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Title: Requiem for a Lightweight (The Final Days of Barbara Boxer?)
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URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/articles/requiem-lightweight
Published: Mar 18, 2010
Author: K. E. Grubbs Jr.
Post Date: 2010-03-18 13:26:12 by Badeye
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Requiem for a Lightweight The final days of Barbara Boxer? BY K.41;E. Grubbs Jr. March 22, 2010, Vol. 15, No. 26 You’re a California Republican and, this being an election year, anxiety is mounting. Your state endures unspeakable economic crises, mostly caused by the union-Democratic axis of Sacramento. Unemployment numbers are higher than the national average, and you’re hearing financial experts declare your deficit-plagued, once-golden state to be in worse shape than—oh the indignity!—Greece. What to do? You might just be able to keep a Republican governor, never mind that the term of the current one, Arnold Schwarzenegger, is coming to an inglorious end. After all, the Democrats appear poised to nominate Attorney General Jerry Brown. Yes, that Jerry Brown, “Governor Moonbeam” himself, who after three decades wants another shot. You’ve got two exceptional candidates in former eBay CEO Meg Whitman and Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner. If they don’t commit mutual destruction before the June 8 primary, you might avert the seventies insanity all over again. Except that Washington, D.C., now in the hands of the Democratic left, could steer the economy, including California’s pivotal part of it, to grim levels unknown even in the Stagnant Decade. Suddenly, firing the state’s junior senator—which could help deny Vice President Joe Biden a decisive vote in the upper house—looks not only imperative but downright plausible. In Hollywood’s home state, visuals are everything. Here’s one from a June 2009 congressional hearing: Brigadier General Michael Walsh, answering questions from three-term junior senator Barbara Boxer, politely addresses her as “Ma’am.” At which point a shrewish, hyper-feminist Boxer turns the committee room into an icebox: Do me a favor. Could you say “senator” instead of “ma’am”? It’s just a thing. I worked so hard to get that title, so I’d appreciate it—yes, thank you. The video went viral, and even in a state favorably disposed to women’s rights, the Bay Area’s Boxer failed the screen test. California’s voters have lately been holding her approval ratings below 50 percent. Three GOP challengers now sense that those voters may finally be in a mood to replace this unapologetic tribune of the antiwar, enviro-left, who has spent her last term pursuing a jobs-killing cap and trade scheme. The first to draw media attention was former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, whose friendship with Senator John McCain throughout the 2008 presidential campaign—and lack of previous political interest—stirred suspicions from conservatives. Before and after her November 3, 2009, declaration of candidacy in an Orange County Register op-ed, Fiorina has devoted herself to allaying those suspicions. She’s done so, for the most part. And convincingly, as I learned not long ago at a small breakfast gathering in Georgetown. Boxer, she predicted, will try to make the election a referendum on liberal values, with the senator lined up on the progressive side of every issue. The senator imagines most Californians share her views, a dubious assumption in this recession. Fiorina, by contrast, plans to define the issues as jobs, out of control spending, bigger government, higher taxes, and the thicket of regulations Washington plans to layer on top of already burdensome rules. Fiorina, a breast cancer survivor, relishes a fight with Boxer, who, she notes, routinely manufactured gender issues with which to punch her three previous opponents, all males. Boxer will thus be made to defend the command economy she and her Capitol Hill colleagues are designing against a proven champion of opportunity-creating markets. Fiorina expects to attract more donors from an oppressed business community, recently freed to contribute without limit by the Supreme Court; she has led the way by spending $2.5 million of her own money already. For the benefit of skeptical pro--lifers, some of whom claim to have espied pro-choice weasel words in various of her statements, Fiorina recently told this magazine she favors overturning Roe v. Wade. If Boxer and the Democratic left are publicly (and predictably) scandalized by that, Fiorina expects to pivot easily to the economy. With no need to establish conservative bona fides, Irvine assemblyman Chuck DeVore has spent the last year campaigning in both old- and new-fashioned ways. He’s stumped up and down the state, driving himself to the farthest reaches of the red-county interior to pick up support from remote Republican clubs, all along regaling Facebook followers with details of his travels. In early March, despite Fiorina’s own pitch to the activist group, DeVore easily picked up the endorsement of the stalwart right-wing California Republican Assembly. DeVore, a retired lieutenant colonel in the National Guard and a onetime aide to the late defense secretary Caspar Weinberger, has been a fixture in Orange County politics for more than two decades. (Disclaimer: He and his picture-perfect family are longtime friends of the writer and the writer’s wife, having shared holiday dinners and church pews.) Though a vice president of an aerospace firm, he has spent much of that time in pursuit of elected office. Arriving in Sacramento in 2004, DeVore quickly became a leading conservative figure, promoting nuclear power and offshore drilling, pushing prison reform, holding the line against taxes. On Valentine’s Day 2009, to the consternation of the governor and the GOP leadership, DeVore resigned his position as chief Republican whip in protest of a $12 billion per year tax increase. A thoughtful student of history who’s even tried his hand at fiction (he coauthored a novel about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan), DeVore has everything one could want in a U.S. senator, including a Churchillian anecdote about being shot at in Lebanon. He found a brainy communications director named Josh Trevino, who has been trying to position DeVore as the Scott Brown of California. California, as purple as Massachusetts, does enjoy a renegade history, from Hiram Johnson’s progressives to Howard Jarvis’s tax revolt, and indeed the taxpayers’ association created by Prop 13’s late, curmudgeonly author has endorsed DeVore. The question arises: Does his perpetual pursuit of political office translate into a virtual incumbency, a liability even for so principled a figure? Enter Tom Campbell, a former congressman from Silicon Valley who’s taught law at Stanford and served as dean of UC Berkeley’s business school. Campbell has sought the same Senate seat before, losing a primary in 1992 to the sainted conservative TV commentator Bruce Herschensohn, who then lost to Boxer. Campbell, appointed state finance director by Schwarzenegger, appeals to blue voters with his centrist positions on abortion and same-sex marriage. But he suffers from his association with the administration’s handling of the state’s cash. He suffers as well from a perception of opportunism, having come lately from the governor’s race—where he had no hope against the Whitman and Poizner fortunes. A few days ago the three Senate candidates came together to debate for the first time on Eric Hogue’s Sacramento radio program. His voice quavering and defensive, Campbell spent a chunk of the hourlong event demanding an apology from Fiorina, whose aide Marty Wilson was alleged to have called him anti-Semitic in a private conversation, a charge Wilson stoutly denies. The opening gave Fiorina and DeVore a chance to highlight Campbell’s inconsistent support for Israel and his dubiously cordial relations with Sami Al-Arian, the Florida professor who pleaded guilty to helping terrorists. For his part, DeVore tried to clobber Fiorina with what looks like over-imaginative opposition research (which may have originated with the Boxer camp). When she headed H-P, goes the accusation, Fiorina allowed another company, tied to H-P contractually, to sell computer equipment to Iran. Turns out, the product was printer ink, not exactly coming under strict export control. Barbara Boxer can take little comfort from these early round fisticuffs thrown amongst her opposition. A mid-January Rasmussen survey showed her with 46 percent of all California voters against any of the three Republicans. Campbell, then the new entrant, had 42 percent; Fiorina, 43 percent; DeVore, 40 percent. A Field Poll (which historically skews left) taken of likely GOP voters at roughly the same time showed Campbell with 30 percent, Fiorina with 25 percent, and DeVore with 6 percent. Campbell has since damaged himself in the debate. It’s eight months before the general election, and Californians are restive. Republicans in the state are both anxious about the economy and emboldened by Boxer’s new vulnerability. A Tea Party could get under way, and either DeVore or a freshly combative Fiorina could come across as the next Scott Brown. And Barbara Boxer, despite being a three-term incumbent, could crumble like the Parthenon. K.41;E. Grubbs Jr. is a Washington-based writer.
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#21. To: Badeye (#14)
I'm not suggesting Fiorina has a thing to do with California's current economic problems.
You are suggesting she'll 'do' to the California economic mess what she did for 'HP'. Which has no bearing on what her role would be as a Senator representing California in Washington DC. Again, you just don't like Fiorina. No big deal, but you seem hard pressed to express 'why' logically.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
You're not going to get a cogent discussion out of him. He's picked an "issue" which is not only wrong but has nothing to do with anything related to your discussion beyond the name of the person. He's going to play that note over and over and over. Don't waste your time. Eventually, he'll devolve and reveal himself for the misogynist that he is.
Day 26 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 24 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Then why do you get so hung up on Schumer not having any private sector experience...? Oh...he's a democrat.
Day 26 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 24 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
She's actually only originated three bills of little or no consequence. Two were for changing the names of places. What I don't like about her besides much of her political stance is the assholes working the phone lines in her office.
You're talking about Boxer, right?
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
I live pretty darn close to the birth place of HP and can tell what's his name that Fiorina is hated for what she did to HP. It ain't a party thing, its a failure thing.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong,but wasn't this woman fired by the board of HP for incompetence? IIRC,they bought out the remainder of her contract to keep her from bankrupting HP. Which,or course,would make her the perfect RINO candidate for the Left Coast.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
CA,is done for,period. Too many decades of leftist control has created a financial nightmare of obligations and millions of illegal aliens. Hell,the illegal aliens and their US citizen relatives may be the largest voting block there by now. BTW,did you get banned from FR?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Almost right. The Ca population isn't declining. More illegals are pouring in every day. It's only the taxpaying American citizens that are leaving.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And one more time - I'll type slow so you can follow this more easily - the governor is powerless under California's system as it relates to reducing expenditures. It doesn't make any difference. Local and state office holders is where the rubber meets the road. As Tip O'Neil is famous for saying,"all politics is local". A Senator from California has ZERO influence on state spending reductions. The traditional role for elected feral office holders is to bring home the pork. The provide jobs by steering government contracts to their home states. The problem is after you go to the well so often,not only does the water level drop,but a bunch of thirsty parasites has shown up wanting free water. That is the position Ca is in right now,and there is no conceivable way they can continue with business as usual. Something is going to give,period. They are going to have to cut benefits to illegals. This will cause a uproar out there like you have never seen,but it's going to have to be done because the limit to the bailouts from the feral government to cover vote buying has already been surpassed. The feral government is as broke as California,and there just isn't any money to send them to bail them out.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
California's population has been declining for most of the last decade.
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Agree with this, obviously. Whats amusing is the same liberal mindset that has fucked California financially resulted in 'liberal flight'...to Oregon, Washington State. And those liberals have brought the same political and taxation and anti business attitude to those states...and THEY are now in decline. being a liberal democrat means you ignore reality...and the impact of your own fucked up policies and actions.
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Geezus fuck Boof, do you ***think*** that you have a magic typewriter that when YOU type BULLSHIT it makes it NOT BULLSHIT? CA's population has been INCREASING for the LAST FIFTY FUCKING YEARS MORON AND IS GOING TO BE UP OVER 10% from 2000... Try fucking googling for a fucking change...it may cut down on the number of your posts but it will increase their accuracy... /dumbfuck
Day 27 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 25 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
LOLOLOLOL Wrong again.We could only hope you easterners would go back to your East Coast liberal enclaves and stay away of California, but the weather's just too good.
Too late to use the edit feature....(laughing) Actually, you have about a dozen minutes, nimrod.
We could cut Boof some slack because there have been a few articles that have reported that the number of people LEAVING CA has been increasing. BUT, the fact is, the number of people moving there is still higher than the number leaving. So yea, we COULD...but...NAH...
Day 27 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 25 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
And those liberals have brought the same political and taxation and anti business attitude to those states...and THEY are now in decline. The same thing has been happening on the east coast for decades. The only difference is the lefties move south here instead of north. The one thing is consistent is that the first thing they do when they get here is try to pass a bunch of laws making it just like it was where they left. There is a reason these people are called Dims.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It's pretty easy to get confused when the media reports all the businesses leaving California,and then turn around and report about the declining taxpayer base. What they leave out is the number of illegal aliens and others who are flying under the radar for the most part,only showing up once a month to collect the "free benefits" and on election day to vote. Then there are a large number of ghetto rats that never have had a job,so they aren't really counted in the state's labor pool of employed and unemployed.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I lived in CA for a little over a year back in 1987. I couldn't smoke a cigarette in bar back then. I can in Kentucky, although the statists have been encroaching since I've been here. Yeah, I know, I shouldn't smoke.
You can't even smoke a cigarette in a bar or restaurant in NC or Va now,and they are where most of the tobacco is grown.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You can't even smoke a cigarette in a bar or restaurant in NC or Va now,and they are where most of the tobacco is grown. You have to love how drones like Fred support every totalitarian tyrant that comes down the pike (as long as they have a "D" after their name). . . . . . then bitch and moan when THEIR freedoms are infringed upon. Hey Fred! Elections have consequences! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Obammy sez it LOL...Get Outta Dodge, that avatar of yours is enough to give a person nightmares....good grief! &;-)
Actually its simplistic thinking like the above that got California in this mess.
I searched far and wide to find a representation of a typical Chairman Mao-bama bot. Don't you think I succeeded?
Obammy sez it I think you did, because if that's fear I see in that face, I hope to see alot more of in the near future....
You mean like this? Specifically, why are they opposing an amendment to the House version of the immigration reform bill, sponsored by Representative Elton Gallegly, a California Republican, that would relieve the unfunded Federal mandate that forces states to pay for the education of illegal immigrants? ... "It is untenable to deny children an education," the Senators wrote. "Permitting any child to grow up in the United States idle and illiterate is unacceptable national policy." The above quote was taken from a letter written by two Republican Senators from Texas, Kay Bailey Hutchison and Phil Gramm. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/1...-aliens.html?pagewanted=1 I'm sure you remember Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly. Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm cochairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure. Gramm's long been a handmaiden to Big Finance. In the 1990s, as chairman of the Senate banking committee, he routinely turned down Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt's requests for more money to police Wall Street; during this period, the sec's workload shot up 80 percent, but its staff grew only 20 percent. Gramm also opposed an sec rule that would have prohibited accounting firms from getting too close to the companies they audited—at one point, according to Levitt's memoir, he warned the sec chairman that if the commission adopted the rule, its funding would be cut. And in 1999, Gramm pushed through a historic banking deregulation bill that decimated Depression-era firewalls between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firms—setting off a wave of merger mania.
Actually its simplistic thinking like the above that got California in this mess. The explanation isn't complex enough for you? Maybe you need a government-funded research program into white racism and wimmin's and chil-runs sufferin' de mos frum dem racist laws what keep de peep-pulls from libing in mansions?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The above quote was taken from a letter written by two Republican Senators from Texas, Kay Bailey Hutchison and Phil Gramm. Neo-cons. They may as well admit they are Dims and be done with it. BTW,the way to solve this problem is to toss those illegal alien children out of the country on their asses,not spend taxpayer money teaching them in Spanish. I'm sure you remember Phil Gramm. I even remember back when he was actually a conservative. This was before he was blackmailed and/or sold out to the fascists running the Dim Party.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Kookie, the numbers show clearly California's population has been in decline for most of the last decade. I'm not surprised your tenuous grip on reality precludes the ability to grasp a simple fact.
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Its fact, ethel. Pretty what you want.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
If you can't quantify the number of illegal aliens, and you DO have to admit they aren't paying taxes, its irrelevant to this particular point: California's population has been in decline for most of the past decade. This isn't disputable. Freddie thinks cause he lived there in 1987 he has some kind of insight the state itself is lack, or the Federal government. Its laughable, but typical 'ethel' delusion...(chuckle)
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Only if you're an obtuse moron who, once caught in a lie, refuses to back down from it. That explains you fairly accurately, Boof.
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California is writing checks it can't cash. simple, direct, 100% accurate. Can't be spun.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Nope. Phil Gramm isn't a leftist or a Californian, yet he has probably had more to do with California's economic woes than any other single human being. First by working hard to push through deregulation that contributed to the decline of property values and thus reduction of property tax revenue. Second, by supporting unfunded federal mandates that benefit illegal aliens at the expense of the State of California. It is also true that Washington, not Sacramento sets immigration policy, and we know what happened to enforcement under the reign of boy George and a Republican controlled Congress. So, yep, its too simple to blame leftists and illegal aliens. One interesting little tax fact; California is the third largest oil producing state and the only one that does not impose a severance tax.
I don't believe they have been taught in Spanish for some years now.
simple, direct, 100% accurate. Can't be spun. So what do you suggest, shutting down the state?
Do you always believe everything that the nanny states and governments put out? Believe me.... California has not lost population. I would love for it to be true buts it's not. You are acting like a silly troll. How was the target practice?
I suggest we secede from the union, then we could print our own money and patrol our own borders. And we could ignore all those unfunded Fed mandates and useless wars that are costing us so much.
Are you drunk? They may not be paying taxes,but they are getting medical care,food stamps,etc,etc,etc. And they ARE in Ca and they ARE adding to the population total. Or are you just going to ignore them and hope they go away?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
My apologies. I keep forgetting you are delusional. . It is also true that Washington, not Sacramento sets immigration policy, and we know what happened to enforcement under the reign of boy George and a Republican controlled Congress. They aren't Republicans. They are Dim Lites. So, yep, its too simple to blame leftists and illegal aliens. Only because they ARE responsible for the bankruptcy.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBasically, you don't like Fiorina. No problem, everybody has an opinion. But suggesting her performance at HP has ANYTHING to do with California's immenent bankruptcy is ridiculous, just as suggesting her replacing Boxer in the United States Senate will have any impact on this.
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
She didn't create jobs at HP, she slashed them - massively. The value of HP stock dropped by 50% (HP stock right now is double what it was when Fiorina got the ax).
#23. To: lucysmom (#21)
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#24. To: Boofer (#22)
Which has no bearing on what her role would be as a Senator representing California in Washington DC.
#25. To: Badeye (#0)
#26. To: mininggold (#25)
#27. To: war (#23)
#28. To: Badeye (#0)
When she headed H-P, goes the accusation, Fiorina allowed another company,
#29. To: lucysmom (#4)
If Fiorina does for California what she did for HP, then we're done for.
#30. To: Badeye (#5)
California is going to be the first state in American history to declare bankruptcy no matter who the Governor is. Its unavoidable. The far leftwingers refuse to acknowledge basic math, declining tax revenues, declining population, and a water system thats one decent sized earthquake away from returning LA and everything south of it to its 'natural state' IE a arid DESERT.
#31. To: Badeye (#14)
#32. To: sneakypete (#30)
#33. To: sneakypete (#31)
#34. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz, mininggold, lucysmom, CA PING (#32)
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California's population has been declining for most of the last decade.
#35. To: Badeye (#32)
California's population has been declining for most of the last decade.
#36. To: Badeye (#32)
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California's population has been declining for most of the last decade.
#37. To: Fred Mertz, mininggold, lucysmom, CA PING (#35)
#38. To: Badeye (#33)
Agree with this, obviously. Whats amusing is the same liberal mindset that has fucked California financially resulted in 'liberal flight'...to Oregon, Washington State.
#39. To: war, badeye, Fred Mertz, mininggold, lucysmom (#37)
We could cut Boof some slack because there have been a few articles that have reported that the number of people LEAVING CA has been increasing. BUT, the fact is, the number of people moving there is still higher than the number leaving.
#40. To: sneakypete (#39)
#41. To: Fred Mertz (#40)
I lived in CA for a little over a year back in 1987. I couldn't smoke a cigarette in bar back then. I can in Kentucky, although the statists have been encroaching since I've been here. Yeah, I know, I shouldn't smoke.
#42. To: sneakypete, Fred Mertz (#41)
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I lived in CA for a little over a year back in 1987. I couldn't smoke a cigarette in bar back then. I can in Kentucky, although the statists have been encroaching since I've been here. Yeah, I know, I shouldn't smoke.
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#43. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#42)
#44. To: sneakypete (#29)
CA,is done for,period. Too many decades of leftist control has created a financial nightmare of obligations and millions of illegal aliens. Hell,the illegal aliens and their US citizen relatives may be the largest voting block there by now.
#45. To: Murron (#43)
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that avatar of yours is enough to give a person nightmares
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#46. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#45)
"I searched far and wide to find a representation of a typical Chairman Mao-bama bot. Don't you think I succeeded?"
#47. To: sneakypete (#31)
That is the position Ca is in right now,and there is no conceivable way they can continue with business as usual. Something is going to give,period. They are going to have to cut benefits to illegals. This will cause a uproar out there like you have never seen...
#48. To: lucysmom (#44)
CA,is done for,period. Too many decades of leftist control has created a financial nightmare of obligations and millions of illegal aliens. Hell,the illegal aliens and their US citizen relatives may be the largest voting block there by now.
#49. To: lucysmom (#47)
"It is untenable to deny children an education," the Senators wrote. "Permitting any child to grow up in the United States idle and illiterate is unacceptable national policy."
#50. To: mininggold (#35)
#51. To: Fred Mertz (#36)
#52. To: sneakypete (#39)
#53. To: Boofer (#50)
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#54. To: lucysmom (#44)
#55. To: sneakypete (#48)
The explanation isn't complex enough for you?
#56. To: sneakypete (#49)
BTW,the way to solve this problem is to toss those illegal alien children out of the country on their asses,not spend taxpayer money teaching them in Spanish.
#57. To: Badeye (#54)
California is writing checks it can't cash.
#58. To: Badeye (#50)
the numbers show clearly California's population has been in decline for most of the last decade. I'm not surprised your tenuous grip on reality precludes the ability to grasp a simple fact.
#59. To: lucysmom (#57)
So what do you suggest, shutting down the state?
#60. To: Badeye (#52)
If you can't quantify the number of illegal aliens, and you DO have to admit they aren't paying taxes, its irrelevant to this particular point:
#61. To: lucysmom (#55)
Nope. Phil Gramm isn't a leftist or a Californian, yet he has probably had more to do with California's economic woes than any other single human being. First by working hard to push through deregulation that contributed to the decline of property values and thus reduction of property tax revenue.
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