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Title: Government Lowers Growth Estimate for First Quarter to 2.7 Percent
Source: FNc
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... arter-percent/?test=latestnews
Published: Jun 25, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-06-25 09:52:45 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 12208
Comments: 33

Government Lowers Growth Estimate for First Quarter to 2.7 Percent

Published June 25, 2010 | Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- The government lowered its estimate of how much the economy grew in the first quarter of the year, noting that consumers spent less than it previously thought.

Gross domestic product rose by 2.7 percent in the January-to-March period, the Commerce Department said Friday. That was less than the 3 percent estimate for the quarter that the government released last month. It was also much slower than the 5.6 percent pace in the previous quarter.

The department's report is the third of three estimates it makes for each quarter's GDP, the broadest measure of the nation's economic output. The first quarter's growth rate declined from earlier reports because consumers spent less than previously estimated, while the nation imported more goods from overseas.

The government updates the figures with new information that is released after the initial reports.

The economy has now grown for three consecutive quarters after shrinking for four straight during the recession -- the longest contraction since World War II.

In normal times, 2.7 percent growth would be considered healthy. But it's relatively weak for a recovery after a steep recession. After the last sharp downturn in the early 1980s, GDP grew at rates of 7 percent to 9 percent for five straight quarters.

Still, there were signs of health in the report. Consumers boosted their spending by 3 percent, almost double the pace of the previous quarter and the largest increase in three years. Businesses ratcheted up their spending on equipment and software by 11.4 percent.

Growth of roughly 3 percent is needed just to generate enough jobs to keep up with increasing population. Many economists say growth needs to reach 5 percent for a full year to lower the jobless rate, currently at 9.7 percent, by one percentage point.

In the past three quarters, growth has averaged 3.5 percent.

GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced in the United States and is considered the best measure of the country's economic health.

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#1. To: All (#0)

As I noted several months back, they were lying about economic growth. As I noted, it would be revised downward. As I noted the first time it was revised downward, it would be revised downward further.

And now you know why I stated what I did in the interview I gave.

Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-25   9:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Badeye (#0)

The Obama Depression

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-25   9:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#1)

Gee Boofer...what a fucking sage you are.

Everyone expected a revision.

As for why you stated what you stated...corporate profits were up 8%. Spend more time working and less time whining like a bitch on the internet.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

As much as I detest Owe-bama, we're getting into territory thats frightening for the country. He's done nothing to help this economy recover, in fact what he's done has made the situation worse in just about every catagory you can mention.

13 trillion deficit. Record number of unemployed. Record numbers of bankruptcy's. Record number of foreclosures.

Then there is the failing war in Afghanistan, his 'good war'. Its not exceeded Vietnam and become America's 'longest war'. More troops killed in the past 15 months than in the previous eight years combined. Chaos within the leadership.

The oil spill thats in day 67, and is apparently going to be spewing oil til after the end of this year. The economic and enviromental implications are staggering, and grow large with each passing day.

The border with Mexico is now a full blown war zone.

And all he can do is give meaningless speeches between rounds of golf and parties with brain dead wealthy celebrities....

Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-25   10:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Badeye, go65, Padlock (#4)

He's done nothing to help this economy recover

As 1Q GDP shows, the economy was in recovery...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#5)

But it's relatively weak for a recovery after a steep recession. After the last sharp downturn in the early 1980s, GDP grew at rates of 7 percent to 9 percent for five straight quarters.

The Obama Depression

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-25   10:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

If it's a depression...it's Boy Blunder's...

You folks are essentially laughing at Obama for not being able to fix what you broke.

And, by all accounts, the turn around CAN be traced to the stim.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

The stimulus did exactly what its critics said it would. run up the national debt, and not produce a damn thing that benefitted the economy, or the taxpayers.

Its pathetic how some want to try and spin whats happening.

Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-25   10:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#8)

The stimulus did exactly what its critics said it would. run up the national debt, and not produce a damn thing that benefitted the economy, or the taxpayers.

The bleeding of jobs stopped. The bleeding in the housing market was abated.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#7)

No, it's the kenyan's. Businesses are reluctant to hire wondering what else that idiot will screw up.

OTOH, The Bush tax cuts worked:

The Successful 2003 Tax Rate Cuts

By contrast, the 2003 tax cuts lowered income, capital gains, and dividend tax rates. These policies were designed to increase market incentives to work, save, and invest, thus creating jobs and increasing economic growth. An analysis of the six quarters before and after the 2003 tax cuts (a short enough time frame to exclude the 2001 recession) shows that the policies worked:

* GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1 percent.

* Non-residential fixed investment declined for 13 consecutive quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. Since then, it has expanded for 13 consecutive quarters.

* The S&P 500 dropped 18 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32 percent over the next six quarters. Dividend payouts increased as well.

* The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs--and 5.3 million jobs over 13 quarters.

Critics contend that the economy was already recovering and that this strong expansion would have occurred even without the tax cuts. While some growth was occurring naturally, critics do not explain why such a sudden and dramatic turnaround began at the exact moment that these pro-growth policies were enacted. They do not explain why business investment, the stock market, and job numbers suddenly turned around in spring 2003. It is no coincidence that the expansion was powered by strong investment growth, exactly as the tax cuts intended.

Conclusion

The 2003 tax rate cuts succeeded, because they increased incentives to work, save, and invest, thereby creating new wealth. The 2001 tax cuts, based more on demand-side tax rebates and redistribution, did not significantly increase economic growth. Lawmakers currently examining economic stimulus proposals should reject rebates in favor of tax rate reductions.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-25   10:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: no gnu taxes (#10)

Please Puddin'...the tax cuts set us on the road to fiscal ruin. They were wholly unnecessary...economic growth/job growth were trending up when they were instituted. It was the most irresponsible fiscal act committed by Boy Blunder and given the multitude of irresponsible acts committed by him, that speaks volumes...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

It was the most irresponsible fiscal act

That, too, is a myth:

Recent research on President Bush's tax relief in 2001 and 2003 has found that the lower tax rates induced taxpayers to report more taxable income. In particular, the reduction in the top two tax rates induced taxpayers to report more taxable income—an increase in the size of the tax base—to such an extent that this positive behavioral response likely offset roughly 25 percent to 40 percent of the static revenue loss of lowering the top two tax rates. This research illustrates that, while the lower tax rates have not paid for themselves, they do provide important economic benefits and can expand the tax base to such an extent that they cost the federal government substantially less revenue than the casual observer might think. Moreover, this research may provide valuable insights into the harmful effects of high tax rates as the Presidential candidates' tax plans are evaluated.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/23534.html

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-25   10:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

Congressional Budget Office data show that the tax cuts have been the single largest contributor to the reemergence of substantial budget deficits in recent years. Legislation enacted since 2001 added about $3.0 trillion to deficits between 2001 and 2007, with nearly half of this deterioration in the budget due to the tax cuts (about a third was due to increases in security spending, and about a sixth to increases in domestic spending). Yet the President and some Congressional leaders decline to acknowledge the tax cuts’ role in the nation’s budget problems, falling back instead on the discredited nostrum that tax cuts “pay for themselves.”

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

The featured estimate in the Treasury study is that making the tax cuts permanent would add 0.7 percent to the size of the economy over the long run, under the unrealistic assumption that the tax cuts are paid for by deep and unspecified reductions in government programs that start in 2017. The report does not specify what “long run” means, but if the higher growth rates were spread over 20 years,[3] an ultimate increase of 0.7 percent in the size of the economy would mean an increase of just four one-hundredths of one percent in the average annual growth rate. For example, instead of average annual growth of 3.0 percent, the economy would have an average annual growth rate of 3.04 percent. As shown in Figure 1, this difference is so small as to be barely perceptible.

Moreover, the Treasury study acknowledges that the long-run growth rate would not rise at all. The study indicates that after some period of time (such as 20 years), the barely noticeable, slightly higher annual average growth rate cited above would end, and the rate of economic growth after that would merely be the same as it would be if the tax cuts are allowed to expire.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

BDS is an affliction from which there is no recovery. Its victims are forever irrational, immune to facts or basic math.

Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-25   10:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#13)

Congressional Budget Office data

GIGO

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-25   10:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Badeye (#15)

Tax Cut Extensions Would Ratchet Up National Debt Washington, D.C. (May 25, 2010)

By WebCPA Staff

PrintE-mailReprintsExtending the 2001 and 2003 federal income tax cuts would sharply increase the national debt, even if the extensions were limited to individuals earning below $200,000, according to a new report by the Pew Economic Policy Group.

The current debt-to-gross-domestic-product ratio in the United States is 57 percent, compared to an average of 37 percent over the last 50 years. Making the tax cuts permanent for all taxpayers would cost $3.1 trillion, including interest on the national debt, over 10 years, and cause the national debt-to- GDP ratio to rise to 82 percent.

If the cuts were only extended to individuals earning less than $200,000 and married couples earning less than $250,000, as proposed in the Obama administration’s budget, the 10-year cost of the cuts would be $2.3 trillion, including debt interest, and the debt-to-GDP ratio would increase to 78 percent. Both of these ratios would be the highest since 1950, when the U.S. was still paying off debts incurred during World War II.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   10:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

Huh?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   11:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#17)

Which Bush Policies Failed?

November 4, 2008

Barack Obama loves to say the financial crisis is the “final verdict” on “eight years of failed Bush policies”.

Which Bush policies hurt the economy?

Since O’Reilly had only a half hour with Obama and the rest of the media has given him a pass, we still don’t have the details about what Obama meant by that sound-bite. I think Obama’s a closet socialist so he may think Bush didn’t grow government enough. However, Senator McCaskill assures us Obama will “camp in the middle”, so perhaps Obama just disagreed with Bush about priorities.

To keep things simple, I’ll just take a guess which five areas the public might think of when they hear the phase, “eight years of failed Bush policies.”

Tax cuts? Often, Democrats blame the Bush tax cuts for the booming deficit. Problem is tax receipts are much higher since the tax cuts passed. Let me repeat – tax revenue is higher. The Bush tax cuts worked so well to stimulate the economy that the U.S. economy has kept growing despite the worst terrorist attack (9/11) and natural disaster (Katrina) in U.S. history and two long wars. So, there’s no evidence the tax cuts hurt the economy – to the contrary, they helped a great deal, which is why McCain wants to keep taxes low and offer some additional cuts.

Foreign Trade? Nope. Exports, including U.S. manufactured goods are way up under Bush. If anything, Obama’s more protectionist, pro-labor policies would have hurt the economy.

Spending? Yes, Bush has spent a lot to pay for 9/11, to increase security, to restore Clinton cuts in military spending, to help the Gulf Coast after Katrina, Ike, etc… and to fight the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In addition, Bush has increased spending on programs like the one to to help ex-convicts integrate back into society. It’s true that Bush has allowed a lot of pork spending, but often that was necessary to secure votes to fund national security programs, and wars, that have kept us safe. Sadly, Democrats would have withheld their support otherwise. In any event, if too much spending is the problem, Obama will make things worse. If you think Bush did not spend enough – you should probably go to bed without a cookie. Bad Socialist – no cookie.

Iraq? One thing Democrats say is not a priority is the Iraq War. Set aside the fact that the Iraq war cost less than 5% of the total budget, much lower than other important wars. Also set aside the fact that the World is much better off with a Democracy in place of Saddam (see Joe’s Right About Iraq War). How can Democrats complain about the cost of the Iraq war when they voted for it? Obama often says he’ll save $10 billion / month by pulling troops out of Iraq. How is that possible when he says he’ll increase troops in Afghanistan? And if Obama pulls out of Iraq too early, odds are that the problems that follow will require us to come back at a higher cost (in blood and treasure) than if we just stayed and finished the job right (McCain’s plan).

De-regulation? This fits the Obama narrative that de-regulation caused the credit crisis. I agree that regulations need to be updated to adequately monitor some of the new exotic Wall Street products but blaming deregulation is like blaming the police for property damage after the Detroit Pistons won their first national championship. Would there have been less damage if there were more police? Of course. However, the real culprits are the criminal jerks who celebrate championships by lighting cars on fire. The criminal jerks in this case are Chris Dodd, Barney Frank & Hank Paulson and Democrats in general.

I don’t need need to wait for history’s judgement – I can think this through myself. Obama’s claims that our current economic problems are Bush’s fault says more about Obama’s desire to manipulate you than about Bush. Contrast that with McCain’s readiness to admit where Republicans have failed. Obama says a lot of things that don’t stand up under scrutiny.

Someone who doesn’t back up what they say, probably can’t.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-25   11:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

You're posting off topic opinion, Paddy.

By every measure, the taxcuts had more to do with putting as here fiscally than Obama's stim...it's a fact..deal with it or don't...

Could care less...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   11:09:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

Tax cuts? Often, Democrats blame the Bush tax cuts for the booming deficit. Problem is tax receipts are much higher since the tax cuts passed. Let me repeat – tax revenue is higher. The Bush tax cuts worked so well to stimulate the economy that the U.S. economy has kept growing despite the worst terrorist attack (9/11) and natural disaster (Katrina) in U.S. history and two long wars. So, there’s no evidence the tax cuts hurt the economy – to the contrary, they helped a great deal, which is why McCain wants to keep taxes low and offer some additional cuts.

How does the Alternative Minimum Tax fit into the equation?

After 911, Bush directed us all to go shopping.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-06-25   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Badeye (#15)

BDS is an affliction from which there is no recovery. Its victims are forever irrational, immune to facts or basic math.

Why would you care? As you said you weren't a Bushbot.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-25   11:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#22)

Chuckles...hard to remember that he too was "disappointed" with Boy Blunder which disappointment, btw, has included his fiscal failures.

Then I remember he's my anti-truthie and I ***snicker***...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   11:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mininggold (#22)

Why would you care? As you said you weren't a Bushbot.

Didn't say 'I care'. I said its an affliction from which there is no recovery.

Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-25   12:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#21)

The "tax cuts increase revenues" is a nonsense tact. Tax receipts go up whenever the economy and incomes are growing.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-25   13:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#25)

I remember when Clinton raised taxes and it was supposed to kill the economy.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-06-26   10:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#26)

Chyea...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-26   10:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lucysmom (#26)

After the Clinton tax hikes, real average hourly earnings fell 0.2%, while the unemployment rate fell to 5.5%, at a time when recovery was already under way for more than a year.

After the bush tax cuts, earnings were up 1.8%, while the unemployment rate went down to 4.4%.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-26   10:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: no gnu taxes (#28)

More fun with already debunked numbers, Puddin'?

The 90's speak for themselves and the economica numbers measure up faaar better than the first decade of the 21st century.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-26   10:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#29)

debunked numbers

Bullshit.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-26   10:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: no gnu taxes (#30)

Puddin'...you had to use "6 quarters" yesterday to make a point...what was going on "6 quarters [1.5 years]" before?

As I said...we've had this discussion for years...you post opinions and bullshit stats...I post reality.

FACT: Tax hikes of 1990 and 1993 righted the wrongs of the 80's. n FACT: The Boy Blunder tax cuts coupled to Greenspan's INSANE deflationary policy moves put this nation on the road to fiscal ruin.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-26   14:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#31)

FACT: Tax hikes of 1990 and 1993 righted the wrongs of the 80's.

yawn

So now you are backtracking on your arguments about the 1986 tax CUTS!

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-26   15:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: no gnu taxes (#32) (Edited)

The fact is Tax reform RAISED taxes on a good portion of the middle class.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-26   16:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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