An off-duty FBI agent accidentally fired his gun, striking another patron in the leg, at a Denver nightclub while he was dancing early Saturday, police said.
What was that gesture with the hands at the end? Oops? My bad? Shit happens?
He just kind of walked away. Apparently it took a minute or two before people realized the guy had got shot in the leg. I read a report that the victim was a friend or acquaintance of the FBI rootin'-tootin' dancer but can't substantiate that it was friendly fire. Then they found the victim, called the ambulance, the cops came and evacuated the bar, now the bar says they're going to install metal detectors.
I think the agent was drinking. The dancing just looked wrong. His rhythm was off, movements a little disjointed and awkward, etc. Like he was trying to recall what it was like when he was younger, sober, lithe, and a better dancer.
but others here tell me the pistol is considered unloaded unless it has a shell in the chamber at all times.
They're correct. It's a paperweight. But it's safe.
You'll have plenty of time to "load" it if it is for self-defense in the home, given that all you have to do is pull the slide and release it. Who knows, the sound of you doing that may scare the intruder away.
They're correct. It's a paperweight. But it's safe.
A classic video to show why all these people keep telling us not to carry without a round in the chamber. This storeowner got himself and his son killed while trying to just get a round into the chamber.
I agree. Always have one on the chamber. But it's dangerous with a light trigger and no external safety. For a semi-auto concealed carry, the best solution is a DA/SA weapon where the first shot requires 10-12 pounds.
Another problem I've seen are with the push button locking style holsters for open carry to keep the gun secure. The user presses the button on the holster to release the firearm. But some users keep pressing, their finger slips into the trigger guard, and the gun fires. Happened to this guy:
I get your point but I think he had cleared the holster by several inches when he ventilated his leg. Maybe sneaky has an opinion.
So hard to have 100.000000% safety and keep that itchy finger from slipping to its natural position over the trigger, even with very experienced shooters.
Here's your video with the link corrected so pete can see it.
I get your point but I think he had cleared the holster by several inches when he ventilated his leg.
In another video he admitted his finger slipped into the trigger guard after pressing the holster release button.
So picture the gun clearing the holster, his finger gliding on the holster then entering the trigger guard, then pressing the trigger. The gun was (obviously) still pointing downward and had just cleared the holster.
This storeowner got himself and his son killed while trying to just get a round into the chamber.
I read another story where the bad guy was dragging the woman along by one arm. She got her weapon out but was unable to operate the slide to put one in the chamber.
At some point, I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.
Some years back, my niece dropped by with her very busy and very snoopy toddlers. They got into everything, every closet, every drawer, etc. Regular pint-sized terrorists.
After that, I worried about having a bullet in the chamber in that situation. Some kids aren't trained to never touch the guns. Anyway, hers weren't AFAIK.
A hunting friend of mine and gun enthusiast wears his .45 on his hip with the weapon cocked and safety on. Who am I to question him about that?
Mine is a revolver which is four feet from me right now. I don't carry. It is in a holster which might make me one second slow on the draw. I don't worry about those things.
A hunting friend of mine and gun enthusiast wears his .45 on his hip with the weapon cocked and safety on. Who am I to question him about that?
I have a Glock. No safety. If it had a safety, I would definitely keep one in the chamber.
Mine is a revolver which is four feet from me right now. I don't carry. It is in a holster which might make me one second slow on the draw. I don't worry about those things.
There are days when I seriously consider getting rid of the Glock and buying a good wheel gun instead. It probably fits my skill level better and I'd feel safer overall. But America is in love with the semi-auto pistols with the large magazines and so I bought one. I should have thought it through better.
My opinion is I have no sympathy for anyone that shoots himself while carrying a Glock or similar pistol.
Seems to me to be inevitable,providing they don't accidentally shoot someone else first by accident and get it taken away.
I will never carry a striker fired weapon,period. If you give me one I will sell it.
These days I almost always carry a revolver. A 9 shot 22 snubnose pocket pistol for messing around in the yard or walking to the shop in case I stumble upon a rabid animal or poisonous snake,and a DAO Rossi 44 Special with a 3 inch barrel for social work if I go to a city. It only holds 5 rounds which makes some people think I am nuts,but if I have to shoot it more than 5 times chances are there are going to be a couple of other guns laying around with nobody using them that I can pick up.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
At some point, I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.
One word,"revolver".
Never any question of "is it loaded or not?",and the DA trigger pull on the typical revolver is stout enough you aren't going to fire it accidentially.
BTW,for those of you unfamiliar with revolvers,it is possible for a good gunsmith to do a action job on it that makes the DA trigger pull "smooth as butta",but still require enough trigger pressure to fire that that is no danger of having an accidental discharge. No,it's not cheap,but chances are you will only have it done to the revolver you carry,and the knowledge that you don't have to walk around and face a potential bad guy with a cocked revolver with the hair trigger they have is worth the money.
My Rossi is DAO,and I have shot running snakes in the head with it,and I don't care how tough you think you are,a single 200 grain 44 caliber hollowpoint in your head will give a a LONG time-out. Remember,when getting a action job,the keyword is "SMOOTH",not "light". Do it right and you WILL have to modify the hammer spring to keep from penetrating primers,but that's when you know that everything is working perfectly.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
A hunting friend of mine and gun enthusiast wears his .45 on his hip with the weapon cocked and safety on. Who am I to question him about that?
If it is a 1911 style Colt or other Single Action semi-auto,that is perfectly safe to carry that way because it is the way it was designed to be carried. I have 3 or 4 of them,and even though I switched to the 44 Special revolver a decade or so ago,I carried cocked and locked 45 ACP semi-autos most of my life and in more than one country. Probably the most reliable and safe semi-auto handgun design ever put into production,I still think the US military lost their freaking minds when they dropped it for 9mm Beretta's.
Besides the thumb safety,it also has a grip safety that must be squeezed before the hammer will fall.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Also, one other safety feature is if the weapon is against something with the muzzle it won't fire. I have this recollection from way back when. About three safety features.
There are days when I seriously consider getting rid of the Glock and buying a good wheel gun instead.
You should listen to your inner-voice on one of those days.
If it is for self-defense,forget Magnums. When it comes to calibers,think "heavy,slow,and if possible,with a flat nose and swagged. Or mo betta,a swagged hollow-based wadcutter mounted backwards. Not accurate worth a damn beyond self-defense range,but oh,BOY do they work good at stopping an attacker.
Also think,"44 or 45 caliber" and velocities in the range of 700-800 fps. The idea is to shoot BIG,HEAVY bullets into your attacker and have them expend ALL of their energy inside his body. Milder loads like this also have the advantage of not kicking so hard,so it is easy to get back on target if you need a second shot.
Even 38 Specials with 140-160 grain hollowbase SWAGGED wadcutters will do the job at those velocities.
If it were me and I lived in the great frozen north,I would have two sets of self-defense loads. One set for warm weather as described above,and another set of factory +P jacketed hollowpoint loads for winter use,when your opponent is wearing layers of clothing or even a leather coat.
Unless of course you feel confident enough in your abilities and demeanor to go for head shots. If you can put a bullet through his eyeball,it really doesn't matter how big it is or how fast it's moving.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Also, one other safety feature is if the weapon is against something with the muzzle it won't fire.
Yup! A "out of battery" trigger interrupt to keep it from firing is also a part of the design.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'll probably weaken and reconsider my habit of not keeping a bullet in the chamber in my bedroom gun.
Glocks don’t accidentally discharge on their own. If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times, you’ll have no problems keeping the mag stuffed and “one up”.
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Correct. But they do fire when a douche nozzle fingers the trigger trying to scoop it up off the floor and there is one in the chamber, no safety and the trigger has a 5-pound pull.
If you follow the four basic firearm safety rules at all times,
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.
Yet he didn't follow the rules. Match the gun to the person.
This guy was a trained FBI agent with who knows how many hours of periodic classroom and range safety training. Yet he carried unholstered in the small of his back -- two big no-no's. Three, if it was a Glock.
It was an odd choice really. And that isn't the small of the back. It's a gun jammed in your asscrack.
Ew. That's gross.
It's a shame he didn't shoot himself instead of some poor bystander.
And just walking away like nothing had happened after he had just discharged the gun and had no idea if someone was injured by it? The FBI should fire him for that alone. Complete recklessness with a firearm.
He really should have been arrested IMO. Reckless endangerment charges, maybe more depending on CO statutes.
#43. To: misterwhite, Fred Mertz, hondo68, sneakypete, GrandIsland (#40)
Another report from CBS, this one has another camera angle and you can see that the gun went off as he picked it up. In another camera angle, you see him throw his hands up as he's walking away and he almost grinned! And Langley spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to train this nimrod?
No mention that he was arrested but the video states that the police took a blood sample for testing.
Proudly called, “West Point for Law Enforcement,' the FBI Academy occupies 547 acres on a Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia, just 40 miles from Washington DC
My brother is a product of Quantico on the jar-head side. I've been there.
A friend worked at Langley and took me on an office visit on a Saturday. He hated having to lie to family and friends that he worked for the State Department. He was a desk jockey analyst. His son will be married in October - I was there when he was born in Virginia.
He’d had been charged if he worked for my old department or the current place I work out of.
Did you two notice how he tucked his ass-gun back into his butt-crack?
He was wearing no belt which contributed to him dropping the gun to start with because his pants slid down low on his hips when he flipped.
Then when he tried to put the gun back in, he only put it into his waistband down to (but not including) the trigger guard! Two-thirds of the gun and most of its weight was just floating loose above his waistband. And his shirt was untucked. He's lucky he didn't drop it again as he walked away. With an untucked shirt, it would drop on the floor again unless he was fast enough to catch it. Gee, Sherlock, no need to hide the gun now after you already shot somebody.
And did you notice that no one has given out his name yet? What, are the FBI some protected class or something? Anyone else in America (including regular cops or soldiers) would have their names splashed all over the internet. But this guy? Apparently the FBI are too special to get named.
