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Title: Presidential Scholars: Bush Is The Worst President Of The Modern Era, Bottom Five Of All Time
Source: THINKPROGRESS
URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/
Published: Jul 1, 2010
Author: Alex Seitz-Wald
Post Date: 2010-07-01 12:49:51 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 145406
Comments: 152

Since 1982, the Siena Research Institute has polled presidential scholars on whom they view to be best and worst presidents in American history, based on a variety of issues from “integrity” to economic stewardship. This year’s poll of 238 scholars found that President Franklin Roosevelt was once again ranked on top, joined by Presidents Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, and Teddy Roosevelt to complete the top five. However, President George W. Bush did not fare well since the last poll was conducted in 2002. He dropped 16 places to 39th, making him the worst president since Warren Harding died in office in 1923, and one of the bottom five of all time, according to the experts:

Today, just one year after leaving office, the former president has
found himself in the bottom five at 39th rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. Rounding out the bottom five are four presidents that have held that dubious distinction each time the survey has been conducted: Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Franklin Pierce.

Bush was rated second from the bottom on “intelligence,” “foreign policy
accomplishments,” and “handling of U.S. economy.” This despite promises from Bush supporters that “history will be very kind” to the former president, as his Attorney General John Ashcroft put it. Bush’s father’s legacy “held constant” in this year’s poll, with George H.W. Bush coming in at 22nd. President Reagan “dropped two places from 16th overall in 2002 to 18th today.” President Obama was ranked 15th. (HT: Taegan Goddard)

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#41. To: sneakypete (#40)

Communism BY DEFINITION is against human nature

So is a constitutional republic.

war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: war (#41)

Communism BY DEFINITION is against human nature So is a constitutional republic.

Only in "War World" and other communist enclaves.

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sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   10:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#42)

Read Hobbes' State of Nature....

Leviathan (1651) was clearly Hobbes's masterpiece. Man is not naturally good, Hobbes claimed, but naturally a selfish hedonist -- "of the voluntary acts of every man, the object is some good to himself". As human motives were, in their natural state, guided by unenlightened self-interest, these could, if left unchecked, have highly destructive consequences. Left unrestrained, humans, propelled by their internal dynamics, would crash against each other. Hobbes tried to envision what society would be like in a "state of nature" -- before any civil state or rule of law. His conclusion was despiriting: life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short", a "war of every man against every man".

Nonetheless, as all people are equal (in a physical not a moral sense), possessing a passionate love of survival (right of nature) and some degree of rationality (law of nature), Hobbes concluded that a viable, working society would arise as an equilibrium between these competing forces. The logic is simple. Any person's right of nature justifies violence against everybody else. Consequently, in the interests of personal survival, people will come around to agreeing that they should renounce their right to use violence. However, this yields up a tense and unstable equilibrium. The moment one party deviates from their promise, all will deviate and war restarts.

To keep society going with peace and confidence, then an artifice -- a Leviathan -- must be worked into the social contract. This Leviathan is the State -- whether in the form of an absolute monarch or a democratic parliament, it does not matter. The important point is that the State will be given a monopoly on violence and absolute authority. In return, the State promises to exercise its absolute power to maintain a state of peace (by punishing deviants, etc.) Realizing that its power depends wholly on the willingness of the citizenry to surrender theirs, the State itself will have an incentive not to abuse it. Of course, there is no guarantee that it won't. But when it does, it must brace itself for the consequences.

One of the interesting elements of Hobbes's story is that concepts like morality, liberty, justice, property, etc. have no natural, intrinsic or eternal meaning. They are pure social constructions. They are generated and imposed by the Leviathan, through his laws and institutions, to keep war and social disorder at bay. As history has shown, no set of values will last forever but will evolve as circumstances change.

war  posted on  2010-07-08   10:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#43)

One of the interesting elements of Hobbes's story is that concepts like morality, liberty, justice, property, etc. have no natural, intrinsic or eternal meaning. They are pure social constructions.

He's wrong.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   21:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#44) (Edited)

He's wrong.

No he's not. He'd dead on. Morality is first and foremost a Social Construct. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   7:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#45)

You're crazy aren't you. Fucking insane.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-09   8:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#45)

Not to beat a dead horse. But the other day you said I falsely called you a liar.

Well it wasn't false. When you post something with your name and you change the article to say that is what it was. That is a lie. Just wanted you to know why I said that. Carry on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-09   8:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#47)

But the other day you said I falsely called you a liar.

You did and your logic is contorted. I admitted that I added in the word "obese". It in no way changed the article.

But for someone with such a strong sense of "truth" you certainly don't mind lying about evolution.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war (#48)

I admitted that I added in the word "obese". It in no way changed the article.

Bahaaaaaaaa...........

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#46)

Let's stipulate to the truth of Genesis. When Eve, faced with the decision between "right" and "wrong", what decision did she make?

When Cain, confronted with his murder, what decision did he make?

These are illustrations of the 1st and 6th commandments.

Why were the Ten Commandments even necessary?

MORALITY is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#49) (Edited)

Bahaaaaaaaa...........

Put your teeth in...I can't understand a word you're saying...

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#50)

www.thefreedictionary.com/change

CHANGE

1. The act, process, or result of altering or modifying

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull, w.a.r. (#52)

Good try, but my advice is don't bother with definitions of words.

His hero can't even understand what the meaning of "is" . . . is.

If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-07-09   8:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#52) (Edited)

I'll give you nine more...and then ten next week and each week thereafter and after a year maybe you'll be able to have an intelligent conversation.

How long are you going to dwell on this, Dancing Nancy? I capitulated to the prevailing double standard here. Frankly, it's really none of your business You're just an asshole poster here.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#54)

How long are you going to dwell on this, Dancing Nancy?

Forever.

Each time you deny you changed that article, leaves you open to ridicule, and that I can't resist :P

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ignore Amos (#53)

Good try, but my advice is don't bother with definitions of words.

I know, but it's sooooooo hard not to point at IT and laugh :)

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

leaves you open to ridicule

You have a lower threshold than I do. Nothing you've done comes close to ridicule, Cheetah [snicker]...

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#56)

...but it's sooooooo hard not

Chuckles...try viagara or cialis...

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: The Tool (#57)

You have a lower threshold than I do

I'm afraid not Tool. When one openly lies like yourself, and continues to lie, they've hit bottom.

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#59) (Edited)

You can repeat that lie ad infinitum.

And you're hardly one to be casting stones...

Somewhere there's a discussion of the 10 Commandments...how do you feel about the 7th?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   9:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

How long are you going to dwell on this, Dancing Nancy? Forever.

Each time you deny you changed that article, leaves you open to ridicule, and that I can't resist :P

We'll never actually know how many times dwarf did this over the past couple of years here, and elsewhere.

Does anyone actually believe this was a 'first time error in judgement' on the part of this clown?

Doubt it.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-09   9:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Tool (#60)

Somewhere there's a discussion of the 10 Commandments...how do you feel about the 7th?

hahahahahaha :P

I LOVE the 7th!!!

I haven't paid attention to them since they were beat them out of me at St Thomas, many years ago.

Where does your lying fit, Tool?

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   9:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Your premise is faulty. I don't lie.

How about you and the 7th?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   9:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: war (#63)

I don't lie.

Yeah, you do lie, and yes, I love women. My bad. You should try it some time Twinkle Toes:P

Am I a liberal or a conservative? - Fredo Mertz

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   10:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

I don't lie.

(laughing)

His entire internet persona is a lie.

And Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman...Ms Lewinsky.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-09   10:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#64) (Edited)

So which is worse...adding "obese" into an article to accurately describe the fat fuck of a New Jersey governor or popping your co-moderator behind your wife's back - a wife to whom you promised to forsake all others?

Which is worse?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   10:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

Hello? McFly?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   11:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: war (#45)

No he's not. He'd dead on.

Well,at least he is dead,anyway.

Morality is first and foremost a Social Construct. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

Wrong once again.

Tell me,where did all this "social construct" come from?

Did it fall off a tree?

Was it delivered by the Social Construct Cat?

Or maybe it came from humans?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-09   12:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: sneakypete (#68)

Tell me,where did all this "social construct" come from?

They evolved over time, first by brute force of death or shunning, second through tradition.

The leader of a troop of silver backed monkeys will protect his mates from the occasional rival with fights to the death or he will throw stones to remove the offender from the group.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   13:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: war (#66)

So which is worse...adding "obese" into an article to accurately describe the fat fuck of a New Jersey governor or popping your co-moderator behind your wife's back - a wife to whom you promised to forsake all others?

Just too funny. It brings a whole new meaning to 4um's mission statement. I bet he gets Stone to take your comment down, he's such a pussy. Might even demand you apologize too.

He's quite regal you know.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-09   14:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mininggold (#70) (Edited)

Hey...I was simply using the "royal" you and the "royal" your in an effort to find the perimeter of Tull's "Outrage Border".

[snicker]

war  posted on  2010-07-09   14:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#71)

Hey...I was simply using the "royal" you and the royal your in an effort to find the perimeter of Tull's "Outrage Border".

His behavior's okay though because he loves women. Morals, ethics and power have nothing to do with it.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-09   14:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: mininggold (#70)

Just too funny. It brings a whole new meaning to 4um's mission statement.

It all makes more sense now. lol

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09   15:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Fred Mertz (#73)

What is the mission statement? That site is blocked here.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   15:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Brian S (#0)

President Obama was ranked 15th.

That is hilarious and pathetic!

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-07-09   15:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: war (#74)

I guess if you're in with the in-crowd you won't get banned.

The mission of this forum is to provide a cyberspace meeting place where lovers of individual freedom can gather to post articles and opinions about the world's events and how these events affect their unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property.

One of our fundamental rights is that of our right to freedom of association. The correlative right to freedom of association is the equally important right to freedom of non-association. Yes, the right to NOT associate -- to exclude people from our interrelationships, for any reason, based on personal preference, is also a fundamental right. This right should be free from government interference, coercion, policies, statutes, rules, regulations, codes, or force.

Another fundamental right is the right to private property -- to own and enjoy our property free from government or second-party interference, as long as one's use of that property does not trespass on the equal rights of another.

Consistent with these two fundamental unalienable rights, this forum constitutes the private property of its owners and, as such, allows for the exercise of our right to freedom of association and freedom of non-association, based on our preferences. Therefore, regarding banning policies of this forum, as they relate to the protection of private property, the owners reserve the right to suspend or terminate the posting privileges of guests on this forum at our discretion.

That said, we will endeavor to use this discretion judiciously while being mindful of not allowing guests to post on this forum who, we believe, are detrimental to the goals and values consistent with that of individual liberty.

Thank you

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09   15:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Fred Mertz (#76)

That said, we will endeavor to use this discretion judiciously

Given how sensitive Tull is to his staion as Resident Asshole, the above should be modified.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   15:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: war (#74)

I guess when I was in Florida, Stoner got unbanned from there. I wonder what caused that to happen.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09   15:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war (#77)

Where did Tull go? He seemed to be having such fun this morning here.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09   15:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Fred Mertz (#79) (Edited)

Where did Tull go? He seemed to be having such fun this morning here.

Maybe he's looking for a nice clean sheet of paper and a pencil to work out the moral pose I gave him this morning.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   15:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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