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Title: Are Ron Pual supporters in agreement with the new Arizona immigration legislation?
Source: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/postarticle.cgi
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Published: Apr 23, 2010
Author: WS
Post Date: 2010-04-23 19:28:00 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Ron Paul, immigration, Arizona
Views: 7432
Comments: 25

Do Ron PAul supporters agree with the New immigration AZ law ?

-- Key provisions of Arizona's immigration legislation, signed into law by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday:

- Makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally by specifically requiring immigrants to have proof of their immigration status. Violations are a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500. Repeat offenses would be a felony.

- Requires police officers to "make a reasonable attempt" to determine the immigration status of a person if there is a "reasonable suspicion" that he or she is an illegal immigrant. Race, color or national origin may not be the only things considered in implementation. Exceptions can be made if the attempt would hinder an investigation.

- Allow lawsuits against local or state government agencies that have policies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws. Would impose daily civil fines of $1,000-$5,000. There is pending follow-up legislation to halve the minimum to $500. ad_icon

- Targets hiring of illegal immigrants as day laborers by prohibiting people from stopping a vehicle on a road to offer employment and by prohibiting a person from getting into a stopped vehicle on a street to be hired for work if it impedes traffic.

- The law will take effect by late July or early August.

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#1. To: WhiteSands (#0)

I am a Ron Paul supporter, and I approve of this legislation. I do wonder, though, why they used the term "reasonable suspicion" instead of "probable cause".

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-04-23   20:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

Where have all the Ron Paul supporters gone?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-24   1:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: WhiteSands (#0)

I can't speak for the rest of them,but I am in complete agreement with this.

And I want those of you who want to rant and rave about ethnic or racial profiling to tell me what a illegal alien looks like.

As far as that goes,give me a physical description of what an American looks like.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-24   9:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: echo5sierra (#1)

I am a Ron Paul supporter, and I approve of this legislation. I do wonder, though, why they used the term "reasonable suspicion" instead of "probable cause".

In the law they do use the term "probable cause".

It's here if you want to read the whole law.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070p.htm

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-24   19:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#3)

Does what Ron Paul will say about this new law matter to you?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-24   19:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: WhiteSands (#5)

Does what Ron Paul will say about this new law matter to you?

No. Unlike Republicans,Libertarians are not mindless drones that rely on politicians to tell them what and when to think.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-25   6:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6)

No.

Thank you for being honest.

That you don't care what his positions are tells me you are a cult follower.

You'll support him despite his positions.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-25   6:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete, all (#6)

Lets see if any independent free thinking libertarians know what to say before the handouts arrive!

Will Ron Paul support the New AZ Illegal Immigration Law?

Or Just Their Right to enact it?

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-25   6:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: WhiteSands (#0)

So all these "freedom" lovers have no problem with a "show me your papers" type of society?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-25   9:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: no gnu taxes (#9)

So all these "freedom" lovers have no problem with a "show me your papers" type of society?

Then I guess it's alright with you if Obama doesn't show his BC.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-25   11:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#6)

No. Unlike Republicans,Libertarians are not mindless drones that rely on politicians to tell them what and when to think.

Heh Sneak.... White Sands, the Zuckerberg website troll, just said that anyone who supports any politican in which they don't agree 100% are just cult followers.

LOLOLOL

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-25   11:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#10)

There is a difference between someone voluntarily running for Office and demonstrating theyare eligible, and just walking up to random people on the street and jailing them until they can produce their "papers."

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-25   11:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#12) (Edited)

There is a difference between someone voluntarily running for Office and demonstrating theyare eligible, and just walking up to random people on the street and jailing them until they can produce their "papers."

Evidently not. but since we are in a perpetual war mode of which you Israel Firsters approve, any type of restrictions on the citizenry and others can be seen construed as legal.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-25   12:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: WhiteSands (#7)

That you don't care what his positions are tells me you are a cult follower

This is a fine example of the twisted logic that leads sheeple like you to vote for John McLunatic and his main squeeze,Palin.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-25   12:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#11)

Heh Sneak.... White Sands, the Zuckerberg website troll, just said that anyone who supports any politican in which they don't agree 100% are just cult followers.

I know. He is clearly one of the intellectual RINO's.

I wonder which Bush he is in real life?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-25   12:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

There is a difference between someone voluntarily running for Office and demonstrating theyare eligible, and just walking up to random people on the street and jailing them until they can produce their "papers."

You are right. In the first case,it has always been a part of the Constitutional requirement to prove citizenship,and this law has clearly been violated.

In the second case,no law has been violated because it still hasn't happened and isn't scheduled to happen. The cops must still have probable cause to suspect someone is a illegal before they can arrest them.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-25   12:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

In the second case,no law has been violated because it still hasn't happened and isn't scheduled to happen. The cops must still have probable cause to suspect someone is a illegal before they can arrest them.

All a cop has to do is "suspect" they might be illegal.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-25   12:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: no gnu taxes (#9)

Every time I travel from Yuma AZ back to Palm Springs, I am stopped at two BP stations.

One just North West of Yuma on I-8 and the second at he BP station on Highway 78 just south of Highway 78.

Its sadly a part of our lives down here at the border.

But I understand why we have to do this.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-25   16:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: no gnu taxes (#17)

All a cop has to do is "suspect" they might be illegal.

Same for other laws. Nothing new.

All a cop has to do is "suspect" you might be the guy they are looking for in a muder case and they can stop you.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-25   16:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold, no gnu taxes (#13)

Evidently not. but since we are in a perpetual war mode of which you Israel Firsters approve,

Israel firsters like Rand Paul.

Rand wants to use sanctions against Iran .

Ron Paul says they are an act of war.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-04-25   16:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: WhiteSands (#18)

I'm just wondering why some see the efforts to stop terrorists from attacking as a dangerous attack on civil rights, yet have no problem whatsoever with this.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-25   17:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: WhiteSands (#20)

Israel firsters like Rand Paul.

Rand wants to use sanctions against Iran .

Ron Paul says they are an act of war.

Neocons, of which you admit you are one, love perpetual war and strife. Enjoy!

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-25   21:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#22) (Edited)

Rand Paul will be in my area tomorrow night. I just might go meet him because I think he's a chip off the old block.

Plus I think he has a good shot at winning. He'll outrank his dad...LOL.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-04-25   21:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)

Rand Paul will be in my area tomorrow night. I just might go meet him because I think he's a chip off the old block.

Since the usual suspects are given him the same treatment as they do his dad you are probably right.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-25   22:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#17)

All a cop has to do is "suspect" they might be illegal.

The cop has to have probable cause for that suspicion,or the arrest gets throw out.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-26   18:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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