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Title: Liberty's Flame Online
Source: Liberty's Flame
URL Source: http://www.libertysflame.com
Published: Feb 15, 2006
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2006-02-15 04:49:57 by Neil McIver
Keywords: Libertys, Online, Flame
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Comments: 88

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Neil McIver  posted on  2006-02-15   4:52:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Neil McIver, BrianS (#1)

Goldi just banned Brian for an anti- Semitic remark.

Considering that she allows the unabashed slander of the entire Islamic faith, the hypocrisy is getting too much to take.

Let me know if you are going to license this software for use generally as you once indicated. I have had a hunger to start a forum for quite some time, and your software is far better then any other open source offering out there.

- Regards, Mike McCarthy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-02-21   12:43:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike, Brian S (#12)

Hey, Ferret Mike, good to see you. I didn't realize Goldi gave Brian S the boot. Is it a permanent thing?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-21   12:45:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Fred Mertz (#13)

She just banned him, and didn't indicate it was anything but a permanent action.

Of course I weighted right in with charges of hypocrisy as she has partaken in anti Islamic bigotry herself, and she lets the Crystalks run wild there.

Hey, if you are going to throw rocks, don't live in a glass house. I'm tired of the hypocrisy of protection for one religion, but articles calling the Roman Catholic Church the work of Satan, and a constant treatment of a billion Muslims like they are guilty of the actions of a few is hypocrisy.

Neil wouldn't allow anti Islamic bigotry at LP when he was there, and if you ant to be fair, you don't allow any religion to be scapegoated for the actions of a few. You don't just protect one or two and call it good.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-02-21   12:51:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

Neil wouldn't allow anti Islamic bigotry at LP when he was there, and if you ant to be fair, you don't allow any religion to be scapegoated for the actions of a few. You don't just protect one or two and call it good.

My position was that religion/faith was fair game, regardless of whether it was christianity, islam or judaism, but that slaming groups of people on the basis of faith was not. Might be a fine line sometimes, but... many lines are fine when it comes to moderating anything but the tiniest set of rules.

I didn't want a rule that unfairly protected jews without also protecting others, and it seems that jews have a tendency to take a lot more bashing on forums, as happened elsewhere it was permited.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-02-21   13:00:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Neil McIver (#15)

"My position was that religion/faith was fair game, regardless of whether it was Christianity, Islam or Judaism, but that slamming groups of people on the basis of faith was not. Might be a fine line sometimes, but... many lines are fine when it comes to moderating anything but the tiniest set of rules."

Yes, I have your post at LP to that effect bookmarked and thought about it allot as I listened to people slam everyone and his mom if they merely did not belong to a religion that person did not like.

Moderating can be a job that is not very fun because of the fine line of fairness that one must walk in doing a good job of it. It is also something that must be kept on top of and not done sporadically if the forum is going to build a reputation as one that is fair.

I wish you luck with your forum, and from the looks at how badly my exchanges with Goldi are going, I might be here far more often then I thought. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-02-21   13:18:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

Moderating can be a job that is not very fun because of the fine line of fairness that one must walk in doing a good job of it. It is also something that must be kept on top of and not done sporadically if the forum is going to build a reputation as one that is fair.

I'm convinced that even if you do a perfect job of moderating, you'll be slamed as being biased/unfair by a substantial minority. You need to be prepared to spend time defending people you highly disagree with, and do so thanklessly, and even taking criticism from those same people at different turns. Even Jesus got crucified.

I wish you luck with your forum, and from the looks at how badly my exchanges with Goldi are going, I might be here far more often then I thought. ;-)

To be clear at the outset, this forum is A K A Stone's. I'm just the maintenance guy. My role here is the same as with 4um and PostLiberty (and the non political forum snorttruck.com which is presently in stasis). A K A Stone deals with all administrative/content/moderating matters.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-02-21   13:31:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Neil McIver (#21)

"To be clear at the outset, this forum is A K A Stone's. I'm just the maintenance guy. My role here is the same as with 4um and PostLiberty (and the non political forum http://snorttruck.com which is presently in stasis). A K A Stone deals with all administrative/content/moderating matters."

Got it. And it still will be interesting to see how this forum develops.

Goldi called this your new forum when she invited me to leave hers a short while ago, so the confusion is understandable.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-02-21   13:36:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)

Goldi called this your new forum when she invited me to leave hers a short while ago, so the confusion is understandable.

I saw the note, but assumed she was referring to 4um, but who knows...

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-02-21   13:52:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Neil McIver (#26)

Thanks for the tip Se<ñ>or McIver.

Oops, I see I should leave the brackets out, Señor.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-21   13:59:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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