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Title: Rider Passed Protecting Military Firearms, Ammunition, and Components
Source: NRA/ILA
URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5258
Published: Dec 19, 2009
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2009-12-19 10:35:03 by sneakypete
Keywords: Surplus guns, Surplus ammo
Views: 43233
Comments: 106

With the holiday season upon us, and the end of the year fast approaching, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 3326—the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2010. With the passage of this bill, NRA-ILA wraps up its appropriations work for the year.

Our efforts on the huge spending bill were rewarded with the restoration of a longstanding rider to protect M-1 carbines, M-1 Garands, M-14s, .22 caliber rifles, and others from being destroyed.

This language also includes a prohibition on the destruction of small arms ammunition and components, and a response to the short-lived concern over destruction of spent brass casings earlier this year.

Section 8019 of the bill reads: "None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use."

NRA-ILA would like to thank U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) for his help in getting the rider restored and expanded.

To read the full bill, please click here.

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Poster Comment:

Having been fooled too many times in the past I don't entirely trust the sincerity of the NRA,but I decided to post this anyway.

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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)

Think I'll go to the range again this weekend.

Last week I met the firearms instructor for my city's police dept. there. He was there with his grandson. He had some very nice gear and invited me to fire all I wanted. I declined at first but he said, "Never turn down the chance to fire another man's ammo". LOL!

He pulled out some AK's, some AR's, an SKS, an M1, and several side arms.

I had this with me http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm and he wanted to fire it. After he fired it he said he HAD to have one.

A very nice guy. Very pro 2nd amendment.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   10:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#0)

NRA....yeah well...better than the antis thats for sure...

I guess its kinda like fishing...

You got your elitist "fly" fisherman...crank bait and lure guys...and your weekend cane pole and worm folks...not to mention the Russian..Norweigan..and Japanese trawlers..

IMO the NRA directorship has always pretty much been the "fly fisherman" who say they represent the interests of all who fish...

You'd think they would,sooner or later, learn where their bread is buttered and who butters it...

Now if we could elect a POTUS that would allow us to purchase "overuns" from supplies with govt contracts like we used to be able to do until Slick Willy Clinton cut us off..

Or roll back the laws to prior the Kennedy assassination...there was a crisis they took full advantage of at least in the area of increasingly restrictive gun laws..

Joe Snuffy  posted on  2009-12-19   10:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: We The People (#1)

an M1

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: We The People (#1)

I had this with me http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm and he wanted to fire it. After he fired it he said he HAD to have one.

BTW,I know nothing about ,and had never even heard of that weapon before your post,but if it's as well made and reliable as the Kel-Tec handguns,it's a good rifle for what it was designed for.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#3)

an M1

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

I don't know. I don't know a lot about them.

I know he did call it something other than an M1 but I don't remember what.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   11:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#4)

I just googled M1 Garand and came up with this photo:

http://www.capitanhipower.com/Photos/M1Rifle.jpg

It did look a lot like this but I still don't know. I don't remember.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   11:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Joe Snuffy (#2)

Or roll back the laws to prior the Kennedy assassination.

Which IS what should be done because it is what the Constitution intended.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 is completely and totally un-Constitutional,and should be repealed along with every law that snuck under the covers with it.

We went from the 1600's to 1968 with no gun laws,and for over 350 years this was no problem. Even convicted felons could get out of jail and legally buy a gun because they had served their time and now they were free and the Bill of Rights applied to them just like it did everybody else.

Suddenly it was a "national emergency" in the early 1960's,and now there are whole bureaucracies built up around it.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: We The People (#6)

It did look a lot like this but I still don't know. I don't remember.

It get's confusing because the M-1 Carbine is also sometimes referred to as a M-1,and so is the semi-auto civilian version of the M-14,but it has the modified "A" behind it instead of Carbine or Garand.

In other words,the civilian version of the M-14 is called a M1A,and that is probably what the guy had. They are good rifles and are accurate,but they aren't in the same league as the M-1 Garand.

In fact,I would rather have a metric FN-FAL than a M1A. The FAL isn't as accurate do to a truly shitty trigger and poor sights,but it is much sturdier and more reliable than the M1A.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#4)

BTW,I know nothing about ,and had never even heard of that weapon before your post,but if it's as well made and reliable as the Kel-Tec handguns,it's a good rifle for what it was designed for.

I bought a Kel Tec P11 years ago and it impressed me, so I bought more from Kel Tec.

The P11 of course isn't accurate at all past a certain range, but it's been as reliable as any I've ever owned. Never jammed or misfired.

I love the su16. Overall very impressed with Kel Tec.

I'm thinking about one of these for the wife:

www.freedom1791.com/

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   11:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: We The People (#9)

I'm thinking about one of these for the wife:

www.freedom1791.com/

Unless she is an experienced shooter that is used to carrying everyday,don't.

Get her a snub-nosed 22LR revolver and take the rear sight off and file down all the rough or sharp edges on the front sight,making it round and smooth so it won't snag on anything.

One I recommend is the Taurus Ultra-Lite 9 shot 22 LR snub nose revolver. Specifically,this one. I would also round off the sharp edges on the hammer if it were me.

www.taurus-handguns.com/i...940029UL_M94__22LR_2.aspx

Load that sucker up with 9 CCI "Stinger" hollowpoints and it becomes a effective self-defense weapon. If you shoot somebody in the eye socket,it makes no difference if you were shooting a 22 than if you were shooting a 44 magnum. All you can kill them is dead.

AND....since it is also true that a miss with a 22 is just as effective as a miss with a 44 Magnum,this makes the 22 more attractive because she is less likely to miss. She is less likely to miss because she can afford to buy 22 caliber ammo a thousand rounds at a time to practice with,and this means she will be more familiar and comfortable with the gun and she will know where it shoots when she pulls the trigger.

PLUS...it is very light which means she is more likely to carry it with her when she leaves the house,AND it doesn't have a safety she has to remember to disengage under pressure before she can fire it. Revolvers are the original "point and click" devices. You just point them and keep pulling the trigger until it starts clicking.

Not to mention that you can shoot a revolver right from your coat pocket without ever taking it out,and you can't so this with a autoloader because it will jam. Not that I recommend doing this because your coat might catch fire,but there is an advantage to having a gun already in your hand if you think you might be in danger,but not confident enough about it that you are willing to pull it out and point it at somebody.

If you are bound and determined to get her something bigger than a 22,but this one for her. It's a 38 Special,but 38 Specials don't really have enough recoil or muzzle blast to bother her. Their only disadvantage over the 22 is the ammo is much more expensive.

Don't even THINK about buying a snub-nosed magnum revolver. The recoil and the muzzle blast are horrific,and you end up only getting 38 Special velocities anywhay.

Don't let the goofy look of the hammer shround throw you. If they had this version in 22 LR,that's the one I would recommend you buy. The shroud keeps the hammer from snagging on your pants or coat pocket when you go to pull the gun out.

www.taurus-handguns.com/i...51CIA_38SPL_2_SS_AS_.aspx

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#10)

Thanks for the advice Pete.

You really think the .22 is heavy enough?

She's not that experienced, and I like the thought of the smaller caliber. She has expressed an interest in revolvers too, her sister has a 38 S&W.

The long and hard trigger pull on the P11 is just to much for her.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   12:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

Don't let the goofy look of the hammer shround throw you. If they had this version in 22 LR,that's the one I would recommend you buy. The shroud keeps the hammer from snagging on your pants or coat pocket when you go to pull the gun out.

www.taurus-handguns.com/i...51CIA_38SPL_2_SS_AS_.aspx

Wow! That is truly goofy looking. LOL!

I kind of like it though. I've always been attracted to ugly guns and ugly cars for some strange reason I've yet to figure out.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   12:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: We The People (#11)

As long as the perp isn't wearing lots of layers of heavy winter clothing

A hit with a 22LR is better than a miss with a 44 mag

Whatever you do get her...

Get her lots and lots and lots of RANGE TIME with the weapon of choice

Professional Instruction to go with it

Followed by more RANGE TIME

As they say..."You Will Not Rise To The Occasion...But Will Instead Default To Your Level Of Training"

Joe Snuffy  posted on  2009-12-19   12:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: We The People (#12)

Smith and Wesson M351 Lt Wt. 22 Mag

Smith and Wesson 317 22 LR Airweight

Joe Snuffy  posted on  2009-12-19   12:24:13 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#3)

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74?

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   12:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Joe Snuffy (#13)

Thanks Joe.

I appreciate the advice.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   14:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#15)

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

eskimo  posted on  2009-12-19   14:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#15)

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74?

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

Give me a FAL!

FAL

FAL

FAL

Other than that, I still want a Garand, because General Patton decreed it to be the finest battle implement ever made.

echo5sierra  posted on  2009-12-19   15:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: eskimo (#17)

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

M1 Garand = termite gun.

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   16:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: echo5sierra (#18)

Give me a FAL!

FAL

FAL

FAL

A FAL is a far, far superior weapon to the Garand "termite" rifle.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   16:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: We The People (#11)

You really think the .22 is heavy enough?

It's not anybody's first choice for a military assault,but if you put the bullet where it needs to go it will do the job. There is a reason the military has been issuing 22 caliber pistols with silencers since prior to WW-2.

And,as I wrote earlier,a miss with a 44 is no deadlier than a miss with a 22.

I usually carry my own 22 Taurus snub whenever I go to town. I sometimes carry a 9mm Kel-Tec or my 44 Special snubnose,but I usually carry the 22. Mostly because I always already have it with me,but I am also confident that if I need it it will do the job. I normally carry it around my yard and in my shop because I live in a rural area,and poisonous snakes aren't that unusual (I even got bit by one last summer),and I have even had to shoot rabid coons twice.

The 22 is always the one with me because it fits easily into my pocket,and it's so light you forget it's there. If I thought I seriously needed a gun on any given day,I'd be carrying my 12 gauge Ithaca pump,not a handgun.

As always,the best gun to use is the one you have with you. Due to the low recoil,the relative lack of muzzle blast,and the cheap ammunition for target practice,a 22 is the gun she is most likely to be willing to take with her every day,and it is the one she is most likely to have shot enough to be able to hit something with it.

The long and hard trigger pull on the P11 is just to much for her.

The 22 revolver is both single and doubt action. If you have the time you can cock the hammer for a easier trigger pull,or you can just pull the trigger for a double-action shot. The double action trigger pull is longer and heavier than the single action pull,but it's still a lot lighter than the trigger pull on the Kel-Tec.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Joe Snuffy, We The People (#13)

As long as the perp isn't wearing lots of layers of heavy winter clothing

I don't let that worry me. I'd just put one in his eye and not worry about him anymore. With the low recoil of a 22,that's pretty easy to do,and followup shots come quicker than with a gun that does a lot of recoiling. A 22 anywhere in the head will pierce a human skull. No real need to put one through a eye socket. I'm just not the sporting gentleman I used to be.

Whatever you do get her...

Get her lots and lots and lots of RANGE TIME with the weapon of choice

Which is where the 22 really shines. Ammo cheap enough you can fire 500 rounds for what a box of 50 45 ACP would cost you,and recoil so mild she will be willing to shoot those 500 rounds.

Professional Instruction to go with it

Here is some REALLY good marital advise. DO NOT TEACH HER YOURSELF. Hire somebody else to do it. Seriously.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Joe Snuffy, (#14)

Smith and Wesson M351 Lt Wt. 22 Mag

The 22 mag is the next thing to useless. The ammunition is insanely expensive and you can't even buy it everywhere. On top of that,it just isn't that much more powerful for short range self-defense out of a handgun barrel.

A 38 Special with swaged 146 grain hollowpoints loaded backwards over some fairly stiff loads of Unique would be a MUCH better choice. I used to load some up for friends that lived in apartments,and they would expand to 72 caliber and not penetrate 4 inches of soft pine.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#15)

Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74?

ABSOLUTELY! By the time you get up close enough to hit me with those play toys,I will have been shooting pieces off of you for the last 400 yards. BIG pieces that a 30/06 will take off.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: eskimo (#17)

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

Even the target grade M1-A's rarely match the accuracy of a ISSUE M1 Garand. Rack grade Garands would shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with issue ammo.

It's a good thing he didn't offer me a BAR as a option,though. That's another one with the"reach out and touch somebody" feature,but it also has box magazines and a slow-fire option to the selector switch.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: echo5sierra (#18)

Give me a FAL!

A metric FAL is my number 2 pick.

Unless of course I get a M1918A2 BAR as a pick. Then the FAL falls to number 3.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Nebuchadnezzar, , *Humor* (#19)

M1 Garand = termite gun.

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.

ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.

When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#20)

A FAL is a far, far superior weapon to the Garand "termite" rifle.

LOL! For your sake,I hope you never get into a shooting contest at any range beyond 200 yards with a man carrying a Garand,or even closer if you both have good cover.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#24)

ABSOLUTELY! By the time you get up close enough to hit me with those play toys,I will have been shooting pieces off of you for the last 400 yards. BIG pieces that a 30/06 will take off.

What a crock sneaky. That termite gun is 50+ years, at best.

Archaic is the best term for that club.

8 rounds. What's up with that?

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   18:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)

8 rounds. What's up with that?

It only takes ONE well-placed round, numbnuts.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-19   19:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#27)

ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.

When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.

Well I'm still laughing over your laughable comments on the termite gun, aka Garand.

Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ibluafartsky (#30)

8 rounds. What's up with that? It only takes ONE well-placed round, numbnuts.

Right, sure, whatever.

I see you've either been hitting the sauce too much today or have been playing too much Call of Duty.

Iblowboys, why don't you leave this conversation to men?

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#28)

LOL! For your sake,I hope you never get into a shooting contest at any range beyond 200 yards with a man carrying a Garand,or even closer if you both have good cover.

Unless the termites haven't eaten that Garand for dinner you mean!

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#32)

Iblowboys

Hell, we all suspected you're a pedophile, numbnuts.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-19   19:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ibluafartsky (#34)

Sorry, you're the one with the name "Iblowboys".

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#35)

Iblowboys

It's all yours, pedophile. What a fookin moron you are.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-19   19:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#36)

Iblowboys It's all yours, pedophile. What a fookin moron you are.

Wow, you're clueless. All of us here find you disgusting.

You're the one boasting about blowing things pal.

You own it. It's yours.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#19)

M1 Garand = termite gun.

You should have just said that did not know anything about the Garand.

eskimo  posted on  2009-12-20   2:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#25)

It's a good thing he didn't offer me a BAR as a option,though.

LOL! Yes, I agree the M1918 is some serious hardware.

eskimo  posted on  2009-12-20   3:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#37)

You're the one boasting about blowing things pal.

I'm not your pal, pedophile.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   3:11:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ibluafartsky (#40)

You're a fuckhead, fuckhead.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-12-20   3:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Fred Mertz (#41)

You're a fuckhead, fuckhead.

Hey Freddie, what do the tree huggers think about you sexually assaulting the knotholes? You fookin pervert!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   3:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#0)

You're Jewish? I had no idea.

See 4um for details.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-12-20   3:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#43)

You're Jewish? I had no idea.

See 4um for details.

I suppose it's possible for an American Indian to practice Judaism, perv Freddie, but the fookin morons at some forums like stormfront and dummies believe that anyone who isn't a complete asshole has to be a JOOOOOOOO!!!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-20   4:56:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#29)

What a crock sneaky. That termite gun is 50+ years, at best.

Archaic is the best term for that club.

8 rounds. What's up with that?

LOL! You must be about 18,with the gangsta spray and pray attitude.

Would it help of somebody put one out with a plastic stock?

As for 8 rounds,I don't need 8 rounds to hit what I'm shooting at,and I don't need 8 rounds to put it down once I start shooting at it. Especially not with a Garand. If 8 of you start coming at me with your beloved AK-47's from more than 200 yards away and I have a Garand,I will kill every one of you before you even get within reasonable range to start shooting at me.

"New" and "trendy" doesn't automatically mean "better".

Please note that the M2 BMG is still in service today,and it's older than the Garand. Or maybe you and your little friends would like to grab your squirt guns and come charged at me while I'm sitting behind the trigger of a M2? After all,it's OLD.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#31)

Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.

LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: eskimo, Nebuchadnezzar (#38)

M1 Garand = termite gun.

You should have just said that did not know anything about the Garand.

Actually,he did. He just doesn't know it. That's why it's so funny.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#19)

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle

LOL! That was hilarious!

The SKS is nothing more than a tool for untrained farmers and other cannon fodder. There is no way it even compares to the M1 Garand.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-20   9:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#3)

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

I'm at work and can't post the link right now, but google the Civilian Marksmanship Program. If you meet their requirements, you can purchase an M1 Garand at a reduced price.

tri.army. mil/LC/CS/csl/ci..._marksmanship_program.htm

The link is in the lower left.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-20   9:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Fred Mertz, White Sands (#43)

You're Jewish? I had no idea.

Me,either. Especially after having people at LP expose me as a anti-Semite.

Not to mention somebody that hates Jews.

See 4um for details.

It's amazing what you learn on the internet,ain't it?

Why,for example,I learned right here on LF last night thanks to White Sands that I am a Obama supporter and a DNC shill that has never found fault with Obama or any other Dim,and had never even made ONE single post critical of any Dim at any time.

Who knew?

That White Sands. He shore be knowledgeable and insightful,huh? With people like him supporting her,how can Palin lose?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Sarajevo (#49)

I'm at work and can't post the link right now, but google the Civilian Marksmanship Program. If you meet their requirements, you can purchase an M1 Garand at a reduced price.

Thank you. Mine just happens to be a 1943 Winchester version.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Sarajevo (#48)

LOL! That was hilarious!

The SKS is nothing more than a tool for untrained farmers and other cannon fodder. There is no way it even compares to the M1 Garand.

Sorry, the SKS continued to shoulder on for nearly 50 years AFTER the Garand had been "retired" to feed the local termite population in American firearms collectors.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   11:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#46) (Edited)

LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.

Right!

And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead.

Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A?

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   11:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete, Joe Snuffy (#22)

Professional Instruction to go with it

Here is some REALLY good marital advise. DO NOT TEACH HER YOURSELF. Hire somebody else to do it. Seriously.

I have taken her to the range probably 10 times, just to introduce her to firing a weapon. Multiple weapons actually. We started small and progressed from there.

This advice is the best yet and is something I had already decided on. LOL!

Thanks guys. BTW, I think I'll take your advice on the .22lr. Sounds like good solid advice. Thanks again.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   11:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#52)

Sorry, the SKS continued to shoulder on for nearly 50 years AFTER the Garand had been "retired" to feed the local termite population in American firearms collectors.

Just out of curiosity,who taught you all this nonsense?

It's obvious you have no personal experience with any of these weapons,or if you do it is very limited.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   12:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#53)

And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead.

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

There are several people on this board who are qualified to debate this subject with me,but you ain't one of them.

Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A?

You mean other than fit,finish,reliability,range,and accuracy?

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   12:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: We The People (#54)

This advice is the best yet and is something I had already decided on. LOL!

Yeah,it really doesn't take long to figure that one out,does it? The high-pitched shrieking in your ears,the claw marks,and the letter from a divorce attorney are dead giveaways.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   12:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: sneakypete (#56)

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

Wow!

Damned impressive Pete.

I knew you had some background, but I had no idea!

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   12:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#56)

Are you a licensed dealer Pete?

If so you probably just picked up another customer.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   12:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#56)

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?

Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here.

You're a good guy and all, but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   13:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete (#56)

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?

Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   13:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?

Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.

So what is your background and what are your credentials on this subject?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   13:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete, Nebuchadnezzar (#47)

Actually,he did. He just doesn't know it. That's why it's so funny.

LOL! Yeah, that is what I was trying to indicate. Reminds me of some sort of politician, you know, those abnormal mentalities who actually believe a few topical buzzwords and a lot of arrogant opinion is going to fool everyone.

eskimo  posted on  2009-12-20   13:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: We The People (#62)

So what is your background and what are your credentials on this subject?

My background or qualifications are irrelevant, his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here.

I'm to believe he's correct, and the US miltary is wrong?

If the M1 Garand is so superior, why does the US military reject his hypotheis?

He's the one arguing with technological progress, not me.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   13:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

My background or qualifications are irrelevant

As a consumer of weapons I'm just trying to honestly figure out who I should listen to. Pete has posted his background and credentials and they are very impressive.

It is relevant to me and absolutely relevant to this discussion.

Can I then safely assume that you have no background or credentials on this subject?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   13:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#64)

his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here.

Surely you are not inferring that our government always acts in ours or our military's best interests?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   13:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: We The People (#66) (Edited)

his contention that 50 years of service that the M-14/M1A has had with the US military, is the question here. Surely you are not inferring that our government always acts in ours or our military's best interests?

That's your response? Have you shot the M1A? Have you shot the M1 Garand? The HK91?

I have.

I'd prefer not to worry about my thumb getting ripped off by some antiquated loading system in combat conditions thank you very much.

If you're not familiar with the "disease" type into google "garand thumb".

Then get back to me.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   13:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#67)

If you'll read up-thread, I recently shot an M1, but I don't know what type it was.

I'd prefer not to worry about my thumb getting ripped off by some antiquated loading system in combat conditions thank you very much. If you're not familiar with the "disease" type into google "garand thumb".

Thanks, I will.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   13:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#67)

I admit that I know nothing about the Garand, but here's what I found in the first few minutes:

"Garand Thumb" is caused by operator failure. Garand Thumb is easily avoided with proper loading technique. Thumb on top of clip facing forward with the rest of your fingers alongside the outside of the action in front of the op handle. Push down on the clip, thump the op handle.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-20   14:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: We The People (#69)

Believe me, after the first time your thumb gets slammed by the bolt, you'll know why the US Military dropped the archaic Garand for the M-14, or the civilian version known as the M1A.

Don't waste your time on a weapon that is very particular about what ammo you feed it, remember these rifles are 50 years old or more, some going on 70, and you have to be very careful about what ammo you feed it.

Look, it's a good rifle, for WW2 standards. But that was a long time ago and you have many MODERN weapons now to choose from.

The M1A being amongst the best.

Good luck!

PS I enjoy these fights with Sneakypete. We did them back on LP!

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   14:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: We The People (#68)

If you'll read up-thread, I recently shot an M1, but I don't know what type it was.

I suspect it was an M1A, as who ever would be teaching you to shoot for the first time on an M1 Garand, would have spent some time warning you about the "Garand thumb".

Was the "M1" magazine fed? They are nice rifles, built on the Garand action, but without the drawbacks.

Take care!

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   14:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: We The People (#59)

Are you a licensed dealer Pete?

No.I closed my shop and gave up my license back in the 80's.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   15:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#60)

Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?

You don't even know enough about the history of it to understand that I'm not refuting the army or the Pentagon,and you don't even know why.

Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here.

That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?

AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's.

but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

I guess that's true if all your "experts" are 22 years old and have never carried a rifle into battle,or even shot a Garand.

You read all those magazines that exist to sell new stuff,don't you?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   16:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)

Fuck son, if I have to connect the dots for you on this, you have a lot to learn about modern combat and weaponry.

LOL! That's funny! You don't even understand the question.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   16:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#70)

Believe me, after the first time your thumb gets slammed by the bolt, you'll know why the US Military dropped the archaic Garand for the M-14, or the civilian version known as the M1A.

LOL! That's not why they adopted the M-14,and the military never has issued a M1A.

Don't waste your time on a weapon that is very particular about what ammo you feed it, remember these rifles are 50 years old or more, some going on 70, and you have to be very careful about what ammo you feed it.

Look, it's a good rifle, for WW2 standards. But that was a long time ago and you have many MODERN weapons now to choose from.

The M1A being amongst the best.

LOL! The M1A isn't even a match for the FN-FAL when it comes to battle rifles.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   16:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#74)

LOL! That's funny! You don't even understand the question.

ROTFLMAOAY!

Well if that's all I don't understand I've got an infinite amount of knowledge that you don't!

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   17:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#73)

That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?

AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's.

but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

BFD! You fix firearms.

Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile.

How old are you?

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   17:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#76)

Well if that's all I don't understand I've got an infinite amount of knowledge that you don't!

If you say so. If you don't mind sounding like a clueless fool,I don't mind letting you.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   19:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#77)

Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile.

You really are a fool.

How old are you?

Old enough that I trained with a M-14 in basic training,and was issued my first M-16 back when they were still AR-15's.

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?

I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does.

And you wonder why I think you are a fool.

If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?

No,I dropped out because the VA cut out my GI Bill payments for my tuition because I missed too many classes due to doctors appointments at the VA hospital related to my service in VN.

How come a bright young man such as YOU that knows everything there is to know about battle rifles and why the army picks them isn't in the army and either a Ranger or a SF trooper yourself? Too tough for you?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   19:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#77)

How old are you?

If you're older than sneakypete, you shouldn't be shooting (no offense, petey). Hell, You're older than Methuselah!

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?

OOooooh! That's impressive!

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-21   7:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Sarajevo (#80)

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?

OOooooh! That's impressive!

One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded.

He doesn't even realize the M-14'S came with wooden stocks until the late 60's,and that the rack grade M1A he rates so highly STILL comes with a wooden stock.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   7:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: sneakypete (#81)

One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded

These young puppies don't realize that accuracy is never outmoded, and the Garand delivered that in spades. The only shortfall the Garand ever had was an 8 round clip vs. a 20 round magazine.

If the M1 Garand is a "termite gun", I'd hate to see the termites Nubby is shooting at!

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-21   8:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Sarajevo (#82)

The only shortfall the Garand ever had was an 8 round clip vs. a 20 round magazine.

Yup. That and the weight,but it seems to me like every firearm that has been replaced because it was too heavy ended up being replaced by some other firearm that weighs almost as much. If you aren't strong enough to carry a Garand,you aren't strong enough to carry a M-16.

The lack of a detachable magazine is why the M-14 was designed. It fit the new "volume of fire" versus "accuracy of fire" philosophy the army came up with after facing the charging hordes of Chinese during the Korean War better than the Garand because accuracy wasn't really a issue when it was almost impossible to miss andthe new doctrine was to place a fully-automatic weapon in the hands of each soldier. Reloading it was also quicker and had to be done less often.

Of course,as is typical with all bureaucracies,none of the numbnuts making this decision knew anything about combat other than what they had read,and almost none of them knew the first thing about shooting. The M-14 is virtually un-controllable in full-auto fire mode,and the typical soldier would put 2 rounds near the intended target and the next 18 would be endangering birds.

This is why they ended up adopting a new doctrine that had them pulling the selector switches off of all squad M-14's except for one,and designating that guy to be the squad machinegunner.

Anybody that has ever fired a BAR,which the squad full-auto M-14 replaced,and then fired a full-auto M-14 knows THAT particular brain fart was either hysterically funny or hysterically tragic. Anybody that even THINKS the M-14 is anywhere NEAR close to being a acceptable replacement for a BAR as a squad auto weapon should be bitch-slapped until he cries.

Hell,even the SAW is a better squad auto rifle than the M-14 was,even though it's a 22 and still fires too damn fast.

The selective fire version of the FN-FAL is vastly superior to both the M-14 and the SAW,but it couldn't overcome it's only major shortcoming,it wasn't made here.

For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed.

The FN-FAL narrowly beats out the BAR for a offensive squad auto weapon,but only because it is slightly lighter and shorter. The FN-FAL can't touch a BAR when it comes to accuracy,though. Not even close. I used to know a old MSG during the VN war that had been in combat with the 82nd in WW-2 and the 187th during the Korean War as a infantryman,and his definition of idea varmit shooting conditions was being in the Delta with a BAR.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   8:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Sarajevo (#82)

These young puppies don't realize that accuracy is never outmoded, and the Garand delivered that in spades.

No kidding. I'm betting if you started handing out Garands to 1 trooper per squad to infantry units in Afghanistan,it wouldn't take long for the other guys in the squad to start offering to trade their sisters to you for one of their own.

The Garand may not have been ideally suited for jungle warfare because of it's size and the power and range of the 30/06 not being needed,but it would really shine in Afghanistan. Soldiers there would lie,cheat,and steal to get their hands on one if they could.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   8:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: sneakypete (#79)

I see. Being a school-trained gunsmith and a former SF weapons man doesn't count for shit,but having a handle on a gun board does.

So, you boast about how everyone knows you from your long years on the internet, yet you're not even on the number one board for gun enthusiasts.

I see, we'll just take that as your previous statement being a tad bit of an exaggeration then.

And you wonder why I think you are a fool.

I could care less what some college drop-out thinks of me. I, unlike you, didn't let something as paltry as "tuition" get in the way of educating myself. I worked my ass off getting my degree WHILE WORKING. No one paid a dime for my education.

You could only do it if someone else picked up the tab.

You're typical of the 60's generation. "Hey Uncle Sam, what are you going to do for me?"

I bet you voted for Clinton.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   10:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#85) (Edited)

So, you boast about how everyone knows you from your long years on the internet,

Now you're just lying. I never said everybody knows me.

yet you're not even on the number one board for gun enthusiasts.

Maybe because I went through all that before snots like you were even born,and don't need to discuss any of it? Especially not with cretins that think plastic stocks are a sign of one firearm being superior in design and function to another?

I see, we'll just take that as your previous statement being a tad bit of an exaggeration then.

It's no exaggeration at all. Don't let that bother you,though. You seem to believe in all sorts of foolish crap.

I could care less what some college drop-out thinks of me. I, unlike you, didn't let something as paltry as "tuition" get in the way of educating myself.

Do you think that MIGHT be because you weren't in and out of the VA hospital,and dealing with neurosurgeons because of physical injuries?

Not to mention being administratively dis-enrolled for missing too many classes because of those hospital appointments? How would you "work your ass off" past that one,little boy? Blow the Dean of Admissions? Or just bend over and let him have a little of that ass?

I worked my ass off getting my degree WHILE WORKING. No one paid a dime for my education.

And I EARNED my GI Bill by serving 7 years as a infantry soldier who was in combat in 3 different countries. Your "working my ass off" bullshit isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the price that I and the other veterans paid. AND we did this for such paltry pay at the time that a 7-11 employee working 40 hours a week earned more.

When I joined the army in 1964 a private was paid 67 dollars a MONTH.

You could only do it if someone else picked up the tab.

I would hurt you for that if you said it to my face,you sniveling punk! You are insulting me and every other veteran that suffered disabilities and loss of pay (not to mention educational opportunities) because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself.

You're typical of the 60's generation. "Hey Uncle Sam, what are you going to do for me?" You are not just a fool,you are a world class fool who is so bleeping ignorant AND arrogant at the same time I doubt you are even capable of learning.

I bet you voted for Clinton. Is that anything like having a handle on a internet gun board?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   11:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: sneakypete, thor (#86)

And I EARNED my GI Bill by serving 7 years as a infantry soldier who was in combat in 3 different countries. Your "working my ass off" bullshit isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the price that I and the other veterans paid.

Thank you for your service, but you still had someone else pick up the tab. And you couldn't even finish on the free ride.

And there you go again tooting your own horn. Didn't anyone tell you that was in poor taste?

And this "price I paid" crap is called,"Doing the right thing." Is it not? When you do the right thing around your home do you go around looking for a pat on the back every time you do it? "Hey, did you see me help the old lady with her groceries?"

And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs." Yet, you Viet Nam era vets never miss a chance to bring up your service and/or any "combat" you saw. Why is that?

Funny, I worked in my dad's construction business while in high school and college. Most of the guys in his business were WW2 vets. My Uncle Hank, was at the Canal then Tarawa then finally Okinawa. You never EVER heard that man boast about the shit he saw.

I'm sure though you saw much worse than going in on the first wave at Tarawa, right Sneaky?

would hurt you for that if you said it to my face,you sniveling punk! You are insulting me and every other veteran that suffered disabilities and loss of pay (not to mention educational opportunities) because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself.

Oh, I see you can dish it out but you can't take it. You can go around calling everyone a "fool", yet when someone calls you out on your weak shit you lose it.

And how is it that EVERY FUCKING VIET NAM VET I KNOW IS DISABLED. What bullshit is that? I bet you're pulling down a big, fat "disability" check ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS LIKE MYSELF.

How's my money doing? You enjoying the fruits of my labor?

Not a single VN vet I know isn't riding high on my dime.

Oh, by the way, Uncle Hank and the rest of the WW2s I knew couldn't stand you VN vets.

I wonder why that is? Why did the best generation this country ever produce have such contempt for your generation?

Was it all the pot and heroin your generation smoked/shot-up? Or the draft dodging?

You may have contempt for my generation, some of it well founded no doubt, but can you tell me why my dad's generation, the one's who really made the world safe for all of us, hate you guys so much?

because we served the country,while you lay back on your safe and protected ass and served nobody but yourself.

I may serve myself and my family, but I don't ask for a dime from anyone.

Unlike you who pulls down a fat, tax-payer check.

You didn't do any 20 year hitch. You didn't earn some pension.

Let's get this straight, I didn't ask you do to crap in VN, yet you want my money.

Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about your disability, but don't go around show-boating how rough you got it and how it kept you out of college.

I saw kids with cerebral palsy graduate from college, so unless you're at that level of disability, or worse, I'm not buying your excuse.

And thank you for your service.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   12:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#87)

And there you go again tooting your own horn. Didn't anyone tell you that was in poor taste?

I'm not tooting my own horn. I am stating how I paid my dues with concrete facts.

"Tooting my own horn" would be vague references to how I "worked my ass off to pay my tuition". For all anybody knows,that means you worked 2 hours a day at the popcorn machine at a movie theater.

And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs."

Yeah,as a matter of fact,they DID. Not only that,but the GI Bill was CREATED to benefit the WW-2 vets.

You really don't know squat about anything,do you?

Yet, you Viet Nam era vets never miss a chance to bring up your service and/or any "combat" you saw. Why is that?

To educate whiners like you that never did anything.

I'm sure though you saw much worse than going in on the first wave at Tarawa, right Sneaky?

How would you know? All you are doing is trying to ride on his back and share in the credit.

You can go around calling everyone a "fool", yet when someone calls you out on your weak shit you lose it.

That's because you ARE a clueless fool,and I'm not. If you were a car,I'd call you a car. You are a fool,so I call you a fool. Why would you expect anything different?

I bet you're pulling down a big, fat "disability" check ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS LIKE MYSELF.

I doubt the 27 dollars a week you pay in taxes for being the assistant manager at a comic book store is all that helpful,but thanks,anyhow.

Not a single VN vet I know isn't riding high on my dime.

Ok,my apologies. Your dime,not your 27 dollars.

Oh, by the way, Uncle Hank and the rest of the WW2s I knew couldn't stand you VN vets.

Not surprising. They are related to you. How smart CAN they be?

Why did the best generation this country ever produce have such contempt for your generation?

You mean the generation that voted for FDR three times,Truman after him,and then were responsible for things like turning Eastern Europe over to the Soviets,The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,the War on Poverty, and the Gun Control Act of 1968?

but can you tell me why my dad's generation, the one's who really made the world safe for all of us, hate you guys so much?

Mostly because they were as ignorant as you are now,and thought everybody that grew up in the 60's were communist hippies,instead of recognizing the FACT that the communists who were working so hard to destroy our country came from THEIR generation.

Of course,they had a excellent excuse for their ignorance. The only news outlets available in their day were the radio and the local newspapers. If you lived in a small town or even a small city,the local newspaper couldn't afford to pay AP and the other wire services for the rights to publish their news reports,so a lot of what was going on was never reported to them and they had no way of knowing about it.

People today don't have that excuse. Thanks to the internet,no politician alive can keep his or her actions hidden,and there is damn little that can't be learned about past events.

The FACT that YOU insist on believing you were right on the Garand versus M-14 issue despite having never fired or handled either one,and stand by this despite being told it was wrong by people who have done both and who used to literally earn their living handling weapons is what makes you a fool. You have the ability to learn,but you refuse to do so. You would rather take the "Group think" opinions of people with no more experience than you over the opinions of professionals. This is the sign of a fool. I didn't name you,I just identified you.

You may have contempt for my generation,

Wrong. I have contempt for YOU. I have met and know many people of your generation that I admire.

I may serve myself and my family, but I don't ask for a dime from anyone.

Still smarting and have a chip on your shoulder because you weren't smart enough to earn a scholarship,huh?

Unlike you who pulls down a fat, tax-payer check.

Your hatred for vets is based on your jealousy of them getting disability checks because they are disabled due to their military service?

You didn't do any 20 year hitch.

The reason for this is because I was on permanent medical profile when I came back from VN.

You didn't earn some pension.

Once again,you don't have a freaking clue.

I saw kids with cerebral palsy graduate from college,

And I've seen sports stars and others graduate from college that couldn't read and write,and I see YOU bragging about being a college graduate,and you are entirely lacking the ability to reason.

Hell,both Boy Jorge and Barack Obama have advanced degrees from elite colleges. I seriously doubt you can match either of them when it comes to the college attended or the degrees reached.

In other words,you may want to rethink bragging about getting a college degree as some sort of major accomplishment. Anybody with a pulse that has the money to pay the tuition can get a college degree today.

so unless you're at that level of disability, or worse, I'm not buying your excuse.

I don't need your approval,and I understand your hatred is based on jealousy and ignorance.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   12:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: sneakypete (#88)

And my dad and his WW2 buddies didn't go around with a sign on their back saying,"Hey, look at us, we saved the world from the Japs."

Yeah,as a matter of fact,they DID. Not only that,but the GI Bill was CREATED to benefit the WW-2 vets.

Lies. They did not. The GI bill, a government hand-out which I take it you were more than willing to accept, was created not by my dad's generation, but by the one above his.

I take it history wasn't your strong point in school?

That's because you ARE a clueless fool,and I'm not. If you were a car,I'd call you a car. You are a fool,so I call you a fool. Why would you expect anything different?

Typical cry-baby Viet Nam vet. He can run people down 24/7 yet when they stand up to him and inform him that yes, his shit does stink like everyone else's, they bitch and whine. I'm not saying I know everying in life, but I don't get my panties in a ball like you do when someone calls you on your idiotic statements.

And I've seen sports stars and others graduate from college that couldn't read and write,and I see YOU bragging about being a college graduate,and you are entirely lacking the ability to reason.

Hell,both Boy Jorge and Barack Obama have advanced degrees from elite colleges. I seriously doubt you can match either of them when it comes to the college attended or the degrees reached.

Wow, you really fucked yourself good with this comment. First you want to go to college, then drop-out. Now you go around smack-talking college educated people as if they are dunder-heads.

So what is it? Did you drop out because of some pinched nerve or you had no use for college like all the "idiots" who graduated from college.

You know what I think? I think you resent the fact you couldn't hack it with the books and have a major case of the ass over your inability to measure up to what society says is "smart."

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   16:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete (#81)

I guess you've never been in a gunstore and seen that M1As come with synthetic stocks.

What a tool you are. I wouldn't go around shooting my mouth off about how much I know about weapons when you're obviously not playing with a full deck.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   16:33:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: sneakypete (#83)

For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed.

Right, 20 rounds. Ignoramous.

It's obvious your so friggen ignorant of moder weapons it's laughable.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   16:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#89)

You know what I think?

You fookin idiot, you are incapable of thinking!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-21   16:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: sneakypete (#88)

Having used both the M-1 and the M-14, I agree with your assessment of the M-1.

I was standing in the The Cody Firearms Museum looking at what I believed to me an M-14 (from the 20 round detachable magazine hanging out of it), but when I looked at the fore end, it was the M-1 gas system.

Turned out to be one of the prototypes of the M-14. A modified M-1.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-21   17:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#89)

Lies. They did not. The GI bill, a government hand-out which I take it you were more than willing to accept, was created not by my dad's generation, but by the one above his.

It was created FOR his generation,and they were more than happy to take it.

but I don't get my panties in a ball like you do when someone calls you on your idiotic statements.

ROFLMAO! Yeah,as your last dozen or so posts prove,all because I told you a Garand is a better rifle than a M1A. I'm guessing you saved your pennies and are the proud owner of a M1A,and that's what set you off.

Now you go around smack-talking college educated people as if they are dunder-heads.

I admit I used to,but then I ran into you and your superb analytical skills and reasoning ability,and had to change my mind.

Tell me,what community college did you graduate from? Degree in art history?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   19:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#90)

I guess you've never been in a gunstore and seen that M1As come with synthetic stocks.

I guess you don't know how to read or comprehend what you did read,because I clearly stated that M-14's came with wooden stocks until the late 602's,and match grade M1A's from Springfield Armory still come with wooden stocks.

I wouldn't go around shooting my mouth off about how much I know about weapons when you're obviously not playing with a full deck.

That's what you have been doing this whole thread.

Maybe you better go back to gun list and talk about action movies with the rest of the teens?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   19:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#91)

For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed.

Right, 20 rounds. Ignoramous.

It's obvious your so friggen ignorant of moder weapons it's laughable.

It's not bad enough to be stupid,you seem to INSIST on bragging about it with every post.

What's a beltfed,numbnuts? How many rounds do they hold?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   19:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: sneakypete, thor (#94)

Now you go around smack-talking college educated people as if they are dunder-heads.

I admit I used to,but then I ran into you and your superb analytical skills and reasoning ability,and had to change my mind.

Tell me,what community college did you graduate from? Degree in art history?

Physics. Something you could never comprehend in your sad, disabled little life.

It must really suck walking around life hating everyone who accomplished what you couldn't.

Knowing how small minded you are, and you're probably typing from wheel-chair with the American flag drapped around it with a headband, a beard and long hair, I'll conceed the point that the Garand is the best rifle ever.

For all your constant, never ending complaining, this is how I'll always see you:

Happy?

Man it must rock to have people pitty you. Typical of the Viet Nam generation.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   19:41:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#97)

It must really suck walking around life hating everyone who accomplished what you couldn't.

Yeah,but the good news is that thanks to Boy Jorge and Bubba Barry there is still a war going on,and it's not too late for you to enlist.

Proving,of course that you have the balls.

Knowing how small minded you are, and you're probably typing from wheel-chair with the American flag drapped around it with a headband, a beard and long hair,

You really are a small-minded pissy little pussy,ain't you? You post a photo of a legless wounded veteran in a wheelchair to ridicule and call him and others like him losers who are somehow less than YOU,a mama's boy who has never done shit but run your mouth and hide behind a door?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   20:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: sneakypete (#98)

You really are a small-minded pissy little pussy,ain't you? You post a photo of a legless wounded veteran in a wheelchair to ridicule and call him and others like him losers who are somehow less than YOU,a mama's boy who has never done shit but run your mouth and hide behind a door?

I'm ridiculing you, dropout.

Can you tell the difference?

Kind of hard to be a momma's boy given my mom died when I was five, jerk.

Still want some more though? Because I felt sorry for you, you had it so rough, unlike every other person alive.

Just keep posting dropout, we can do this all day and all night.

Then again, given you're stuck in your basement in your wheel chair, pissed off at the world with your peace symbol headband, I guess you have nothing better to do.

But you know what pisses you off? What I have to say pisses you off. Yet you can't stand to put me on ignore.

Why? Because I tell you the truth, a truth you have to hear, but are devestated to hear.

I piss on you, dropout.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   21:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: sneakypete (#96)

It's not bad enough to be stupid,you seem to INSIST on bragging about it with every post.

What's a beltfed,numbnuts? How many rounds do they hold?

Ha! Listen, gimp, if I want any lip from you I'll rattle my zipper. Got that?

A friggin MG-42 is a belt-fed, retard.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-21   21:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#99)

I'm ridiculing you, dropout.

Since I have both my legs and I am not in a wheelchair,you are ridiculing those who are,not me.

Kind of hard to be a momma's boy given my mom died when I was five, jerk.

Suicide due to shame for not smothering you at birth? Who can blame her?

Then again, given you're stuck in your basement in your wheel chair,

I'm not in a wheelchair,but I have friends that are,and I can only hope you end up living in one yourself.

pissed off at the world with your peace symbol headband, I guess you have nothing better to do.

LOL! Well,I guess I could go over to the gun board and pretend to be a yuppie commando like all the other teens.

Why? Because I tell you the truth, a truth you have to hear, but are devestated to hear.

You have no idea what the truth is about anything. You live in a fantasy world where you cower in your apartment,fondle your M1A,and tell yourself over and over "I am smart and fearless,and dammit,people REALLY do like me!" Al Franken probably used you as a model for this Stuart Smiley character.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-22   8:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#100)

Ha! Listen, gimp, if I want any lip from you I'll rattle my zipper. Got that?

Yeah,you are just one more internet poser,pretending to be tough and smart. I got that. Everybody here has got that by now.

A friggin MG-42 is a belt-fed, retard.

Look it up? Your little friends on the gun board tell you that?

You didn't seem to know the difference between a rifle and a beltfed in post 91

BTW,college graduate,in only 16 words including numbers,you managed to misspell 2.

Maybe you misspelled "physics" too,and mean to write you have a degree in "psychotics"?

#91. To: sneakypete (#83)

For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed.

Right, 20 rounds. Ignoramous.

It's obvious your so friggen ignorant of moder weapons it's laughable.

Nebuchadnezzar posted on 2009-12-21 16:34:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-22   8:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: sneakypete (#98)

....there is still a war going on,and it's not too late for you to enlist.

Nubbity-numb-nutz?

Enlist?

That's a laugh!

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-22   8:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Sarajevo (#103)

Nubbity-numb-nutz?

Enlist?

That's a laugh!

That's true. He's too smart,and people really DO like him.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-22   9:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: sneakypete (#84)

No kidding. I'm betting if you started handing out Garands to 1 trooper per squad to infantry units in Afghanistan,it wouldn't take long for the other guys in the squad to start offering to trade their sisters to you for one of their own.

The Garand may not have been ideally suited for jungle warfare because of it's size and the power and range of the 30/06 not being needed,but it would really shine in Afghanistan. Soldiers there would lie,cheat,and steal to get their hands on one if they could.

Oh yeah. Give me an M-1, then a FAL. Oh wait, I already have a FAL. For the same reason the specops guys who can choose their weapons go with 1911's and M-14's. New isn't always better. They probably go with M-14's because they can't get M-1's.

Hey I have an idea!! Buy a couple Garands from the CMP and put them in a care package to a sniper or designated marksman in Afghanistan. Include a couple hundred rounds at least. Christmas!!

echo5sierra  posted on  2009-12-22   12:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: echo5sierra (#105)

Hey I have an idea!! Buy a couple Garands from the CMP and put them in a care package to a sniper or designated marksman in Afghanistan. Include a couple hundred rounds at least. Christmas!!

It would be a Merry Christmas indeed if he one of them got it and you didn't go to federal prison for sending it to them.

The M-16 and the .223 were ideal for jungle warfare,but in the wide open spaces of Afghanistan the line troops need something that will reach out further and hit harder.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-22   17:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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