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Title: US general [McChrystal] summoned to Washington
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URL Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/a ... 10/06/2010622111222326834.html
Published: Jun 22, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-06-22 07:56:15 by Fred Mertz
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The top US military commander in Afghanistan has been summoned to Washington after criticising the administration of Barack Obama, the US president, in a magazine article. The White House recalled General Stanley McChrystal from Afghanistan on Tuesday to explain comments he made in a Rolling Stone magazine interview to be published on Friday, military officials said. The order came after McChrystal apologised for the controversial comments in the profile, in which he is quoted denouncing a top diplomat while his aides dismiss Obama and mock his deputies. "I extend my sincerest apology for this profile," McChrystal said in a statement issued ahead of the article's release. "It was a mistake reflecting poor judgement and should never happened." McChrystal, a former special operations chief, usually speaks cautiously in public and has enjoyed mostly sympathetic US media coverage since he took over the Nato-led force last year. "Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honour and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard," he said. Strategy debate In the profile, McChrystal jokes sarcastically about preparing to answer a question referring to Joe Biden, the US vice-president, known to be a sceptic of the commander's war strategy. He also told the magazine that he felt "betrayed" by Karl Eikenberry, the US ambassador to Kabul, in a White House debate over war strategy last year. Referring to a leaked internal memo from Eikenberry that questioned McChrystal's request for more troops, the commander said that the ambassador had tried to protect himself for "for the history books". "I like Karl, I've known him for years, but they'd never said anything like that to us before," McChrystal said in the article. Eikenberry, himself a former commander in Afghanistan, had written to the White House saying Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, was an unreliable partner and that a surge of troops could draw the US into an open-ended quagmire. The article revisits the friction between the White House and the military last year as Obama debated whether to grant McChrystal's request for tens of thousands of reinforcements. Al Jazeera's James Bays, reporting from Kabul, said that McChrystal managed to offend every single one of his key bosses with the statements in the article. Our correspondent said that the Rolling Stone reporter managed to get high level access: "I met the reporter in Washington, DC, over a month ago after he came out of a meeting inside the White House with McChrystal's advisors. "This incident shows the tensions that exist between the top advisors here in Afghanistan. What will happen now is how this agreement is viewed on Capitol Hill and on the Afghan street. "The Taliban is also trying to win over the Afghan people. There is certainly very little disunity normally in the Taliban." Further turmoil Meanwhile, as foreign forces in Afghanistan marked another grim milestone in their war against the Taliban, signs of cracks in the alliance surfaced. After 10 soldiers were killed in a single day, there was further turmoil for Nato as Britain announced that Sherard Cowper-Coles, its special envoy to Afghanistan, was taking "extended leave". William Hague, Britain's foreign secretary, is to review the post of special envoy to Afghanistan, the BBC reported. The news of Cowper-Coles's departure came amid reports that he had clashed with military officials over strategy, just a month ahead of a crucial international conference in the Afghan city of Kabul. The Guardian newspaper reported there had been serious disagreements in recent months between Cowper-Coles and officials from Nato. It said that Cowper-Coles was convinced the military-focused counter-insurgency effort was headed for failure and wanted talks with Taliban fighters to be a priority. The Taliban, however, has so far rejected a plan drawn up at a landmark Kabul peace meeting to give jobs and money to those who lay down arms. Last month they promised a new campaign of attacks on diplomats, lawmakers and foreign forces.
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#1. To: All, sneakypete (#0)
Under normal circumstances I would say that McChrystal would be fired and replaced ASAP. However, with the Afghanistan war being such a long term and controversial quagmire, firing McChrystal will only make things worse IMO. I guess I don't know what will happen to McChrystal right now. Maybe a beer summit? What do you think, petey?
I can tell you strait up that this confirms Everything us DirtyF ucking Hippies have been saying since Obama 'created' his War Staff Nov 08. And that 052010 might as well be a Major Leg Artery bleeding out for the Ruling Class. The PTB are forced to turn their attention to the NOGC+ Florida. The US now loses it's Empire. That we can get all of our forces home now is the question.
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And the GOP is a Dead Zombie Party Walking: Is there an issue that they're not wrong footed on? " But when Tapper asked about Texas Rep. Joe Barton's offer to suck Tony Hayward's CEO dick while fingering his own own asshole, Emanuel showed just how to use a carving knife: "It's dangerous for the American people, because while the ranking Republican would have oversight into the energy industry, and if the Republicans were the majority, would have actually the gavel and the chairmanship. That's not a political gaffe, those were prepared remarks. That is a philosophy. That is an approach to what they see." So Sarah Palin's thong was already twisted when Emanuel started offering up pieces of the GOP for devouring, as when he said, "The approach here expressed and supported by other voices in the Republican Party, sees the aggrieved party as BP, not the American -- not the fishermen and the communities down there affected. And that would the governing philosophy. And I think what Joe Barton did is remind the American people, in case they've forgotten, this is how the Republicans would govern."
"The earth is not dying, it is being killed. And those who are killing it have names and addresses." Utah Phillips. McChrystal of Cheney Death Squad Fame. And now cheney lives with historic infamy, both foreign and domestic. And his Karmic Wheel is only just starting to turn. what is it about a ruling class that some people are determined not to understand 8D
McChrystal was involved with the Pat Tillman unfriendly fire cover up; I'd assume the military was under orders from Rumsfeld to do what they did.
McChrystal was involved with the Pat Tillman unfriendly fire cover up; I'd assume the military was under orders from Rumsfeld to do what they did. With Rumsfeld under orders as well. ;} Sep 10, 2011: Rumsfeld: '$2.3 Trillion is missing from the Pentagon.'
McChrystal fucked up here. If you are going to trash the Commander in Chief, you resign first.
Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.
I don't see how he did that. He made an off the cuff remark about Obama seeming unprepared in their first meeting; that's not trashing the president IMO. Of course, I doubt McChrystal ever expected his comment to see the light of day.
Riiiight. He gave an interview to ROLLING STONE, and didn' think his comments (plural, freddie) wouldn't see the light of day....(eyes rolling) Stick to taunting our host til you actually catch up on the details of this particular story, freddie.
Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.
Do you think he'll be fired? Right now I don't think so.
He should be. My view on this sort of thing doesn't change with who is in the Whitehouse. Civilian control, via the President, is how this works. MCChrystal knew what he was saying, knew it would be published. If he didn't, he's not smart enough for the job he currently holds. This is 'political' and a far reaching attack on the civilian authority he is required to obey.
Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.
I think he should be. I don't think Obama will, tho. I do expect the wheels to be set immediately into motion for his replacement and he resigns just before Labor Day when no one is paying attention to anything.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I'll say around Thanksgiving time. I'm sure they already have his replacement selected though I'm not sure who it might be.
I find active duty officers going off the reservation to be one of the more disturbing aspects of "politics"...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Defense Secretary Gates Statement on McChrystal Profile ________________________________ IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 520-10 "I read with concern the profile piece on Gen. Stanley McChrystal in the upcoming edition of 'Rolling Stone' magazine. I believe that Gen. McChrystal made a significant mistake and exercised poor judgment in this case. We are fighting a war against al Qaeda and its extremist allies, who directly threaten the United States, Afghanistan, and our friends and allies around the world. Going forward, we must pursue this mission with a unity of purpose. Our troops and coalition partners are making extraordinary sacrifices on behalf of our security, and our singular focus must be on supporting them and succeeding in Afghanistan without such distractions. Gen. McChrystal has apologized to me and is similarly reaching out to others named in this article to apologize to them as well. I have recalled Gen. McChrystal to Washington to discuss this in person." U.S. Department of Defense
I think the whole situation is a clusterbleep. I don't see how Barry Soetoro can NOT fire McChrystal. It's almost a requirement now. I don't feel sorry for McChrystal for two reasons,though. Number 1 is he is a Obomite,and number 2 he should have just called a news conference long ago to announce his retirement because he couldn't in good conscience follow orders he knew to be both dangerous to his troops and pointless. Instead he chose to stay silent all this time because he put his career ahead of his duty.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If by "going off the tracks" you mean publicly protesting the orders,tactics,and strategy of their civilian masters,I disagree. There is not only nothing wrong with it,but they have a OBLIGATION to do so. Their loyalty is to the US Constitution,the country itself,and the men and women under their command,not any political leader.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
McChrystal and his staff had good vibes and relationships with Hillary. That's what surprised me most about this.
They swore an oath to the USCON under which the POTUS is their commander and their rules of behavior [UCMJ] are set by Congress. Look...I have respect for both his uniform and his rank and I have respect for his opinions as well. I just get uneasy. What happens when we get a general who can convince soldiers under his command that the USCON is just a "goddammed piece of paper"? He has to be fired. And then given a parade.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Liberals "feel" an officer's oath is to the CIC.
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If the oath were to CIC rather than the Constitution it would far more catastrophic to have a CIC that felt the Constitution is just a "a piece of paper". You really are dumber than a box of rocks.
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Fred...rather than the beer summit maybe barack could try one of his newly found ass kicking routines out on the General. Your a betting man I gather....what might be the "line" on that match?
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is positively the most hilariously BS overflowing comment from the resident obamunist spent-condom EVER:) "This is WHY I left the GOP in the mid 90's. ." Dwarf
3-1 McChrystal stays in his job.
That he is.....as such not a single concern for the bus that will soon roll over the top of this guy. Maybe barack can just appoint a military czar from his rollodex of chicago yes-man cronies and be done with this potentially embarrassing string of unpredictable career military guys.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is positively the most hilariously BS overflowing comment from the resident obamunist spent-condom EVER:) "This is WHY I left the GOP in the mid 90's. ." Dwarf
Is that the LV line or your line?.....either way I'm surprised cause I'm sure he's got to be "gone" for clearly stepping far off the reservation......especially when barack needs to look tough right now. Kick ass and all that stuff.....
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is positively the most hilariously BS overflowing comment from the resident obamunist spent-condom EVER:) "This is WHY I left the GOP in the mid 90's. ." Dwarf
I'll take that.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I seriously think a lot of Barry's current problems are a result of Hillary making her 2012 moves.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
PARTIALLY true. They swear a oath to the country and the US Constitution. There is no such thing as a loyalty oath to a president.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Well,we already know Barry if pretty bleeping stupid,so I guess that is possible.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I never said that there was. Again, the USCON - to which they've sworn the oath - designates POTUS their Commander in Chief and the same USCON designates the Congress as the rule making body for the military. What does the UCMJ demand in this regard?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
No,but you danced right up to the line and implied it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
My contributions on threads such as these are framed in the context that the military is constitionally subservient to civilian authorities. I could not tell you how long it's been that I have understood the bifurcation between POTUS and commnader-in-chief but it's easily been 30+ years.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Didn't Obama give him what he wanted?
The maximum is dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.
I understand that,but you seem to be unable to see the trees for the forest. McChrystal isn't the military. He is a individual soldier who just happens to be in a position where he not only had a right to speak up,but where his position DEMANDS he speak up. Granted,he did it wrong because he should have chosen to speak up at the press conference he called to announce his resignation,but he was still obligated to speak out. Country ahead of career.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Apparently not.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No...about 2/3rd's of what he wanted. When a CIC starts doubting his field commanders it's time to fire the guy or end the war.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
WRONG! We do NOT live in the leftist police state that you admire so much. We live in a free country (barely) where the military take loyalty oaths to the Constitution,not a political leader. Your idols Adolph,Mao, and Uncle Joe had the system you think we have and that you admire,though.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. Your idols Adolph,Mao, and Uncle Joe had the system you think we have and that you admire,though. What a pile of poop!
WRONG! The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. You don't have the first bleeping clue about what the UMCJ says. Just in case your communist mind is still confused,US Military members are NOT slaves and they do NOT owe their allegiance to any political leader.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
888. Art. 88. Contempt toward officials Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/military_justice/punitive-articles-of-the-.shtml
Communist? How many capitalist CEOs would tolerate public McCrystalesque speech directed towards himself or his corporation. Members of the military are not slaves, they freely sign a contract for a specified length of time and agree to a certain standard of behavior, McCrystal violated those standards.
Its Owe-bama's war, freddie.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
...claims the LF Hall Monitor...
Says the gambling addict....(laughing)
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Members of the military are not slaves, they freely sign a contract for a specified length of time and agree to a certain standard of behavior, McCrystal violated those standards. You learn something new everyday here. I didn't realize that the constitution had provisions for the military overthrow of the government.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
Badeye had the nerve to actually post this today. LOLOL "Basic tenent of liberalism is not accepting personal responsibility for ANYTHING. Just blame someone, or something, else."
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
I'm still trying to figure out what his new tagline is all about.
It's celebrating an event from 10 years ago...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I suppose the guy lives in the past. How irrelevant can one be?
Probably racking up google hits, he sees forums like this as his personal cash cows.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
When you have to lie in an internet "biography" about authoring books and hosting talk shows? It's the depths of the unknown quantity mon frer...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Its in super secret code.
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission. It is also relatively new because it mentions Boy Jorge's Office of Reich Security.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Just in case your communist mind is still confused,US Military members are NOT slaves and they do NOT owe their allegiance to any political leader. Communist? Yes,communist. That's what you are. How many capitalist CEOs would tolerate public McCrystalesque speech directed towards himself or his corporation. Now you think the military is required by law to be respectful towards corporate CEO's?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Where did you "learn" that?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It is also relatively new because it mentions Boy Jorge's Office of Reich Security. I guess you've never been in the military.
Prepare to have your ass handed to you on this one.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
She's right per Article 88 of the UCMJ. However, you are right in terms of politics. Nobody is going to prosecute McChrystal.
Nope. Article 88 of the UCMJ states: ----- Text. “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.” Elements. (1) That the accused was a commissioned officer of the United States armed forces; (2) That the accused used certain words against an official or legislature named in the article; (3) That by an act of the accused these words came to the knowledge of a person other than the accused; and (4) That the words used were contemptuous, either in themselves or by virtue of the circumstances under which they were used. Note: If the words were against a Governor or legislature, add the following element (5) That the accused was then present in the State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession of the Governor or legislature concerned. The official or legislature against whom the words are used must be occupying one of the offices or be one of the legislatures named in Article 88 at the time of the offense. Neither “Congress” nor “legislature” includes its members individually. “Governor” does not include “lieutenant governor.” It is immaterial whether the words are used against the official in an official or private capacity. If not personally contemptuous, adverse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article. Similarly, expressions of opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily be charged. Giving broad circulation to a written publication containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense. The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial.
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission. It is also relatively new because it mentions Boy Jorge's Office of Reich Security. I guess you've never been in the military. lucysmom posted on 2010-06-24 11:09:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #59. To: lucysmom (#58) Prepare to have your ass handed to you on this one. Ah, YES. Try to read whats posted...in order. Or...perhaps you were 'diverted'? rotfl. sneakypete is a vet, you know this. Goofysmom apparently doesn't.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
She was wrong on that point, but sneaky apparently wasn't familiar with the UCMJ. And you are just plain wrong in most everything you post. :-)
That was the only point in her post, and the only point I addressed. As for the rest of your post, it demonstrates a well worn pattern. The worse a given week goes for Owe-bama, the more childish you become.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Good guess! Tell me what it's like,
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
However, you are right in terms of politics. Nobody is going to prosecute McChrystal. Article 88 will get tossed the very first time they try to prosecute anybody on it. The Nuremberg Trials after WW-2 settled that one. How can Article 88 stand when ALL soldiers,even enlisted privates,are taught they have a DUTY to ignore illegal orders? Not to mention the legal rights subordinate officers have to not only disobey orders from their superiors,but to relive them of command and assume their command if the subordinate officer thinks the commanding officer has either became mentally incompetent or is on a illegal course of action.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
(roaring with laughter) Pass the popcorn, here comes the good part....
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
You understand the difference between refusing to obey an order you believe to be illegal and granting an interview to Rolling Stone?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Oh please Uncle Boofer...tell us again about those three great AMERICAN companies, Royal DUTCH Shell, Exxon and Mobil[e] and how the Jones Act is hindering operations in the Gulf!!! We LOVES that story!!!
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
She was wrong on that point, but sneaky apparently wasn't familiar with the UCMJ. "The military is perhaps not the best career choice for someone bent on the vigorous exercise of civil liberties. As countless drill sergeants have informed their new recruits, 'We're here to defend democracy--not to practice it.'" ...Surely, without respect for the chain of command, a military organization would simply disintegrate in the heat of battle. So it is not surprising that the free speech rights of soldiers are sharply curtailed when it comes to criticizing their superiors." writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20030619_falvy.html Good article, Sneaky, you should read it to prevent future embarrassment.
rotflmao.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
sneakypete: "Good guess! Tell me what it's like," Yes lucysmom, please do....... Huh? The UCMJ wasn't put into law until Truman.
Shhhhh! Like Belushi in Animal House....she's on a roll....(roaring with laughter)
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Hey murron.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Members of the military have been prosecuted, about 122 of them; usually though they are just invited to resign. From the article, it appears that McChrystal has all the social grace and maturity of a high school football player in the locker room.
So you think the military operated without rules until 1950? roaring with laughter! The existing code was revised and standardized in 1950. On 30 June 1775, the Second Continental Congress established 69 Articles of War to govern the conduct of the Continental Army.
Goofy? You want to go back and read the thread slowly? Or, maybe find somebody to read it to you? rotflmao. God, this thread is a hoot. First Rule of Holes, Goofy. When you are in one, stop digging. Second Rule of Holes, don't begin digging another one, til you are out of the first one.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Hey BE...
Goofysmom is providing our entertainment this afternoon. She's quite amusing today.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
I've noticed.. She really seems to be knowledgeable ....about what, I have no idea.
Reminds me of the old saying the most dangerous thing in the world is a second year pysch major....(chuckle)
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
I've heard that many times... They say 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing to have'....I've been in danger all my life....
LOL! Like all "good" lefties,you just LOVE your theories.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
BullBarry. If they were prosecuted they would not have been allowed to resign. They were allowed to resign in order to prevent trying to prosecute them on a regulation that wouldn't stand. From the article, it appears that McChrystal has all the social grace and maturity of a high school football player in the locker room. Well,he IS a Obomomite. Did you expect him to be rational?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Sounds like goofysmom want to date a football player, but was to fat or ugly.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
that's true, but it is derived from the articles of war passed by the 2nd continental congress. She's right again. see: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/contcong_06-30-75.asp
Drink much?
Only with your seester, why?
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Actually, she was wrong as it related to what she said about SP. but your a liberla, not like you can admit such.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Why don't you make an actual point, Boofer? If she's incorrect...point out where.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Nothing like Boofer having a Crown Royal moment, eh Fred?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
The UCMJ (and the article 88 which was referenced) has only been around since 1950. It has not been around since the founding fathers. The statement was false.
Liberals are never wrong, just ask one....lol
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
The statement was false. This article of the UCMJ is relatively new (about 60 years old) but it can trace itself back to colonial times. If you think nobody gets prosecuted under it, think again. Numerous officers have been disciplined for criticizing the president. Two Marine Corps officers were administratively punished for published letters to newspapers that were disrespectful to the president in the 1990s. Article 134, known as the catch-all article, makes criminal those acts of speech that are prejudicial to good order and discipline or that could bring discredit upon the Armed Forces. This is pretty broad and explains why it is often called the catch-all article. If your chain of command thinks your political involvement has affected your unit or the military, you could be punished under this article. http://militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?1559902-Watch-what-you-say-Speech-limits-under-UCMJ Beginning with the adoption of the first Articles of War in 1775, Congress and other civilian leaders have sanctioned this restriction in order to prevent the possibility of a military coup. In applying this principle to the Howe case, the court stated: True, petitioner is a reserve officer, rather than a professional officer, but during the time he serves on active duty, he is, and must be, controlled by the provisions of military law. In this instance, military restrictions fall upon a reluctant "summer soldier"; but in another time, and differing circumstances, the ancient and wise provisions insuring civilian control of the military will restrict the "man on the white horse " www.airpower.maxwell.af.m...w/1980/may-jun/moran.html It seems vital to note that, although Article 88 has its roots in a 1776 directive to the Continental Army drafted by none other than Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, there does not seem to have been any similar concern in the minds of the Founders over the exercise of free speech by members of the armed forces.
Every idiot knows there has been some kind of military justice code since there has been a military. Such a code was not "uniform" before the UCMJ; the standards varied. Your statement that the UCMJ dates back to the founding fathers is false. Admit your error and move on.
They still do under the UCMJ - as sneaky has pointed out.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
quib·ble (kwbl) The UCMJ, has not been titled as such since the founding of our country, however the particular rule in the UCMJ (the heart of the matter) at issue is as old as our country, itself.
Not in the form it is in today,it wasn't. Boy Jorge's new Office of Reich Security is mentioned in it now,and it didn't exist until Boy Jorge,Part 2. I'm thinking some statist/communist/fascist SOB snuck it in without it ever being voted on or even reviewed. No way in hell it can stand. The statists may have been hoping for the perfect case to establish a precedent,but given the Nuremberg Trials,there is no way that crap is going to flush. The Nuremberg Trials forever killed the "I vas chust follink orders!" defense.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#2. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete, All (#1)
#3. To: All (#2)
#4. To: All (#3)
#5. To: All (#4)
(Edited)
#6. To: mcgowanjm (#5)
McChrystal of Cheney Death Squad Fame.
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
#8. To: Fred Mertz (#0)
#9. To: Badeye (#8)
#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)
Of course, I doubt McChrystal ever expected his comment to see the light of day.
#11. To: Badeye (#10)
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
(Edited)
Do you think he'll be fired?
#14. To: war (#13)
#15. To: Fred Mertz (#14)
(Edited)
#16. To: All (#0)
http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=13628
Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:59:00 -0500
June 22, 2010 ________________________________
Defense Secretary Gates Statement on McChrystal Profile
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
#17. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
What do you think, petey?
#18. To: war (#15)
I find active duty officers going off the reservation to be one of the more disturbing aspects of "politics"...
#19. To: sneakypete (#17)
#20. To: sneakypete (#18)
#21. To: sneakypete (#18)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#22. To: war, sneakypete (#20)
What happens when we get a general who can convince soldiers under his command that the USCON is just a "goddammed piece of paper"?
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#23. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#1)
I guess I don't know what will happen to McChrystal right now. Maybe a beer summit?
#24. To: e_type_jag (#23)
#25. To: sneakypete (#17)
Number 1 is he is a Obomite
#26. To: Fred Mertz (#24)
#27. To: Fred Mertz (#24)
#28. To: Fred Mertz (#19)
McChrystal and his staff had good vibes and relationships with Hillary. That's what surprised me most about this.
#29. To: war (#20)
They swore an oath to the USCON under which the POTUS is their commander and their rules of behavior [UCMJ] are set by Congress.
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#24)
3-1 McChrystal stays in his job.
#31. To: sneakypete (#29)
#32. To: war (#31)
I never said that there was.
#33. To: sneakypete (#32)
(Edited)
#34. To: sneakypete (#17)
2 he should have just called a news conference long ago to announce his retirement because he couldn't in good conscience follow orders he knew to be both dangerous to his troops and pointless.
#35. To: war (#31)
What does the UCMJ demand in this regard?
#36. To: war (#33)
My contributions on threads such as these are framed in the context that the military is constitionally subservient to civilian authorities.
#37. To: lucysmom (#34)
Didn't Obama give him what he wanted?
#38. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#37)
#39. To: lucysmom (#35)
What does the UCMJ demand in this regard? The maximum is dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.
#40. To: sneakypete (#39)
WRONG!
#41. To: lucysmom (#40)
#42. To: sneakypete (#41)
You don't have the first bleeping clue about what the UMCJ says.
#43. To: sneakypete (#41)
Just in case your communist mind is still confused,US Military members are NOT slaves and they do NOT owe their allegiance to any political leader.
#44. To: Fred Mertz (#0)
#45. To: Badeye (#44)
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
#47. To: lucysmom (#43)
How many capitalist CEOs would tolerate public McCrystalesque speech directed towards himself or his corporation.
#48. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
#49. To: mininggold (#48)
#50. To: Fred Mertz (#49)
#51. To: war (#50)
It's celebrating an event from 10 years ago...
#52. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
I suppose the guy lives in the past. How irrelevant can one be?
#53. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
(Edited)
How irrelevant can one be?
#54. To: mininggold (#47)
I didn't realize that the constitution had provisions for the military overthrow of the government.
#55. To: lucysmom (#42)
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
#56. To: lucysmom (#43)
#57. To: mininggold (#47)
You learn something new everyday here. I didn't realize that the constitution had provisions for the military overthrow of the government.
#58. To: sneakypete (#55)
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission.
#59. To: lucysmom (#58)
#60. To: sneakypete, lucysmom, badeye (#55)
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#61. To: Badeye, lucysmom, sneakypete (#59)
Prepare to have your ass handed to you on this one.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#62. To: go65 (#61)
#58. To: sneakypete (#55)
#63. To: Badeye, lucysmom, sneakypete (#62)
sneakypete is a vet, you know this. Goofysmom apparently doesn't.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#64. To: go65 (#63)
She was wrong on that point,
#65. To: lucysmom (#58)
I guess you've never been in the military.
#66. To: go65 (#60)
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission. She's right per Article 88 of the UCMJ.
#67. To: sneakypete (#65)
I guess you've never been in the military. Good guess! Tell me what it's like,
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
#69. To: Badeye, go65 (#64)
#70. To: go65, Badeye, sneakypete (#63)
sneakypete is a vet, you know this. Goofysmom apparently doesn't.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
#72. To: sneakypete, lucymom (#65)
(Edited)
lucysmom: "guess you've never been in the military."
#73. To: lucysmom (#40)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says.
#74. To: no gnu taxes (#73)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. Huh? The UCMJ wasn't put into law until Truman.
#75. To: Murron (#72)
#76. To: sneakypete (#66)
Article 88 will get tossed the very first time they try to prosecute anybody on it. The Nuremberg Trials after WW-2 settled that one.
#77. To: Badeye (#74)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. Huh? The UCMJ wasn't put into law until Truman.
#78. To: lucysmom (#77)
#79. To: Badeye (#75)
#80. To: Murron (#79)
#81. To: Badeye (#80)
Goofysmom is providing our entertainment this afternoon. She's quite amusing today.
#82. To: Murron (#81)
#83. To: Badeye (#82)
Reminds me of the old saying the most dangerous thing in the world is a second year pysch major....(chuckle)
#84. To: lucysmom (#70)
Good article, Sneaky, you should read it to prevent future embarrassment.
#85. To: lucysmom (#76)
Members of the military have been prosecuted, about 122 of them; usually though they are just invited to resign.
#86. To: sneakypete (#85)
#87. To: no gnu taxes, badeye, lucysmom, fred mertz, war, sneakypete (#73)
Huh? The UCMJ wasn't put into law until Truman.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#88. To: Badeye (#86)
#89. To: Fred Mertz (#88)
#90. To: go65 (#87)
#91. To: Badeye (#78)
#92. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz (#86)
(Edited)
Sounds like goofysmom want to date a football player, but was to fat or ugly.
#93. To: go65 (#87)
#94. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
#95. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
It has not been around since the founding fathers.
#96. To: lucysmom (#95)
#97. To: no gnu taxes (#96)
Such a code was not "uniform" before the UCMJ; the standards varied.
#98. To: no gnu taxes (#96)
Such a code was not "uniform" before the UCMJ; the standards varied. Your statement that the UCMJ dates back to the founding fathers is false. Admit your error and move on.
intr.v. quib·bled, quib·bling, quib·bles
1. To evade the truth or importance of an issue by raising trivial distinctions and objections.
2. To find fault or criticize for petty reasons; cavil.
#99. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
The UCMJ (and the article 88 which was referenced) has only been around since 1950.
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