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Title: Rider Passed Protecting Military Firearms, Ammunition, and Components
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NRA/ILA
URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5258
Published: Dec 19, 2009
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2009-12-19 10:35:03 by sneakypete
Keywords: Surplus guns, Surplus ammo
Views: 46445
Comments: 106
With the holiday season upon us, and the end of the year fast approaching, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 3326—the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2010. With the passage of this bill, NRA-ILA wraps up its appropriations work for the year. Our efforts on the huge spending bill were rewarded with the restoration of a longstanding rider to protect M-1 carbines, M-1 Garands, M-14s, .22 caliber rifles, and others from being destroyed. This language also includes a prohibition on the destruction of small arms ammunition and components, and a response to the short-lived concern over destruction of spent brass casings earlier this year. Section 8019 of the bill reads: "None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use." NRA-ILA would like to thank U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) for his help in getting the rider restored and expanded. To read the full bill, please click here. Continued at link
Poster Comment: Having been fooled too many times in the past I don't entirely trust the sincerity of the NRA,but I decided to post this anyway.
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#42. To: Fred Mertz (#41)
Hey Freddie, what do the tree huggers think about you sexually assaulting the knotholes? You fookin pervert!
What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
You're Jewish? I had no idea. See 4um for details.
See 4um for details. I suppose it's possible for an American Indian to practice Judaism, perv Freddie, but the fookin morons at some forums like stormfront and dummies believe that anyone who isn't a complete asshole has to be a JOOOOOOOO!!! What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.
Archaic is the best term for that club. 8 rounds. What's up with that? LOL! You must be about 18,with the gangsta spray and pray attitude. Would it help of somebody put one out with a plastic stock? As for 8 rounds,I don't need 8 rounds to hit what I'm shooting at,and I don't need 8 rounds to put it down once I start shooting at it. Especially not with a Garand. If 8 of you start coming at me with your beloved AK-47's from more than 200 yards away and I have a Garand,I will kill every one of you before you even get within reasonable range to start shooting at me. "New" and "trendy" doesn't automatically mean "better". Please note that the M2 BMG is still in service today,and it's older than the Garand. Or maybe you and your little friends would like to grab your squirt guns and come charged at me while I'm sitting behind the trigger of a M2? After all,it's OLD.
LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.
You should have just said that did not know anything about the Garand. Actually,he did. He just doesn't know it. That's why it's so funny.
LOL! That was hilarious! The SKS is nothing more than a tool for untrained farmers and other cannon fodder. There is no way it even compares to the M1 Garand.
I'm at work and can't post the link right now, but google the Civilian Marksmanship Program. If you meet their requirements, you can purchase an M1 Garand at a reduced price. tri.army. mil/LC/CS/csl/ci..._marksmanship_program.htm The link is in the lower left.
Me,either. Especially after having people at LP expose me as a anti-Semite. Not to mention somebody that hates Jews. See 4um for details. It's amazing what you learn on the internet,ain't it? Why,for example,I learned right here on LF last night thanks to White Sands that I am a Obama supporter and a DNC shill that has never found fault with Obama or any other Dim,and had never even made ONE single post critical of any Dim at any time. Who knew? That White Sands. He shore be knowledgeable and insightful,huh? With people like him supporting her,how can Palin lose?
Thank you. Mine just happens to be a 1943 Winchester version.
The SKS is nothing more than a tool for untrained farmers and other cannon fodder. There is no way it even compares to the M1 Garand. Sorry, the SKS continued to shoulder on for nearly 50 years AFTER the Garand had been "retired" to feed the local termite population in American firearms collectors.
Right! And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead. Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A? And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.
Here is some REALLY good marital advise. DO NOT TEACH HER YOURSELF. Hire somebody else to do it. Seriously. I have taken her to the range probably 10 times, just to introduce her to firing a weapon. Multiple weapons actually. We started small and progressed from there. This advice is the best yet and is something I had already decided on. LOL! Thanks guys. BTW, I think I'll take your advice on the .22lr. Sounds like good solid advice. Thanks again.
Just out of curiosity,who taught you all this nonsense? It's obvious you have no personal experience with any of these weapons,or if you do it is very limited.
And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead. You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right? Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round? There are several people on this board who are qualified to debate this subject with me,but you ain't one of them. Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A? You mean other than fit,finish,reliability,range,and accuracy? And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years. Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?
Yeah,it really doesn't take long to figure that one out,does it? The high-pitched shrieking in your ears,the claw marks,and the letter from a divorce attorney are dead giveaways.
Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round? Wow! Damned impressive Pete. I knew you had some background, but I had no idea!
Are you a licensed dealer Pete? If so you probably just picked up another customer.
Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round? Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not? Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here. You're a good guy and all, but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.
Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what? Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.
Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what? Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry. So what is your background and what are your credentials on this subject?
LOL! Yeah, that is what I was trying to indicate. Reminds me of some sort of politician, you know, those abnormal mentalities who actually believe a few topical buzzwords and a lot of arrogant opinion is going to fool everyone.
My background or qualifications are irrelevant, his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here. I'm to believe he's correct, and the US miltary is wrong? If the M1 Garand is so superior, why does the US military reject his hypotheis? He's the one arguing with technological progress, not me.
As a consumer of weapons I'm just trying to honestly figure out who I should listen to. Pete has posted his background and credentials and they are very impressive. It is relevant to me and absolutely relevant to this discussion. Can I then safely assume that you have no background or credentials on this subject?
Surely you are not inferring that our government always acts in ours or our military's best interests?
That's your response? Have you shot the M1A? Have you shot the M1 Garand? The HK91? I have. I'd prefer not to worry about my thumb getting ripped off by some antiquated loading system in combat conditions thank you very much. If you're not familiar with the "disease" type into google "garand thumb". Then get back to me.
If you'll read up-thread, I recently shot an M1, but I don't know what type it was. I'd prefer not to worry about my thumb getting ripped off by some antiquated loading system in combat conditions thank you very much. If you're not familiar with the "disease" type into google "garand thumb". Thanks, I will.
I admit that I know nothing about the Garand, but here's what I found in the first few minutes: "Garand Thumb" is caused by operator failure. Garand Thumb is easily avoided with proper loading technique. Thumb on top of clip facing forward with the rest of your fingers alongside the outside of the action in front of the op handle. Push down on the clip, thump the op handle.
Believe me, after the first time your thumb gets slammed by the bolt, you'll know why the US Military dropped the archaic Garand for the M-14, or the civilian version known as the M1A. Don't waste your time on a weapon that is very particular about what ammo you feed it, remember these rifles are 50 years old or more, some going on 70, and you have to be very careful about what ammo you feed it. Look, it's a good rifle, for WW2 standards. But that was a long time ago and you have many MODERN weapons now to choose from. The M1A being amongst the best. Good luck! PS I enjoy these fights with Sneakypete. We did them back on LP!
I suspect it was an M1A, as who ever would be teaching you to shoot for the first time on an M1 Garand, would have spent some time warning you about the "Garand thumb". Was the "M1" magazine fed? They are nice rifles, built on the Garand action, but without the drawbacks. Take care!
No.I closed my shop and gave up my license back in the 80's.
You don't even know enough about the history of it to understand that I'm not refuting the army or the Pentagon,and you don't even know why. Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here. That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have? AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's. but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles. I guess that's true if all your "experts" are 22 years old and have never carried a rifle into battle,or even shot a Garand. You read all those magazines that exist to sell new stuff,don't you?
LOL! That's funny! You don't even understand the question.
LOL! That's not why they adopted the M-14,and the military never has issued a M1A. Don't waste your time on a weapon that is very particular about what ammo you feed it, remember these rifles are 50 years old or more, some going on 70, and you have to be very careful about what ammo you feed it. Look, it's a good rifle, for WW2 standards. But that was a long time ago and you have many MODERN weapons now to choose from. The M1A being amongst the best. LOL! The M1A isn't even a match for the FN-FAL when it comes to battle rifles.
ROTFLMAOAY! Well if that's all I don't understand I've got an infinite amount of knowledge that you don't!
AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's. but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles. BFD! You fix firearms. Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile. How old are you? What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?
If you say so. If you don't mind sounding like a clueless fool,I don't mind letting you.
Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile. You really are a fool. How old are you? Old enough that I trained with a M-14 in basic training,and was issued my first M-16 back when they were still AR-15's. What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does. And you wonder why I think you are a fool. If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you? No,I dropped out because the VA cut out my GI Bill payments for my tuition because I missed too many classes due to doctors appointments at the VA hospital related to my service in VN. How come a bright young man such as YOU that knows everything there is to know about battle rifles and why the army picks them isn't in the army and either a Ranger or a SF trooper yourself? Too tough for you?
If you're older than sneakypete, you shouldn't be shooting (no offense, petey). Hell, You're older than Methuselah! What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? OOooooh! That's impressive!
OOooooh! That's impressive! One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded. He doesn't even realize the M-14'S came with wooden stocks until the late 60's,and that the rack grade M1A he rates so highly STILL comes with a wooden stock.
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#43. To: sneakypete (#0)
#44. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#43)
You're Jewish? I had no idea.
#45. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)
What a crock sneaky. That termite gun is 50+ years, at best.
#46. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#31)
Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.
#47. To: eskimo, Nebuchadnezzar (#38)
M1 Garand = termite gun.
#48. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#19)
Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle
#49. To: sneakypete (#3)
A M-1 as in "Garand"?
#50. To: Fred Mertz, White Sands (#43)
You're Jewish? I had no idea.
#51. To: Sarajevo (#49)
I'm at work and can't post the link right now, but google the Civilian Marksmanship Program. If you meet their requirements, you can purchase an M1 Garand at a reduced price.
#52. To: Sarajevo (#48)
LOL! That was hilarious!
#53. To: sneakypete (#46)
(Edited)
LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.
#54. To: sneakypete, Joe Snuffy (#22)
Professional Instruction to go with it
#55. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#52)
Sorry, the SKS continued to shoulder on for nearly 50 years AFTER the Garand had been "retired" to feed the local termite population in American firearms collectors.
#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#53)
#57. To: We The People (#54)
This advice is the best yet and is something I had already decided on. LOL!
#58. To: sneakypete (#56)
You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
#60. To: sneakypete (#56)
You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?
#61. To: sneakypete (#56)
And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.
#62. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)
And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.
#63. To: sneakypete, Nebuchadnezzar (#47)
Actually,he did. He just doesn't know it. That's why it's so funny.
#64. To: We The People (#62)
So what is your background and what are your credentials on this subject?
#65. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)
My background or qualifications are irrelevant
#66. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)
his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here.
#67. To: We The People (#66)
(Edited)
his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here. Surely you are not inferring that our government always acts in ours or our military's best interests?
#68. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#67)
#69. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#67)
#70. To: We The People (#69)
#71. To: We The People (#68)
If you'll read up-thread, I recently shot an M1, but I don't know what type it was.
#72. To: We The People (#59)
Are you a licensed dealer Pete?
#73. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#60)
Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?
#74. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)
Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.
#75. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#70)
Believe me, after the first time your thumb gets slammed by the bolt, you'll know why the US Military dropped the archaic Garand for the M-14, or the civilian version known as the M1A.
#76. To: sneakypete (#74)
LOL! That's funny! You don't even understand the question.
#77. To: sneakypete (#73)
That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?
#78. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#76)
Well if that's all I don't understand I've got an infinite amount of knowledge that you don't!
#79. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#77)
#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#77)
How old are you?
#81. To: Sarajevo (#80)
What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?
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