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Title: The auto rebound is a myth
Source: CNN Money
URL Source: http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/29/new ... /auto_sales_weakness/index.htm
Published: Jun 29, 2010
Author: Chris Isidore
Post Date: 2010-06-29 14:57:37 by Badeye
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Views: 497
Comments: 13

The auto rebound is a myth By Chris Isidore, senior writerJune 29, 2010: 10:19 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The auto industry appears to be turning the corner. But the American consumer has yet to come along for the ride.

Overall U.S. auto sales have rebounded nicely, up 17% through the first five months of the year. Auto companies will announce their sales for June on Thursday and analysts expect another increase from a year ago.

Even though auto sales are up this year, it's mostly due to businesses buying cars. Consumers still aren't flocking to dealerships. But much of the improvement has been due to a 38% jump in fleet sales to businesses, such as rental car companies. Retail sales are up a far more modest 12%.

"Consumer confidence is far from repaired," said Jesse Toprak, vice president of industry trends at TrueCar.com. "They can't pull the trigger on big ticket purchases. We don't see that changing any time soon."

In fact, the current sales pace isn't even keeping up with the rate of vehicles being scrapped because they've reached the end of their useful lives.

With 12 million vehicles a year being scrapped and with 1 million to 2 million new drivers being added to the roads every year, sales of anything under 13 million to 14 million vehicles indicates weak consumer demand. But the year-to-date sales pace has averaged just 11.3 million vehicles. That's yet another sign of how fragile the economy is.

"With high unemployment and the need to cut debt, consumer spending is still logically restrained. The industry is years away from normal levels," said Paul Ballew, senior vice president at insurance company Nationwide Financial.

0:00 /2:10GM dealer: One year later Ballew said the drop in demand for new vehicles in recent years was unlike anything since the 1982 recession. It took five or six years for demand to fully come back after that He expects it will take a similar amount of time for demand to return to more "normal" levels, which he estimates at about 16 million vehicles annually.

Toprak said tight credit remains a major drag on sales too. He said many consumers who would normally be considered good credit risks are having trouble getting car loans.

"Maybe they were too loose with credit in the past, but underwriters went from one extreme to another," he said.

The fact that housing prices remain depressed continues to be a significant problem as well, said George Pipas, director of sales analysis for Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500). Recent declines in the stock market also can slow demand for auto sales.

"There was such destruction of wealth that occurred in the Great Recession that even though technically the recovery is underway, for many consumers it'll be at least 12 months before they feel like we're out of a recession," Pipas said.

The good news for the industry though is that automakers can be profitable even with sharply lower sales because they made deep cuts in overhead costs and capacity during the downturn.

Ford is completing its fourth straight profitable quarter, and General Motors returned to the black in the first quarter, putting it in position to again sell shares to the public later this year or early next year.

Demand is strong enough to keep GM assembly lines churning out cars through what would normally be the scheduled summer shutdown. Toyota Motor (TM) just resumed construction of a Mississippi plant that has been on hold for two years.

But with increasing signs that the pace of U.S. economic growth is slowing down, auto sales are likely to continue to tread water, at best.

"This was supposed to be the start of a robust sales recovery, but it now seems like it's not going to be the case," said Toprak.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Try not to cry....(chuckle)

News Update: Owe-bama ordered eggs and toast for breakfast. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN all agree the decision to avoid bagels was 'Brilliant!' (eyes rolling)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-29   14:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Badeye (#1)

Try not to cry....(chuckle)

The more appropriate observation is "try not to celebrate..."

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-29   15:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#2)

Just more from the Limbaugh wing celebrating the collapse of the country.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-06-29   15:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Skip Intro (#3)

CNN is the 'Limbaugh wing' huh?

rotfl.

News Update: Owe-bama ordered eggs and toast for breakfast. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN all agree the decision to avoid bagels was 'Brilliant!' (eyes rolling)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-29   15:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Badeye (#4)

No, I was talking about you.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-06-29   15:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Skip Intro (#5)

Then it confirms 1) you don't have anything better to do, like a job...and 2) You can't dispute the facts in the article.

I'm okay with it, skippy.

How a CNN article represents the Limbaugh wing still escapes, but whatever.

News Update: Owe-bama ordered eggs and toast for breakfast. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN all agree the decision to avoid bagels was 'Brilliant!' (eyes rolling)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-29   15:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#6)

How a CNN article represents the Limbaugh wing still escapes, but whatever.

I see that. I also see that you and no gnu taxes post every negative article about this country you can find.

So the point is not what the source is, but what the intention of the poster is.

Get it yet?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-06-29   15:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Badeye (#6)

you don't have anything better to do, like a job

I already said I'm pretty well fixed for life.

But, in fact, now I do have something better to do since the fog has finally cleared here and I can finally see the surf at the Pismo Beach pier clearly on Surfline, so I'm out of here for a while.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-06-29   15:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#7)

Yes, I 'get' you'd like to control what is posted.

Too bad, sooo sad.

News Update: Owe-bama ordered eggs and toast for breakfast. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN all agree the decision to avoid bagels was 'Brilliant!' (eyes rolling)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-29   15:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Skip Intro (#8)

Uh huh, sure you are skippy...sure you are.

News Update: Owe-bama ordered eggs and toast for breakfast. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN all agree the decision to avoid bagels was 'Brilliant!' (eyes rolling)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-29   15:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Skip Intro (#8)

But, in fact, now I do have something better to do since the fog has finally cleared here and I can finally see the surf at the Pismo Beach pier clearly on Surfline, so I'm out of here for a while

Have you noticed an increase of summer tourists in your area? They have already arrived in my area in record numbers.

I think California is going to benefit immensely from the Gulf Coast's catastrophe.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-29   22:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11)

Have you noticed an increase of summer tourists in your area? They have already arrived in my area in record numbers.

Yeah, I went surfing this afternoon and the beach was packed with tourists. It was surprising because weather at the beach has been crappy this June.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-06-29   23:00:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Skip Intro, War, All (#3)

"When I first saw [the ticker] at 2:30, I thought a nuclear bomb went off. What you saw today is the tip of the iceberg." Fisher, of course, is referring to today's stock market plunge, which sent shares down nearly 1,000 points before they rebounded nearly 700 points. Fisher, an expert in high-speed, electronic trading, made a rare appearance on the business news channel to sound the alarm. "Humans can't keep up," he said. "There is no way this is not going to happen again if we don't slow this down. This is a warning to everybody." CNBC, citing multiple sources, reported that a single trader at banking giant Citigroup (C) made a human error, possibly by erroneously entering the value of a single trade. Such errors are known on Wall Street as "fat finger" trades, because the error can be a simple as a trader pressing the wrong button. See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/aAGa5g

EVERYONE here remember this? LMFAO

Anyone here see that SOMEONE tried to sell CITI AGAIN !!!:

"Via: Bloomberg:

A 17 percent plunge in Citigroup Inc. today triggered a five-minute trading pause, making the bank the second company halted by the two-week-old circuit- breaker program created to prevent market panics.

And this AM, despite the PPT's best efforts, the markets aren't holding.

And could Bloomberg/CNBS have spent Anymore time on Verizon/Apple yesterday PM? LMFAO.

The collapse happened Feb/Mar 09. We're all just waiting for the crash now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-30   9:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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