Status: Not Logged In; Sign In LEFT WING LOONS See other LEFT WING LOONS Articles Title: It was so hot today...... Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Jul 6, 2010 Author: sneakypete Post Date: 2010-07-06 23:27:25 by sneakypete Keywords: hypocrisy Views: 62658 Comments: 83 ....that Goober Gore had to turn the thermostats in BOTH of his mansions down to68. ....That Babs Streisand had to shut down her southern Ca mansion and fly to one of her European mansions to chill out while watching her serfs hand up clothes to dry on a clothsline. ...that.....YOU fill it in. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-36) not displayed.       .       .       . #37. To: Wood_Chopper (#35) It's great to see you idiots from LP coming here to trash this place too. "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-08   0:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Murron (#28) Hi Fred, it got up to 105' today where I'm at, this heat is sickening... In 1984 we had 21 straight days over 100 degrees during June and early July, the hottest day was 114. Of course our humidity tends to be on the low side. No air conditioning then at my workplace either. "See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005) mininggold  posted on  2010-07-08   0:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Wood_Chopper (#35) Global warming is bunk. Proven to be bullshit and a scam. BTW, you do know that global warming and man-caused global warming are two different topics, don't you? "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-08   0:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Skip Intro (#37) It's great to see you idiots from LP coming here to trash this place too. Really NOT on topic. Wassamatter skippy? (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't care what Palin says, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   0:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Skip Intro (#39) BTW, you do know that global warming and man-caused global warming are two different topics, don't you? Sell your bullshit somewhere else, skippy. (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't care what Palin says, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   0:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Wood_Chopper (#41) Can't even answer a simple question can you woody? Why so angry? Are you drunk? "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-08   0:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Skip Intro (#42) Can't even answer a simple question can you woody? Why so angry? Are you drunk? And with that skippy, I've shown everyone your tactics. Eat shit and die skip. (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't care what Palin says, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   0:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Wood_Chopper (#43) I've shown everyone your tactics. All you've shown is that you're a stupid old drunk. Hey, are you SOD from LP? "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-08   0:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Skip Intro (#44) (Edited) All you've shown is that you're a stupid old drunk. Hey, are you SOD from LP? I guess all you have left are personal attacks huh? Still ain't going to work. Global warming has been proven a fraud. There is no need for the victors in the battle to re-enter debate on the subject. Global warming is bullshit. It is DEAD. You lost. Fuck you. (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't care what Palin says, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   0:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Wood_Chopper (#45) Global warming is bullshit. It is DEAD. You lost. Fuck you. You still didn't answer the question. And since the historical record shows that the earth has naturally warmed and cooled many times in the past there is no reason to believe the future will be any different. "See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005) mininggold  posted on  2010-07-08   2:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: mininggold (#46) (Edited) You still didn't answer the question. Yeah, I did. The fact you're too fucking stupid to see that, and do likewise, is not my fault. (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   2:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: Wood_Chopper (#47) The fact you're too fucking stupid to see that is not my fault. No you didn't. You just used it as an excuse to act out and do your usual name calling schtick. "See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005) mininggold  posted on  2010-07-08   2:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: mininggold (#48) (Edited) No you didn't. Yeah, I did. The fact you're too fucking stupid to see it is not my fault. You don't even know what the real question and answer were, even though they were right in front of your face. (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   2:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: go65 (#26) But, when you measure temperature data in the land and sea over a long period of time, say 130 years, and you see rising temperatures that can't be explained by anything other than rising atmospheric CO2, well, then you might be on to something..... LOL!! I think one would have to be incredibly stupid to join some climate doom cult because someone told them that the temperature has gone up by 0.4 degree over the last 130 years. eskimo  posted on  2010-07-08   3:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: Skip Intro (#14) You mean the ones who were saying how cold it was at their house last winter, thus disproving global warming. Yeah, those are the ones I'm talking about. LOL!! How about those muttering about a doomsday heat wave because the average temperature is a fraction of a degree warmer than a century ago. I can not wait for the temperature to go down a fraction of a degree so they start agonizing about a new ice age for a change. eskimo  posted on  2010-07-08   3:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: Fred Mertz (#24) Not saying anything new. So you agree it is a young earth? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-08   6:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: go65 (#26) you see rising temperatures that can't be explained by anything other than rising atmospheric CO2, well, then you might be on to something..... Most likely mind-altering drugs because the implication is mankind is behind this. Guess what,Buckwheat? The planet had hot spells and cold spells long before the Machine Age and mankind entered the equation. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: sneakypete (#53) The planet had hot spells and cold spells long before the Machine Age and mankind entered the equation. So you AGREE that man has some affect? war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: w.a.r., sneakypete (#54) So you AGREE that man has some affect(sic)? The only way to prove that is to rid the planet of mankind and see what happens. Wanna volunteer to be the first? If I could, I would. But I can't, so I won't. Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-07-08   9:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Wood_Chopper, Skip Intro (#45) Global warming has been proven a fraud. Global Warming caused by MANKIND is a fraud,but Global Warming is a very real part of a natural warming and cooling cycle that has been going on ever since day one. Just like we had a mini-Ice Age in the 1800's,we are going through a mini-Hot Age right now. The problem is the left has seized upon this whole thing as a method of scaring the population into accepting draconian methods of government control to "prevent it from happening and save the world for the chil-runs". In other words,it has nothing to do with climate control,and everything to do with people control. Just like we can't really do anything to make it worse,we really can't do anything to make it better. It's out of our control. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: eskimo (#51) I can not wait for the temperature to go down a fraction of a degree so they start agonizing about a new ice age for a change. We went through that in the 70's,when the "Mother Earth" loons were predicting a on-coming Ice Age that would bury NYC under hundreds of feet of ice. Which doesn't really sound all that bad when you think about it. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: war (#54) The planet had hot spells and cold spells long before the Machine Age and mankind entered the equation. So you AGREE that man has some affect? How the HELL can you come to that conclusion from reading what I had written? I know your whole life is some sort of alternate reality,but there really should be SOME limits. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: sneakypete (#57) ...when the "Mother Earth" loons were predicting a on-coming Ice Age A very small minority predicted that and for a very short period of time. Most environmental scientists were fairly sober in predicting climate effect and chose to focus more on the potential diseases that could proliferate from "pollution". war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #60. To: A K A Stone (#23) If only you realized evolution falls into the same category. And with it millions or billions of years. I think evolution is obvious among many types of animal life on this planet. I just don't see anything that proves it applies to Human's. I do know the planet is millions of years old, Stone. As I noted above, I literally have fossil evidence of it on my property...and on my coffee and end tables in my home. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-07-08   9:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: sneakypete (#58) How the HELL can you come to that conclusion from reading what I had written? You used the phrase..."entered the equation" and coupled it to your introductory phrase of "hot spells and cold spells". You stated explicitly that climate is formulaic. war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: sneakypete (#58) (chuckle) Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-07-08   9:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: war (#61) You used the phrase..."entered the equation" and coupled it to your introductory phrase of "hot spells and cold spells". You stated explicitly that climate is formulaic. How bleeping anal can you get? "Equation" was NOT used in that context,and you know it. I could have just as easily used the word "question" or "discussion",and the content would have been the same. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: sneakypete (#63) "Equation" was NOT used in that context,and you know it. I'm not a mind reader. Don't blame me because you're not precise in your language. war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: war (#64) I'm not a mind reader. Don't blame me because you're not precise in your language. ROFLMAO! I know you suffer from having a northern PC education,but were you really so miseducated that you don't understand that context means everything,and that in the context I used "equation" it was the same as "Question"? "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   10:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: Murron (#28) Hi Fred, it got up to 105' today where I'm at, this heat is sickening... They say Friday will be a cool 83 degrees high. Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-08   11:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #67. To: Wood_Chopper (#45) I guess all you have left are personal attacks huh I've been pretty patient with you, considering that's all you've used on this thread since your first post. "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." - Rush Limbaugh Skip Intro  posted on  2010-07-08   11:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #68. To: Wood_Chopper, All (#21) Yeah. Go fuck yourself mcgowanjm. Global warming has been proven to be a fraud. Source, please. And I'm not forgetting. And Goldi's not here with her rabid dogs. And this thread won't go away when Goldi doesn't like it. ;} mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-08   13:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: Wood_Chopper, All (#68) Yeah. Go fuck yourself mcgowanjm. Global warming has been proven to be a fraud. Source, please. And I'm not forgetting. And Goldi's not here with her rabid dogs. And this thread won't go away when Goldi doesn't like it. OOPS. The Thread HAS been hidden. See East Coast breaks Heat records by 10 degrees. You stupid fuck. hell ain't 1/2 full. ;} mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-07-08   13:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: sneakypete (#56) Global Warming caused by MANKIND is a fraud,but Global Warming is a very real part of a natural warming and cooling cycle that has been going on ever since day one. I look at it like this pete. "Global warming" is a catch-phrase of the bullshit scam made up by our would-be masters and embraced by useful idiots everywhere. What you call "natural global warming" I call the current temperature. The global warming scam was exposed and died. Those wishing to resurrect it HAVE to keep the argument going on it. They have to keep the term "alive". And they do THAT with terms like "natural global warming" and by attempting to keep the debate going. In fact, the more outrageous their claim in this thread, the more likely someone will debate them. Their mission here is not to win the global warming argument, but rather to keep it going. Our side won on this pete. There is no need for more debate on global warming. And those trying to resurrect it should not be debated, but rather told to STFU and be treated with the scorn and ridicule they so richly deserve. (sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-07-08   16:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: Badeye (#60) I do know the planet is millions of years old, Stone. As I noted above, I literally have fossil evidence of it on my property...and on my coffee and end tables in my home. How do you know its age? To form fossils you need dead things to be buried in mud before they rot or are eaten by scavengers or whatever. If the Bible is true and there was a worldwide flood. There should be evidence of this. What would you expect to find? Answer: Billions of dead things buried in mud laid down by water all over the earth. That is in fact what you find. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-08   17:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: A K A Stone (#71) Where I live its flooded hundreds of thousands of times, you can see the geological evidence, again on my property, which features a cliff rising from the stream across our property, Stone. Millions of years worth of layers. Its not disputable. I don't take the bible 'literally', realizing it was compiled without the input of one half of our species (women) for starters. But the premise you offer up is easily debunked. If your view was factual, all these fossils on my land would be found in one single layer. They aren't. I'm not really interested in a long drawn out debate on this. Others are. I don't begrudge anyone's religious viewpoint - as long as it doesn't include killing or harming those that don't adhere to it - but we aren't going to agree on this topic. Ever. Enjoy. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-07-08   17:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: A K A Stone (#71) Yes, there are most definitely some sound scientific explanations for a young earth. http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1222gc.asp no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-08   18:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: Badeye (#72) What is the reason that it has to be millions or billions of years? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-08   18:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #75. To: no gnu taxes (#73) Yes, there are most definitely some sound scientific explanations for a young earth. Of course there are. They are the only explanations that make sense. The evilutionists can't even explain how flowers that require things like bees and bees require them came into existence. They can't explain what came first the chicken or the egg. You ever planted grass? It can be hard. They can't explain the evolution of the grass and how it spread everywhere. Was there one blade of grass first. They have never witnessed any creature evolve. There are zero fossils that show anything evolving or in a earlier state of development. If the earth is billions of years old and man 100 thousand or whatever they choose on any given day. Where are all the dead bodies? There aren't enough. T they can't explain where why there isn't enough dust on the moon. They have zero answers. Zero credability. They never debunked anything contrary to what badeye says. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-08   18:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #76. To: no gnu taxes, badeye (#73) Oh and that is a most excellent organization you linked to. Answers in Genesis. I've seen Ken Ham speak a few times. Haven't made it to the creation museum yet. If badeye would meet me at the creation museum I would be tempted to buy him a ticket. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-08   18:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #77. To: no gnu taxes (#73) From your link by Tom Vail, Canyon Ministries December 22, 2005 The Grand Canyon in N. Arizona, USA is an awesome spectacle, a classic example of erosion unequaled anywhere on earth. Carved through sedimentary layers of limestone, sandstone and shale, and into the bedrock of schist and granite, this great chasm stretches 277 miles through the Colorado Plateau. It descends over a mile into the earth and extends as much as 18 miles in width. The Grand Canyon is also a place to find and explore the wonders of God’s creation. When viewed from a biblical perspective, the Canyon has “God” written all over it, from the splendor and grandeur of the entire area, to the diverse and unique design of the plants and animals that inhabit this “magical” place. They all display the magnificence of the hand of our Creator. AiG speaker, dinosaur sculptor and musician Buddy Davis (far left) enjoys the splash of cold water on last year’s trip through the Grand Canyon. Not only is the Canyon a testimony to the Creator, but it also presents evidence of God’s judgment of the world. It was a judgment by water of a world broken by sin. The Canyon gives us a glimpse of the effects and scale of a catastrophic global flood, the biblical Flood of Noah’s day. Visitors to the Grand Canyon generally find it to be awe-inspiring, but at the same time, too strange and overwhelming to be fully understood on its own—for the Canyon can’t tell us about itself. As humans, we tend to ask two questions as we view this vast, grand, mysterious hole in the ground: how and why? We do have the one and only true history book, the Bible, that can help answer these questions. Even though Scripture does not mention the Grand Canyon, we can do some theorizing based on the evidence that we see and examine in light of the Bible. The “how” As we consider the “how,” we find that virtually all geologists agree that the Grand Canyon was carved by water. The question is how quickly and when. If we examine the prevailing interpretive literature about the Canyon, we find that the views presented are predominantly based on evolutionary theories. For the Canyon, this means that the rock layers were laid down over literally hundreds of millions of years, and that the Canyon was later carved slowly by the Colorado River. These theories tend to deny God’s involvement. But, if we look at the Canyon through the eyes of a biblical, or scriptural, geologist (those who believe in the Bible’s timeline of a young earth), we will see a very different Canyon. These geologists see a young canyon carved with a massive amount of water, likely in a matter of just days, shortly after the global flood of Noah’s day about 4,300 years ago. So is there evidence to support a biblical model? Yes. Let’s briefly examine a couple of the areas which do just that. sandstone fold According to the biblical model, the vast majority of the sedimentary layers we see in the Grand Canyon (and in the rest of the world for that matter) were deposited as the result of a global flood that occurred after, and ultimately as a result of, the initial sin that took place in the Garden of Eden about 6,000 years ago. Let’s look at the folding that is found in the sedimentary rock layers of the Canyon. The picture to the left is a fold in the Tapeats Sandstone in Carbon Creek, one of the side canyons within Grand Canyon. You can plainly see here that the rock was bent, or as the geologist would say, “folded,” while still soft or pliable. Notice that this folding has taken place without cracking the rock. Folds like this indicate that the folding had to happen soon after deposition, and that the deposition and the upheaval responsible for the folding were in fact one event. Another area that supports the biblical model is the contact lines between the layers themselves. When evolutionists look at this contact point between the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Shale, as seen to the right, they see 10 million years of “missing” time and material. contact line But the creationists, using the biblical model, don’t see “missing” material at all. They see classic flood geology, only on a scale so large that it boggles the mind of the evolutionist. Note the knife-edge line of the contact point; this contact is the same throughout the length of the Canyon. If this represents 10 million years of missing material, why don’t we see any sign of either physical or chemical erosion between the layers? So does this “prove” the Grand Canyon is the result of a global Flood or how it was formed? No. It does show, however, that there is a legitimate, scientific alternative to the evolutionary dogma that has permeated our society. The “why” As to the “why” of the Grand Canyon, that is somewhat more speculative. The Canyon is often called “Exhibit A” in support of a young earth, and with the wonderful design of its animals and plants, it also confirms the Master Designer, the Creator God of the Bible. The Bible says: “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20). What we see in the Canyon only supports and upholds what we read in the Word of God. And only from down in the Canyon can so much of it be seen. How about considering a thrilling raft trip as a special Christmas gift for your spouse, son or daughter, or even your pastor? Join expedition leader Tom Vail (the author of this article) in July (the June trip is already booked) for an AiG-sponsored raft trip through the Canyon, and learn how the Canyon’s formation can be best explained within biblical history. So is the Grand Canyon there to provide the skeptics with evidence that may be “clearly seen” if only they were willing to see? The heart of the issue is clearly addressed in Colossians 2:8 which reads, “See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.” It is the elementary principles of the world (or those of man) that have developed the evolutionary theories that reject the Word of God and God Himself. As you view the Grand Canyon, remember that it is the result of God’s judgment of the world, not just His creative design. As with everything around us, a simplistic “God made this” is really inadequate, as what we see today is not the world He originally made, since it has all been corrupted by the global judgment of sin—Noah’s Flood. Could God have started a process (evolutionary uniformitarianism) that would have carved the Canyon over millions of years? Perhaps some would say yes, but the issue isn’t what God “could have done.” He could have done it any of a million ways. The issue is what God said He did in His Word. You can trust God’s Word, right from the very first verse, and the Grand Canyon is one of His most magnificent examples of that. Tom Vail is the author of Grand Canyon: a Different View and will be the guide on three AiG Grand Canyon river trips next summer. He is a twenty-five year veteran of guiding in the Canyon and with his wife, Paula, runs Canyon Ministries, which provides Christ-centered rafting trips through the Grand Canyon. Tom welcomes opportunities to share the biblical message of the Grand Canyon. You can find out more about their ministry and how to join them on one of their trips by calling (602) 254-5798 in the USA or visiting www.CanyonMinistries.com. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-08   18:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (78 - 83) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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