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Title: Rider Passed Protecting Military Firearms, Ammunition, and Components
Source: NRA/ILA
URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5258
Published: Dec 19, 2009
Author: unknown
Post Date: 2009-12-19 10:35:03 by sneakypete
Keywords: Surplus guns, Surplus ammo
Views: 43534
Comments: 106

With the holiday season upon us, and the end of the year fast approaching, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 3326—the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2010. With the passage of this bill, NRA-ILA wraps up its appropriations work for the year.

Our efforts on the huge spending bill were rewarded with the restoration of a longstanding rider to protect M-1 carbines, M-1 Garands, M-14s, .22 caliber rifles, and others from being destroyed.

This language also includes a prohibition on the destruction of small arms ammunition and components, and a response to the short-lived concern over destruction of spent brass casings earlier this year.

Section 8019 of the bill reads: "None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use."

NRA-ILA would like to thank U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) for his help in getting the rider restored and expanded.

To read the full bill, please click here.

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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)

Think I'll go to the range again this weekend.

Last week I met the firearms instructor for my city's police dept. there. He was there with his grandson. He had some very nice gear and invited me to fire all I wanted. I declined at first but he said, "Never turn down the chance to fire another man's ammo". LOL!

He pulled out some AK's, some AR's, an SKS, an M1, and several side arms.

I had this with me http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm and he wanted to fire it. After he fired it he said he HAD to have one.

A very nice guy. Very pro 2nd amendment.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-19   10:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: We The People (#1)

an M1

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   11:19:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#3)

A M-1 as in "Garand"?

Be still my beating heart! Those things were mass-issue target rifles. I love em,love em,love em! I'd take one in a heartbeat over ANY issue battle rifle of today.

Over a M-1A? Over a PTR-91? Over a Vector Arm RPK-74?

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   12:55:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#15)

I'm of the opinion that all those rifles above are far superior to the Garand.

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

eskimo  posted on  2009-12-19   14:26:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: eskimo (#17)

LOL! In what way are those "far superior" to the Garand? Other than magazine capacity, I see nothing "far superior" as far as ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, reliability, etc. are concerned.

M1 Garand = termite gun.

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   16:20:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Nebuchadnezzar, , *Humor* (#19)

M1 Garand = termite gun.

Shit, a Russian SKS is a better rifle and will take all sorts of ammo, unlike the finique Garand.

ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.

When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-19   18:54:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#27)

ROFLMAO! Ok,that one earns you a humor ping.

When you write stuff like that,you deserve to have people laugh at you.

Well I'm still laughing over your laughable comments on the termite gun, aka Garand.

Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-19   19:05:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#31)

Looks like we both are having a good laugh today.

LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   9:32:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#46) (Edited)

LOL! I guess! The only difference is only one of understands the issue.

Right!

And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead.

Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A?

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   11:30:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#53)

And you don't realize that the US Army DUMPED the M1 for the M-14, but we'll stick with the M1A instead.

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

There are several people on this board who are qualified to debate this subject with me,but you ain't one of them.

Tell me, Mr. Expert, how is the M1 Garand "superior" to the M-14 or M1A?

You mean other than fit,finish,reliability,range,and accuracy?

And, since the M-14 first entered service in 1959, that would make it's tenure in the US Military some 50 years.

Ok,and that is supposed to indicate what?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   12:43:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#56)

You DO realize you are trying to debate military weapons with a former career US Army SF weapons NCO,right?

Not to mention a school trained gunsmith who has built custom rifles and even created his own wildcat round?

Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?

Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here.

You're a good guy and all, but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   13:07:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#60)

Hmmm...well if you can see fit to refute the entire US Army and the brass in the Pentagon, why not?

You don't even know enough about the history of it to understand that I'm not refuting the army or the Pentagon,and you don't even know why.

Secondly, you look pathetic blowing your own horn here.

That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?

AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's.

but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

I guess that's true if all your "experts" are 22 years old and have never carried a rifle into battle,or even shot a Garand.

You read all those magazines that exist to sell new stuff,don't you?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-20   16:02:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#73)

That's your response to telling me I didn't know what I was talking about,and then me giving you my credentials to prove I did in order to maybe prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have?

AND,I am not really blowing my own horn because there are more than a few people here who already knew my history,and have known me from other web sites since the late 90's.

but your in a definate minority of firearms "experts", if I may use that term, when it comes to the Garand and how it performs w/r/t modern rifles.

BFD! You fix firearms.

Your ignorance of modern-day battle rifles only shows you don't know your trade well. Anyone who doesn't know that the M1A is better than a termite rifle like the Garand can't know much about firearms...or he's so old he's senile.

How old are you?

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty? If I remember correctly you dropped out of college? Too tough for you?

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-20   17:33:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#77)

How old are you?

If you're older than sneakypete, you shouldn't be shooting (no offense, petey). Hell, You're older than Methuselah!

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?

OOooooh! That's impressive!

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-21   7:33:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Sarajevo (#80)

What's your handle at Gunboards.com smarty?

OOooooh! That's impressive!

One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded.

He doesn't even realize the M-14'S came with wooden stocks until the late 60's,and that the rack grade M1A he rates so highly STILL comes with a wooden stock.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21   7:52:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: sneakypete (#81)

One that that is so funny about this is he keeps referring to the Garand as a "termite gun" because it has a wooden stock,and that seems to be the prime reason he thinks it's outmoded

These young puppies don't realize that accuracy is never outmoded, and the Garand delivered that in spades. The only shortfall the Garand ever had was an 8 round clip vs. a 20 round magazine.

If the M1 Garand is a "termite gun", I'd hate to see the termites Nubby is shooting at!

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-21   8:15:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#83. To: Sarajevo (#82)

The only shortfall the Garand ever had was an 8 round clip vs. a 20 round magazine.

Yup. That and the weight,but it seems to me like every firearm that has been replaced because it was too heavy ended up being replaced by some other firearm that weighs almost as much. If you aren't strong enough to carry a Garand,you aren't strong enough to carry a M-16.

The lack of a detachable magazine is why the M-14 was designed. It fit the new "volume of fire" versus "accuracy of fire" philosophy the army came up with after facing the charging hordes of Chinese during the Korean War better than the Garand because accuracy wasn't really a issue when it was almost impossible to miss andthe new doctrine was to place a fully-automatic weapon in the hands of each soldier. Reloading it was also quicker and had to be done less often.

Of course,as is typical with all bureaucracies,none of the numbnuts making this decision knew anything about combat other than what they had read,and almost none of them knew the first thing about shooting. The M-14 is virtually un-controllable in full-auto fire mode,and the typical soldier would put 2 rounds near the intended target and the next 18 would be endangering birds.

This is why they ended up adopting a new doctrine that had them pulling the selector switches off of all squad M-14's except for one,and designating that guy to be the squad machinegunner.

Anybody that has ever fired a BAR,which the squad full-auto M-14 replaced,and then fired a full-auto M-14 knows THAT particular brain fart was either hysterically funny or hysterically tragic. Anybody that even THINKS the M-14 is anywhere NEAR close to being a acceptable replacement for a BAR as a squad auto weapon should be bitch-slapped until he cries.

Hell,even the SAW is a better squad auto rifle than the M-14 was,even though it's a 22 and still fires too damn fast.

The selective fire version of the FN-FAL is vastly superior to both the M-14 and the SAW,but it couldn't overcome it's only major shortcoming,it wasn't made here.

For fighting from a defensive position,you just can't beat a BAR when it comes to rifles,period. The next step up is a beltfed.

The FN-FAL narrowly beats out the BAR for a offensive squad auto weapon,but only because it is slightly lighter and shorter. The FN-FAL can't touch a BAR when it comes to accuracy,though. Not even close. I used to know a old MSG during the VN war that had been in combat with the 82nd in WW-2 and the 187th during the Korean War as a infantryman,and his definition of idea varmit shooting conditions was being in the Delta with a BAR.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21 08:45:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Sarajevo (#82)

These young puppies don't realize that accuracy is never outmoded, and the Garand delivered that in spades.

No kidding. I'm betting if you started handing out Garands to 1 trooper per squad to infantry units in Afghanistan,it wouldn't take long for the other guys in the squad to start offering to trade their sisters to you for one of their own.

The Garand may not have been ideally suited for jungle warfare because of it's size and the power and range of the 30/06 not being needed,but it would really shine in Afghanistan. Soldiers there would lie,cheat,and steal to get their hands on one if they could.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-21 08:49:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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