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Title: US general [McChrystal] summoned to Washington
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URL Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/a ... 10/06/2010622111222326834.html
Published: Jun 22, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-06-22 07:56:15 by Fred Mertz
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The top US military commander in Afghanistan has been summoned to Washington after criticising the administration of Barack Obama, the US president, in a magazine article. The White House recalled General Stanley McChrystal from Afghanistan on Tuesday to explain comments he made in a Rolling Stone magazine interview to be published on Friday, military officials said. The order came after McChrystal apologised for the controversial comments in the profile, in which he is quoted denouncing a top diplomat while his aides dismiss Obama and mock his deputies. "I extend my sincerest apology for this profile," McChrystal said in a statement issued ahead of the article's release. "It was a mistake reflecting poor judgement and should never happened." McChrystal, a former special operations chief, usually speaks cautiously in public and has enjoyed mostly sympathetic US media coverage since he took over the Nato-led force last year. "Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honour and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard," he said. Strategy debate In the profile, McChrystal jokes sarcastically about preparing to answer a question referring to Joe Biden, the US vice-president, known to be a sceptic of the commander's war strategy. He also told the magazine that he felt "betrayed" by Karl Eikenberry, the US ambassador to Kabul, in a White House debate over war strategy last year. Referring to a leaked internal memo from Eikenberry that questioned McChrystal's request for more troops, the commander said that the ambassador had tried to protect himself for "for the history books". "I like Karl, I've known him for years, but they'd never said anything like that to us before," McChrystal said in the article. Eikenberry, himself a former commander in Afghanistan, had written to the White House saying Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, was an unreliable partner and that a surge of troops could draw the US into an open-ended quagmire. The article revisits the friction between the White House and the military last year as Obama debated whether to grant McChrystal's request for tens of thousands of reinforcements. Al Jazeera's James Bays, reporting from Kabul, said that McChrystal managed to offend every single one of his key bosses with the statements in the article. Our correspondent said that the Rolling Stone reporter managed to get high level access: "I met the reporter in Washington, DC, over a month ago after he came out of a meeting inside the White House with McChrystal's advisors. "This incident shows the tensions that exist between the top advisors here in Afghanistan. What will happen now is how this agreement is viewed on Capitol Hill and on the Afghan street. "The Taliban is also trying to win over the Afghan people. There is certainly very little disunity normally in the Taliban." Further turmoil Meanwhile, as foreign forces in Afghanistan marked another grim milestone in their war against the Taliban, signs of cracks in the alliance surfaced. After 10 soldiers were killed in a single day, there was further turmoil for Nato as Britain announced that Sherard Cowper-Coles, its special envoy to Afghanistan, was taking "extended leave". William Hague, Britain's foreign secretary, is to review the post of special envoy to Afghanistan, the BBC reported. The news of Cowper-Coles's departure came amid reports that he had clashed with military officials over strategy, just a month ahead of a crucial international conference in the Afghan city of Kabul. The Guardian newspaper reported there had been serious disagreements in recent months between Cowper-Coles and officials from Nato. It said that Cowper-Coles was convinced the military-focused counter-insurgency effort was headed for failure and wanted talks with Taliban fighters to be a priority. The Taliban, however, has so far rejected a plan drawn up at a landmark Kabul peace meeting to give jobs and money to those who lay down arms. Last month they promised a new campaign of attacks on diplomats, lawmakers and foreign forces.
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#34. To: sneakypete (#17)
Didn't Obama give him what he wanted?
The maximum is dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.
I understand that,but you seem to be unable to see the trees for the forest. McChrystal isn't the military. He is a individual soldier who just happens to be in a position where he not only had a right to speak up,but where his position DEMANDS he speak up. Granted,he did it wrong because he should have chosen to speak up at the press conference he called to announce his resignation,but he was still obligated to speak out. Country ahead of career.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Apparently not.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No...about 2/3rd's of what he wanted. When a CIC starts doubting his field commanders it's time to fire the guy or end the war.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
WRONG! We do NOT live in the leftist police state that you admire so much. We live in a free country (barely) where the military take loyalty oaths to the Constitution,not a political leader. Your idols Adolph,Mao, and Uncle Joe had the system you think we have and that you admire,though.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. Your idols Adolph,Mao, and Uncle Joe had the system you think we have and that you admire,though. What a pile of poop!
WRONG! The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. You don't have the first bleeping clue about what the UMCJ says. Just in case your communist mind is still confused,US Military members are NOT slaves and they do NOT owe their allegiance to any political leader.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
888. Art. 88. Contempt toward officials Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/military_justice/punitive-articles-of-the-.shtml
Communist? How many capitalist CEOs would tolerate public McCrystalesque speech directed towards himself or his corporation. Members of the military are not slaves, they freely sign a contract for a specified length of time and agree to a certain standard of behavior, McCrystal violated those standards.
Its Owe-bama's war, freddie.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
...claims the LF Hall Monitor...
Says the gambling addict....(laughing)
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Members of the military are not slaves, they freely sign a contract for a specified length of time and agree to a certain standard of behavior, McCrystal violated those standards. You learn something new everyday here. I didn't realize that the constitution had provisions for the military overthrow of the government.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
Badeye had the nerve to actually post this today. LOLOL "Basic tenent of liberalism is not accepting personal responsibility for ANYTHING. Just blame someone, or something, else."
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
I'm still trying to figure out what his new tagline is all about.
It's celebrating an event from 10 years ago...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I suppose the guy lives in the past. How irrelevant can one be?
Probably racking up google hits, he sees forums like this as his personal cash cows.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
When you have to lie in an internet "biography" about authoring books and hosting talk shows? It's the depths of the unknown quantity mon frer...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Its in super secret code.
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission. It is also relatively new because it mentions Boy Jorge's Office of Reich Security.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Just in case your communist mind is still confused,US Military members are NOT slaves and they do NOT owe their allegiance to any political leader. Communist? Yes,communist. That's what you are. How many capitalist CEOs would tolerate public McCrystalesque speech directed towards himself or his corporation. Now you think the military is required by law to be respectful towards corporate CEO's?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Where did you "learn" that?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It is also relatively new because it mentions Boy Jorge's Office of Reich Security. I guess you've never been in the military.
Prepare to have your ass handed to you on this one.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
She's right per Article 88 of the UCMJ. However, you are right in terms of politics. Nobody is going to prosecute McChrystal.
Nope. Article 88 of the UCMJ states: ----- Text. “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.” Elements. (1) That the accused was a commissioned officer of the United States armed forces; (2) That the accused used certain words against an official or legislature named in the article; (3) That by an act of the accused these words came to the knowledge of a person other than the accused; and (4) That the words used were contemptuous, either in themselves or by virtue of the circumstances under which they were used. Note: If the words were against a Governor or legislature, add the following element (5) That the accused was then present in the State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession of the Governor or legislature concerned. The official or legislature against whom the words are used must be occupying one of the offices or be one of the legislatures named in Article 88 at the time of the offense. Neither “Congress” nor “legislature” includes its members individually. “Governor” does not include “lieutenant governor.” It is immaterial whether the words are used against the official in an official or private capacity. If not personally contemptuous, adverse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article. Similarly, expressions of opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily be charged. Giving broad circulation to a written publication containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense. The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial.
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission. It is also relatively new because it mentions Boy Jorge's Office of Reich Security. I guess you've never been in the military. lucysmom posted on 2010-06-24 11:09:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #59. To: lucysmom (#58) Prepare to have your ass handed to you on this one. Ah, YES. Try to read whats posted...in order. Or...perhaps you were 'diverted'? rotfl. sneakypete is a vet, you know this. Goofysmom apparently doesn't.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
She was wrong on that point, but sneaky apparently wasn't familiar with the UCMJ. And you are just plain wrong in most everything you post. :-)
That was the only point in her post, and the only point I addressed. As for the rest of your post, it demonstrates a well worn pattern. The worse a given week goes for Owe-bama, the more childish you become.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
Good guess! Tell me what it's like,
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
However, you are right in terms of politics. Nobody is going to prosecute McChrystal. Article 88 will get tossed the very first time they try to prosecute anybody on it. The Nuremberg Trials after WW-2 settled that one. How can Article 88 stand when ALL soldiers,even enlisted privates,are taught they have a DUTY to ignore illegal orders? Not to mention the legal rights subordinate officers have to not only disobey orders from their superiors,but to relive them of command and assume their command if the subordinate officer thinks the commanding officer has either became mentally incompetent or is on a illegal course of action.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
(roaring with laughter) Pass the popcorn, here comes the good part....
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
You understand the difference between refusing to obey an order you believe to be illegal and granting an interview to Rolling Stone?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Oh please Uncle Boofer...tell us again about those three great AMERICAN companies, Royal DUTCH Shell, Exxon and Mobil[e] and how the Jones Act is hindering operations in the Gulf!!! We LOVES that story!!!
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
She was wrong on that point, but sneaky apparently wasn't familiar with the UCMJ. "The military is perhaps not the best career choice for someone bent on the vigorous exercise of civil liberties. As countless drill sergeants have informed their new recruits, 'We're here to defend democracy--not to practice it.'" ...Surely, without respect for the chain of command, a military organization would simply disintegrate in the heat of battle. So it is not surprising that the free speech rights of soldiers are sharply curtailed when it comes to criticizing their superiors." writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20030619_falvy.html Good article, Sneaky, you should read it to prevent future embarrassment.
rotflmao.
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
sneakypete: "Good guess! Tell me what it's like," Yes lucysmom, please do....... Huh? The UCMJ wasn't put into law until Truman.
Shhhhh! Like Belushi in Animal House....she's on a roll....(roaring with laughter)
Learning a man that tried to destroy your company just got sentence to 18 months in prison, and fined $600,000 will make ya a happy happy man. What a great day. Now, all I have to do is select the right card to send him in prison lol.
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#35. To: war (#31)
What does the UCMJ demand in this regard?
#36. To: war (#33)
My contributions on threads such as these are framed in the context that the military is constitionally subservient to civilian authorities.
#37. To: lucysmom (#34)
Didn't Obama give him what he wanted?
#38. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#37)
#39. To: lucysmom (#35)
What does the UCMJ demand in this regard? The maximum is dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.
#40. To: sneakypete (#39)
WRONG!
#41. To: lucysmom (#40)
#42. To: sneakypete (#41)
You don't have the first bleeping clue about what the UMCJ says.
#43. To: sneakypete (#41)
Just in case your communist mind is still confused,US Military members are NOT slaves and they do NOT owe their allegiance to any political leader.
#44. To: Fred Mertz (#0)
#45. To: Badeye (#44)
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
#47. To: lucysmom (#43)
How many capitalist CEOs would tolerate public McCrystalesque speech directed towards himself or his corporation.
#48. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
#49. To: mininggold (#48)
#50. To: Fred Mertz (#49)
#51. To: war (#50)
It's celebrating an event from 10 years ago...
#52. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
I suppose the guy lives in the past. How irrelevant can one be?
#53. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
(Edited)
How irrelevant can one be?
#54. To: mininggold (#47)
I didn't realize that the constitution had provisions for the military overthrow of the government.
#55. To: lucysmom (#42)
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
#56. To: lucysmom (#43)
#57. To: mininggold (#47)
You learn something new everyday here. I didn't realize that the constitution had provisions for the military overthrow of the government.
#58. To: sneakypete (#55)
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission.
#59. To: lucysmom (#58)
#60. To: sneakypete, lucysmom, badeye (#55)
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#61. To: Badeye, lucysmom, sneakypete (#59)
Prepare to have your ass handed to you on this one.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#62. To: go65 (#61)
#58. To: sneakypete (#55)
#63. To: Badeye, lucysmom, sneakypete (#62)
sneakypete is a vet, you know this. Goofysmom apparently doesn't.
Being a Republicans means you get to choose your own reality
#64. To: go65 (#63)
She was wrong on that point,
#65. To: lucysmom (#58)
I guess you've never been in the military.
#66. To: go65 (#60)
That is un-Constitutional as hell and will never stand if they try to enforce it. The MOST they can do is order a officer to resign his or her commission. She's right per Article 88 of the UCMJ.
#67. To: sneakypete (#65)
I guess you've never been in the military. Good guess! Tell me what it's like,
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
#69. To: Badeye, go65 (#64)
#70. To: go65, Badeye, sneakypete (#63)
sneakypete is a vet, you know this. Goofysmom apparently doesn't.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
#72. To: sneakypete, lucymom (#65)
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lucysmom: "guess you've never been in the military."
#73. To: lucysmom (#40)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says.
#74. To: no gnu taxes (#73)
The UCMI has been around since the founding fathers and that's what it says. Huh? The UCMJ wasn't put into law until Truman.
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