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Title: Bottom Feeders Dont Pay Their Rent and Wont Leave - So They Call the Police On Me
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Published: Jul 27, 2018
Author: youtube
Post Date: 2018-07-27 13:41:01 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 1119
Comments: 13

I,m not sure sure what to make of this. The guy with the camera was far less than tactful. However, the deputies looked like clueless buffoons. After all, he is just trying to get freeloaders to lawfully leave and leave his father alone. It reminds me of the the deputy substitutes for Barney Fife on Andy Griffith (yes, below the level of Barney).

Long video if you are willing to watch it.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

I,m not sure sure what to make of this. The guy with the camera was far less than tactful. However, the deputies looked like clueless buffoons. After all, he is just trying to get freeloaders to lawfully leave and leave his father alone. It reminds me of the the deputy substitutes for Barney Fife on Andy Griffith (yes, below the level of Barney).

Long video if you are willing to watch it.

The guy with the camera is an idiot. The cops appear to recognize him as an idiot, and appear reasonable in comparison.

His "durable power of attorney" claim does not empower him to tell the cops what to do if he does not produce the alleged power of attorney.

Without the document, it remains unknown what, if any, power he has been authorized, authorized by whom, to do what, and under what circumstances. He is just babbling bullshit about his being the durable power of attorney. It appears he was trying to say that he has a document giving him durable power of attorney, but he also failed to show it, and refused to provide his own name or identify the landlord.

A durable power of attorney exists when a person executes a power of attorney which will become or remain effective in the event he or she should ;ater become disabled.

http://www.uniformlaws.org/shared/docs/power%20of%20attorney/orig_upc_v.pdf

Uniform Probate Code 5-501

Section 5-501. [Definition.]

A durable power of attorney is a power of attorney by which a principal designates another his attorney in fact in writing and the writing contains the words "This power of attorney shall not be affected by subsequent disability or incapacity of the principal, or lapse of time," or "This power of attorney shall become effective upon the disability or incapacity of the principal," or similar words showing the intent of the principal that the authority conferred shall be exercisable notwithstanding the principal's subsequent disability or incapacity, and, unless it states a time of termination, notwithstanding the lapse of time since the execution of the instrument.

It is very possible, if not very likely, that camera guy's asserted Durable Power of Attorney, only applied in the circumstances where the principal was incapacitated or disabled, and did not give him any power at all while pops is on video walking around just fine, exhibiting no evidence of being incapacitated or disabled.

The cop said the note left on the door is not official. A note left on the door to take your stuff and clear out is illegal. The cops offered camera guy a copy of the applicable Florida law. He should have taken it and read it.

There is no telling what is on the paperwork at the end of the video.

The tenants may be bottom feeders, but bottom feeder tenants have rights pursuant to Florida law. Camera guy may be trying to get freeloaders to lawfully leave, and leave his father alone, but he may be incurring legal liability for not acting lawfully.

Reference is made to their claim of something to do with conditions in the premises. They may have a defense to eviction.

Not enough information is available to say what will happen. It is reasonable to conclude that the note left on the door was defective if it intended to serve as notice of termination of the rental agreement. To be valid for that purpose, it must include the landlord’s name, address, and telephone number.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter83/All

83.56 Termination of rental agreement.—

[...]

(3) If the tenant fails to pay rent when due and the default continues for 3 days, excluding Saturday, Sunday, and legal holidays, after delivery of written demand by the landlord for payment of the rent or possession of the premises, the landlord may terminate the rental agreement. Legal holidays for the purpose of this section shall be court-observed holidays only. The 3-day notice shall contain a statement in substantially the following form:

You are hereby notified that you are indebted to me in the sum of ____ dollars for the rent and use of the premises ____ (address of leased premises, including county), Florida, now occupied by you and that I demand payment of the rent or possession of the premises within 3 days (excluding Saturday, Sunday, and legal holidays) from the date of delivery of this notice, to wit: on or before the ____ day of ____, (year).

(landlord’s name, address and phone number)

(4) The delivery of the written notices required by subsections (1), (2), and (3) shall be by mailing or delivery of a true copy thereof or, if the tenant is absent from the premises, by leaving a copy thereof at the residence.

[...]

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83.59 Right of action for possession.—

(1) If the rental agreement is terminated and the tenant does not vacate the premises, the landlord may recover possession of the dwelling unit as provided in this section.

(2) A landlord, the landlord’s attorney, or the landlord’s agent, applying for the removal of a tenant shall file in the county court of the county where the premises are situated a complaint describing the dwelling unit and stating the facts that authorize its recovery. A landlord’s agent is not permitted to take any action other than the initial filing of the complaint, unless the landlord’s agent is an attorney. The landlord is entitled to the summary procedure provided in s. 51.011 [F.S. 1971], and the court shall advance the cause on the calendar.

(3) The landlord shall not recover possession of a dwelling unit except:

(a) In an action for possession under subsection (2) or other civil action in which the issue of right of possession is determined;

(b) When the tenant has surrendered possession of the dwelling unit to the landlord;

(c) When the tenant has abandoned the dwelling unit. In the absence of actual knowledge of abandonment, it shall be presumed that the tenant has abandoned the dwelling unit if he or she is absent from the premises for a period of time equal to one-half the time for periodic rental payments. However, this presumption does not apply if the rent is current or the tenant has notified the landlord, in writing, of an intended absence; or

(d) When the last remaining tenant of a dwelling unit is deceased, personal property remains on the premises, rent is unpaid, at least 60 days have elapsed following the date of death, and the landlord has not been notified in writing of the existence of a probate estate or of the name and address of a personal representative. This paragraph does not apply to a dwelling unit used in connection with a federally administered or regulated housing program, including programs under s. 202, s. 221(d)(3) and (4), s. 236, or s. 8 of the National Housing Act, as amended.

(4) The prevailing party is entitled to have judgment for costs and execution therefor.

History.—s. 2, ch. 73-330; s. 1, ch. 74-146; s. 24, ch. 82-66; s. 1, ch. 92-36; s. 447, ch. 95-147; s. 1, ch. 2007-136.

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https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tenant-defenses-eviction-notices-florida.html

Court Role in Evictions

If the tenant chooses to fight the eviction and does not move out within the specified time period, then the landlord will typically file a complaint at the courthouse in the county where the rental property is located. The court will then set a hearing date for both the landlord and the tenant to attend (see Fla. Stat. Ann. § 83.59(2)). Once the tenant receives the landlord's complaint, the tenant will have five days to file an answer with the court. The tenant will provide all the defenses to the eviction within the answer. At the hearing, the judge will decide whether the tenant should be evicted, based on the landlord's complaint and the tenant's answer. (See the "Summary procedure section of Florida statutes: Fla. Stat. Ann. § 51.011(1).)

For more information on how to respond to an eviction notice, see the "Help! I Just Got a 3-Day Notice!" brochure published at FloridaLawHelp.org.

[...]

Tenant Defenses for Challenging an Eviction in Florida

There are several defenses available to tenants for fighting an eviction. Here are some of the legal grounds available to tenants who want to stop an eviction in Florida.

Landlord Used "Self-Help" Eviction Procedures

A landlord must not engage in "self-help" eviction procedures, such as forcing a tenant to leave a rental unit by such means as shutting off the utilities to the rental unit or changing the locks on the doors. A landlord who does any of these prohibited actions could end up paying the tenant damages worth up to three months' rent (under "prohibited practices" section of Florida laws: Fla. Stat. Ann. § 83.67). See the Nolo article Illegal Eviction Procedures in Florida for more information.

Landlord's Eviction Notice and/or Service to the Tenant Had Errors

Landlords in Florida must follow very specific guidelines when creating and delivering eviction notices to tenants. For example, if an eviction notice does not have essential information like the date the tenant must be out of the rental unit, then the eviction notice will be considered defective. The landlord must then fix the error and send the eviction notice to the tenant again before the appropriate time period starts running for the tenant to move out. For more information on how and when eviction notices must be given to tenants, see the Nolo article Eviction Notices for Nonpayment of Rent in Florida.

This defense will not stop an eviction completely if the landlord is justified in evicting the tenant: It will merely give the tenant more time to live in the rental unit before being evicted.

Landlord Does Not Have the Legal Justification to Evict
(Nonpayment of Rent)

There may be several defenses available to a tenant to challenge an eviction for nonpayment of rent.

[...]

Tenant Has Not Paid Rent Because Landlord Has Failed to Maintain The Rental Unit Premises

Under the Florida state landlord-tenant statutes, a landlord has an obligation to comply with all Florida building codes and health codes. If there is not an applicable building, housing, or health code, then the landlord has an obligation to keep the structure and plumbing of the rental unit in good repair. If the landlord fails to follow the applicable codes or keep the rental unit in good repair, then the tenant must notify the landlord in writing of the defect and of the tenant's intent to not pay rent. The tenant must give the landlord seven days to fix the defect. If the landlord does not fix the defect within seven days of receiving the notice, the tenant is then justified in not paying rent. The landlord's failure to fix the defect can be a complete defense to the eviction lawsuit, meaning the landlord will lose the case (see Fla. Stat. Ann. § 83.60(1)).

For more information, see the Nolo articles Florida Tenant Rights to Withhold Rent and Tenant Rights to a Livable Place.

[...]

https://www.floridalawhelp.org/node/258/help-i-just-got-3-day-notice

Help, I Just Got a 3-Day Notice!

Authored By: Community Legal Services of Mid-Florida

FAQ

What is a 3-day notice?

You can be evicted if you do not pay your rent. Your landlord must, by law, first follow several specific steps to get a court order called a Judgment for Possession before you can be evicted. Your landlord’s first step must be to give you a 3-day notice.

The 3-day notice must be delivered to you, in writing, and include the following information:

  • A statement that you did not pay rent when it was due.
  • The exact amount of rent due.
  • The landlord’s name, address, and telephone number.
  • The date the payment is due.

Your landlord does not need to have the sheriff deliver the notice to you. Your landlord can hand-deliver the notice, tape it to your door (called posting), or mail it to you.

The 3-day notice can only demand payment of rent. Unless your written lease agreement says otherwise, rent does not include:

  • late fees
  • security deposits
  • costs for repairs

The 3-day notice must give you 3 days to either pay the rent or move out. The 3 days does not include weekends, holidays (when the court clerk’s office is closed), or the day the notice was delivered to you. Your landlord must add 5 days to the deadline to pay rent or move out if:

  • The notice is mailed to you.
  • The notice tells you to pay the rent to a post office box or out-of-town address.

[snip]

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-27   18:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nolu chan (#1)

Well, that kind of reminds me of the movie "Pacific Heights."

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-07-28   17:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

Well, that kind of reminds me of the movie "Pacific Heights."

Yup. Tenant's rights.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-28   21:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan (#3)

I remember many years ago when I lived In Reno, NV, I was supposed to be out of my apartment on New Years eve. I got off work late and planned to be out by noon the next day. As I was moving my stuff out I saw a notice on the door saying, "if you aren't out by 3 PM, you will be forcibly removed."

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-07-28   21:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#3)

Squatters rights.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-28   21:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland, no gnu taxes (#5)

Squatters rights.

Squatter is the most accurate term, but the prevailing term is professional tenant. They are the Michael Keaton's of Pacific Heights. They are like cockroaches to get rid of.

http://www.royalroseproperties.com/property-owner-blog/how-much-can-a-professional-tenant-cost-you/

How Much Can a Professional Tenant Cost You?

And this doesn’t even count things like your hair, or sanity, or nights’ sleep.

In our last post, we mentioned in passing the notion of the ‘professional tenant,’ and we wanted to expand on that a little bit because we didn’t really have room to do the concept justice. So let’s talk about what a ‘professional tenant’ is and how to fight one.

Professional Tenancy: It’s About Time

The first thing to recognize about a professional tenant is that it’s not about beating you (the landlord) in court — most professional tenants realize that they can’t win against an even modestly-prepared landlord with a decent attorney. But they’re not playing that game; they don’t care about winning at all. They’re playing to delay the game. Imagine this sequence of events:

  • (Day 6) A tenant’s grace period ends and they still haven’t paid rent. So, you call and they promise to send a check right away. You don’t file a 7 Day Eviction Notice.
  • (Day 9) You get a post-dated check and call the tenant about it. They claim their employer shorted them on hours on their last check, but is making up for it on their next pay date this coming Friday, so that’s when there will be money to cover the check.
  • (Day 15) You deposit their check on the date they said it clear.
  • (Day 24) Because you’re busy with your day job and family, it’s over a week before you notice the tenant’s check bounced. You call and they come up with their next excuse, but you decide not to believe it and send a 7 Day Eviction Notice.
  • (Day 27) The tenant calls in disbelief that you sent them an eviction notice. They start complaining about repair issues and ask you to take care of them.
  • (Day 34) You’ve fixed the repair issues and they give you another check for rent and say thank you.
  • (Day 38) Because of their last bounce you nervously monitor this last deposit and sure enough, you get the dreaded NSF notice online.
  • (Day 39) You file the 7 Day Eviction Notice with the court.
  • (Day 50) You get court response with court date in 10 days.
  • (Day 60) In court tenant claims you haven’t made any repairs and shows judge pics of the repair issues. You didn’t document the repairs you already made for them so the judge adjourns the case for two weeks telling you to make the repairs.
  • (Day 74) After making the repairs again (how did the home get damaged again?), you’re back in court with your proof, but tenant sends someone with a doctor’s note stating they can’t travel. So, judge adjourns for two weeks.
  • (Day 94) In court again and now tenant is claiming they made a payment you’re not crediting them for. Judge adjourns for another two weeks as you only brought your handwritten notes, not a professional looking ledger.
  • (Day 108) You’ve finally got everything you should have had on the first court date, but now tenant has just engaged the court recommend nonprofit attorney who is asking for an adjournment so they can get all the facts from their client. Judge adjourns for another two weeks.
  • (Day 122) Back in court again (how many times is this now?) Tenant’s free attorney informs judge their client has filed for Chapter 13 Bankruptcy, so judge cancels case as Bankruptcy Trustee is now in charge.
  • Need we continue?

…Because all of this was just over whether or not you had the right to evict them. The tenant has now been living in your property rent-free for several months, and you still haven’t gotten the court order that actually lets you kick them out. Just wait until you get to your property with the bailiff to remove the tenant and you find out that they’re long-gone and they trashed the place — possibly stripped it. And only then learn that they applied under a fake name and you have no way to track them down and get any of your money back!

Now, granted, this level of professional-tenant-ism is rare, even among professional tenants — but just imagine all those court costs and lawyer’s fees, all that lost rent, and all of the ulcers and sleepless nights that one single tenant just cost you. Now, go back and look over your tenant screening procedures with a fine-toothed comb and hope this never happens to you.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-28   22:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

However, the deputies looked like clueless buffoons. After all, he is just trying to get freeloaders to lawfully leave and leave his father alone.

Actually, it's the arrogant asshat with the camera who is a clueless moron... Asserting "power of attorney" while pretending to be polite to the cops, yet refusing to answer their questions while insulting the tenants... The dumbass doesn't understand that the cop is trying to explain to him that he hasn't served a proper eviction notice....

( at least that's what I think was happening... the video is too long so I didn't watch the whole thing...)

Anyway... if the guy's mom owns several rental properties, then they should be familiar with proper eviction procedures in their state.... And while making a video sounds like a good idea as supportive evidence, whoever is making the video should act more professional and not make a total jackass out of himself...

Willie Green  posted on  2018-07-29   8:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Willie Green (#7)

The dumbass doesn't understand that the cop is trying to explain to him that he hasn't served a proper eviction notice....

Here is how my buddy evicts dumb ass losers who don't pay. He disconnects the meter and they have no power. Then they leave. He does have to pay a little extra to the power company I do believe. But the assholes are gone. Most of those people are to stupid to ise the legal system. He is morally right to do that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   9:04:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nolu chan (#6)

the prevailing term is professional tenant.

It should be, get you and your filthy rat offspring out of someone else’s residence, or get shot. Even if it’s winter... throw the freeloaders in the snow.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-29   9:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)

He disconnects the meter

Some states (like Socialist NY) have made laws, making that illegal. If you rent an apartment that includes any utility, you can’t shut them off after the freeloader has defaulted on rent. In NY, the only LEGAL way to force a person from an apartment they refuse to leave, is a civil process.

That’s just one reason why I left that shithole... and I wanted my children to follow suit. My son, decided to stay and buy rental property. He’s a financial go-getter... but he’s nuts to be a NY landlord. All the laws are slanted towards the common scumbags.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-29   9:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GrandIsland (#10) (Edited)

Oh it's illegal but it works. I'd do the same or similar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   9:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#7)

then they should be familiar with proper eviction procedures in their state...

Scumbags that default on rent, should understand that they are VICTIMIZING another, by not leaving a property they aren’t paying for. Your willingness to defend scumbags, is the very reason we have the problems today.

Hopefully you have “Trump anxiety syndrome”. A new medical term from what I hear.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-29   9:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#11)

Oh it's illegal but it works. I'd do the same or similar.

It is specifically illegal in Ohio.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5321.15

5321.15 Acts of landlord prohibited if residential property involved.

(A) No landlord of residential premises shall initiate any act, including termination of utilities or services, exclusion from the premises, or threat of any unlawful act, against a tenant, or a tenant whose right to possession has terminated, for the purpose of recovering possession of residential premises, other than as provided in Chapters 1923., 5303., and 5321. of the Revised Code.

(B) No landlord of residential premises shall seize the furnishings or possessions of a tenant, or of a tenant whose right to possession has terminated, for the purpose of recovering rent payments, other than in accordance with an order issued by a court of competent jurisdiction.

(C) A landlord who violates this section is liable in a civil action for all damages caused to a tenant, or to a tenant whose right to possession has terminated, together with reasonable attorneys fees.

Effective Date: 11-04-1974.

Ohio makes your buddy "liable in a civil action for all damages caused to a tenant, or to a tenant whose right to possession has terminated, together with reasonable attorneys fees."

Other jurisdictions may subject the landlord to greater financial liability. The last thing the landlord wants to do is to pay the professional tenant for knowing the law better than the landlord does.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-29   16:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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